On you on the side of Palestine or Israel, why?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

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Based on some research I did, seems like Isreal is on a power trip and occupying a lot of Palestine territory.

Israel desires to expand its territory and Palestine desires its land back and independence.

[Anonymous]

There is no justifying what’s happening in Sheikh Jarrah right now, you can’t just evict innocent people from their homes. I mean imagine someone coming to your house and saying “my family used to live here 2000 years ago so this is my house and you need to leave” and then forcibly expel when you refuse to leave your home?


That’s not to say Jewish people don’t have a historic or religious connection to the land of Palestine/Israel- but those historic and/or religious connections does not give the Israeli government and settlers the right to evict innocent Palestinians from the homes forcibly and violently or at all. I mean the deputy mayor of Jerusalem said about the home expulsions that they are a way of installing “layers of Jews” through East Jerusalem to ensure a Jewish capital for the Jewish people- completely erasing the Palestinian people out of the picture, one could very well argue that’s ethnic cleansing! Why can’t Jerusalem be a capital for the Palestinian and the Jewish people? Why is one ethnic/religious group favoured over another? Why can’t it be for both people where they can coexist peacefully and equally? And before anyone says it, yes, if it were Palestinians saying it about the Jewish people I’d say the same thing- and I do, like the aims of Hamas is to kill all Jewish people- that’s also ridiculous, absurd, antisemitic and yet another aim to ethnically cleanse yet another group of people. Wrong is wrong, and you should speak against wrong even if it’s against yourself.


The best solution to this is a two-state solution, there’s innocent people on both sides, none of who deserve to die. Both have the right to exist in equality and peace. And if you think that one people has the right to exist, whereas the other should be expelled from the land- then you’re part of the problem.

[Opinion Owner]

@tartaarsaus I understand the thing about the Western wall, hence in my original opinion I said that the Jewish people have a historical and religious connection to the land. And that is a valid point you make. And I think the vast majority of people, Muslims especially, would not have a problem with the Israeli government being in charge of that area, if they were fair to the Palestinians to begin with. However, in my view and this is a shared view with several people the reality is- that the Israeli government do not treat the Palestinian people with fairness. I mean the Israeli Security forces stormed Al-Aqsa Masjid (the third holiest site in Islam) while Palestinians were praying during Ramadan - might I add it was the 27th Ramadan too one of the holiest nights - firing tear gas, and stun grenades- for what reason? I completely understand the fears on the Israeli side with Jerusalem being a very important city for Jewish people religiously and historically- but that land is also very important to the Palestinians, and you say that they have no trust that the Palestinians will be friendly- but wouldn’t you say that Israel in it’s current form isn’t exactly friendly to the Palestinians either? I mean how is it justified to go into a place of worship and start attacking praying people? It’s not whether it be Hamas firing rockets at Jewish people in acts of worship at the Western Wall or the Israeli Security Forces storming Al-Aqsa Masjid and attacking Muslim Palestinians who were simply praying. And interestingly enough, I found this injustice from the Israeli side, was not limited to Palestinian Muslims but also Palestinian Orthodox Christians during Easter where the Israeli Forces assaulted Palestinian Christians outside of their Church in Jerusalem.

[Opinion Owner]

@tartaarsaus It’s perfectly okay and valid for the Israelis to want to feel secure- that’s a basic right anyone should have, but what’s not okay is Israeli Forces going and attacking Palestinians - who are not Hamas let’s be very clear about that - who are simply just trying to practice their religion whether they’re Muslim or Christian or any religion.

[Opinion Owner]

@tartaarsaus Not to mention, yes Israel does have the right to defend itself against Hamas, Hamas firing rockets at civilian targets in Israel is wrong, because killing and targeting innocent civilians is wrong, that goes without saying. But why is the response to Hamas always so disproportionate? For example, Israel targeted a 13 story residential building in Gaza basically destroying it- I mean was that not also an attack on a civilian target?

[Opinion Owner]

@tartaarsaus According to Gaza’s Health Ministry, 65 Palestinians 16 of who were children and 5 of who were women were killed due to Israeli air strikes, and 365 have been wounded. In Israel a 5-year-old boy was killed, and at least 20 Israelis were injured by rockets fired from Gaza. I think we’d both agree on all these incidents are undoubtedly tragic. Yet I find it difficult to believe that a disproportionate amount of violence is justified, especially when children are dying as a result of this.

I mean many would argue, that in East Jerusalem there are human rights violations taking place, and this is nothing less than a human rights issue. Even UN officials stated that the Israeli government could be guilty of potential war crimes in East Jerusalem under the Geneva Convention. Those are what the issues are here, not whether the Israelis have the right to safety, not whether the Israelis trust another authority protecting the Western Wall, not whether Israel has the right to defend itself.

[Opinion Owner]

@tartaarsaus Because if you can argue that the Israelis are not okay with an international force maintaining peace in the area of Jerusalem especially with the Western Wall (which is a legitimate concern and argument) then couldn’t the Palestinians also argue the same thing about the Israeli government maintaining peace in the area of Jerusalem also- because by the looks of things, under Israeli occupation, peace is not maintained either. I mean you also say, that they have no trust the Palestinians will be friendly overtime, but in all fairness, the Israelis aren’t exactly being friendly towards the Palestinians either, right now.

I hope you’re right when you say people such as the dude I quoted in my original opinion, will be gone. However, I do find it worrying that such language is used by and such beliefs are held by elected officials. I mean to me his quote about the evictions of Palestinians as being a strategy for installing “layers of Jews” throughout East Jerusalem to ensure Jerusalem is a Jewish capital for Jewish people, is no different to the belief held by Hamas that all Jews need to be expelled from the land, the only difference is, is that this is the deputy mayor of East Jerusalem, and Hamas is a terrorist organization yet it can be argued both hold such similar views and support ethnic cleansing of a people.

[Opinion Owner]

@007kingifrit No, the Palestinian people in Sheikh Jarrah are innocent, that is a fact, and innocent people do not deserved to be expelled from their homes.

By your logic, I guess native Americans should be able to evict European Americans from their homes in the USA too then?

[Opinion Owner]

@007kingifrit Moreover, you’re not somebody who I would want to discuss this issue with, because you’re Islamophobic. Remember our last discussion, where you argued that people should be intolerant towards Muslims? So you’re basically intolerant towards people you don’t like or want to understand- so you will have a bias against the Arabs as the majority of them in this conflict are Muslims, so of course as an Islamophobe, you’re not going to look at things fairly. Just like I wouldn’t want to discuss this conflict with an antisemite, I wouldn’t want to discuss this with you, an Islamophobe. I know an antisemite will have a bias against Jews and so they will look at the Israeli side of this conflict in a completely unfavorable way, at the least dismissing valid points raised by the Israeli side or at the worst completely dehumanizing the Israelis to the point where they wouldn’t care if innocent Israeli civilians were harmed or worse.

And you’re exactly the same when it comes to the Palestinians. You’ve dehumanized them to such a point where you actually think the expulsion of innocent people from their homes is justified.

At least with tartaarsaus, I know he’s not Islamophobic nor does he hold a discriminatory view towards a people based on their demographic. So I’ll happily discuss this issue with him, knowing that he won’t justify an injustice towards a people because he doesn’t like what demographic they fall into, unlike you.

Unlearn your bias and Islamophobia and then talk to me.

[Jessica405]

I am on the side of Palestinians. The map of the area, showing the UN proposal for the creation of Israel, clearly shows that the West Bank is Arab territory. This applies to the Gaza Strip, too.

It is also shown on the 1949 map of Isreal.

Israel has no right to occupy these lands, but it seems the UN is powerless to stop it.

[JamieLoves]

Every hear of winning the land back from the enemies that attacked you?
When your country’s attacked and you kick their asses. You receive the Spoils of War...
It’s Israel’s , they win it! No give zee back zees

[MrNameless]

Palestine never were the aggressors. They were merely defending themselves over from being kicked out of their homes.

[007kingifrit]

anyone who takes the UN seriously is a bad person and childish.

the arabs attacked isarel; israel defeated them and thus is entitled to more territory. that's the law of nature baby

the palestinians have refused every peace deal for 60 years. and lost all the wars. you don't get to do that without consequences

[007kingifrit]

@MrNameless palestinians have been the aggressors in EVERY war. their official party's slogan is "we like death more than jews like life"

[Jessica405]

@007kingifrit There is no denying that Israel moved into the West Bank! They were the first agressors!

[Jessica405]

Thank you for MHG!

[Jessica405]

In which case, the spoils of war would mean Germany belongs to the Allies and Japan belongs to US.

[007kingifrit]

in the case of ww2 there were greater complexities to worry about. but yes many voices did speak of doing both of those things in post ww2.

[Royitzko]

reason why there are more deaths on the Palestinian side is that Hamas uses the same children you talked about as human shields. Hamas fires missiles from civilian buildings, Hamas establishes its headquarters inside schools, kindergartens and institutions where there are innocent civilians and children. Hamas does not care about protecting Palestinian civilians, it uses them to protect itself. - Unfortunately this is not the truth, Hamas is a terror organization They use innocent children and people to protect themselves and doesn't care if those people will die and get hurt. Before we bomb a building, that Hamas are using for terror benefits, we make sure that there are no innocent civilians there! If you really want to stand for humanity, you should check the facts again and understand that Hamas is the one that is hurting Israelis and the people of Gaza as well!!! It is a *terror* organization and Israel has the right to defend itself when Hamas and Jihad (another terror organization) attack our country!! We all want peace, but we have the right to defend our people and our land facing terror!! For your information, you should know that Hamas are shooting missiles from hospitals and schools towards Israel , While in Israel our hospitals take care of all humans, Please next time check the facts and history

[FilmGuy93]

Well, in this particular conflict, Palestine is the aggressor after the US resumed its funding of Palestinian political factions. The Trump administration wasn't funding those groups and had brokered peace deals between them and the Israelis. Those Palestinians have now started a missile barrage on Israeli civilians using missile trucks that are firing from Palestinians civilian neighborhoods (which is a typical and extremely despicable thing to do).

So this time around, I support Israel.

[Sargentcaptain]

Palestine. Israel is just a colonialist state that wouldn't even exist if the Brits hadn't given away land that shouldn't have been British in the first place. Not to mention that Israel directly supported the Bosnian genocide and has refused reasonable compromise, instead opting for the murder of innocent civilians with support of the western world.

[NikolaiIvanov]

živela Srbija🇷🇸, živela Izrael🇮🇱

[007kingifrit]

israel has never refused compromise. palestinians have rejected every deal ever.

and the original owners of the land were the jews. so its theirs. and the British DID have a right to give it away. they won it in war. war justifies everything

[Sargentcaptain]

@007kingifrit

Are you just gonna pretend that the 2014 talks never happened? Are you just gonna pretend that Israel didn't go into a conquest war with Egypt?

The US was originally owned by natives, who gives a shit? Who has the right to a land according to you? The first group to piss on it or the ones who fight for it? Cause you can't hold both of those positions. Either your point about the original land owners is mute, or the one about the Brits is. So which is it? Cause between those two events plenty of things happened and many a conquests ended with jews being losers, which then basically means that the owners of the land were muslims. If war justifies everything than Palestine has a right to nuke the shit out of Israel and claim the land, right? Fuck em civilians, they live on the wrong side of the border, right? Does war justify Israel supporting the genocide of Bosnians (shockingly, majority muslim genocide)?

[NikolaiIvanov]

The so called Bosnian genocide was a way to let the converted Bosniaks know that they are not welcome to live on this land which has been under Austria-Hungary and Yugoslavia. Turks have gone long ago it's time to leave or die fighting. War against terror is not genocide and Israel has never initiated conflict just retaliated 10 times harder it's not their fault hamas is comprised of civilians.

[Sargentcaptain]

@NikolaiIvanov Only complete shitheads such as yourself can excuse genocide. Face it bitch, people don't wanna be second class citizens under Serbian rule.

Funny how the 'war on terror' includes ethnic cleansing and treating muslims like shit. Funny how 'the war on terror' leaves children's dead bodies rotting while Israelis are dancing and celebrating.

[NikolaiIvanov]

Wherever there are Muslims there is terror? Explain. Sweden was so good before Ethiopians, Somalians, Syrians and afghans came there.

[NikolaiIvanov]

https://youtu.be/IxOqQ8itTF0

[007kingifrit]

who attacked first? egypt? or israel? oh right... egypt. sometimes a defensive war means weakening the enemy so badly they can't fight back again. totally justified

land cannot be stolen. only won or lost by sovereign nations. the truth is all successful nations are built on genocide. so yes. that does make genocide justified.

[Sargentcaptain]

@007kingifrit

No, fuck off. Defensive warfare does not include conquest. For reference, check the the fall of Yugoslavia. Slovenia, Bosnia and Croatia fought for independence, not for Serbian territory, and they got international support for it and eventually won their wars. Meanwhile, Israel was supporting Serbia, training their soldiers and giving them weaponry used in the genocide committed by Serbs.

"land cannot be stolen. only won or lost by sovereign nations."

What a cute worldview. Imagine if China just gave away your house to Russia. Russia comes, shoots your family, throws you out, changes the locks and then cries that they're victims when you smash the windows.

"the truth is all successful nations are built on genocide. so yes. that does make genocide justified."

That's a load of bullshit. There are successful nations that have never committed a genocide, such as Korea, Netherlands and Iceland.

[Sargentcaptain]

@nikolaiivanov

"Wherever there are Muslims there is terror?"

Bosnia, Israel, China

"Sweden was so good before Ethiopians, Somalians, Syrians and afghans came there."

Shocker, you let poor people in, they'll commit crimes.

[007kingifrit]

your attempts at sympathy are wasted. emotions do not change reality. if an enemy conquers you you are shit out of luck

defensive wars can involve conquest; the best defence is a strong offence

[Sargentcaptain]

@007kingifrit

Pleasant to think about how shit out of luck Europe is in a world in which the US didn't get involved in WW2.

The Winter War is another good example of what a defensive war is. If your true goal is self defense you're not gonna rush into enemy territory and take it for yourself.

[007kingifrit]

oooof you just shot yourself in the ass super hard with your lack of history knowledge. the winter war immediately ended with 100s of thousands of finnish soldiers joining hitler's SS and helping invade the soviet union. this was a defensive war to deter future russian aggression

[Sargentcaptain]

@007kingifrit

Funny how you're the one who knows shit about the Winter War. The Winter War was completely defensive. In 1940 there was treaty that gave the Soviets some land in exchange for the end of the Winter War. It was a year and a half after the Winter War was ended that Finland went back on the offensive, starting the Second Soviet Finnish War. This was not a defensive war. This was a war for conquest that was caused by a fuck up on the Finnish part in signing the treaty in the first place. This is when they worked with Nazis.

Hey, it's almost like the nation that initially fought for independence can take shit way to far and it can result in hundreds of dead children and thousands of dead civilians, even working together with another fascist nation to conduct a fucking genocide. Remind you one one such nation today? One that is supported by damn near entire western world. One that always cries is the victim, even when they leave 100 civilians dead for every one of theirs.

[007kingifrit]

the winter war only "ended" if you're an overly technical idiot. the finns then joined the germans in invading russia

[Sargentcaptain]

@007kingifrit

"the winter war only "ended" if you're an overly technical idiot."

'The Peloponnesian War only "ended" if you're an overly technical idiot.'

"the finns then joined the germans in invading russia"

Yeah, a year and a half after the Winter War was done and dusted they started another war. Just take the L and move on.

[007kingifrit]

it wasn't another war. it was a defensive invasion of the soviet union

[Sargentcaptain]

@007kingifrit

en.wikipedia.org/.../Moscow_Peace_Treaty#Aftermath

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War

"The Continuation War began 15 months after the end of the Winter War, also fought between Finland and the USSR."

Literally a whole different war a fucking after the end of the Winter War. Just admit that you fucked up acting all high and mighty thinking that you actually had me, when you really just fell into my trap.

[Leavesbound]

Neither side is innocent. Israel has the right to exist but not at the expense of the existence of Palestine. The whole matter could have been handled better. The continued confiscation of land and homes is a crime against humanity but Israel has been given a pass due it's past suffering.

[007kingifrit]

every time hamas fires another rocket, israel has a right to expand.

war winners have a right to expand

[Leavesbound]

@007kingifrit That is actually not true since most of what Hamas does is to defend itself or to retaliate for what Israel did to it. Occupying Palestine and evicting people from their own homes for no other reason but to make room for replacement population gave Palestine and it's people the right to defend themselves by all means necessary. It is not all their fault though. I place at least half the blame on the British Mandate.

[007kingifrit]

nothing hamas has EVER done is defensive you ignorant person.

the evictions were totally justified. the homes were stolen in the 1967 war. in a 1989 court decision the court ruled the homes must be returned to the jews whose homes were taken unfairly in the war.

these are not just random evictions. the people who were evicted are proven to have taken the homes in the war

[Princess_Serene]

Palestine of course because I don't surpport terrorism and killings of innocents while they pray in their mosques. Palestinians deserve their land and their rights to exist as a free country.

[007kingifrit]

palestine is the one who kills civlians. all civilian deaths are palestine's fault. they even intentionally put their missile batteries around civilians so that israel is forced to fire back into civlian areas

[Princess_Serene]

@007kingifrit your propagandist shit won't sell here buddy. Bugger off. Israelis are the bad guys here clearly.

[007kingifrit]

nothing i said was untrue. sounds like you are the victim of propaganda

[Princess_Serene]

@007kingifrit says someone who's blinded by propaganda. Lol sure

[007kingifrit]

anyone who just calls things propaganda is the victim of propaganda

propaganda has no true useful definition; its anything you don't like

[Princess_Serene]

@007kingifrit so you're not liking the facts I stated... and that makes you.. Nuff said ;)

[007kingifrit]

you shared no facts

[Princess_Serene]

@007kingifrit all I shared are facts. You're just butthurt and blinded by propaganda to not see the facts. Bye

[007kingifrit]

you keep using the term propaganda but you have no idea what metrics to use to determine if something is propaganda. you just call all information you don't like propaganda

[Princess_Serene]

@007kingifrit that applies to you, and anyone else who supports Israeli terrorists not me.

[007kingifrit]

"anyone who disagrees with me is propaganda"

that's what a brainwashed person would say

[Princess_Serene]

@007kingifrit arguing with me won't change the facts. You know that and I know that. Israel is a terrorist state.

[007kingifrit]

states by definition cannot be terrorist entities... so thats not the right word to use

also labeling your opinons "the facts" doesn't make them facts. you can speak with as much certainty as you want but its not true

[Princess_Serene]

@007kingifrit your points lost validity when you recognized Israel as a country. So anything else you say further is null and void

[007kingifrit]

well then you can't be reasoned with. you will have to sit by while we burn your palestinian children to ash

[blondfrog]

Siding with any side is bad. They have such a problem that no country can solve. They both have maliciously killed each other for no reason. Israel more but still. I'll leave it at this. Israel wasn't a country until 1939.

[007kingifrit]

isarel is in the right here; lets review

* palestinians spent 60 years refusing every peace deal offered them
* palestinians fired first
* palestinians keep a hostile terrorist faction hamas in power
* the official slogan of hamas is "we like death more than jews like life"

there is no making peace with such sub humans

[Lottifan]

[7771999]

The Jews always come back to Nazis 😂😂

[NikolaiIvanov]

@7771999 It's better to barely tolerate Jews than Muslims believe me.

[7771999]

Jews are way fewer. But if they were as many as Muslims, you'd change your view.

The fact is that there's wayyyy too many non Whites in Europe

[NikolaiIvanov]

I agree with that America is stolen land but Europe is for European natives. Populists are resurging here I don't mind native Jews living in Europe but no Ethiopian and no Arab Jews should live on European land.

[7771999]

I'd prefer to remove them all.

But all of the Western world belongs to Europeans. Simple as that

[Jessica405]

Palestinians have a right to protect THEIR LANDS!! Their people, too!!

[7771999]

We know

[Lottifan]

@Jessica405
So does Israel.

[Jessica405]

Israel's land was set out by the UN in 1947. Arab land was shown on the same map. Look how much Arab land has been taken by Israel. Against the agreement made when the state of Israel was formed.

[NikolaiIvanov]

There is no Palestine. It's all Israel.

[Jessica405]

@NikolaiIvanov There were lands, including the West Bank and Gaza, that were allocated as Arab lands. A fact that you cannot deny. True, it was not called Palestine, but was still allocated. Before 1947, there are old maps that name the whole area as Palestine. No mention of Israel. Another fact you cannot deny.

[NikolaiIvanov]

Israel is the land of Zion and the Jews belong there not in Europe not anywhere. Muslims belong in the heaven they choose to believe not on this earth.

[Jessica405]

@NikolaiIvanov That is all irrelevant.

[NikolaiIvanov]

I deem the UN charter on drafting the border as irrelevant because the ottoman empire was defeated so there should've been no land for muslims.

[NikolaiIvanov]

Britian and France should've colonised the entirety of it rather than just steal the resources and walk off.

[7771999]

Point is, if you ain't White I don't give a shite

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@7771999: The so called fake Jews are European whites though.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@7771999: They look completely white to me.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@7771999: Some are. Ivanka Trump converted to be a Jew and her husband is a jew.

[7771999]

Doesn't make her a biological Jew

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@7771999: Biological Hebrew like King David, Solomon etc ceased to exist once ancient Israel spilt into two kingdoms and the 12 tribes were gone.

Only fake jews from Europe who practice a trash religion and worship a false god exist now.

[na2398]

@NikolaiIvanov Greetings to Sweden from India. We love Europe! :) Drive all the illegal immigrants out! One particular community has been wreaking havoc there. My heart goes out to Sweden and the rest of Europe.

[NikolaiIvanov]

@na2398 I don't like anyone who isn't European living in Europe including your people. European immigrants don't commit crimes nor do they rape women and later testify in court for false allegations of racism and desperation. I'm also a member of an inferior race but only half since I'm half north Germanic and half slavic.

[na2398]

@NikolaiIvanov Well, thanks for generalising. A small fraction of my nation's population made you generalise. That is flabbergasting. Unlike the Middle-Eastern immigrants, we don't cause any trouble to the EU. Lol!

[NikolaiIvanov]

Fuck the EU. That's the reason we have so many undesirable people what is was signed up for was free trade not tyranny.

[7771999]

May the EU burn in hell

[007kingifrit]

@7771999 its a really fascinating story but the modern palestinian identity was invented by the nazi post ww2; many nazi officers escaped to the middle east and helped build arab armies to fight israel

[007kingifrit]

@Jessica405 the 1947 arrangement is no longer valid as the palestinians and arabs attacked israel after that, they lost a war and thus they lose territory

that's the law of nature

[ibodi]

look like I support Palestine, although I think that can't solve under the present system.
and I think Christian is hard to get along with in the end.

[JamieLoves]

LOL 😂

[Pogi-Paddy-2]

Palestine because prior to the year of 1949, the same borders of the current Israel, it was known as Palestine. Even in bibles printed before 1949 the maps inside bibles showed Palestine NOT Israel.

[tartaarsaus]

Technically speaking it was the British Mandate before 1949, which means it was British territory. Before that it was Ottoman.

In fact, it was designated similar to Palestine by the Romans after a revolt by the Jews, after which they attempted to remove the Jewish civilization there from history hence renaming it

[007kingifrit]

that's both untrue and a stupid reason. jews won the land in war. it is theirs now

[AkshiJanjua]

One side supports terrorism and genocide
Other side supports human oppression, murder and ethnic cleansing
Both seem the same to me

[ManHater]

Isreal because I know supporting muslim terrorists is not a good choice. Might as well join ISIS if you want a muslim to run the show.

[MrNameless]

islamaphobic much?

[ManHater]

@MrNameless ALLAH AKBAR! "CUT OFF HEAD MUCH?"

[007kingifrit]

@MrNameless its logical to fear islam. thus it is not a phobia

[ManHater]

@007kingifrit It's easier to shoot and kill those who instill fear in you. Aka A muslim terrorists it's ok to shoot and kill right?

[007kingifrit]

yes. its ok to kill those who are incompatible with our world views as we cannot live peacefully with them

[g0dof_GaG]

@ManHater just because they're Arab doesn't mean they're terrorists. A lot of innocent people minding their own business are being killed in these conflicts. What Israel is doing is barely any different from ISIS

[ManHater]

@g0dof_GaG just with your muslims were a little pro active in routing out your terrorists rather than protect them in your communities.

[Anonymous]

I don’t care either way as long as the US doesn’t send troops. The New York Jews supported Biden and this is what they get. No war for Jews! They don’t even join the US Army, no war!

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Most Jews are hard liberals.

[Opinion Owner]

That’s right, so let them go fight for Israel. They should have supported Trump but they went with Biden out of habit. Fine. Biden won’t save the Israeli’s, neither will the Democrat Party. One Dem told me there are more Muslims than Jews so there are more votes that will come from Muslims. No conservative Christians should die for Israel.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Christians shouldn't support Israel. These people in Israel according to the statistics if I remember correctly around 58% of them are atheist or agnostics and don't love and mock Jesus Christ. Screw them. Fight the crazy Muslims alone. 🤷‍♂️

[collie22]

seems they both have valid reasons for not getting along. i wish they could

[tartaarsaus]

The only realistic solution to this conflict is a two-state solution.

[007kingifrit]

impossible; not only do palestinians flat out refuse that solution (they want to wipe out israel)

but israeli arab allies across the entire middle east also warn israel they will not support such a plan. palestinians getting their own state would encourage ethnic minorities in other arab countries to seek their own independent state

[mrkdvsn]

I've always been on the side of the innocent Palestinian people, ever since I've been listening to TruNews dot Com talking about this issue

[007kingifrit]

you obviously don't have a very good news source. palestinians are the bad guys. the official slogan of their leadership (hamas) is "we like death more than jews like life"

[mrkdvsn]

@007kingifrit The news site I listed is IMHO the best most truthful source I've ever come across. And I've been with them since around 2000. They reveal things that the Main Stream either ignores or hides.

[_no_one_]

Heard many bad things about both sides, not sure which to buy.

[TwoToTooTutu2]

I'm not a fan of either of them, but Isreal is a strategic American Ally.

[007kingifrit]

that's a geopolitically sound way of reasoning, emotionally detached analysis is good for our long term interests

[g0dof_GaG]

The alliance between Israel and America makes no sense to me other than zionist ideological paranoia.

[007kingifrit]

@g0dof_GaG makes no sense? israel shares our language, culture, history. we have the same enemies. israel shares intelligence on terrorists with us, and above all they build our military tech for us

[g0dof_GaG]

@007kingifrit uh no Israel is trying to revive Hebrew and is devoutly Jewish that is absolutely NOT the majority of the US. Israel is small and constantly in danger sucking away American funds for what purpose? There is no reason I can rationalize even oil doesn’t make sense because Israel has no oil

[007kingifrit]

@g0dof_GaG israelis speak English, basically all of them

jews and christians are the same thing to me, same history, same culture, same understanding of the world

[7771999]

I'm on neither. But if I have to choose, it'll be Palestine

[pokerbot]

I prefer not to take sides on the issue. If common ground can't be found the conflict will continue until everyone is dead from climate change.

[007kingifrit]

please don't be a science denier; there are no models of climate change that predict "everyone will be dead"

[pokerbot]

@007kingifrit That's because they don't project far enough into the future.

[007kingifrit]

then if the scientists aren't saying it... how would you make a statement like that with any certainty? you're obviously not a scientist

[pokerbot]

@007kingifrit That's right, I'm not. But most scientists agree that at a certain point the "greenhouse effect" becomes self-perpetuating and irreversible.

[007kingifrit]

no they don't. no scientists think that. they don't have models with any accuracy for the future. so they don't get to have opinions on it

if they do... then they aren't scientists

[CaptainSmartass]

I don't really support either side. I don't have a horse in this race, so to speak.

Simples...

[007kingifrit]

yes you do. if israel ever loses the arabs will turn their aggressio back to Europe. plus the iranians will exert more terrorism abroad too as they will have a greater foothold in the region

this stuff affects you

[JamesRandiDebates]

M any conflict where Israel is a participant, I root for the other side.

[007kingifrit]

found the jew hater

[JamesRandiDebates]

@007kingifrit Israel hater