So…. Trump AND his lawyer confessed?

[OddBeMe]

“the files were kept in an office where Trump “frequently” had guests.”

[DaveJord]

So here is the deal... it doesn't matter to these people they don't care. Hillary did it, with her server...

The truth is that even if it was declassified the actual files and information in the files still are the property of the United States Government. Yes, even as the President of the United States you can declassify anything you want... but even then declassified information by standard practice and law is held for 10 years before being released to the public... and even then most of it is redacted. The reason for that is because once something has held a classification level, you have to hold it, because you can always reinstate the previously higher level of classification. Or you might of derivative classification levels with in the same document. Which means you can have unclassed, or declassed information within a Top Secret document. Unclassed information is information that never was given a classification, and declassed means it was classified at one time... so the information within a declassified document can still be considers sensitive information.

I mean you watched Jason Borne right? You had the Treadstone Program and Operation Blackbriar. Those were unclassed names, like code names. But the Program itself was Top-Secret, so anything related to Treadstone would have a derivative classification. Even if you declassed the Treadstone Program, Operation Blackbriar may still be a Top-Secret Operation, so before you released any information on Treadstone, you would have to look at Operation Blackbriar and consider if you want to declass that... because if you don't declass Blackbriar then you would have to redact anything within the Trentstone documents that possibly could expose Blackbriar. Then as you look at Blackbrir you have see if there is anything in Blackbriar that might expose other programs or operations.

So even for a President to say I want everything declassed as he walks out the door... its not set up like that. Its intentionally set up to prevent that from happen or every director, cabinet member or President could use their authority to declass anything they wanted as they left office and expose national secrets for profit or personal gain. Before who ever replaced them had time to review and approve the release of the information... which is why you have the DOJ mandated 10 year holding period.

But the problem is that any Trump lover out there will not accept this truth and they will come up with a smoke screen of excuse and accusations... because they all read the internet and nobody lies on the internet, right? They already have determined what they have chosen to believe and none of them are going to have their minds changed... because it is all lies. Let's be honest you can not argue with them either because they are probably right... we will never know the truth so it comes down to who you choose to want to believe Trump over anyone else.

I for one don't believe any of them myself to include Trump, Biden and whoever else and I don't care... because I will never know the real truth if there is even such a thing.

Bottom Line is this Trump had unauthorized information and/or government property at his personal residence. Even if he was once upon a time the president of the United States and he approved the declassification and Top Secret Information. He knows he can't legally do that... or he personally could of or would of released it himself through twitter or some other means.

[Twalli]

I'm not sure he knows he can't legally do that, or at least knew he couldn't. The issue isn't that he had them. The issue is that he claimed he returned all that he had, when he hadn't. If he took them and realized he coudln't and returned them, then there'd be no problem. He took them, returned some, and then claimed he didn't have any more. When more were found he claimed they were secure, and therefore admitted to haivng them and lying about it.

[DaveJord]

@Twalli That's want they, so one would think if its that simple then cuff him up right? He broke the law so do it? Nah, he will get away with it, because if he doesn't all the truth will come out... and nobody wants that... Trump or the rest. Well maybe Trump does because anything that might come back on him he'll lie about, a this nipple leech follower will suck it up like a calf from the utter.

They Government just want him to shut the fuck up, and he is going to want to stay out of jail. But he won't shut the fuck up or go to jail. So fuck it who cares. He got them all scared and 8ntimidated by capital in surrection so they all think there be blood in streets... the ain't going to jail

[NewsReader]

No confessions. Just more unanswered questions. This whole thing is more complex than originally thought. We will have to keep waiting. The photo of documents spread out on the floor is suspicious. Obviously Trump nor anyone else on his side would leave everything like that. Could be a setup. One question leads to another.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/justice-department-alleges-trump-attempted-to-obstruct-federal-probe-of-documents

[OddBeMe]

Of course the “shot” was setup. They had to redact some of it.

[Twalli]

Trump said that he didn't have the documents out like that, but by saying that he admitted he had the documents which he claimed he didn't have.

[OddBeMe]

@Twalli exactly.

[Amy10223]

Who knows who his “guests” were, and what kind of danger we’re in now. Those documents contained top secret stuff. So scary.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah. Hopefully our chinese spies werent compromised. Nuke codes can be changed.

[Amy10223]

He wasn’t friends with China. He loved Putin and Kim Jong

[Anonymous]

If this was to do with Hillary, the right would be all over this.

[888theGreat]

She did and was proven she covered it up by destroying drives and FBI covered for her and said don;t worry we got your back

[MikeInHawaii]

The right would be. The FBI and the liberal lap dog media would ignore it. Hillary Clinton had too secret files on a server in the bathroom.

I’d like to see them both in prison.

[888theGreat]

Trump had lock on doors and a lot of security. Hillary sent hers to all kind of people to see. Trump was President and she was Sec of State. No comparison , Trump is allowed , and she wasn't. Fat Berger was sneaking out documents for Hillary to sell

[DaveJord]

They are all crooks, just a matter of which crook you like or want to trust the most.

[Twalli]

@DaveJord Trump WAS allowed, he's not anymore and he claimed he didn't have them. Then he did, but they were secured.

[DaveJord]

@Twalli are suggesting Trumps a lair? 🙅‍♂️ duh of course he is... so? Doesn't change my response or perspective. The man will not go. to jail... period end of story.

[WindAtMyBack]

Trump - frequent guests

Hillary - millions and millions of Internet users

Media - downplays Hillary and creates a media frenzy with Trump

[dustybiker]

Awe. Sore spot - direct hit.

[dustybiker]

Do you think Trumps guests were innocent, random neighbors?

[OddBeMe]

@dustybiker one was a chinese spy

[dustybiker]

@OddBeMe Oh, that’s safe.

[Twalli]

Not proven conclusively.

[FilmGuy93]

Nah... at least, not conclusively. Reasonable measures taken to protect the secrecy of information aren't just about location; there are also questions about personnel, locks, information contents, etc.

[Surely]

Wouldn’t the person or people that spread them out on the floor and then took pictures of the Top Secret Documents. Now putting them on display for the world to see. Be guilty of improper handling of Top Secret Documents?

[OddBeMe]

Only if photoshop wasn't a thing.

[exitseven]

yeah, and where is the crime in letting somebody sit in the same room as a few boxes of declassified documents?

[OddBeMe]

1) putin spy
2) kim jong spy

[driven159]

top secret is serious business you don't play games with it

[Juxtapose]

At this point you have the FBI openly admitting they are avoiding prosecuting Hunter Biden and are acting on the behest of the executive branch.

[OddBeMe]

Has hunter been proven to have done anything?

[Juxtapose]

As much as it can be without actually going to court.

[OddBeMe]

Like biden daughter’s diary its always right wing rumors no evidence.

[Juxtapose]

That's because they won't fucking bring it to trial, the FBI is compromised and were told not to investigate.

[OddBeMe]

What is there to being to trial? We have trump illegally housing sensitive documents.

[OddBeMe]

*bring to trial

[front2back]

I am trying to care so hard, but I see the billions of dollars getting wasted every day either on some relief package (partly Trump's fault) or Defense spending and cease to care.

[Anonymous]

Lol the fact that you believe this dog and pony show never ceases to delight me.

[goaded]

The fact that you don't understand that those are stolen property makes me sad.

[OddBeMe]

@goaded if this were benghazi hed be masturbating

[goaded]

They'd have had some evidence!

[OddBeMe]

@goaded funny how DC prisons got overpopulated with Trump’s cronies but none of Hillary’s people went to jail

[goaded]

DEEEEP STAAATE!

[OddBeMe]

@goaded funny that the only prosecutions were of Trump’s swamp. Sorry q anon.

[DaveJord]

@agagagagaga I agree dog and pony show all the way! Its all going to end in a big nothing burger, like Hillary's Server, Russian Collusion and not Trump's nuclear secrets. No body will go to jail, because if some one did they would have to expose everything and that will never happen.

[OddBeMe]

@DaveJord how many people went to prison for russian collusion?

[DaveJord]

@OddBeMe. Not Trump... maybe they do get him this time since no longer tge man with finger on the button. But if they do or don't it doesn't matter.

[Twalli]

Also the classified documents he swore he didn't have were in boxes.

[dustybiker]

It’s where he kept the good whisky.

[dustybiker]

*whiskey (not even hit the bottle yet, today, myself)

[NathanDavis]

whiskers*

[dustybiker]

@NathanDavis Yeah. Them too.

[goaded]

The good stuff doesn't have an e.

[NathanDavis]

@goaded sex has an E right in the middle

[dustybiker]

@goaded Fair point. Trust thy instincts.
@NathanDavis lmao

[NathanDavis]

another one that is great and has an E...

EXQUISITE CUISINE... food

[goaded]

@NathanDavis Familee is good, too.

[NathanDavis]

@goaded ah yes... your bloodlinE

[dustybiker]

@NathanDavis I’ll just be over here swimming with the

[joeldalton]

None of that looks like nuclear secrets.

[goaded]

Because you totally know what they would look like. Dumbass.

[joeldalton]

@goaded from the guy who believed the fake news from the start. Rich.

[goaded]

What "fake news"? Your Trumpism is showing. Those are documents owned by the government and stolen by Trump, and he obstructed legal attempts to retrieve them.

To anticipate your next comment, the classification of the documents is irrelevant; they don't belong to Trump. Even Karl Rove says so.

"Well, let's just be clear on this, none of these government documents are his to have taken," he said. "I agree with the deputy director, who said that a lot of the former President's problems are of his own creation. You can't — under the Presidential Records Act of 1978, you cannot take original documents with you when you leave the White House. When there is the President of the United States or any of his aides, you know — that's forbidden under the law."

"But why the former president packed up 20 nearly 30-some-odd boxes of material when he had no right to do so," Rove added. "And that's what the government asserts in this filing that he — the former president asked for the return of the documents because, as he said in his filing, they were created in his administration. And the response from the government was, that's evidence that they aren't his if they were developed in the White House during his time of presidency under the Presidential Records Act. They belong to the government, not to him."

[joeldalton]

@goaded this bullshit. thehill.com/.../

I'll remind you they had 18 months to go after those documents if they were that important.

[goaded]

They did go after those stolen documents for 18 months, Trump refused to turn them over. Should they have swooped in as soon as they knew documents were missing? Probably, but imagine what you'd have been saying then.

[joeldalton]

@goaded so they had the power to get them for 18 months and did nothing. Doesn’t sound like an emergency of dire consequences.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah…takes a while when corrupt pres steals documents
www.nytimes.com/.../...uments-search-timeline.html

[joeldalton]

Sure it does. These were super critical top double-secret documents. Best to take a year and a half to move on them.

[OddBeMe]

How many top secret docs are there within four years? Just ballpark?

[joeldalton]

Lol, completely irrelevant.

[OddBeMe]

Buddy, fbi redacted the pic. Its called photoshop.

[joeldalton]

Yes, I know, they put on quite the production. Almost like theater.

[OddBeMe]

can't photoshop reality.

[joeldalton]

@OddBeMe The subject at hand aside. The whole point of photo manipulation is to “photoshop reality”. You really must have been drunk when you typed that one.

[OddBeMe]

Or redact sensitive info dummy