What privileges do feminists hope to gain from feminism?

[Anonymous]

What privileges do feminists hope to gain from feminism?

[TheOnlyAriii]

"real" feminists usually strive for a better *place* for both women and men.

I'm a feminist.
I wish to raise awareness about how unfair sexual assaults are unfair.
Female teachers raping young boys?
Society is like "ha! Bet the kid liked it!"
If a girl gets sexually assaulted and doesn't call the police immediately, she's called a liar.

In other countries, children marriages to older richer men are upsetting and would like to raise awareness about it.

I'd like parents to stop telling young boys that " boys don't cry" and maybe, perhaps, suicide and depression rates amongst young men will lower because they wouldn't feel trapped in their emotions.

I'd like to raise awarness to young girls that hey, you don't *HAVE TO look like that perfect looking girl, you're gonna be ok, as long as you're healthy. Maybe tell them that shaving is a personal thing and not to think hair on your legs and arms is unnatural.

I'd like to see young boys play with any toys they want, even if it's "girly" and vice versa.

I'd like women in other countries have the courage to raise their heads and fight back extreme patriarchal societies. Hey, gay marriage is legal in india now! That was a huge gain of privilege and right for feminists!

[TheOnlyAriii]

I said : "real" feminists, by the way. Not feminazi: im talking about real, intersectional feminism.

[Asker]

No one forces girls to shave. But no one should force society to like hairy bodies of women.

[sadassad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOxUVBrXtzk

[TrueGem]

Well said!

[KaitieSearching]

Well for starters, I want to commend you for your excellent word choice. Privilege. Please note the difference in meaning between privilege and right. I think you’re answer is in your question. Feminism seeks special privileges. Excess, not equality. Power, not peers.

[Asker]

The answers to my all questions are in my questions. I don't ask questions to get answers but to give messages.

[Inbox]

@KaitieSearching You must have been sent by Jesus.

[Shamalien]

Well said, well said indeed.

[SkipStop]

Get paid without doing any work.
Control every man like a pet or slave.
Kill any man they don't like with no punishment.
Cut off penises to avoid rape (already do that).
Put any man in jail for any reason they want.

[abc3643]

Avoidance of discrimination meaning getting:
>>> Respect
>>> Equal pay
>>> Equal opportunity

"America Made Me a Feminist" by Paulina Porizkova ↗

[Expecto_patronads]

Feminists don't reciprocate respect
Feminists think paying women more than men makes it equal pay
Feminists think giving women an advantage in hiring is equal opportunity

[abc3643]

@Expecto_patronads
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and live a few decades.
Then people will respect your opinions more.

[sadassad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvTjcOS4Ra8

[abc3643]

@sadassad

Learn to use objective sources and not from partisan "think tanks" which have little to do with thinking.

This is called "due diligence"; at 16, I wouldn't expect you to know that, but, since you are going to be a man soon, you need to learn these things and not echo bullshit fed to you by self-appointed "authorities" such as the IEA in the UK.

For example, here is the data in the United States per the US Federal Government. It comes from the compiled data of various US government sources.

OCCUPATION BY SEX AND MEDIAN EARNINGS IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS (IN 2017 INFLATION-ADJUSTED DOLLARS) FOR THE FULL-TIME, YEAR-ROUND CIVILIAN EMPLOYED POPULATION 16 YEARS AND OVER
2017 American Community Survey 1-Year Estimates

factfinder.census.gov/.../productview.xhtml

This is the net result per the United States Federal Government:
For "Full-time, year-round civilian employed population 16 years and over with earnings" (basically, everybody with a private sector job), "Women's earnings as a percentage of men's earning" = 80.7% with a margin of error of +/-0.1%.

That's how you do "due diligence".

[sadassad]

Jons where women get paid more than men
Communications associate
Adjusted pay gap from 2016-2018: 1.1 percent

Military officer
Adjusted pay gap from 2016-2018: 1.5 percent

8. Solutions specialist
Adjusted pay gap from 2016-2018: 1.5 percent

Purchasing specialist
Adjusted pay gap from 2016-2018: 2.5 percent

Logistics manager
Adjusted pay gap from 2016-2018: 3 percent

Social worker
Adjusted pay gap from 2016-2018: 3 percent

Inventory specialist
Adjusted pay gap from 2016-2018: 5.6 perc

Field services
Adjusted pay gap from 2016-2018: 5.8 percent

Research assistant
Adjusted pay gap from 2016-2018: 5.9 percent

You talk about not trusting the echo bullshit fed to you by self-appointed "authorities" such as the IEA in the UK. But there are plenty of sources that you can find and can not rule out mate. I don't follow anything blindly and I form my own opinions from what I see. Say whatever you want stats dont lie

[Signinggirl123]

You think women are looking for privilege 😂 that’s rich. We are looking for rights. There is a different. E. g

It’s a privilege to get a pay raise at your job..

It’s a right to be paid fairly at your job no matter gender, race/ethnicity, religion, health status, or social/economic class.

[Asker]

Do you get paid less?

[Spitfire808]

I get paid barely anything. I don't think there's an issue gender wise

[Warmapplecrumble]

More taxation on a average family
Less pay
Work during pregnancy
Work after labour
Work during child rearing
Paying lots of money towards pointless beauty products
Less help from men
Paying lots of money on work e. g. work clothes and shoes
No pension if housewife unlike past
Paying lots of money towards childcare costs
Spending more time with coworkers than family
Pretending to be strong as a man

[TrueGem]

You’re just ignorant

[Warmapplecrumble]

@TrueGem thanks

[dreamstar72]

If the feminists want to really help women's discrimination they would rally the Muslim women together and tell the Muslim men NO more. We dress how we want, do what we want, get equal pay, spend how we want, you strick or touch me wrong you will pay dearly may even deadly. Most of all the retarded Sharia Law is history.

[Anonymous]

Today's women in the western world are the most privileged and entitled class of humans in the history of humanity. They already have the same rights as men, plus some that men do not have, and more privileges than men as well.

Feminists do not seek equality. As you rightly hinted at in your question, they seek privilege, which they already have plenty of, and of course power over men.

[Asker]

Yes they want power over men because they believe it increases their low self esteem.

[Opinion Owner]

Agreed. I have never met a woman who was confident and well adjusted who supported modern feminism. Feminism has become nothing more than a magnet for emotionally and mentally damaged women who band together and brew their hatred against what they falsely perceive to be their common enemy... men.

Western feminism is a toxic and divisive influence on society and it is heartening to me to see good women having the honesty and courage to stand up against it and call it out for what it really is.

[NorthwestRider]

You must be stupid and clueless

Many parts of the world, women lack even the basic rights such in Saudi Arabia or Uganda

The world still need feminism because women lack rights in many parts of the world

[Asker]

So North American and European feminists fight for those women?

[markscott]

Probably equal pay, perhaps to be believed when they've been raped, to be respected at work equally with men, to be accepted for their abilities and not just their looks, etc.

[TheOnlyAriii]

Hi, I've seen your comments a little everywhere and I literally agree with you every time 😂 you're gonna be the first person I'm going to follow on this app

[markscott]

@TheOnlyAriii : thanks for the comment. But I'm sure we will disagree at times. : )

[Trolloween]

Yep agreed, that's why it has been illegal to pay women less for many decades, long before you were born. Rape victims are believed when there is any evidence, it's just they can't be believed only because they are women without any scrutiny or we will have even more innocent men in prison or with their lives destroyed because of lies. Saying all women should be believed is the same as saying as all men should be believed, it's a stupid argument.

[sadassad]

are you kidding me mate? A rape accusation is enough to have a man sent to jail. Women are also not respected in the work field since a lot of men are afraid that that woman is capable to ruin their job with a false rape accusation (read the book "Sex in the office" since you got way too much time in your hands mate)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxThRcJl_AQ
To be believed DONT make me laugh.
Equal pay cannot exist because you can't compare men with women. Statistically MEN pick jobs that pay a LOT MORE than the ones women choose. Veterinary is a FEMALE-DOMINANT PROFESSIO. Also Child-Care Providers. How about Home Health Care Providers or Educators.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvTjcOS4Ra8
Just be quiet already.

[markscott]

@Trolloween : If a person is robbed, people believe them. If a person is shot at, people believe them. If a woman is raped, people may believe them. If they are raped by a person with wealth and power, especially if they say a nominee to something like the supreme court, they are pilloried and left out to dry. And the FBI, directed by the DOJ, refuse to follow up and look into all the evidence.

[Trolloween]

That's simply untrue, if someone claims to be burgled or have their car stolen then it is investigated for evidence, looking for forced entry etc. Why? Because that's the system we live under, you need evidence and people lie all the time for personal gain. Either for insurance claims or to frame someone.
Corruption among the wealthy isn't a feminist issue or remotely limited to sex crimes. You are just finding something bad in the world and claiming it is sexist. You're also over simplifying a complex issue around consent and when something defined as rape, as there are several cases where women willingly pursue and have sex with a powerful person for personal gain like a promotion at work. Then they benefit more from a legal claim if the guy is deemed to have abused his power. Then there are real cases of abuse, you can't just use an umbrella definition for everything and forgo evidence because it's a female victim.

[markscott]

@Trolloween : No, it is absolutely true. Women often have difficulty being believed when the are raped. I said nothing about sending a person to jail just because someone said they were raped. I did say, they have more difficulty being believed compared to other crimes. Especially if the person who did the raping is a rich and powerful person.

[Trolloween]

Well there are a huge amount of false rape accusations, a huge number where it wasn't rape they just decided they didn't like the guy later so believe it was rape but it legally wasn't. There are genuine reasons to not believe every case, you need evidence. Give me an example where there is clear evidence of rape that wasn't convicted. I can give examples where a girl texted a guy to come have sex, asked to bring condoms etc so it couldn't be more explicitly consentful in writing. They had sex, then days later she regretted it, the guy was immediately kicked out of uni and arrested. He never got back in, nothing bad ever happened to her as a result. This is very common, look up the statistics of false accusations, even the guys in prison are often released when new evidence proves their innocents.
But also I disagree a rape victim is less likely to be believed than a burglary, where is your proof of this?

[markscott]

@Trolloween : I didn't say there wasn't a problem with false claims for rape. But I differ strongly, in the supposed huge number (percentage wise) of false rape claims. I have also posted about false rape claims, and no matter how frequent, or infrequent, if you are one the one falsely accused, then it's a major problem for that person. That's why we have checks and balances in our legal system. However, there are many more times when rape occurs, and the attacker gets away with it, than there are false claims of rape. And as I said, if you are rich and powerful, you have a good chance of raping and getting away with it. And as I said, if you are nominated for the supreme court, the FBI isn't even allowed to fully investigate the rape claim.

[Trolloween]

But you're being dishonest, you're making it sound like people don't take tape seriously when the exact opposite is true. Rape gets one of the longest sentences and often rapists in prison get killed, so even prisoners think they are scum. We simply do not have a culture that tolerates rape or sexual assault and it is ludicrous to suggest we do.
Worst of all people like you don't offer any solutions, so allow me. The problem is that it's difficult to prove rape due to lack of evidence so it's often one person's word against another, it sounds like you're advocating for the woman's voice to be believed but this has been proven to not work. Just ask the falsely accused (also by the way the accused aren't kept anonymous so their lives are wrecked before the investigations you mention). The only real solution is women report the crime immediately, but they won't if idiots keep spreading false propaganda that they won't be taken seriously. Stop this pointless crusade to discourage women to report crimes and do the opposite and more bad people will go to prison.

[markscott]

@Trolloween : Whether or not people take rape seriously, depends greatly on the situation. What you are refusing to acknowledge, is massive numbers of rapes occur each year, that are not reported. They often are not reported, because women are ashamed, and are afraid of not being believed. One only has to watch men who are rich and powerful who are accused of rape, to see how women are treated, if a powerful person rapes them. Consider Epstein being treated so nicely for so many years.

[Trolloween]

Yes so how are they supposed to be prosecuted if they aren't reported? You're proving my point by continuing this narrative that they won't be taken seriously, when if you just pay attention to society for a second you can see rape is entirely not tolerated. What you're arguing is that everyone hates rape, apart from the police and court systems. Just seems like you should at some point provide some evidence. All you and people like you are achieving is to further promote the notion that women shouldn't go to the police, you are part of the problem. Maybe the single biggest part of the problem.
Plese get off the rich person argument though I already replied to that as it isn't a sexist issue, it's a corruption issue. You could say the same about drugs or tax evasion etc etc. Money buys all. Nothing to do with this convo at all

[Anonymous]

Any and all.

The aim is to not just advance women to an unreasonably priviledged position but also where ever possible to disadvantage, exploit and abuse men.

Feminism is nothing to do with equality.

[Asker]

Why do they want to disadvantage men?

[Opinion Owner]

Hatred?
Some kind of vengence? even though the people who have committed the percieved crimes are different people as are the victims.

Why does anyone abuse others?

Because they aren't nice people.

[sawno]

More equality by eliminating the strengths of their competitors. Its why they try to turn women into inferior men and men into inferior women.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Equality for both females and males isn't a privilege, it's a right. That's what I want.

[ronaldo75]

There are no privileges left for feminism to gain for women in the west. At this point what feminist want it 100% totally erasure of accountability for women. Separate harsher laws for men and elevated states for women above men.

[PerryDaBud]

Oh god Nadim what have you become? I hope you don't end up being a fucking beta male and fail in life...

[MajesticTwelve]

They want to be superior to all. Every whim catered to, everyone to bow down and cheer because we have vaginas, no rules apply.
It's insanity.

[TrueGem]

That’s not true.

[AtramentalIvory]

Privileges? None.

Rights?
Equal pay. Abortipn. Equal employment opportunities.

The list goes on.

[AtramentalIvory]

*abortion

[AtramentalIvory]

(Legalized)

[Hypnos0929]

You get equal pay. If you aren't then report the issue to HR and inform a lawyer stuff might go down or simply talk with your boss with your concerns so they can explain why you make less or why he makes more. Reporting an issue won't kill you, you shouldn't need a 100 women to do what you can yourself.
Abortion is a trickier issue because it imbalances power in your favor. If you want abortion so much then you're gonna need to lose something like alimony or child support. You can say "my body, my choice" but remember it takes 2 to tango and most women getting abortions aren't being raped just like most women getting "fat shamed" don't have a disability.
Equal employment opportunity is impossible to guarantee in some fields. You'll never see 50/50 in fields like labour construction, the military, and sewage treatment because most women simply don't want to do those jobs no matter the pay. You have the opportunity and the means but do you and other women have the drive to get on your knees and reach into shit filled sewers and toliet for a clog or work in 90° heat in some field for 12 hours a day or get killed in a war for people you'll never meet.

[AtramentalIvory]

Your logic is nonsensical in most of your reply. I urge you to re-read it.

[Asker]

Girl, you got schooled.

[TheFlak38]

Anything and everything. They will never stop bitching until white men are legally enslaved to them working and have feminists take all of their money away from them. And again they won't be satisfied.

[ClearCyan]

Anything and everything they can. There is no limit to human wants. The first rule of economics.

[Muhammad1999]

Feminism isn't about equality , its about giving all the power to women.

[TrueGem]

For men to stop body shaming
For more equal society culturally
For getting paid equally
For no gender roles
More choices for women.

[Asker]

How can you make men like fat women?

[TrueGem]

You don’t have to like fat women but stop insulting them. Men call them pigs, gross, disgusting etc. that’s wrong.

[Asker]

How can you stop it then?

[Highwayrobbery]

"Men" don't body shame, a**holes. And a**holes exist on both genders.
How do you plan to get paid equally?

Eradication of gender roles? That's impossible. Some people would prefer to conform to them and you can't stop them. Nor should you. It shouldn't be imposed but it shouldn't be destroyed either.

Wdym by "more choices"?

[Stupid_GuyLol]

Peeing whilst standing up and having the right to complain about everything. Meanwhile people in third world countries get shot by going to school. The middle east don't treat women right and if men breathe it's rape.

[grega239]

Everything they think men have but actually don't. They're delusional

[Nadim171]

It's not about rights it's about equal treatment. Most men think of women as weaker or less important. It's social and not political

[Edanurus]

They judge men on the top 1% then think all women should be equal to that. They believe in equality they just think the average man is more privileged than they actually are.

[Massageman]

They seek to get more than "non-feminists", by definition, not through deserving anything.

[name_is_eric]

Supremacy and priorization.

That is their main goal.

[Xavier1954]

How they can legally fuck men over and get away with it

[John_Doesnt]

The right to be equal?

[Harmseygrace]

You know, just world domination.

[nailu]

🤦🏻‍♀️🤷🏿‍♂️Excellent point

[PrincessGrail]

Equality

[PrincessGrail]

Equality is a right, not a privilege

[Hypnos0929]

Equality in what sense? Do you want equal status no matter the individual? Do you want equal access to something? Do you want fields of study to be equalized no matter whom it hurts?
You say equality and it could mean everyone gets Ebola or everyone gets $1,000,000 a year for life.

[PrincessGrail]

@Hypnos0929 all of the first paragraph. Not the second paragraph. That’s just silly.

[Hypnos0929]

So you believe a female cop deserves the same respect as a male veteran soldier? Why does that make sense to you?
Do you believe women should get just as little spousal abuse aid as men? Is that not equal?
Should a hospital fire 60 male doctors with experience for 60 new female doctors to even out the workplace?

You see equality comes at a price. The next time you think "I want equality" think about what it entitles you to. If you want to be treated just like a man then VAWA goes out the window, your chances of winning a child in court go to below 20%, if any women feels the urge you could be falsely accused of rape and lose friends, family, and even your freedom, if a man punches you and you hit back then both of you can go to jail.

[PrincessGrail]

@Hypnos0929 no. I want the good aspects of equality. Not the examples you gave.

And yes, you can pick and choose.

[Hypnos0929]

No you can't. Every decision no matter how good or bad requires a sacrifice of some sort.

If every woman who screams rape is believed without question then rape will be used as a threat by many women looking for power, money or more. The sacrifice here is a limit on the freedom of men to be seen as innocent.

[Anonymous]

Equal pay I would assume

[Shamalien]

All of them.

[UI_Vegeta01]

Correct