He is extremely sharp when it comes to social issues. But I can't stand him for economics. I am quite far on the left, so our respective perspectives on economics revolves around his: corporations are Gods, and individuals have all the responsibility for their actions and society has no responsibility to its people, anti raising the minimum wage, and he's said something along the lines of, "If you're poor, but you're getting richer, you have nothing to complain about." I'm not very fond of that, especially coming from someone who was born into wealth. It's easy for the wealthy to say "Suck it up poor people," when they never had to worry about food when they were kids. Or anything.
But, yes, when it comes to social issues, he's beyond reproach, in my opinion. Very, very sharp, and an excellent debater. He tends to default to some manipulative tactics every now and then, misrepresenting other's positions and using snuck premises--that is, trying to sneak a premise in that is open to contention, then using that unproved premise as a foundation to assert a strong conclusion from it. Even if the argument may still be sound, it is sneaky. He essentially plants this idea into your head, then follows it up with "if a = b, then b=d." It's kind of like a false cause logical fallacy.
He's also quite level headed and doesn't get caught up in emotions, like a lot of people do during a debate.
Yeah. Overall, I very much appreciate Ben Shapiro's style of argument. Very sharp. But, again, entirely disagree with him economically.
I completely agree with you, his economical views are disappointing. He once said that if poor people are still poor, it's because they're not good with money. That if they won the lottery, they'd still be poor the next year cause they don't know how to handle money.
i think he's an incredibly eloquent person and i wouldn't wish to debate him but i still disagree with him on many topics. however overall i think he's a good person and really tries hard to do the right thing.
I’m not a big fan. I don’t think he’s as smart as he makes himself sound. When he debates, he talks down to people. He acts as if everything he’s saying is obvious. It’s a dirty debate tactic that says nothing of his actual points, but has he effect of making people afraid to disagree with him. It’s also just incredibly rude. As for his show, it’s easy to sound smart when there’s no one there to respond to your points.
Ben Shapiro is a moron who makes gullible sheep believe that he's smart by talking really fast. What's even worse about him, though, is that he doesn't actually care. In this, he is very different from a right-winger such as Tucker Carlson for instance, who appears to be a real human being with genuinely held beliefs. I have respect for that, even if I disagree with many of Carlson's opinions. Ben Shapiro is a robot. He doesn't actually give a shit about the substance matter. Political debates are to him more like a sport. As long as he can get out his same old talking points and have his little alt-right fans post tweets and videos online that go like "Ben Shapiro destroys XY in debate!" or "XY obliterated by Ben Shapiro!", he's happy. He's incredibly fake and I hate fake people.
Went to Harvard and is very successful. I don’t think morons get to do that. I understand you don’t believe in his political stance, but to call him a moron is just inaccurate. He’s very intelligent and it’s apparent. Not just because of the speed in which he debates either. I think I’m a productive member to society and don’t think of myself as just a gullible sheep as I take a great interest in politics and have even served my country. Just because we have a difference in political views, doesn’t mean I’m just by default a sheep and you’re superior. That’s bigotry to think in that way. I think the left and the right balances each other out like an equilibrium. Bottom line is that you can disagree with his views and my views, but that doesn’t make everyone else moronic sheep, That just means we have a difference of values in our political beliefs.
@TonyBologna25 This is not about politics however, it's about him. It's kind of like with Trump. You can disagree with Trump on politics but you can also, completely aside from politics, acknowledge that he's just a really, really stupid person. And I feel sorry for the people who genuinely think he's smart because that means they are also really, really stupid. Again, this is unrelated to politics. If you listen to a dude who thinks that stealth planes are LITERALLY invisible (as in, you can't see them), which is exactly what Trump said a few days ago, and you go: "yeah man! That guy is a total genius!" then sorry, you're a moron. It's just like that.
Now, Shapiro is not quite as stupid as Trump but he is pretty stupid too. He fools people with his fast talking. Other than that, he doesn't make any convincing arguments whatsoever. Let alone the fact that he is a GIGANTIC hypocrite on most of his core issues (free speech, to name just one).
How does a stupid man graduate from Harvard law school with a damn near perfect GPA? How is a stupid man such a successful attorney? It’s not adding up. You have to be of higher intelligence to reach that kind of prestige in life. You simply don’t agree with his politics views. That doesn’t mean he’s inferior though lol
Ben Shapiro is just more prepared than anyone on the left that he debates with, and he doesn't really set the bar high. I find his content comparable to PragerU. It's not actually factual, it's rhetorical. He has a speaking style that sounds like he's not using confirmation bias, (but if you've ever taken many courses in sociology and social psychology) his speaking style doesn't cover up the logical fallacies he presents. I think he's good at pretending he's some sort of deep thinker by presenting arguments without any opposition, but to me it's really easy to see through.
He's got a fine head on his shoulders, but he is still part of an ingroup, and has taken a chance in representing it.
The use of fallacies such as appeal the authority and false equivalence, and to the average viewer it comes off as savage or intelligent, but at the end of the day he's not any more intelligent than the average politician.
Being known for "facts and logic" is a very scary thing for his fans to brag about (to me) because it implies all their other political idols don't meet that standard, and that should be the lowest bar possible (once again in my opinion.)
Yes, he is very articulate and smart. Even if you disagree with him he still has a logical case for his positions. All of these idiots that protest him are just basing that on what people tell them about him, not on what he says. You can tell they've never listened to any of his lectures.
Most of the new media minds are great. Peterson, Shapiro, Crowder, etc. The people who are stopping the mentally amebic social justice nonsense, the feminist mental disorder, and fight against the biased system.
I mean there's a difference between being obnoxious within your circle of friends and being obnoxious nationally. There are certain standards he doesn't respect to go with his image.
He's a smart guy that should be a presidential candidate in the future. He doesn't follow the garbage ideas fed by the mainstream media and far left. He also doesn't sugar coat things for the growing population that needs a safe space every time someone has a different opinion.
Do you care about that sorta stuff, or could you do without it, or do you absolutely love it and wished that your boyfriend would stay down south for a while anyways? Kinda tuff question for you? Deano
Strange, everyone else didn't need for me to elaborate on this topic! It was answered surprisingly though. Most thought the same, which I though would have been the opposite for sure? Anyway, if you can't get the question? I'm not going to elaborate on this, I would have if I had gotten more remarks like yours. People didn't get what I was saying, etc... Deano
Not nice to call someone looking stupid either. I wouldn't suggest doing this to anyone else, I would simply not answer the question if I felt the literature was wrong, or I didn't get it! Deano
I find him a little sniveling, but I think he is on the money on most things. Admire his bravery for speaking out in the midst of today's liberal fascism.
Since he is quite educated and accomplished "idiot" is quite a charge. Ok, enlighten us what are his specific stances that make him an idiot. I love this backed up with something legit.
@Miristheiss Pretty much all of his stances? * deeply religious nutjob * climate change denier * chattel slavery apologist * believes freedom of speech should be annulled and that the opponents of the government and "anti-patriots" should be jailed * supports tax cuts for the rich * pro gun * in support of criminalization of abortion and vehemently against virtually all populist causes
But the worst of all, is that he has the audacity to insult freethought and the scientific process by passing off his idiotic and deeply biased beliefs as facts and his intellectually stunted listeners gobble it all up as it leaks out of his pseudo-intellectual arse.
All in all, he is a self-serving piece of filth and the embodiment of all that is wrong with the conservative American culture.
But hey, feel free to tell me what exactly it is that you like on the stances of a clown who preaches the horrors of the "left" while he himself not only believes you deserve fuck all for rights but would personally kick you down a ditch for you to die in.
* deeply religious nutjob He is Jewish. So that makes him an idiot. No it doesn't. Millions in the world have a religious faith so unless you claim every human is an idiot believes in God... even thought is no 100% proof EITHER WAY than that is bogus.
* climate change denier No he isn't so you must have had told to you.
* chattel slavery apologist No he hasn't. He has said the country wasn't "founded on slavery" He said it is a grave moral evil. He's said it was common at the time of the founding. He's said the U. S. tolerated slavery and the southern states fought for the continuation of slavery in the Civil War. He's also said that virtually all countries in human history supported slavery during that time including African countries who were shipping Africans abroad. Denmark in 1803 was the first European country banning imports of slaves. England outlawed imports in 1807 and the U. S. A. in 1808. Denmark abolished slavery in 1846, France 1848 and the U. S. A. in 1862.
He has said it is historically ignorant to pretend the USA was UNIQUE with regards to slavery. He has pointed out many countries continued to have slavery well into the20th Century. He pointed out Vermont abolished slavery in 1777. He’s pointed out Thomas Jefferson’s provision to condemn slavery and King George (England) but to get southern states to join the revolution they had to remove it (or else they’d not join against England). He pointed out the USA wasn’t founded ON slavery but IN SPITE of slavery. * believes freedom of speech should be annulled No he doesn’t. I don’t know where in the world you pulled that fallacy from. * supports tax cuts for the rich He may support tax cuts for ALL WHO PAY TAXES. Only intellectually dishonest people throw that little “for the rich” tagline as if everyone who may get a tax reduction should everyone but the rich. Those that like to divide the country into groups like “poor” and “rich” and then pit one against the other and act as if one
is evil and the other virtuous. He supports tax cuts on those who PAY TAXES. He has said he believes in a FLAT TAX. Everyone pays the same percentage of what they make. * pro gun The 2nd Amendment is in our founding documents. Apparently your argument is any person who agrees with our own amendments that American Citizens have the right to own a gun is an idiot. Good luck with that totalitarian stance. * in support of criminalization of abortion He has said we don’t have the right to kill babies. He claims science keeps showing the more we learn how quickly the child forms and gets a heartbeat in the womb. Basically he classifies your type. He wants to challenge those against him to debate him with facts and intellectually and whoever has the best cases, facts and ideas will persuade. Those without the facts to win a debate go the path of “he’s a bad person, he’s not worth debating” That would be you. “HE’S AN IDIOT”
@Miristheiss Being religious might not make one an idiot, but dismissing critical thinking in favor of make-believe coping mechanisms certainly does undermine faith in one's intellectual capacity.
He pointed finger at other places in the world, dismissing the burden of individual responsibility, yes. And he "pointed out" that America was not founded on slavery by saying "because I say so" without addressing the fact that it was the very "constitution" that enforced it, and by glorifying the virtues of the civil war of which the REAL reason was the secession of the south, which meant the severance of the trade ties that the north profited from and depended on.
Yes, and a person who believes in a flat tax or doesn't understand the impact of tax brackets is an idiot, or at least an ignorant person with no grasp of economics who talks fast without any real supporting arguments. Every economic study in the history of ever demonstrates that trickle down economics do not work or reflect the reality in any way shape or form. Economic growth is experienced when the wealth is redistributed among the poor, statistically, the rich are the LEAST likely demographic to return their wealth into the economy and the most likely to retain their personal wealth.
Guns - yes, every person who agrees with the constitutional right to own weapons in spite of the overwhelming amount of evidence that firearm availability directly correlates with gun deaths is an idiot.
"He has said we don’t have the right to kill babies."
Sure, but that is nothing more than his opinion, and one that is supported by nothing more than his feelings.
I'm not dismissing him because he is a "bad person". I'm dismissing him because he is stupid, motivated by personal bias and because his arguments are as fallacious and as devoid of logical basis as arguments of any other conservative.
Yeah he's very intelligent and he's a master of debating. Does a lot of research and his points are well planned out. While I don't agree with 109% of things he's ever said I'd say it'd be at 95%
I do. I find that his views help move debate along and cause people to think about what they truly believe. He has researched his positions and puts them in a logical presentation when he talks.
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