That's a very good question. I think there is an innate power in womanhood that can never be taken away, and working together, we can accomplish incredible things. We may not be formally recognized for those things but they still happen, have always happened, on the daily.
There are rights, the free exercise of, people with more money and resources have kept oppressed people from enjoying. But at some point, compassion seems to win when people begin to fully understand what the oppression is doing to the oppressed.
Women have rights and power because they deserve it no less than men. Men are physically stronger, so if they all colectively decided to turn against women, can't say it wouldn't create any problems for us, but freedom is a pretty good incentive I think. Especially in the current state of the western world, it's hard to imagine that happening.
I'm gonna kick your ass, Gene, if it comes to that. 😎
I’m going to stay at home then, I don’t want my ass kicked...
Yes ma’am.
Aristophanes wrote a play called Lysetrata in 411 B. C. E. In order to force their men to end a terrible war, they go on a sex strike. The war is soon over. Don't ever underestimate the persuasive power of pussy. There is an old expression: "If Mama 'ain't happy, nobody is happy" Women have ways to let you know they are displeased and 10,000 ways to make you miserable until you comply https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata
@Devon_Ten Interesting question. That's why the ancient Greeks were so fascinating. They actually considered it. In the play (which was a comedy, quite bawdy) the women succeed in getting their will (as they usually do on a personal level when they play that card)
yes. considering the overwhelming amount of men in power it seems clear that rights afforded to women (like any minority) are at the behest of the majority in power.
if men in power opted to rescind those rights they could easily do so with a few bills and a vote
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It's because of men that women here in the West have power, and the reason is very simple.
Violence, as much as we're taught to abhor it, is necessary to maintain order. All laws are back by violence, every single one. If they weren't they'd just be words and people asked to follow those rules would ask "or else what?". The answer to or else what in the end is always violence. Sure, there might be lesser punishments for certain crimes for example fines - but then again if you don't accept those lesser punishments, you don't want to go to jail and you resist arrest, men with guns and batons are gonna drag you there kicking and screaming.
Men are the ones who are the most capable of violence. Sure, women can use guns, but the majority of cops, soldiers, gun enthusiasts in general are men. They can't compete there. Nor can they compete physically.
Men should protect women, but that is the only reason they have power an rights. In places where men decide that women don't deserve rights such as certain places in the middle east, women have no power.
In the West their main source of power against men is sex as some girls have said they'd stop fucking - in some places women get raped and then stoned to death as punishment, and they're powerless to stop it. Over here, they'd be protect mostly by male police officers. That's the only reason that would work here - it would be back up by men. Men enforce laws that protect your rights.
I want to be able to say no, that women got to where they are by themselves but it's not the case. Women have power because men allow it and there's one simple reason for that. Physiology. Whenever there is a dispute, humans will first try resolving it with words and then if that fails we do what any animal does to establish superiority... we fight and honestly it would be a slaughter rather than a war because even though the majority of the population is female, men have superior physiology's and we're genetically programmed to be inhumanely violent when we need to be. Luckily, we're also genetically programmed through years of evolution to keep women safe and that's why we like seeing them happy which is why we gave them rights and power in the first place.
Saying that, for the first time in human history we're seeing that women are rising by themselves from the pedestal we've given them, turning on men and even openly saying they don't need us. This is dangerous because as a direct result of this we have a group of men, just as large as feminism and growing at the same rate that believe we should take this power back which we could as easily as we gave it. Fortunately, the vast majority of women aren't these "Feminazi's" so this is still very very far off but unlike others who are responding, I think it could be a reality in the future.
hi and it makes me feel like growling the first sentence is even to this day still true i feel, going back to the suffragettes, they really kicked off their campaign in 1903 and only in 1918 were women over 30 with property inheritance rights given the vote... after years and years of protesting to amazing lengths and suffering terrible traumas in prison at that time only after womens roles during the first world war in fact seemed to force the men that governed to give some rights to women. i still find it absolutely enraging and when women today do not use their vote despite even if you are not in favour of the parties likely to win you can vote to make a point... the documentary link below tells of quite a tale of what these women went through over a hundred years ago... xx
https://www.BBC.co.uk/programmes/b0b5y4zg
I couldn’t imagine anything backfiring as hard as that, I can imagine an entire country of women turning against men and becoming serial killers.
But no, that couldn’t happen. Men would not be able to take away our rights because at the end of the day women have the upper hand because we already have rights, men are also obsessed with women and sex (evolutionary reasons for reproduction) so we are superior to men in that sense. Men want women, women want families. If men tried to take away our rights, we’d become violent and aggressive towards men knowing they are not superior than us. That’d remove their ability to find sex and reproduce, thus we’d have the upper hand. They’d have to reinstate our rights, but would women ever forgive men? No. I imagine women might become the dominant gender from how ruthless and callous we can be, compared to males, I doubt a lot of men these days would agree with women losing their rights too or would back out knowing women would not accept it.
*compared to males in relation to the history of serial killers.
I've been saying this exact same thing for years...
Men live for sex... It's the most important thing in our life.
Unless rape is a legal and acceptable form of acquiring sex, women will always have the upper hand in power dynamic being able to trade for sex... Think about it... How many meals or drinks has a guy paid for because they are investing in potential sex? ... Women want commitment, security, companionship, the and resources from a man... While Men mostly just want to bang...
Do you see how hard a man has to work to get two minutes of satisfaction 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂✌️?
it's been this way for millenia with men dominating the workplaces and women exchanging sex for the goods and resources acquired by man. Now women are almost equals at work, and simultaneously still hold such a strong power over men due to their desperate need/yearning for regular sex
Exactly, it’s bizarre isn’t it. What went wrong with male evolution? Haha. If it involves women and sex or nudity men light up like a Christmas tree but women are like “How pointless”, it’s so primitive and it’s almost sad to see. If I could fix it, I would lol I don’t agree with using that side of males to their advantage but we may as well use you at the same time, I dunno haha
Hope you had fun lol
I wish I had said “it work because women have bigger dick energy than men”
The massive elephant in the room is women's sexual powers.
Men want to sleep with women more than women want to sleep with men. Much more. Which creates a massive power imbalance that is rarely acknowledged.
People talk about "toxic masculinity", but the only reason these guys still exist is because women chose to mate with "toxic" men and pass on their genes. Behind every domineering asshole is a bunch of women vying for his attention.
So yeah, I think women are a hell of a lot more powerful than feminists want to admit.
nope. men are not god. human rights are inalienable they can neither be granted nor taken away. you can obstruct them and get in the way, but history shows us when you get in the way of peoples human rights they get in your way and when necessary get rid of you.
people fight wars and die defending their rights. its not like confiscating property.
@Volvagia What would your attempt look like?
Wouldn't a guy just be able to overpower you, restrain you, and throw you in jail before your re-education starts and you're heavily medicated into a zombie-like state as you're appointed to be some man's servant and sex slave?
I'm not saying I want any of this by the way, I'm just supporting the point that women are free because men don't want to enslave them.
@Celtero you missed my point entirely, I'm saying that I would literally kill myself than be subjected to that primitive backwards ass treatment. Women are free because - like men - we are human beings, it's our right. (shocking I know)
I'm not saying men don't have the strength to enslave women, they most likely do. I'm just arguing that it would be inhumane to do so and a regression in modern civilization
@Volvagia I agree with the last part.
Okay, so you'd kill yourself before being enslaved, and I'm sure a lot of women would. But there would still be some left, and humanity would prevail as dystopian as it would be.
Plus, I think the concept of human rights is a fallacy. Our freedoms are privileges granted to us by whatever entity is powerful enough to take them away.
no women have power and rights because as human beings, we are equally deserving of these rights on par with men. To take those rights away would be barbaric
Possibly but I think 52% of the population is female so maybe we could take away men's rights and power in a reverse handmaids tale and just use you guys for breeding, fighting wars, manual labor and opening pickle jars. I actually think a lot of guys would volunteer for that lol
Your basically describing most middle eastern countries and I don't think most men woupd stand for it.
Have you seen the show "the handmaid's tail"? That is exactly the question posed in it. A totalitarian extremist group takes over the u. s. making men the only ones with power and enslaves all women into different groups for breeding, maids, cooking whatever. They aren't even allowed to read.
In an absolute anarchy, yes, men can take away the rights and put women into submission. The only equalizer would be guns but many women aren’t interested in guns. This is due to the strength of men and the ability of men to be creative thinkers, generally.
For example, many French women became prostitutes and cozied up to the Nazis during their occupation. Under dire duress, women will fall in line.
I think its something that can never be confirmed or disproven. I think if women are not holding as much political power as men and are holding less resources than men, then women are at the mercy of men's decisions regarding womens rights. Some people I think dont realize how much that factors into the freedom of any group... how much resources and political power is already existing for the said group.
Of course men could take the rights of women away. But then the United States would not be a democracy. We would be like Iran or Saudi Arabia. We would be a dictatorship.
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I was going yo say Yes! Absolutely! But the truth is... men are just scared of the consequences that will rise if they were to take away our rights. People in general are more violent nowadays. Any group with a legit cause would happily turn homicidal in 2.5 seconds😂
"men are just scared of the consequences that will rise if they were to take away our rights."
Uhm... Are you sure about that?
I mean... There's only one way to find out.
" People in general are more violent nowadays."
LULWUT?
We are living the most peaceful time in human history.
And why do you think women having certain rights have any kind of effect on the level of violence in society?
The reason why men in power decided to give women certain powers, and create equal opportunity, is because they values consistency and didn't tolerate double standards and oppression. Not because they were affraid of women standing up for themselves.
On second thought, that would probably be the shortest large scale war in human history.
Wrong. Suffrage was considered ever since universal voting right was given to all races. It was just hard to implement due to backlash. Suffragettes and protests had NOTHING to do with it, if anything, zhey hindered the whole thing.
I am a little drunk, so I'll be honest: if men wanted to take away your right to vote - they absolutely could. Women would be crushed like a bug. No offense, but this is the truth.
I know you take the offense if you want to, I meant that I don't WANT to offend you.
And don't count on that. A trained dog doesn't bite - says the trainer. But if you poke it with a stick one too many times, it WILL bite. So you know... Maybe the less you poke that dog, the smaller the chance it will bite.
If we never let women Vote they would have no power. They were granted rights because politicians wanted their votes. Look at the court system women are favored in courts because the gov still feels like they are vulnerable. Child support alimony custody and they’re given shorter jail time for the same crimes. It’s all about votes. Look at places that don’t have democratic governments or some that do. Middle East, Africa, and Asia. They don’t say shit over there because they’ll be punished, beaten or raped.
Men just beat women into submission until women started to know their own strength. It can't go back to the way it was anymore.
Yes and no. Men did give women the power to vote they had the power to take in away in the 1920s. now I don’t think that’s the case. If they tried there would be a shit storm agents the government from both men and women (least when it comes to the citizens) On both sides of the political spectrum most Republicans do support women’s right to vote the place you might see men wanting to get rid of that right in the south
Well, since mainly men are in power in a lot of places that has some technical truth to it.. Although there have been and are women in power.. And it would sit well, and cause all types of problems maybe even a war unless they decided to go full on dictator type ish.. Even then.. That's just like sayin Minorities have power and rights because "White" people allow it..
All depends on your view of rights. Do you believe rights are inherent? Or do you believe all rights are bestowed into you by the powers at be? Namely the government.
If your belief is category 2, then you probably believe women only have rights because men say they do. But that's also the mindset that says black people only have a right to freedom, because white people say we do. Vs is innately having the right to be free.
It depends on whether they rally a group effort or not.
If women try and fight it alone. They will fall quickly.
If women try and fight back collectively. And intelligently. They could have the whole of humanity at their beckoned call within 24 hours. And no man would even have a clue.
It simply depends on what the women do in fighting back. If they strategize they can always win. But if they don't they will always lose. Simple.
Not really, even tho men have more guns & physical strength, women are half our society.. plus, men aren't interested to take women's rights. I don't want a "housewife" girlfriend. Quite the opposite, I wish there were more smart and ambitious girls. Cause I want a partner I can truly connect with, instead of a babyfactory/kitchen.
We like girls. And want them to be educated and free.
You just couldn't convince the majority of men to use their strength to oppress girls. If you tell someone to make his girlfriend loose some rights by force, you're more likely to get a bullet between your eyes yourself.
So I don't think that our society could ever turn into this second grade boys vs girls be.
I’m not sure what you mean by power but there is some truth to saying that women have rights because men allowed it. Can’t just take it way though.
Personally, I've seen what women can do and are capable of. Men like to think they are superior because of physical strength and a different line of thinking. However I have researched this subject in college and there have been native American tribes where it was female do mo inant and men were used for hunting. Building and that sort of thing. But women ran everything else.
It's a question of individual ability not so much as any one sex "allowes" women to have rights.
you effing idiot, pick up a history book.
Modern western women only have rights/equality nowadays because of the suffrage/feminist movement which succeeded because men capitulated to women's stipulations, hence men allowed women their rights/power and men relinquished their unilateral socio-political and cultural supremacy
It happens all the time in every rape for example. It's such a portly framed question there isn't anywhere I can think to begin aside from saying that it comes off as very chauvinist and sexist. Like what kind of misogynistic distopia are you fantasizing abiut here?
Men gave women political rights because women can think, and working manual labor in the industrial age was too difficult for most women. If we want to take women's rights away we'd have to erase the history of women's rights and take full care of our women.
Honestly, yeah, I believe men allow women to have rights. They're sweethearts like that. And no, I don't believe women could do anything about it if these rights were taken away. It's a man's world. Always has been, always will be.
1. No. 2. Men can't take women rights and power away because women are the ones who build a society. The patriarchy is literally built by women for women. That's why they can make more money then their ex's and he still has to pay alimony. Women used to not vote because then didn't want to think about it. Etc. Men will do anything for pussy, which is why women are the ones who have the power.
Men just happen to set up the system when physical strength was the main reason. Things are changing now so they would never be able to take women's rights away now
Yes it did just *happen* that strength was the most important factor back in the day, but that's not something that men set up, that was what nature set up. Women also played their part as well. Your ability to distinguish many more shades of red was helpful when selecting which berries were appropriate to eat and avoiding poisounous ones.
And yes, if men collectively decided to take women's rights away, your ability to stop us would be an annoyance at best. Even with guns, I'll take an 8 man squad over an 8 woman squad any day. When it comes to conflict, it's engrained in our DNA.
But of course that only happens if men collectively agree to stop giving you rights. There's really no reason why that would ever happen, so you're free to continue enjoying the benefits of living under "The patriarchy." You're welcome, go follow your dreams and have a happy and fulfilled life.
@ThatPersonOverThere An annoyance? Last i checked women are achieving education at a much higher rate than men now. I don't think your patriarchy is going to exist much longer. You sound pretty hurt about that.
And what do you think a gender studies degree is going to accomplish in a conflict?
And yes, you're graduating at higher rates because men pushed you into it and set up the system in your favor. We literally had to, because an unlevel playing field is the only way you can succeed. Hell look at how many women's only scholarships and women's only grants there are. Who do you think is giving those to you?
What do you think exactly happened in the last generation to cause that shift? Do you actually believe that women just magically became smarter? Of course not, the men in power changed the game so you could compete. One would think you would be grateful yet women only complain more.
I really hope that women do continue to complain. Each ungrateful cunt brings us closer to collectively realizing as men what a mistake it was to give you so much, and then maybe...*maybe* we can reverse this before our country gets destroyed.
@ThatPersonOverThere Why do you feel this way about women? You're really adamant about these feelings, so what is the source, really? A lot of men couldn't care less about them vs. women. Why do you? Is it because you're single and feel like women are not interested in you as a partner? Is your ego so fragile? What are women doing to destroy this country? Because *some* men are doing just fine on their own on that.
@FirstWestbrook
You’ve just been presented with a good set of arguments and alluding to @ThatPersonOverThere’s status as possibly being single and not be attractive to women, is something a lot of individuals resort to when they do not have something intelligent to say. They start questioning the intentions of the person giving the sound arguments, as being from hate or bitterness, in this case, hate and bitterness for women. Do you have anything intelligent to say to the arguments presented to you, or are you going to say that because this man is single is the sole reason why he is arguing this way?
That was just one single hypothetical question of several asked. You ignored the others. Clearly you were triggered by that. He can say no, that's not the reason. That's fine. I want him to support his answers.
Do YOU have any intelligent answers? Because you clearly didn't answer anything I asked.
I’m the one who asked the question... I even said that I do not know fully what this topic entails in my above post so that’s why I want people to give their opinion on it. I’ve heard some arguments from various sources on this issue, but never really gone into it in depth. I’ve heard what @ThatPersonOverThere’s arguments from other sources, so I was familiar with them when I saw it. The only issue I have is that YOU, stated that perhaps it’s because this man is single and unattractive to women that he is arguing this way. This is after you’ve been presented with information that you could not respond to adequately. Again, do you have anything worthwhile to say about the information he has presented?
Just be aware what your original post was.
You said that men *Set up* a system where strength was the relevant factor. This is false. That was nature's system.
The current system where strength is not the relevant factor, is in fact the artificial and unnatural one that man *Set up*.
Men set that up for you. We changed the rules so that you could thrive despite not being as physically capable. Yet as much as men have done to give women a leg up, zero thanks. No appreciation.
We set up a system to mitigate your natural disadvantages, and rather than being grateful that we loved you enough to do so, somehow you've come to the conclusion that we did so in order to oppress you. That a system where women actually have a fighting chance where one didn't exist before... was somehow set up to favor men.
That's why I get upset. Because with all that men have sacrificed for women, you all then sit there and have the nerve to act like we're oppressing you. Go live a happy life. You're welcome.
It's alright man. Anytime somebody makes a person attack rather than sticking to the argument, it's general best policy to ignore it.
This is a heated issue for certain. Like I said, the current system is the one men set up to Give women the ability to succeed. This didn't naturally exist. Men altered the rules and tilted the playing field. I don't mind that women are able to succeed, but it would be nice to hear them give thanks instead of complaining every once in a while...
@ThatPersonOverThere @PoliceLivesMatter Forgive me if I dont automatically believe men are benevolent benefactors. I'm so thankful you allow up to survive. But this is really some chicken and egg type argument. One doesn't exist without the other.
You want talk about need for scholarships and grants? Well when history has encouraged men to be better, it's a natural outcome. Minorities get scholarships too. Are they naturally less able? Or is it that they haven't had the same advantages?
Comments like "Even with guns, I'll take an 8 man squad over an 8 woman squad any day" are so generalist. There are plenty of men who wouldn't compete at the level some women can.
And comments like "Each ungrateful cunt" implies we dont even really deserve rights. You aren't calling the weakest of men that. Why single out women as a whole?
And for all our "natural disadvantages", why even let us live? If we're just so inferior to men, that is
of course trump is slowly taking away women's rights piece by piece until there's nothing left
according to last years news reports
it's true
@Skullcap16 Which of their *Rights* have been taken away?
I actually don't follow politics much, so I really am asking.
I will say in advance that being able to avoid the consequences of your actions is not a *Right* and shouldn't be treated like such. People are allowed to choose their actions, but not the consequences of those actions.
@ThatPersonOverThere I'm not saying women should be able to. Why do you ignore my other questions?
That was clearly marked as a reply to Skullcap correct?
I've made my position clear. The world in which women aren't able to succeed is the *natural* one. You're able to succeed now because of the *artificial* system which men set up for you.
Yes, you are inferior to men as a whole. We give you your rights.
Men aren't oppressing you, we're lifting you up. A thank you isn't necessary, but it would be nice.
Now go enjoy your life where you're able to go to school on our dime, and then get a grant to start a business in our dime, and pursue whatever path you feel makes you happiest.
If you desire clarification, let me know. I do feel I've been fairly clear.
LOL in what world was that a "sound argument" more so than a resentful rant about the opposite sex? @ThatPersonOverThere "Because with all that men have sacrificed for women, you all then sit there and have the nerve to act like we're oppressing you." wow you must really have your own head stuck up your ass to equate women embracing their human rights - something that ALL human beings are entitled to - as something that men had SACRIFICE for women? On par with that retarded logic, would you say the same shit regarding white people and minorities? and how they should just stop complaining and be grateful for all that white people have sacrificed for them like giving back their BASIC FUCKING RIGHTS that they deserved in the first place?
jesus fuckin christ
@ThatPersonOverThere i can send you a link to 2017's news report regarding the news report i just mentioned if you want
@Volvagia Right? Theyre ignoring a lot of what I ask to just spout rhetoric. I know I'm young and not the smartest, but I am kind of embarrassed for them that they can't answer me.
@ThatPersonOverThere your position is clear. You just have no facts to back it up. What exactly are you doing, as a man, that "lifts us up"?
What *aren't* men doing?
We have set up laws to force employers to hire women and pay the same waves, even though women cost employers more.
We have given you the right to vote
We keep sports segregated by gender so that you can carve up your own little slice of success without having to directly compete against us.
We give you women's only scholarships where even a woman with a pathetic 2.0 is able to graduate with less debt than a man who earned his 4.0.
We give you women's only grants so that you can start a business easier.
We spend more per homeless woman than per homeless man.
We've outlawed insurance companies charging women more, despite the fact that even outside of pregnancy related issues, you cost far more to insure.
We even give you the legal option to absolve yourself of all responsibility when faced with a child you don't want. Something we don't give men.
Those things didn't happen *Naturally* we gave them to you. What more do you HONESTLY fucking need?
@Skullcap16 Yes please. Thank you.
@ThatPersonOverThere
Im not a wage gap supporter. But not all women take maternity leave or those generalizations. So great that people have to be "forced" to hire women though. What else should we do? Sit at home and die?
Gave us the right to vote? So our thoughts don't matter. Right. Because we're useless.
Segregated sports. Physical differences, already acknowledged. Sports dont matter in the grand scheme of things, so whatever.
Grants and scholarships, see history of women being forced into being homemakers. "Because it's nature".
Spending more on homeless women... I won't fight you on that. Men have a bigger need there.
Insurance companies aren't a friend to anyone, so glad you support them.
Right. All those single mothers have so much freedom. Where are the fathers again?
You are very angry about a lot of things, some of which have zero impact on you. Where is your outrage for other issues that do? Still no comment about minorities. Selective outrage says a lot.
@ThatPersonOverThere @ThatPersonOverThere
you didn't "GIVE" anything lol what nonsense
women cost employers more? Wanna elaborate? equal pay is a right and a woman being paid less than a man for the same work simply cuz she's a woman is unjustified.
stfu, you haven't "given" shit, universal suffrage falls under basic human rights
all the rest of that shit you mentioned are female privileges in mainly developed countries and I don't support either gender having special privileges over the other so I really don't fucking know why you feel the need to personalize your language as if you're spoiling me rotten over here with all these special privileges I didn't ask for nor involve myself in? lmao
My argument here is simple, women are humans, men are humans and are both entitled to the same human rights and opportunities. Other than that, pointing out what privileges women have over men is besides the point.
I didn't mention race at all. You asked a question, and I continue to choose to ignore it because THIS discussion is on gender, and as such race is irrelevant to this conversation. If you wish to dm me and have a separate conversation on race I have no issue with that.
Yes, we have reached a point where we can afford for your thoughts matter which is why we Gave you the right to vote.
Yes, women in history had fewer rights and had to stay home. You have rights now because we GAVE them to you. I don't see how you don't realize you're proving my point. Women didn't win some war, men decided to *give* you rights, thus you now have them.
And I didn't mention support/destain for insurance companies either way. I'm stating that as a matter of LAW we don't allow them to charge women more, even though women cost them more.
Serious question. What more do we, as men, need to GIVE women before you'll finally be happy? What is it that you need, but don't have? What do you desire?
@Volvagia
Yes, we agree that women deserve basic rights, which is why we gave them to you...
Can we both agree that women used to NOT have the right to vote, and today they do? (Talking about U. S. here obviously) What exactly is it that changed? The only thing that changed was that men decided to give you that right. Moving on.
*Why women cost employers more than men*
We are a sexually dimorpous species. The female of of species is the only one able to become pregnant and give birth.
During the later stages of pregnancy, and especially immediately following child birth women don't want to work.
From the employer's perspective, the job still needs to get done. This is either done by hiring additional staff (Which costs more, and they're not as efficient since they're new) or by forcing the other employees to work overtime (Which costs more, and again those employees aren't usually as efficient)
And of course that's excluding any maternity leave (Additional cost) the employer pays. ll
@ThatPersonOverThere this according to huffington post
i don't really if it's actually real or just fake news but i'll leave it up to you to decide
@ThatPersonOverThere @ThatPersonOverThere I don't see how you're so fucking clueless
do you even know what human rights are? You can't understand the simple fact that these rights ensure that every fucking human being - regardless of sex, age, race, social class, etc. - is entitled to them. They are INHERENT - you know what that means right?
Women not having the right to vote was something that was TAKEN by men and then it was rightfully RETURNED to them once those men decided to grow a brain an realize HEY women are people!!! WOw
I brought up race only to highlight the stupidity behind your statement of men sacrificing anything by RETURNING those rights that women - as human beings - have deserved in the first place. Similarly to rights that were unjustifiably taken away from blacks, Asians, gay people, etc. LOL and one doesn't need to win a fucking war to stand up to those dehumanizing them. the fact that you think you did women a favour by "giving" them their rights is retarded
@Skullcap16 Alright finished.
I think it's important to have a quick preface on "Rights."
As a US citizen, I have the right to bear arms. This does not mean, that I get to force other people to pay for it. If I want a rifle, I can spent my own money to obtain one.
The government NOT paying for my rifle =/= me not having the *Right* to own a rifle.
No back to the article in question. At no point (As far As that specific article) is Truno taking away anybody's reproductive rights. What he is doing is defunding the groups doing it.
In other words, women still have the RIGHT to their reproductive freedoms, but they're not *Entitled* to have other people pay for it.
If I want a gun, I can go buy one. I don't get to force others to pay for my rights.
If these women want an abortion, they can go pay for one. They don't get to force others to pay for their rights.
They have the freedom and legal right to make that decision, but they are the ones asked to pay for it. Cheers.
@Volvagia and women played a huge role during the world wars i respect that women fought in the wars as well as helped a lot but i don't have anything against women it wasn't men only that fought during the wars and i appreciate what women during wars did. women did play a big part throughout history and no one should deny it
@Volvagia It wasn't taken, because you didn't have it in the first place. The US government's Initial state was one where women didn't have the legal right to vote.
Deserving rights =/= having them.
You may have *deserved* the right to vote, but as a matter of historic fact, you didn't *have* them. You have them now, not because you're any more deserving than before, but because men GAVE them to you. They weren't *returned* to you because women didn't have the right to vote in the US in the first place. They weren't *taken* because they didn't exist to take. There is no *Right to vote* in the natural universe. It is an artificial social construct, created by men, and given to women. Women didn't die on the battlefield to create democracy, men did. Men died to create a system of goverment where *voting* was even a thing.
I know we're limited to 1000 character replies, but I would like to hear your response to my reasoning on why women cost employers more than men do. Cheers.
I think what is paradoxical about discussions like this is that both men and women are acting in accordance with their own self-interest, but at the same time, they depend on each other to get what they want. You could compare it to international relations, and we all know how fraught they can be.
@soyboy999 There was nothing in men's self interest about voluntarily giving up power to women.
It was meant to make them happier (Because we do in fact love them), but instead they're less happy, complain more, and as evident by this thread don't even realize that we did this for them. We built a world opposed to nature, where the weak could stand along the strong, and they hate us for it. A society where women can pursue whatever life they want, no longer have to rely on men, and they somehow feel oppressed...
Men weren't served by this at all. That of course wasn't the goal though. We didn't do it to be self serving, we did it to be compassionate.
@soyboy999 LOL don't even bother, he's fucking delusional and how he's inactive. How sad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdofmoYcJNE
We could easily subjugate them if we wanted to. Luckily for them, we don't want to.
Women could, if the leader was a woman. Then even if the police and others were mostly men, they would obey their female leaders laws and so the leader would be able to give women their rights.
Our PM is a corrupted witch though.
To be honest with you ; woman run our government, so no, woman have power and rights because they are able to and because they have strength. Not because men are men or any other fairy tale gibberish. Woman are strong and can be very independent.
We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
According to the DOI, rights are guarecerse by God.
We have our natural rights, and our governmental rights. However the government does not give us rights. The government is told that we have these certain rights under the constitution and that they shall not be infringed.
Doubt it. I'm willing to bet plenty of us women own guns, and know how to use 'em.
No one is going to mess with you that’s for sure lol
Mannn, you are so unaware of how this world works. Men rule the world and men is being ruled by women.
And pls dont ask this kind of questions or we will end up 2 moths (at least) without sex and that is just the begining
Yes, we could.
We could stop fucking y'all.
If we never let women Vote they would have no power. They were granted rights because politicians wanted their votes. Look at the court system women are favored in courts because the gov still feels like they are vulnerable. Child support alimony custody and they’re given shorter jail time for the same crimes. It’s all about votes. Look at places that don’t have democratic governments or some that do. Middle East, Africa, and Asia. They don’t say shit over there because they’ll be punished, beaten or raped.
@englisc To be honest, was just being an asshole. But, I like to believe not all men just get off on raping women.
Lmao I was in Africa about 10yrs algo for a few weeks and they seem to enjoy it. I can’t imagine living like that but I guess that’s as close as you can get to humans in an uncontrolled environment
@ChronicThinker Most of us fuck our hand anyway, sooo...
I know right, it’s crazy they are always crying because all we want is sex. That’s the only thing they have we need. If they didn’t have a vagina we would have eaten them long ago lmao😜
I suppose there is truth in the statement but i don't taking them away in today's society is possible. I think us women would put up a good fight.
With exception to some extremist women why would we want to?
Sure women need to be a bit more responsible due to their increased rights but I don't see a positive to taking them away even if we wanted to.
Yes men allowed it and are largely responsible. I am all in favor of women's rights but they have swung way too far in their favor in some areas. The obvious one being divorce law and yes men are mostly the blame for that too.
Well, it likely would not be easy. But if it came down to physical fighting, men would likely win. Not sexist, I am aware that women are equal to men. But men are built for combat. Its genetic.
It would be like slavery. While it might be possible it is not a desirable situation. We all need to work together to make things better
Who do you think let them vote? Men did! Women only have rights because men allow it. That being said, a large portion of men only have rights because more powerful men allow it.
History can never be reversed. Women have alread gained too much power over men. Men have proven to be dependant on women. Men will can never reinvent the wheel.
Women have power, because men allow it.
Take a look at modern society, feminists can talk all that shit about men with little-to-no consequence.
This wouldn't have happened 50 years ago.
Let's put in this way if war broke between men and women, The winners would obviously be men, The strong dominate the weak as simple as that, Women only have as much power as they do under the men's shadow
On the surface, yes, but in reality, men also have weaknesses and vulnerabilities that can be tapped into.
What you mean if all men everywhere became a hive mind and tried to take away all female rights, then yes obviously. What a stupid statement.
we gave them rights as a privilege and we can just as easily take it away
Careful now. It is far easier to give rights than to take them back.
That's the major factor in what makes a successful coup or regime change.
When a new group comes in and tries to take away an existing right, people get royally pissed right off and fight back.
So we men need to be very cautious of what rights we give women. They will have various far reaching consequences and the ability to revoke those rights is not an easy thing to do.
Displeased women = no sex. It's really that simple.
They could bitch and whine but that's. About it... it's only been a couple of years since we took the boot off their neck and let them do whatever
no. women should be able to gain power and would necesarilly have to be legally equal to men. end of debate
Well... They used to have basicly non, but both some men and womans chanced it i think.
Women still control sex so I don’t see how that really works lol
If we really wanted to take away their rights, I guarantee we could. That's not to say we should though.
Women do have rights, because we have shown the female gender the mercy that they never even deserved.
Why should I be? Female gender doesn’t even deserve basic rights.
As if the value of their life is even worth to our. You can use whatever label you like. The female population deserves no respect from me. They are not entitled to anything. They’re despicable goons and sub creatures.
@Daechir prove that first
@Daechir I didn't display any of my behaviour. You have to prove me that female gender is equal to my gender.
I won’t hesitate to stand against the likes of you. You have yet to give me “facts” to prove that this inferior and disgusting gender is equal to men.
I think there is truth in that statement.
Screamed at my toaster this morning and it did nothing but stare back so no.
Pussy runs the world!!! Men don't run shit, that's just what they prefer us to think.
Women have power and rights, because they're people. Why shouldn't ALL people, have rights?
You say so yourself, policelivesmatter, right? Well, aren't there women police, too?
Yeah. I think so. I think history proves it
I say everyone has the same rights
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