Why are there US funded Biolabs in Ukraine? Was Russia saying the truth about USA? Doesn’t this prove this was all USA’s fault?

[Anonymous]

So Russia had earlier claimed that the only purpose for their ‘invasion’ in Ukraine was to disarm Ukraine of the potentially harmful weapons they possessed.

And now this claim has been confirmed by USA as well. State Department official Victoria Nuland was asked whether Ukraine has bioweapons. “Ukraine has biological research facilities, which in fact we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to gain control of”, she stated to the US lawmakers on March 8.

“We are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach”, she added.

Doesn’t this prove that USA are the real bad guys here? Why does the US always paint other countries as the villain?

Why does the US always destroy other countries and cause so many deaths of innocent people for their hunger of power?

[TheBigWhistle]

Every country possesses potentially harmful weapons. That's how they defend themselves when attacked and that's why they're called weapons. Ukraine used to be a nuclear power but they gave up all of their nukes in 1994 in return for promises from Russia that Russia would never invade them. That worked out well for them.

Many if not most countries have labs that conduct biological research for a variety of reasons. The U. S. offering to help prevent the research the Ukrainians are doing from falling into the hands of the Russians who will likely use it to hurt them does not in any way prove those labs were funded by the U. S or the U. S had any involvement with their operation.

And yes, Russia is the villain here. They have invaded an independent sovereign country, are indiscriminately dropping dumb bombs, leveling entire cities, killing civilians and bombing schools, apartment complexes and hospitals and likely committing war crimes because of the desire of one man to reassemble the Soviet Union to burnish his legacy.

I'm going to print out your question along with the additional comments you wrote and carry it with me. Whenever I run into someone who when talking about someone else, calls them "the dumbest person walking the face of the Earth", I'm just going to show them your question. I hope you are cool with that. TIA.

[Asker]

You’re a fucking idiot. You should’ve done some research but no! 😂 And now you’re just embarrassing yourself with your lack of knowledge on the subject.

The US government’s embassy in Ukraine had CONFIRMED US funded research programs in Ukraine that work on ‘world’s most dangerous pathogens’.

[Asker]

And they gave up nukes in return for protection not for the promise of ‘not invading’ Mr. Dimwit😂

And so have you. You have also invaded multiple sovereign countries in history. You talk about civilian deaths you hypocrite? Your country goddamn nuked Japan. Did ANYONE ever cause that much destruction of innocent human lives? No! Only USA.

Why do you want Ukraine to be part of NATO? Only because of your hunger for power! Why did you leave your military equipment in Afghanistan? So that the Taliban can use those!

You are the biggest bullies of the world. But very soon when some other country becomes a superpower, you’ll start kissing upto them.

[TheBigWhistle]

Wow, insults?

Wasn't it you who just said "Rather than making a valid point to prove yourself you start throwing insults. People who lack knowledge always do this."? So instead of addressing the detailed response I gave you and the valid points I made, you call me a name and just make up some bullshit about what you claim the U. S. embassy "confirmed" which of course is not true.

Honest question. How many people do you need help from to dress and feed yourself each day. 2? 3? more? Do they make you wear a helmet when you're in your room so you won't hurt yourself?

Here, read some actual facts about this bullshit claim.

www.newsweek.com/us-biological-weapons-ukraine-labs-germ-warfare-1685956

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[Asker]

No you did not reply to my points. You are just pushing your narrative. Answer me, you talk about Russia invading a sovereign country and taking innocent lives.

How many times have you done that? Just answer that question. Japan, Libya, Iran, Afghanistan, Vietnam. Countless examples.

And you called it conspiracy theories and said Russia is making up false claims of biolabs but you acknowledged the existence of biolabs. That proves Russia was right. Why did you lie then?

[Asker]

Biological weapons to defend themselves? Are you stupid or what? Did your mom even sent you to school?

Biolgical weapons aren’t used for self defense you dumb moron. They are considered as WMDs (Weapons of Mass Destruction). Those weapons were one of the reasons you went after Saddam in Iraq you fool.

[TheBigWhistle]

You're criticizing the US for bombing Japan who attacked us unprovoked at Pearl Harbor and declared war on us? You blame us for attacking countries that funded the terrorists who hijacked 4 planes and killed 4000 innocent people?

This bullshit about Biolabs is Russian propaganda they've been pushing for years. Most countries have Biolabs. It doesn't mean they are being used to develop Biological weapons. Read the Newsweek article if you are capable of reading without assistance.

I've come across some monumentally stupid people on social media but you my friend, are truly in a class all by yourself.

[Asker]

So? Was it the civilians’ fault? Did the civilians attack you in pearl harbour?

You also killed thousands of civilians in all those countries. You LITERALLY supplied weapons to those terrorist Mujahideens. The Taliban and Osama Bin Laden was one of them. You literally gave birth to Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. And all the americans admit it!

Right there you proved that you have monkey poop for brains my friend😂 If they do NOT have Bioweapons then why are you people worried about those falling into Russian hands?

First you say that there are no bioweapons and then you are afraid that those biofacilities will fall into Russian hands. Doesn’t add up, doesn’t it sound suspicious to you?

And REALLY? The STUPID IDIOT who just said a couple minutes ago that Ukraine possesses bioweapons to DEFEND themselves is calling other people stupid?😂 Really?

You just claimed a couple minutes ago that Ukraine posseses bioweapons to ‘defend’ themselves. Isn’t that enough to prove that you have zero brain cells?😂

[TheBigWhistle]

I said they possess weapons. Harmful weapons which all weapons basically are. I never said they had bioweapons, you fucking imbecile.

[Asker]

When I said Ukraine has bioweapons. Your reply to that was “ Every country possesses potentially harmful weapons. That's how they defend themselves when attacked and that's why they're called weapons.”

Yep that definitely means that you approve of them possessing Bioweapons.

Now that you know you said something stupid, you’re trying to backtrack😂

Nvm, if I already knew you only had 7 brain cells I wouldn’t have argued with you in the first place.

[TheBigWhistle]

You are clinically insane. You clearly need to be institutionalized.

[Asker]

That’s what I meant when I said insults without any counter argument. Do you even know what biological weapons are? Do you know what WMDs are?

This is what you just said about Ukraine possessing bioweapons “Every country possesses potentially harmful weapons. That's how they defend themselves when attacked and that's why they're called weapons.”

Really? And you are still arguing with me and saying I am insane? Seriously, you first say THAT and then call someone else insane?

Wow!! You need help. Go ask your mom for help

[Asker]

You know what? I’ll select your opinion as MHO😂

I cannot believe how stupid the Americans are! You literally just revealed your own secret bioweapons lab to the whole world😂 If you were really going to commit a crime, at least keep it a secret.

If you want to know how stupid Americans are! Just watch this video : https://youtu.be/kRh1zXFKC_o

This video officially proves that Americans are the dumbest people on earth😂

[Dargil]

I am a MAGA guy.
The war in Ukraine is OUR and (NATO'S) fault. We surrounded Russia with new NATO members after the USSA folded. Ukraine was the breadbasket of the USSR and had the best warm water port in the USSR. Now Putin fears losing Ukraine to NATO membership. All we and Ukraine needed to do was promise not to become a NATO member and Russia would not have invaded.

The other reason we are at fault is because Democrats stole the election and left us with a weak, bumbling leader. They would not have invaded is Trump was president. He would have made a deal with Russia and Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

As much as I love my country (US), our gov’t has it’s hands in everything. They are not a representation of your average American. I’d question if these politicians are even American patriots at all. They seem to all profit off of the demise of America. Too many people are controlled by fear, that’s how they keep us in order. The news media is airing videos from years ago claiming this was the scene in Ukraine today. While I understand that yes there are things going on over there, the news media is making it worse by posting old videos. These people don’t care about us.

[KostasKouvalis]

The US wanted to experience with chemical weapons and Ukraine is a poor and corrupt country who will gladly take a large sum of money to look the other way

[RealMarek]

Victoria Nuland is one of the the key neocon idiots who created this mess. Given that all neoconservatives know how to do is escalate when they’re losing, we’ll be lucky if we get through this without having WW3 first.

[Asker]

So you’d rather have US quietly make illegal WMDs and keep it hidden from the rest of the world? Seriously?

[RealMarek]

No. I am saying it appears the US was doing this in Ukraine already and the people who started this dominate the state department. I believe we should have allowed eastern Europe to develop economically but let it be a neutral zone between Russia and the West.

[Anonymous]

Russia's claims for invasion are all lies. are you really stupid enough to believe every conspiracy theory you come across?

here's the real motive for putin's invasion.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/If61baWF4GE

[Asker]

Shut up already. You’re fucking stupid and these propagandist narratives are taking advantage of that.

It is officially a UN law. The people from Luhansk and Donetsk wanted to be liberated. They needed help and they officially requested Russia for help and then Russia liberated them.

What Russia is doing now has also been done countless more times by USA. Won’t you talk about that?

But don’t you change the topic. If the US is really the ‘good guy’ here, then why was the US lying? USA said it’s fake Russian claims but now the USA itself has confirmed that there are US funded biolabs in Ukraine. Why did US lie about that?

[Opinion Owner]

ok, so you're either a russian troll or a complete fucking idiot.

[TheBigWhistle]

@OpinionOwner Truthfully, I don't think the two choices you mentioned are mutually exclusive. But if I had to vote for one, his reply to you sealed the deal for "B"

[Asker]

That proves what a stupid moron you are. Rather than making a valid point to prove yourself you start throwing insults. People who lack knowledge always do this.

You don’t know anything about Ukraine and Russian history so you simply get blindly manipulated by whatever your favourite media houses tell you.

[Asker]

Biological weapons to defend themselves? Are you stupid or what? Did your mom even sent you to school?

Biolgical weapons aren’t used for self defense you dumb moron. They are considered as WMDs (Weapons of Mass Destruction). Those weapons were one of the reasons you went after Saddam in Iraq you fool.

[DCooper]

Hmmm, I don't really trust Russia's Pravda any more than New York City's Pravda. On the other hand, I wouldn't put it past them either. And we do have Victoria Neuland (sp?) admitting to it on video...

[Anonymous]

Doesn't matter what's in those labs, Russia still wouldn't be in the right. I expect there is research going on, not necessarily for weapons. But Russia obviously knew about the existence of these labs and the funding beforehand, and used them to craft a narrative. Given that Fauci funded the Wuhan virus gain of function research, I could see the US being into some shit in Ukraine, but you don't handle possible bioweapons with invasion. If they had evidence then they could have shown the world and let the US be the bad guy. Instead Russia are the ones that got a world of sanctions.

[Asker]

Shown the evidence to the world? You’re a fucking idiot. Do you think the world would do anything to USA just because of that evidence?

80% of the world and the damn UNO are pawns of USA.

[Opinion Owner]

Even if that was true, he would still float that information before invading. It would make him look at lot better. No, I think the bio weapon story is plan B. It’s all about public perception, it doesn’t matter if nothing would happen to the US from the people in power, the public would be much less supportive of the US. By invading, Putin validated everyone’s fears about Russia. “Don’t join NATO or we’ll invade” is a very good reason to join NATO.

[abc3643]

Don't be ridiculous.
Learn your treaty history.
en.wikipedia.org/.../Biological_Weapons_Convention

The US helps fund a lot of things.
Don't fall for the GOP / Russian propaganda.

[abc3643]

www.nytimes.com/.../...ukraine-misinformation.html

TITLE: Theory About U. S.-Funded Bioweapons Labs in Ukraine Is Unfounded
Linda Qiu
March 11, 2022

WASHINGTON — Prominent social media users and conservative voices have amplified a baseless theory promoted by Russian state media accusing the United States of funding biological weapons laboratories in Ukraine.

There is no evidence to support the claims, which President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, the White House, the Pentagon and the State Department have all unequivocally denied.

There are biological laboratories inside Ukraine, and since 2005, the United States has provided backing to a number of institutions to prevent the production of biological weapons. But Tucker Carlson, the Fox News host, and others have misleadingly cited remarks from American officials as proof that the labs are producing or conducting research on biological weapons.

“Out of nowhere, the Biden official in charge of Ukraine confirmed the story,” Mr. Carlson said on his program Thursday night. “Victoria Nuland, the under secretary of state, casually mentioned in a Senate hearing on Tuesday that actually, yes, the Biden administration does fund a series of biolabs in Ukraine.”

Representative Thomas Massie, Republican of Kentucky, characterized Ms. Nuland’s remarks as a “serious admission.” Donald Trump Jr., the son of the former president, tweeted that her comments propelled the claim from “conspiracy theory to fact.”

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[abc3643]

Mr. Carlson also pointed to an interview with Robert Pope, the director of the Pentagon’s Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, which helps countries in the former Soviet Union secure or eliminate nuclear and chemical weapons.

“As Pope put it, scientists are scientists, they don’t want to destroy all the bioweapons,” Mr. Carlson continued in his segment. “Instead, they’re using them to conduct new bioweapons research — that’s what he said.”

Mr. Carlson mischaracterized those remarks from Ms. Nuland and Mr. Pope.

In congressional testimony this week, Ms. Nuland, the under secretary of state for political affairs, was asked by Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida, whether Ukraine has chemical or biological weapons.

“Ukraine has biological research facilities which, in fact, we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to gain control of,” she responded. “So we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach.”

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If there were a biological or chemical weapon attack inside Ukraine, Mr. Rubio asked, would there be any doubt that Russia was behind it?

“There is no doubt in my mind, Senator, and it is classic Russian technique to blame the other guy what they’re planning to do themselves,” Ms. Nuland responded.

The State Department said Ms. Nuland was referring to Ukrainian diagnostic and biodefense laboratories during her testimony, which are different from biological weapons facilities. Rather, these biodefense laboratories counter biological threats throughout the country, the department said.

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[abc3643]

Mr. Rubio made the same clarification in another congressional hearing on Thursday, noting that “there’s a difference between a bioweapons facility and one that’s doing research.”

In referring to Mr. Pope on Thursday, Mr. Carlson was distorting a February interview Mr. Pope gave to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, a nonprofit organization and publication.

Mr. Pope had warned that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine may damage laboratories in the country that conduct research and disease surveillance and are supported by the United States. He noted that some of the facilities may contain pathogens once used for Soviet-era bioweapons programs, but he emphasized that the Ukrainian labs currently did not have the ability to manufacture bioweapons.

“There is no place that still has any of the sort of infrastructure for researching or producing biological weapons,” Mr. Pope said. “Scientists being scientists, it wouldn’t surprise me if some of these strain collections in some of these laboratories still have pathogen strains that go all the way back to the origins of that program.”

In a March interview with the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, Mr. Pope also echoed Ms. Nuland’s concerns about the laboratories falling into Russia’s hands. He spoke specifically about the Pentagon’s support of 14 veterinary laboratories that provide Ukraine with sampling and diagnostic abilities to detect infectious diseases.

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[abc3643]

“Should Russian forces occupy a city with one of these facilities, we are concerned that Russia will fabricate ‘evidence’ of nefarious activity in an attempt to lend credibility to their ongoing disinformation about these facilities,” he said.

The United Nations Security Council convened a meeting on Friday about Russia’s accusations concerning biological weapons in Ukraine. Izumi Nakamitsu, the U. N.’s high representative for disarmament affairs, said the United Nations was “not aware of any biological weapons programs.”

Both Ukraine and Russia have signed a treaty outlawing biological weapons. While there is no independent body that verifies countries are complying with the treaty, known as the Biological Weapons Convention, Ms. Nakamitsu noted that a concerned country could seek recourse or address suspicions about their peers in several ways, such as by reviewing annual reports and by lodging a complaint about possible breaches to the Security Council for investigation. That reporting mechanism, she pointed out, “has never been activated.”

For years, Russia has claimed that former Soviet countries were manufacturing biological weapons at laboratories funded by the United States. Experts and journalists have found no evidence for these claims.

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[abc3643]

Filippa Lentzos, an expert on biological threats at King’s College London, wrote in 2018 that she and other international experts had been given full access to the Lugar Center for Public Health Research, a laboratory in the nation of Georgia that receives funding from the United States.

“Our group observed nothing out of the ordinary, or that we wouldn’t expect to see in a legitimate facility of this sort,” Dr. Lentzos wrote.

Similarly, the crisis reporting outlet Coda Story was shown highly sensitive areas of the lab, including a “pathogen museum,” and reported that Russian journalists had also visited and Russian scientists had previously worked there.

“If this was a secret weapon facility, would we be so open to everyone?” the lab’s director told the publication.

[Asker]

@abc3643 C’mon just shut up already. Why did those labs house ‘world’s most dangerous’ pathogens as described by the US embassy if USA and Ukraine weren’t making bioweapons

[abc3643]

*sigh*
You are young which means these thinking weaknesses:
1. You are easily duped because...
2. You aren't old enough to:
A ) Get adequate practice thinking deeply...
B ) ... or doing due diligence
C ) You have little real experience to master human nature - something that takes decades to just get a handle on.

This does NOT mean that young people are stupid, but they are easily tricked. (*)

OK, now I will answer your question which you didn't know the answer to because you are young and lack experience:

Q: "Why did those labs house ‘world’s most dangerous’ pathogens as described by the US embassy if USA and Ukraine weren’t making bioweapons?"

For the same reason, we and a shitload of other countries do: You keep pathogens like that around for medical research purposes. New pathogens are often mutations of existing pathogens. Also, though, for developing threat neutralization measures against potential ENEMY bioweapons. (**)

Sadly, I cannot find a clip, but, near the end of the excellent 2011 movie "Contagion", we see the fictional MEV-1 virus being stored in liquid nitrogen right next to other famous lethal viruses.
You really should see that movie.

Also, just to illustrate what I was saying about storing lethal pathogens, learn about Plum Island.
www.dhs.gov/.../plum-island-animal-disease-center

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[abc3643]

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(*)
LEARN THIS: Young people are prey for older people. It has always been this way and is a fundamental axiom of capitalism because it is easier to separate young people from their money than older people. Partly, this is because young people have less fiscal responsibility, but, more so, due to lack of experience, so they easily fall for new things and wasteful spending.
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In the defense industry, you have two kinds of people:
1) Those coming up with new ideas for new kinds of weapons.
2) Those coming up with new ideas for defeating what that first group came up with.
30 years ago, I worked in an organization that did just that.

So, in the case of bioweapons, you want nasty shit around to develop protections from them.

It's sort of summarized in "The Godfather, Part II":

"Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer."

[abc3643]

(**) In the defense industry, ...

[abc3643]

Hey, this is good and sort of echoes what I was saying...

www.dhs.gov/.../national-biodefense-analysis-and-countermeasures-center
National Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasures Center

...
Biodefense homeland security missions require special attention to safety, security, and regulatory requirements, and NBACC is committed to maintaining a culture of safety. Its fully accredited, state-of-the-art lab facilities are at the biosafety levels (BSL) 2, 3, and 4, providing the highest standards of safety and experimental capability available. Its BSL-4 accreditation allows NBACC to perform R&D on pathogens for which no vaccine or treatment exists and makes it one of seven such facilities in the United States.
...

www.dhs.gov/publication/st-nbacc-fact-sheet
National Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasures Center (NBACC) Fact Sheet

The National Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasures Center (NBACC) is the first national laboratory created by the Department of Homeland Security. NBACC addresses unmet needs in homeland security and provides a continuously available national security biocontainment laboratory capability for newly identified biological threats. NBACC’s mission is to provide the scientific basis for the characterization of biological threats and bioforensic analysis to support attribution of their planned or actual use. NBACC components include the National Bioforensic Analysis Center (NBFAC) and the National Biological Threat Characterization Center (NBTCC).

[Anonymous]

I'm pretty good at spotting bullshit. To be honest, I don't know what to believe right now because I smell bullshit from all directions on this one. I try to always root for the good guys, but I don't see any here.