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Another pro-lifer... sigh. There's nothing wrong with pro-choice people. We don't believe in forcing women to go through pregnancies against their will. They're carrying fetuses that aren't conscious human beings.
yes another pro lifer. Sucks that people actually think for themselves right?
There's no force being applied when a woman is pregnant. It's a natural occurrence, the only force that's happening is when you FORCE a vacuum up your hoohah and shred that baby into peices and suck it up a tube. Don't confuse what "force" means you silly goose.
Ok so can a woman have an abortion up to the last minute? When does life start for you? The law prosecuted people who murder pregnant women with double murder. Should that be changed?
When you take away someone's right to control their own bodies, and enforce your own sensibilities onto them without their permission or consent, yes it is forced.
Those laws only kick in when the fetus is deemed viable outside the womb, when abortions can't even be legally done unless it's a medical emergency. Nice try.
How did the fetus (baby) get in there?
@Creampiekarl420 Karl killing em softly. 0 accountability child-women. Yesss
@patriceoneal she has already exposed herself for not being a misanthropist and a pervert
www.medicinenet.com/abortion/definition.htm
Correct, imagine that, complexity of thought. Believe it or not one can compartmentalize personal beliefs and rational thoughts.
@Creampiekarl420 only gen z could virtue signal as nihilist or misanthropic as if it were an enviable trait. Fucking pathetic.
@yofuknutz stuff like this is why
@Agape93 please name your first born Organism š
I actually just NOW wrote a response to this, but it was literally too long to fit onto here. So if anyone really cares, here's my MyTake response to this question.
I also wrote another MyTake before to this issue. But the TL;DR is:
Either DO something more than bitch on the internet about what other mothers should do with their children and actually HELP them raise these children, or shut the fuck up and worry about your own life if all you're going to do is bitch about abortion being "baby murder" or some other retarded, low IQ bullshit.
HeLp mOtHeRS rAiSe ThEyRE cHiLDrEN.
No idiot. That's not our responsibility it's her and her partners. Wake up you're a blue pill sheep.
If you're not going to do anything, take your own advice then, shut the fuck up, and stay out of other people's shit then.
I'm a "sheep" because I don't listen to the same religious dogma bullshit you've heard parroted by hundreds of other people, including "blue pill", you walking pile of projection.
@mcheetah ididnt realize you had responded but this is hardly worth a response. I still don't think it's societies responsibility to raise children. Glaring evidence in real life society where single mothers rule and society capitulates. Your argument sucks big ol asshole. Gen z record suicide rates mean anything to you? Why can't I use blue pill as a term when you fit the mold so tightly?
Yes because it basically allows women ( I say sarcastically because this is how little girls act a woman is mature enough for sex to deal with the consequences) to have all the sex they want without consequences to them their lifestyle is more important than peoples lives
Spot on, sir. Thank you.
Knowing that I'm someone who's pro-choice, I'd say no. Being "pro-life" is just being "pro-birth" and "anti-woman". You're forcing women to go through with birth that they don't want. Pregnancy takes a massive toll on a woman's body and well-being and saying that women should have to put their bodies through that is purely sadistic.
Saying "pro-life" and "anti-life" is kinda just exaggerating. Cause it obviously puts one group in the fairest light. 🥱🥱
All the women with feminazi names are in line with every feminist policy and agenda.. Saying "pro-choice" puts one group in the fairest light. Which is why it needs to be corrected since that isn't the argument being made. The attempts to confuse the argument is only done by those in favor of blindly ending life so why not anti-life? It's not an exaggeration for the pro-lifers. "Pregnancy is putting a massive toll on a woman's body" this ideology would have you believe the miracle of life and the most important thing a woman will do is in fact distasteful and should be avoided. A loving family and nurturing household for children? Who needs it! Men just want to control us and make us chattle!
It's complete bs and isn't believed by most women in the world. But if you didn't need help why would you keep voting democrat? So they keep telling you how hard your life is as an American woman.. and you all take that victimhood roll (feminists) rather than face the real world.
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@PatriceONeal you know being pro-choice is:
Pro few dead women due to miscarriage
Pro better women's physical health
Pro better women's mental health
Pro few children the overcrowded foster care system
Pro more happy kids
Pro more loveing family
Pro better quality of life.
Mean while pro life is:
Pro dead women
Pro taking a miscarriage to full trem
Pro more kids in foster care
Pro forcing rape victims to have living reminder of their trauma
Pro forcing children to have deal with the fact they are the product of a rape
Pro more child abuse and neglect
Pro domestic abuse
Am i supposed to take you seriously? You are wearing a fedora, you are a loser. You are the typical beta male biden supporting, trump hating subhuman. Nobody respects you. You defend women blindly so they will talk to you. Nothing of what you say is true. You spread lies to further your own selfish interest of having women like you. Literally kill yourself.
They are sociopaths and psychopaths.. Seriously they use the exact same excuses to kill babies that Hitler used to justify the extermination of the jews. Look it up some time, it's disgusting.
Link me something I'll look tonight. Sounds interesting and plausible. You see a lot of parallels to the Hitler youth and gen z.
I'm pro-life, but you are doing many of them a disservice. You people who believe something wrong, whether on this issue or any other, are actually evil. And to paint them with such a broad brush is tribalistic and narrow-minded
How?
I'm evil for having convictions? I guess all humans are evil. We're making progress.
The sinner isn't allowing civil discourse, even playing field, rational logical reasoning, and uses shame tactics and lying to defend their misguided belief. Their claim to ignorance was thrown out the window when they decided to be closed minded and shame strangers in the exact way you just explained. These same women hate trump and people who support him. And its not the sin they hate, which would be the beliefs and policies ots the sinner, conservatives. So don't profile or attempt to categorize me like they all try to.
You couldn't even read what I just wrote? Or even try to acknowledge it?
They aren't loving the sinner. I have no obligation to love them.. love thy enemy is completely misguided and a serf-like belief.
Reply yo this:
The sinner isn't allowing civil discourse, even playing field, rational logical reasoning, and uses shame tactics and lying to defend their misguided belief. Their claim to ignorance was thrown out the window when they decided to be closed minded and shame strangers in the exact way you just explained. These same women hate trump and people who support him. And its not the sin they hate, which would be the beliefs and policies ots the sinner, conservatives. So don't profile or attempt to categorize me like they all try to.
Loving thy enemy? No. That's just religious bullshit to make you believe in the 10 commandments. We don't need to fear hell in order to act morally. See: civilized atheists.
You can love your enemy, and I'll destroy mine. You're putting yourself in a vulnerable spot unnecessarily. It's pure niaivete.
And you are by ignoring what I'm telling you and saying 1 measly pethetic sentence? You're a joke and shouldn't ever speak out loud around people.
So your position is what exactly?
because women have a special place in your heart and you can't hold them responsible as you would a man. you're the reason amber heard's are allowed to flourish, coward.
Hypocrite says what?
I'm pro-life, but you are doing many of them a disservice. You people who believe something wrong, whether on this issue or any other, are actually evil. And to paint them with such a broad brush is tribalistic and narrow-minded
Loving thy enemy is a naive religious dogmatic thought process. I kill and hate my enemies, i don't love them. A fool loves being victimized. Don't be that fool.
Anti-life? You mean the ones who only care about them when they are pre-birth, but then ignore them once the life is actually realized?
Yeah, they are pretty sickening tbh.
So you ignore my question and started talking about child welfare? Try and stay on topic sweetheart.
by the way who gets that welfare? You women are collecting it. And look how trash our kids have become. you're not using welfare on your kids, Gen z is the product of the welfare you care so much about. You women clearly waste it all and don't give a shit about your kids.
I answered your question about anti-lifers and how they make me sick. I didnāt know I was obligated to answer both. I donāt see you calling out anybody else who didnāt directly answer your questions. Why do you have an issue when I do it?
Really? You want to demand that women give birth, but you donāt think we should talk about how to care for those children after they are born?
You donāt believe their well-being after birth is important?
And saying āyou womenā donāt give a shit about your kids is just you talking bullshit you made up in your head, and will be dismissed as such.
Sweetheart
You are creating a strawman argument that I don't have any obligation to defend.
Women dont give a shit about their kids. T you only need to take in account the abuse of the welfare state and gen z having record high suicide rates. Pretty good rationale if you ask me. Nobody is calling on you specifically why are you so vain? Oh right you're a woman. Of you want to ask a quation you're on the right site to do so. Answer my question and don't move the goalposts becuase you are weak in this area. If you want to talk welfare I'd be happy to do that once you've shown me the respect to answer my question.. respect is give and take sweetheart.
Youāre partially right. I did strawman your question, but it was done sarcastically. I thought the tone was evident. š¤·āāļø
I still donāt see you taking anybody else to task for not fully answering your questions. Why is it so important for me to do it?
Iām sorry, but when you say āyou womenā Iām going to have to assume Iām included. I mean, as you so brilliantly pointed out, āOh right you're a woman.ā How could I not take āyou womenā personally? Like holy fuck dude. š¤¦š¼āāļø
All I can say is Iām sorry the women in your life never showed you that loving mothers exist, but they do. I personally know many.
To be perfectly honest, Iām not sure I can honestly answer your question truthfully. I donāt know what an āanti-liferā is.
Could you refrain from using such diarrhea mouthed responses such as, "All I can say is Iām sorry the women in your life never showed you that loving mothers exist, but they do."?
It's probably beneath you to stoop this pathetically low to win an argument for the right to end a baby's life. Don't you think?
You're the only person answering like a toddler so I responded to you. Holding you to task is a bit of a reach. Just answer and talk like an adult. Instead of conflating arguments and premises like you've been so well trained to do.
Do you realize your initial response wasn't an answer at all to my question? But was you changing it into a strawman about my position.
I think I'm getting dumber talking to you..
@patriceoneal
LMAO
Iāll tell you what. I will stop āusing such diarrhea mouthed responsesā as soon as you do. You stop claiming that women donāt give a shit about their children, and I wonāt tell you how I believe your distain for women probably comes from the women in your life, like it does for most men who hate women.
Fair enough?
You seem oblivious to the fact that the wording of your question invites responses like mine. Calling people a made-up term like āanti-lifeā doesnāt invite respectful conversation, so spare me the pearl clutching. Itās was inflammatory, and it was your intention. No different then my calling your position anti-freedom.
Donāt blame your getting dumber on me. You are doing a fine job all by yourself.
Women dont give a shit about their kids. I know you're 15 and a dumb bitch but try reading slower and comprehend the take. You are a worthless human being, came in ignore the question entirely and push you're dipshit agenda. Get a life.
Seriously though, at 33, you shouldnāt be this much of a moron. You want an honest debate, post an honest question.
You want to be inflammatory, but whine like a little biotch when faced with a response thatās just as inflammatory.
Just so you know, when someone like you starts a sentence with āI know,ā it doesnāt really inspire much confidence that what follows is going to be factual.
But Iāll tell you what. If calling anonymous females online worthless humans somehow makes you feel better about yourself, I donāt mind in the least if you want me to be your outlet. You can call me whatever you wish. I donāt give a fuck. So if it helps boost your ego, even in the smallest amount, then give it all you got.
Sweetheart.
I calls em likes I sees em snowflake
Clearly, your observation skills are sorely lacking?
It is an honest question. Just becuase you got offended doesn't mean I'm not trying to learn. You shouldn't stay out of conversations you don't know anything about unless you're actually capable of asking and answering questions in good faith. Which you haven't. I KNOW you're a liberal feminist woman who just regurgitates everything cnn tells you to.
You blocked me because you are weak. Nice job cancel culture scum.
If you are pro abortion because a kid might have a shitty life than you should be for the killing of kids who were already born and have a shitty.
Try being consistent with your logic.
And I'm sure they feel the same way about your views.
Really great response man. Thanks so much for your input. Highly intelligent and well thought out argument.
If that's not sarcasm, thanks! š„°
If it is, I'm not passionate enough about this subject to want to do that. But no matter how equipt or passionate I hypothetically could be, it will always remain an argument on morality. And morality is subjective. So whoever is capable of having emotions is right. And then if the majority of apes in a group agree, then it becomes a norm.
So mob mentality? That's pretty dangerous.
Just think how many genocides have been committed thrughout history with the right mixture of groupthink, arrogance, and fear. Not discounting the millions of black babies killed off by planned parenthood.
What's an anti-lifer? Someone that goes around killing people? Someone that thinks murder shouldn't warrant a life sentence in jail? Someone that refuses to use a life jacket in a boat? Someone that hates Life Savers candy?
54 yr old male feminists make up a large chunk I bet.
A large chunk of what? Why do they HAVE to be 54 years old? Who said anything about feminists?
You tell me? you're a boomer who is a 54 yr old who is feminist... why are you this way?
You think you've got ALL the answers so, you come up with your OWN answers to this "question" you can't even ask!!
Are you okay?
I dont think i have all the answers, thats the secret to gainging more answers is to assume you know nothing. I do however know many things, many more things than you normies. Which isn't really an accomplishment to tread water.
I think most "prolife" people stop caring the moment of birth tbh. And before any of you bring up christianity, the bible has a recipe for how to abort the fetus of a cheater. The "prolife" movement in its modern form effectively didn't exist until relatively recently in history. It is a political tool used to convince single issue tools to vote for a certain morally bankrupt political party and nothing more.
"Stops caring after birth argument"
Nice Marxist professor you had, and I'm not exactly sure when the conversation about killing babies turned into social welfare programs for children but okay. Cute. Then to categorized pro-lifers as single issue tools is pretty ignorant. That all coming from a likely never Trumper far left socialist reject is almost enough to make your cat laugh. Please tell us more about bernie sanders and feminism you dolt.
Oh it didn't exist iluntil relatively recently? The prolife started right when abortion become cool. Pro life didn't need to exist before people were openly murdering babies inside them.. what an idiot.
If you're going to force a woman to carry to term because you care about life, you dont get to just drop them like a hot potato after theyre capable of surviving unassisted outside her body. The way you responded makes it pretty clear that you are in fact exactly the sort of person that stops caring the moment someone can breathe air.
As for calling you guys single issue voters, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you bucked the trend of being a racist shitstirrer as well.
I've already addressed this argument. Its a very old pro choice argument by the way.
A. Its not forcing. The abortion would be the force.. stop lying please.
B. We're talking about the abortion, not the social welfare programs that have been wasted and abused.
No. People who call pro-choice, "anti-life" make me sick. Do continue your nonsensical, god fearing logic, little sheep.
I'm atheist. Fake god has nothing to do with it. Anything else to your reasoning?
Now that's really interesting. An atheist with zero logic. Never mind the "god-fearing" part then. Replace that with simply... "idiotic."
Imagine thinking you have the right to make a choice with what someone else does with their body when you don't even know them.
Abortion isn't a new concept either. People used to just leave the baby in the harshness of the wilderness or just put the baby out of its misery right after birth. And it's fine to do that because the baby is at a phase of zero awareness. It doesn't even know what is going on. Nowadays, abortion is even more humane, making sure that they end the life before it has the chance to experience anything.
You use the words "selfish" and "callous" when describing someone with pro-choice views. But those only apply to people that force their choice on others.
@HawkPerception These pro-lifers don't understand. Many of them are so quick to judge and they do want to force their beliefs on others. There's no point in arguing with them. It's difficult to reason with these people because they won't listen to reason.
@Cherry234 As you said, don't bother with him. He's a waste of human life. Don't let him bring you down to his level. He has the IQ of doorknob and the EI of a pebble.
Paco so smart way
I find it so hilarious when the democrat bought minorities all hop on board with feminism and socialism becuase they give them welfare. Such a sad life to be slaves in america.
@HawkPerception by your own logic we shouldn't be allowed to jail murderers and rapists. You sir are one of the dumbest individuals on this planet.
@Cherry234 wow some jiggaboo bitch wants to keep killing black men, shocker. Blackwomen are the worst women on the planet.
i think its fine to be pro choice
im very situational about it
if a woman's underage, been raped, incestous or anything i think its fine to get an abortion (if anything she probably should, being born in that situation hurts the whole family especially the baby so)
but in most situations i think its better to go with adoption
Rape accounts for less than 1% of abirtions..
Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions. So you can't use rape to justify murder. Sorry.
You're allowing a small percentage of occurances to effect real LAW. That's the subhuman part. Any clear thinking individual should agree. Why would adoption be better if it's just a medical procedure like they say? Why not calling murder? Why not homicide? Even if the baby is the result of rape it'd still murder. Arguing the definition of ending a human life, is also subhuman.
I;d love nothing more than to watch you die. I hope you say something like this to someone in real life, so they can kill you and improve our gene pool. You are the most disgusting humans on the planet. You will be remembered in history as a stain on our humanity.
Are you speaking to those who believe abortion is legal and ethical.. that it is not murderāļø
No just intelligent people please.
Usually it's about selfishness. Some people want to have a cake and to eat a cake at the same time.
Yeah they're murderers and should just own up to being low lifes
No, but I think it is wrong to terminate a pregnancy ten minutes befrore the baby is to be born.
It is both, along with the arrogance about their "rights".
Itās more selfish to make a woman go through a pregnancy that she doesnāt want to go through and then say fuck her and the baby after itās born
Wrong. Very wrong. Assuming you were right you didn't justify murder through a tough upbringing..
You can call it murder all you like but thatās not what it is
Look up the definition of homicide. Then think, why am I arguing the definition of ending an innocent life in favor of ending?
You telling me to look up the definition of homicide is irrelevant because thatās not what abortion is, thatās your opinion of what it is
Yes stick you're dumb head in the sand you cuck. Ignore reality because that's the only way women will talk to you. You should be aborted.
Lol okay incel
kill yourself
How anti-life of you to say that
Glad we can agree what antilife means.
In my state they are trying to push a āpost birthā abortion statute. If that isnāt murder than I donāt know what is.
They'll come up with a term and harass you for not using it.
This question can mean different things. Why not explain what you're talking about?
What exactly makes you sick to your stomache when you think about people openly and vehemently advocating for the wanted murder of helpless babies under the guise of social justice and "protecting a woman's Choice"
That's as specific as I can be.
See? Now that's how you ask a question. I was kind of joking around on this site about infanticide, and people said I was crazy. Now the dimocrats in America are talking about giving mothers 24 hours after birth to have the right to kill their babies. So who is the crazy person? I said it would happen, and they called me crazy. This has happened in other cultures and the loving mothers usually drown their babies in the bath tub.
They were running commercials with holloywood actresses pushing for up to the last minute "right to choose". Vomited in my mouth a little when I heard it.
All of the scumbags on this site hate Trump. Watch this clip and see who applauds and who doesn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXRTnD7JEWQ
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His rallys are like a rock concert but with no moshpits and with mostly well-meaning people. It's euphoric.
Just look who didn't give him a standing ovation.
Trumps the best lmao he literally looks down on them.
Nope. But prolifers do. Always sticking their nose where it doesn't belong ā like someone else's business. Who are you to judge, buddy?
I'm a person with a brain capable of judging women as evil of they murder their own child. Are you not capable of something so simple?
Nice try
Nice arguments just repat nice try becuase you're an intelligent women who's morally right in killing babies.
Haha okay
Pure evil and proud of it. This is the modern day female. Complete opposite of kind, caring or humanitarian. Not really women.
What the fuck is that? If they're antilife than there's a plan B.
Women have 42 different contraceptives and effectively use 0.
We can talk about selfishness and callousness without ever mentioning abortion. We live in a depraved society.
I am ignorant of the fact. Just what exactly are quote " Anti Lifers "?
Women that advocate for modern day child sacrifice
Men too
This makes about as much sense as the women you defend.
by the way you dont have to say "quote" when you add "quotations".
Abortion is healthcare ā every person should have the freedom to make their own decisions about pregnancy.
What about the body growing inside the woman? They don't get a choice? How's that not immoral?
What about the man who the woman gave her body over to willingly in the act of Sexual intercourse? Shouldn't he have a say? No? Only when the wamon's right to kill is threatened? Seems selfish to me especially when said women consider abortion to be a form of Healthcare
No thatās no oneās responsibility but your own abortion excuses bad behavior and is anti women
Abortion on demand is not healthcare.
A human life is killed via abortion... how is that healthcare?
Pregnancy decisions should be made before having sex itās that simple I do not want children right now so I donāt have sex and when I do I buy condoms birth control is your own personal responsibility
Make me sick? Nope. I don't feel anything towards them, be it good or bad!
Indifference is a great pathway to pathology
Pro Lifers are the scum of the earth trying to be the heroes. Who said anyone wanted you stabbing your ideas where they don't belong? It's none of your concern, so turn a blind eye and deal with it.
Is the idea of murder a new concept to you? Something that needs to be stabbed into you?
Oh trust me... murder is not a new concept... But you know the difference between this and murder is that killing a grown human being is someone who ACTUALLY has a life and connections built. And you know what? Some grown people deserve that anyway. And bringing in another topic to insult somebody with just really shows that you have no real argument.
Okay gen z. so when you were 1-19 how many "connections" do you have? Could you have been aborted? Your prefrontal cortex isn't finished developing till your mid 20s so potentially aborting college kids like yourself is perfectly sound by your standard.
What the hell is an "anti-lifer"?
You're 30 and can't figure this out bro?
You're 33 and can't figure out basic intellectual integrity, so you're in no position to criticize.
Explain what you just said? Basic intellectual integrity? Sounds great but use it... where did I not have "intellectual integrity"?
You hide behind euphemisms and think you don't lack it?
You're not telling me where I did not practice intellectually Integrity..
Where did I hide behind euphemisms? How about that one.
10 months and still nothing, typical democrat scum of the earth
Your persistence is admirable; your dishonesty is not.
What is an anti-lifer?
Opposite of pro life
@Amanda122 Okay
No, not really. Everyone is entitled to what they want to do with their own bodies and their own choices, for whatever reasoning they wish for.
Yes I agree. Besides harming another unique individual.. yhen we have laws to prevent that. You can't assault batter murder or otherwise hurt other humans.
Nope. Your can't harm me and I can't harm you even though we both have bodily autonomy. Learn about the subject before you offer your opinion that was given to you by social media.
Are you allowed to do ANYTHING though? Can you kill me? It's your body and your choice, right? No. Wrong. You can't hurt others.
You seem to misunderstand what I mean by your body and your choice and whatever your reasoning. It means to you have every right to do what you wish with your own body, as it is yours alone to control and dictate what is allowed to happen regarding it, even if that means stopping a pregnancy. It doesn't ultimately matter if she chooses to do so for medical reasons, or because of fear or financial constraints. Those are up to her and she doesn't need anyones approval.
I have my opinion based on what I feel to be correct in this world, based on the experiences of my loved ones, the beliefs of my religion and so on and so forth. But you are very welcome to your opinions on the matter, I am not here to convince you of anything, merely to explain my reasoned stance on the matter. I do understand the subject matter, I just happen to disagree with you, and that is ok as that is what a civil discourse is all about.
She can do ANYTHING with her body? I mean not everything eight? You do know there are limits? I'm not being hyperbolic.. she literally can't do certain things. Like harming another person for instance. This is where you lose me.
Nope. I am misanthropic.
Iād say weāre selfish to keeping bodily autonomy.
Bodily autonomy extends to everyone. Not solely to pregnant women.
"Bodily autonomy" the buzzword used by ALL the brainwashed libtards.
So the baby is an organ now?š¤
Do you think you started as an organ and became human inside your mothers womb?
Name your first born child, Organ. Then tell them why.
Read more than one book. You sound so impossibly stupid.
No? What does surgery have to do with child birth? Please answer this while sober since you have that admitted alcohol addiction problem...
You're the one who literally made that analogy. I don't drink, I respect myself. You puke on yourself.
No it's not. You have a drinking problem. And you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
You should go for a drive šŗ š
You still drunk? Mid day drunk?
Got a drink for that?
Few things in life are more pathetic to me than pro-lifers.
Becuase life right. Who wants that?
Dos your single mom train you to say that?
I have zero emotional attachment to a fetus.
Becuase you don't understand the embryonic process or its just easier than accepting the fact you are ending life?
Women who abort are selfish
You make me sick.
Anon cowards should rot
Yes it selfie
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