My aunt has a sixteen year old son, so he's old enough for the vax. Problem is, he has rapid heart beat sometimes, and she read that the vaccine causes heart problems in young men and doesn't want him getting it. And now he's kinda nervous to get it too. How can I convince both of them that the shot is harmless, and won't kill him?
I majored in history, and I laugh about how easily so many people have overnight gone back to Medieval ways of thinking about viruses. Up until the 19th Century before you could see viruses under a microscope the prevailing theory about the causes of viruses was called Miasma, which was described as an "evil foul smelling wind" that would strike you from anywhere.
Covid 19 hasn't even killed more than 0.1% of the world population, but The Black Death was so bad that statistically at least one person in your family knew someone who died from it. If you ask most people they don't even know off the top of their head of a friend of a friend that died of Covid.
But, if you quote statistics to someone, especially if they're extremely left of center who thinks their emotions are more important than scientific facts they start screaming things such as "Well I still don't want to take the risk of being that 0.1%!" Again they think it's just everywhere, and gonna get them like it came out of the air like that Medieval Miasma theory.
In spite of that it's well known that sunlight kills the virus rather quickly, and that even in absence of sunlight the virus doesn't stay alive on surfaces more than 45 minutes.
The worst tragedy though is how it's destroyed a lot of trust between the doctor patient relationship. Before Covid what would do? You went to a doctor, and he'd say okay I will try you on this drug, and if that doesn't work we'll try you on another drug or just combine the treatment with something else. But, big pharma, and the medical establishment said no, you can't do it that way during Covid. Why? If you ask the majority of people that wanted to take drugs other than the vaccine many of them wanted to combine it with the vaccine, but they weren't allowed to do that. If a doctor suggested multiple combination of the vaccine, and maybe Ivermectin they'd be fired. In the end it was about profit margins and politics not facts.
You can't. I don't trust the jab either, there's absolutely nothing that anybody could tell me that would convince me by now, because of the things I've seen.
Not only based on what I've seen from conspiracy sites or whatever, I don't read or watch those anyway, before anybody says that I just listened to Karen on facebook.
It was more based on things I saw in mainstream media, the way the average pro-vaxxer would argue,
I'll explain the reasons why, in no particular order.
While people like yourself acted as though catching Covid was a near-guaranteed death sentence, even with the original wave there was an average 99.8% survival rate. The people dying from it were people with compromised immune systems, obese people, and old people. I never saw a need to have one personally,
I caught it, I was fine. Mild symptoms, just like most people. I also tested positive another time with no symptoms. That's why we all wore masks isn't it? To stop the asymptomatic spread, because it was a virus so deadly that most of us could have it without even realising it.
Then came the bullshit about natural immunity. They said that catching it didn't give us natural immunity, which goes against immunology 101. I mean, literally the way a vaccine works is by introducing a strain of a virus to the immune system so that the immune system learns how to destroy it. The exact same thing happens when you catch something and survive because your immune system just figured out how to destroy it. This was a blatant lie. Then later of course studies came out that showed that natural immunity is a real thing.
Next is the idea of herd immunity, the idea that we all have to get vaccinated so that we don't get the virus to protect others. At first the pro-vaxxers said that they prevent you from catching it, another lie, which they're now pretending they never claimed because that's just not what happens at all anyway. Alright, so, how do antibodies work? They're created when you catch the virus, when it's inside your body. If it's inside your body and you're experiencing no symptoms lets say for you because you're vaccinated, your antibodies are working - you're an asymptomatic carrier now. Remember asymptomatic spread? This is another blatant manipulation tactic. The only reason to take the vaccine would be if you believe that it will help you personally to fight it off, not others.
So there's all that nonsense. Then you dig into the history of the manufacturers of the vaccine, and you can easily find cases where each of these companies have been given very large fines for bribing medical professionals and scientists, lying about the safety of their products. These companies have made tens of billions through the "pandemic", and they're clearly willing to lie and to pay people a cut of those huge profits.
Some people are saying that they should talk to their doctors. Same doctors that were being paid per shot they gave, and would lose their medical license if they spoke against the vaccines?
I could keep going on and on here, but the issue is trust. We don't trust medical professionals on this at all, they've made so many claims and then back-tracked, blatantly lied etc. Now there are young people everywhere "dying suddenly" from bloot clots and heart attacks and they're blaming everything but the vaccine - in one article last December I even saw a warning about how Christmas trees might cause heart attacks. Crazy shit. And apparently, doctors are baffled, of course they are. This is why there's no changing anybody's minds.
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You don't know that, people with preexisting conditions can be heavily effected. Vaccines are medicines and just like any medicine has side effects that people respond to differently. There's been plenty reports of people having these different , negative effects but people refuse to listen cause media immediately labels any complaints as conspiracy, antivax, antivaxxers. Some people did experience Myocarditis and some have died, some experienced nothing.
He needs to consult with his doctor about this first and decide what's best for him and his health. I took the vaccine but not by choice, personally I'm fine but I still caught covid twice while some never caught it once. It's very strange how that works.
Studies show that taking the vaccine reduces the risks of you catch COVID. You are correct about the risks of any medication. Reading the leaflets with mine, (5 pills am, 7 pills pm and an injection weekly) I've been taking risks every day. However, not taking them or the COVID jabs, I would probably be dead. As you say, all we can do is take medical advice, do our homework and then decide. As far as I know, I've escaped COVID.🤞
@Jenny-Marie I took the shot and so did many of my coworkers. Had a coworker catch it 3 times back to back. I just wish people wouldn't see it as some invisible shield that suddenly makes them invincible. You can still very much get sick and catch it at anytime.. it really just depends. Someone can be around others and never catch it while some took all the precautions and still catch it.
The problem with death reports is that they're not reviewed. I can see my friend get a vaccine and then two days later get hit by a car and die. He died after getting the vaccine. That's the veracity of the reports of death after the vaccine. None have been reviewed and stood up to be caused by the vaccine.
You need to realize that there is a other illness concerns too it’s not just covid.
I can have covid and be very safe
He has heart problems? He is already having a real issue yet you want to convince him vaccine is safe? What ! Why !! Are you sure you aren’t evil? How can you suggest that to a person who’s already having a problem way way way f worser than covid. And in fact vaccines might trigger the situation for worst.
At this point go f yourself you with your vaccine suggestions
Wow... I'm evil for wanting my cousin (who I love dearly) to be protected from a disease that has already claimed the lives of millions? I'm supposed to just do nothing, and risk him getting it and dying?
You don’t die form covid.. you die form heart problems.
If you die form covid then brother you got played
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u How do you KNOW that the shot is harmless and won't kill him? And why is it your business?
Because the clot shot is a cult. Its failure leads to a moral and existential dilemma. It means all the cruelty and tyranny enabled worldwide leading up to this vaccine salvation narrative was for nothing. And now everyone they victimized in the name of crushing resistance to this end will be their judge in eternity.
First of all, no one knows if the vaccine is safe. So convince people at your own risk.
What are the long term effects of an mRNA vaccine? After 5 years? After 10 years? 20, 30 and 40 years?
The answer is that NO ONE KNOWS.
There have been vaccines and other medications in the past that have caused serious, life threatening health problems DECADES after they were taken.
So anyone who tells you with complete confidence that the vaccine is "safe," is either ignorant, lying or stupid.
Secondly, I would NEVER have my 16 year old son, who has ANY kind of heart issue take the vaccine. It is KNOWN to have potential heart issues in young men. You are taking a serious risk giving it to someone when we don't even understand what the particular mechanism is that causes those effects.
So how do you convince them it is "harmless?" Unless you are ignorant, a liar or stupid, you shouldn't. Don't try to convince people of things you don't even know yourself.
You can't. There has been some evidence of inflammation of the heart in young men. If he has heart problems, he might NOT be a candidate for the vaccine. But ONLY HIS DOCTOR or heart specialist can decide on this.
Have these people talk to the boy's primary physician or heart specialist and get THEIR OPINIONS. THEY are the MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS.
You cannot know how safe the vaccine is for this boy as you don't know his entire medical history and have not been treating him for his heart palpitations. If he has some underlying heart condition, he would NOT be a sure candidate for the vaccine.
Urge her to not avoid the vaccine, but to SEE THEIR PHYSICIAN and get DOCTORS" opinions on his suitability for the shots.
And how do you know it’s harmless and won’t kill him? Are a medical professional? Have you studied and analyzed the makeup of the vaccine and what’s in it? Or how it’ll react to his body or any health issues he may have?
The answer is you don’t because it’s an experimental vaccine that was rushed and lacks adequate human testing and long term testing. On top of that no one knows what exactly is in it or what the long term effects of taking it are down the line.
Also it is known to potentially cause heart issues in young men with heart conditions.
And it’s not your job or place to “convince” someone to take a vaccine. That’s their choice not yours.
The whole Covid thing was handled so poorly right across the world pondering to the love of Micro Biologists , Im 4 times vaxed , but you will never convince me its " safe " , its simply NOT safe , the best form of attack is a functional immune system , for this to occur you need exposure , lock downs - DONT WORK , removing liberty DOES NOT WORK , you need a good functional immune , vaccination did nothing for me , I did it because I was basically forced via circumstance.
The handling of this thing is the disgrace , not big pharma making a plethora out of nothing , my nearly 90 year old mother in law is unvaxed , as fit as a fiddle , entire thing was/ is a JOKE.
If he has rapid heartbeat, I wouldn’t do anything that could jeopardize his health. I have not had any of the covid shots and Am not Ever getting any of the shots. I just recovered from a second round of covid. All I took was Tylenol day and night cold and flu. Didn’t even lose my taste much this time. My first time having covid I took alka seltzer extreme cold and flu. That time I actually enjoyed when my smell disappeared for a while. It was like smelling just pure air. Especially if someone farted and I couldn’t smell it lol
Vaccines are made by basically the roasted dead leftovers of a virus. And how you can convince them to get it well to naturally be vaccinated your taking a risky bet that you will of course have to ya know... SURIVIVE the intial infection which either you are asymptomatic and have little to mild side effects. Or you get the really other side of things the nasty bowel churning, fever and epic cough that feels like your in a personal echo chamber with phlem.
The thing about taking the vaccine is well you have a significantly higher chance of a basic flu reaction. Where as not taking it can land you in the ICU under hospital arrest and dying alone.
Any and every vaccine ever uses castrated strains of a virus. This causes the immune system to respond to attack. With that attact order valuable information is gathered to attack again even stronger before its a problem again.
So if you have that heart problem you need that vaccine because the actual virus is going to be 10x worse. The only time the vaccine is worse then the virus is when your immune system is compromised. Basically when you need plasma donations on a regular basis.
Ironmouse is a really cute vtuber with a compromised immune disorder that talks about it.
Then there's times when people are allergic to vaccines. Your protected from a deadly disease but your throat is closing shut is more dangerous. With both immune system compromised and allergic to the vaccine the entirety of everyone else in the 99% need to get the vaccine to protect ourselves and protect who cannot protect themselves.
You don't convince anyone. You take a step back, stay in your lane and hope they make a decision you would. Forcing information down people's throats is ignorant and to be blunt, they won't listen to you regardless so why waste your time? Not to mention that COVID vaccinations are NOT safe for anyone with heart problems. That's literally an exemption. So by you forcing unsolicited information down their throats, you could be the reason they die. Do you want that on your conscience? No? Leave it alone then and mind your business.
Simple, you don't. In a society where intelligence is more valuable for the survival of the species, covid killing the people who don't take advantage of a FREE solution that will keep you from the worst affects of the disease is simply boiling down to survival of the species. People too dumb to believe the peer reviewed scientific studies saying the jab is relatively harmless, and then catch covid and die is just survival of the fittest in the 21st century.
For the record, this is where we messed up, we used our intelligence to extend and expand life, but we also made rules to prevent the natural course of things when the less fit make less fit decisions. By this I mean we use intelligence to create cars to improve quality of life, we use intelligence to create seat belts to mitigate the danger, but then we create laws so those not intelligent enough to use seatbelts aren't culled from the herd when they get into an accident. Just my opinion.
Covid-19 has a 0.05% statistical likelihood of killing most people.
You're funny, there are also peer reviewed studies promoting pedophilia, cuckoldry, drug use, and other immoral activities.
You never did any of those things nor contributed to them
Covid isn’t killing anyone who isn’t on the verge of death already. You just uncritically accept everything the media spoon feeds you like it’s your god damn religion. Wake up and look around you ffs.
@bingbongbangbung this I seriously doubt as peer reviewed academic studies don't PROMOTE anything, they try to be as unbiased as possible in the analysis and presentation of data. That said, for all you know I may be a drug using cuckoldess, you don't know 😁
Yes, well not letting viruses run their course, and allowing herd immunity to develop means that more people survive, but more people are also fighting for fewer resources. Thus, there's really more suffering in the long run. If not for The Black Death killing so many people there wouldn't have been a development of labor saving technology, and a questioning of the status quo that led to golden ages of discovery such as The Renaissance, and Enlightenment, "... We used our intelligence to extend and expand life, but we also made rules to prevent the natural course of things when the less fit make less fit decisions."
I only tell people to see a trusted doctor and follow the advice they are given. I don't feel I'm qualified to give medical advice in any way. Only a physician that knows your situation can determine what is or isn't safe for you.
And in full disclosure I'm fully vexed as I did what I'm telling others to do and got the vaccine per my doctor's advice.
There's no reason for him to take the vax. The risk of myocarditis outweighs the risk of Covid. Any responsible physician would tell him that. The vaccines are overhyped, not well understood, and horribly overprescribed. Young people, especially little kids, have no business getting vaxed. It's ghoulish.
why don't you use your brain?
vaccine is safe for some but not for the rare few. few people develop complications from covid vaccine. it is safe for the vast majority but not safe for everyone. your life, your rules. it is a very personal decision that you make yourself. nobody else should decide it for you. End of discussion.
He needs to talk to his doctor about that. People with certain medical conditions could be at risk if they take the vaccine. I also believe the vaccine is safe and effective for most people but ofc it's not going to work for everyone. If he speaks with his doctor about it then he'll be able to make a more informed decision.
The aunt can consult with his doctor too. Both of them should be consulting with the doctor.
Actually people was about to get money for getting COVID shots after they took them
u The shot isn’t complete harmless, and there’s no guarantee it won’t kill him. So let him make that choice for himself. It’s not your job to convince someone else of what to inject into their body. If he’s of age, he can make the decision himself.
How do you convince someone that what they believe cough cough my bad got something in my throat
What they know to be true is False
It’s not about convincing someone’s beliefs to be something else people don’t believe what they believe they know it Because a belief isn’t just I believe a belief is something that is believed to be True and therefore in there mind it is true the more You say your beliefs are incorrect here believe what I believe Because I don’t like your beliefs the more pushback you’ll receive
Covid vaccine 💉 is no good it’s just a Death waiting to happen
m I don't think that should be your job though...
if he has a heart condition, he should be consulting with an actual professional, an specialist on heart conditions... and then, they, the doctors would be in a much better condition to properly inform them about the vaccine and their condition
after that, it is their choice... not yours
Tell her covid can cause heart problems. There is no such thing as a magic pill or shot. Everything a doctor prescribes has side affects. But the reality is the risk of not taking it is usually worse for your health than taking it.
I swear the way about a third of the population is acting about the vaccine makes me think if penicilin were to have been discovered today, that they'd reject that as "too dangerous". Which would be fine if this virus would just kill them. But thier stupidity can kill others.
His mom is right. That stuff is not good for the body at all. It has not been tested properly in lengthy clinical trials. You’ve been brainwashed by the media and the CDC.
It's been tested thoroughly and is approved. Also there have been over 12 billion doses given world wide. I can't wait to get the omicron specific one soon.
@Friendlybro79 Lol. How many more variants are they going to come up with just to force vaccines on people?
As many as needed since the virus is mutating. It seems to be something that might turn into a yearly thing similar to a flu shot. It's not going to be eradicated like other viruses seemingly so we need to adapt it. Its nothing to LOL about. It's just a vaccine it's not something evil. Try to remember a virus isn't political. People make it that way. I think it's roughly 1 and 300 something Americans have died of COVID so far. Also, don't get the shot if you don't want to. I can't wait to get the new booster because I have severely compromised family members, one of which was on a ventilator for weeks before the vaccine was created. I like knowing that it can help me and others. It's time to get over the idea that the vaccine is horrible or doesn't work because you're wrong. You can have a wrong opinion and no one else cares. Live your life and be safe.
Like others are saying. Have them talk to specialist so they can provide the best course of action. Don't listen FB, Twitter, GAG Dr.'s or their brother's cousin Carl They're unqualified and should keep their opinions to themselves. Make sure the get several medical opinions.
You can’t; at least not honestly. There have been some very severe reactions to all of the covid vaccines. He should weigh his own risks and make that choice for himself. It’s not really any of your business, especially since you don’t seem to have a full understanding of the risks.
If he has a condition tuat could affect it than get a doctor to do the conceltation. I have a heart problem too and got a conceltation for the vaccine. Doctor toldlme the risk for covid is way more problematic than the risk for my heart problems. Than it was an easy decision for me after.
There isn't really any convincing someone who has already made up their mind. They should seek advice from a medical professional about the specific issue. Everyone is different. I myself have heart palpitations every 3-5 beats my heart does an extra half beat. I'm fully vaccinated and boosted and didn't have any issues but my experience isn't everyone's.
If you still have to convince folks at this point, you might want to re-think that conversation. Because it isn't like you are going to present some facts or scientific evidence to prove anything, right?
That went out the window two years ago.
@Guy__ Well, again. . . that doesn't make any sense. We know why viruses mutate.
They are living organisms. They are trying to live.
Quite frankly at first I was on the side of no vax for me, because I was like Corona can't kill me, then I realized that the reason why I didn't take the vax was because of how unsafe it might be, so my ego kicked again and I was like no stupid vax can kill me so I did it, tell him if the vaccine is gonna kill you then you're supposed to die because everything can kill you so don't be a bitch
You don’t get you given the facts they need to know and ultimately they make their own decision for their own lives and their own kids I got the first two vaccines I what is 27 years old I’m 29 now I’m not getting any booster because I’m young and healthy other been addicted to cigarettes
They should talk to his doctor. You're many times (8?) more likely to have heart problems from catching the virus when unvaccinated than vaccinated, and I think everyone accepts now that we're all going to catch some variant of it, sometime. Talk to a doctor or two.
@Juxtapose Define "problems". If you mean a sore arm, then boo-hoo, if you mean serious illness or death, bullshit.
@Juxtapose Looking into reports over a year ago and possible fraud in phase 3 testing aren't proof that the vaccine is dangerous, especially not compared to catching the actual virus.
@Juxtapose Has it not occurred to you that you are?
It's not my job to convince someone to do something that they do not wish to do.
Just like if you were vaxed you didn't need someone telling you that you shouldn't do it.
It's a personal choice.
If you were vaxed then you are protected against those that are unvaxed, so no worries then.
@Lucychen a simple pcr test will let you know.
I do the community covid testing at the firehouse.
The thing we have found over the past year or so, between people I test and based on our calls, it is running pretty much 50/50 with people that have the vid are vaxed, vaxed and boosted, or not vaxed at all.
It doesn't seem to matter.
My wife and I had it this spring, as well as 9 other people at the station, and we are both vaxed and boosted.
Our friends who are not vaxed she had it, he didn't get it.
One of our medics has had it 6 times and he is vaxed.
Just no rhyme or reason to it.
Our medical control doctor told us that like a cold it is a virus, and that it is Sars which they can't make a vaccine for because it constantly morphs into a new strain.
So by the time they get a vaccine out for it, it has already changed into something else rendering what they just developed ineffective, just like covid.
They are now on the 4th booster I think.
But it goes back to your comfort level.
Do what makes you feel comfortable and safe.
If he has tachycardia, then the risk of myocarditis is likely more dangerous to him than the risk of Covid at his age. If you don’t have medical training, you probably shouldn’t be giving guidance
First off they'd already have to be kinda stupid people. There ARE cures that are a LOT safer (my neighbor's family just used Robitussin CF and Tylenol! Cured all three of them!) and I know of several people that got the shots and had REALLY bad side-effects from them and some people were even killed or crippled by it!! Besides, how bad can covid be if things like ultraviolet light or alcohol can kill it?
You can't or at least I hope you can't. It is very harmful and injures and kills far more people than the virus.
You don’t. It’s not safe. The risk of heart issues from these shots is severely downplayed and more info surfaces every day showing how dangerous they are. Do you want blood on your hands? People don’t die from covid. People die from obesity, heart issues, and other underlying issues which any flu would bring to a head.
Get you’re fking head out of your ass
I don’t have a medical background, so I don’t try to convince them. I’m high risk and got the vaccine. Someone under 18, with no prior health problems, has almost no risk of dying from COVID. We could make different decisions on taking the vaccine and both be right.
See a doctor let him explain to them the risks and how safe it is.
The vaccine can be unsafe for some underlying health conditions.
See if her doctor can help her make a more informed decision
I have done my extensive homework on these Vaccines for over a year now and NO, Too many thing shave happened. Unexpected deaths, side affects, and more in between. I am opting for the Novax when it hits my town. Auntie should too. Has protections instead in them, not that MRNA stuff. That is the BAD THING.
PROTEINS IN NOVAX.
you cannot and it is not your job but healthcare officials can only give them pros/cons of the shots.
I'm Pro Vax, but I think it's reasonable for your aunt to be hesitant about getting her son vaxxed. I do think your aunt should get vaccinated, but I'm not sure how your going to convince her if she doesn't understand the odds are significantly in her favor to get it. The side effects of covid are still serious enough to get vaccinated even though covid doesn't have a high death rate.
I think it's a case of balancing the risks. I've got a few fairly serious health problems including heart rhythm. If I'd caught Covid the results would have been serious or fatal. The vaccination had a much lower risk of complications, so I had the 2 jab course + a booster. I think the right decision for me.
All you can do is make sure they do proper research, (not Facebook and the like) and decide with knowledge.
You can't, and frankly that is a valid concern for those individuals with heart related issues. That will best be determined by their personal physician, so you shouldn't be saying jack.
San Antonio is weaponizing them against certain political ideologies, forcing them on political prisoners.
You'll never convince me that witchcraft is safe, when it's already been weaponized.
Encourage her to bring the article she read to the doctor, and let the doctor convince her.
They'll be able to address her concerns the most efficiently. And it will help her son trust the experts rather than his Facebook loving mother.
You can’t convince anyone to not do something. I don’t agree with people who drink or do drugs but they’ll do it anyways even if there’s the risk of overdose/death. I got my vaccines and booster but I really don’t feel the need to continue getting it. Again, that’s just me. I won’t harp at those who don’t get it or do get it. Besides it’s not my business. I’m not going to protest of who’s anti vaccine or who’s pro vaccine, it’s a waste of time in my opinion.
If it was truly safe, it wouldn't take “convincing”
She's just being paranoid in my opinion, and unfortunately she got it in his head.
You sir are a brainwashed monster. The mother is correct and is the sole authority for her child’s medical care. Are you being compensated as a brand ambassador for Pfizer or Moderna?
Your child's body, my choice.
No wonder they worship a rat and a hair sniffer.
@Lost_in_the_Woods I’ve been fired from my job twice already for saying the popular feminist mantra “my body my choice” to loudly so far.
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I'm a truck driver. I say what I want and I don't meet many liberals.
@Lost_in_the_Woods I got my class a permit and never followed through; #Regrets
So whatever happened to making truckers get vax passports to cross state lines? Drivers told the politicians fine we won’t deliver your groceries and they folded like the cheap suits they are?
Pretty much. I was lucky enough to get to stop by the Convoy that was blocking up the DC beltway for weeks just to give them an idea of what would happen if they did that.
I think they know truckers won't cave. It's a losing battle for them. They require Vax passports to deliver food and they'd have a nationwide trucker protest to put the Canadian one to shame. And man... most people don't like it when they don't eat.
Even the sheep would say look, we gotta let them deliver the groceries and toilet paper Vax or no Vax. It's all about power. Trying to force it on the truck drivers would have grenaded their whole game.
When the 100 employees or more mandate fell in the Supreme Court, the trucker one was pretty much just forgotten about. But I think it was a huge win for us.
They are doing everything they can to make trucking hard because that's how you control the resources and drive up inflation. The Washington swamp wants inflation. Taxes are a percentage of every transaction. Inflation goes up, taxes go up. The 30 trillion dollar debt stays the same.
Inflation goes down, people can afford the resources they need to do things themselves and they will quit voting Democrat.
But it's one of those things where they can harass us but everyone knows what will happen if they go too far. You piss people off enough to stop the trucks, no one eats, fills their tank, builds a houes, or wipes their ass till we turn the trucks back on.
And we're used to going without all that. We'll be the last ones to break. 🤣
What happened was they realized that. They saw what happened in Canada and India and they decided to go shake their stick at someone else.
@Lost_in_the_Woods My part-time weekend job is retail gun sales. I can tell you EXACTLY who they shook their stick at next.
I don't doubt it.
I was phase one. March of 2020 they busted my door in, dragged me out in handcuffs without a warrant, locked me up in a state psyc hospital where I saw them give people drugs that turned them into the walking dead, but I have been through some shit, I stayed calm and didn't give them any excuses.
The doctors said there obvious wasn't anything wrong with me and they would have me out of there in a day or two. Then they avoided me for almost a month. Ran test after test after test, someone falsified the medical records the minute they were entered and I know because the idiots were dumb enough to send me both copies.
Eventually they let me go but I lost my job at Walmart and my right to own a gun because I was "involuntary committed to a psychiatric hospital" and they refused to give me the paperwork Walmart needed to call it a medical absence.
They never had a trial. Say I couldn't meet with a lawyer because of covid.
I worked for 17 months to appeal, court appointment attorney closed my case without presenting any evidence and the judge said he spoke on my behalf. I had almost 100 pages of medical records, proof they were falsified. Police reports and proof they were falsified... still have it all. But what good is evidence if they don't let you show it too the judge?
They denied me unemployment, said I quit voluntarily.
Fuck em, I didn't want to work at Walmart. Worked my ass off to get to CDL school. They literally had the cops waitig outside befoee i knew where the building was, threw me out without give me a reason and kept the $4500.
Found a company to send me to school, greyhound threw me off the bus saying i was a suspected terrorist. Left me stranded in some small town in Kentucky 12 hours from home. Still made it to school on time in Colorado. They said a week after I got there that the company had decided to send me home and didn't give me a reason.
The guys who ran the school knew. I didn't have to tell them. They said pay them what I could and gave me a T-shirt with the license for being top of the class. The guy who founded the school died just before I took the test. I wish I got the chance to shake his hand and thank him but he signed my certificate and you bet your ass I'll buy a frame for it.
I'm still fighting them for the $40,000 in unemployment and keeping the evidence of what they did to me. I'm sure I won't see the money. But someone has to do it.
They picked the wrong guy to fuck with. My dad used to work for the DoD. He told me it's not worth my life. But shit, I'd rather die than be a slave. I am too smart to put my safety before my freedom.
Of course everyone else was too busy with covid. The DLCVA and ACLU said they had heard thousands of stories just like mine but there was nothing they could do.
I try to stay out of VA. I caught someone in a shiny late model Cadillac watching my house a few times. Took my story to the news but you bet they didn't call me back.
For me, it's just a good way to know my plan is as good as I think it is. I've been working on building houses out of old refer trailers. Think I can deliver them with appliances for around 30k. Grid power, propane or gasoline generators. Tanks or wells. Any semi can up and move the whole house for a few dollars a mile.
Because if people didn't have to pay rent and mortgages, they wouldn't have to work so dam hard. But I didn't realize when I came up with the plan that would take a huge chunk out of Walmart, Amazon, McDonald's and the IRS.
They use that rent to keep people in line and doing what they are told.
No way our government made the plan to bust up thousands of innocent people and mess their minds up with drugs in three months. They planned the whole fucking thing. Covid was just to keep the masses busy.
And some people think that sounds crazy, but wait till they bust your door in without a warrant or a reason.
They don't want people to own a home or have a way to defend it.
But the truth is they are losing this fast.
You saw the lady from California asking "is it true that red states don't even have to sit in the dark and eat cold beans?"
I grew up trying to get Obama elected. I didn't understand how wrong I was until I started trying to build affordable houses.
Someone else wakes up every day. And they can take my right to own a gun, but they can't stop someone else from lending me one or make me forget the training I got from an Olympic target shooter.
I'm not afraid of the government. I'm more afraid of slavery than I am of death.
They think they have an army. But, just wait till they find out those guys signed up to protect their families from tyrants and aren't afraid to die for it.
@Lost_in_the_Woods Well damn. I know a bit about getting screwed by the government but not as badly as you do!
Look up Bill Gates and his connection to the event 201 wargames
I didn't think that stuff could happen here. But they did it to me long before they did it to Trump or his team.
I just want to let people know it's not just politicians, they have been doing that to regular people for years now. And far worse than taking our documents. One shot and people were like zombies. No emotions, no motivation, just totally apathy and a blank stare.
I know it sounds like a sci-fi but shit, welcome to the future.
I don't know anything about 201 wargames though. will look into that.
I know Bill gates isn't buying up all the farms to save the planet. He's a computer guy, not a farmer. But when the rich have all the land, a robot tractor, self driving truck and and a mechanical chef... they won't need poor people anymore. We'll just be taking up space and resources.
Be a shame if the next pandemic he always talks about killed us all because they kept the real vaccines to themselves.
You can't, and you shouldn't try. And at his age, it's not imperative that he have it. Her reservations are not unreasonable, nor should it be forced on him.
You don't. That isn't your responsibility and you don't know for certain. Even if you got it and didn't have a reaction nothing is 100%
If hundreds of millions of safe donations can't convince them, then they're not rational and can't be reasoned with so don't try. Crazy can't be fixed, only medicated.
Well, in a way, you can't. Just let them see themselves. They'll see they're fine for now... or they're not until one dies due to covid. They'll believe what they wanna believe.
Unfortunately I don't think people can be convinced at this point. There might be a few percentage like 1 or 2 percent that can be swayed. If you haven't gotten it yet you're just not comfortable getting it or you don't think you need it.
I don't. it isn't my responsibility to educate people.
Did you read the description?
It's not harmless, but if you want to kill your family commie that's on you.
How in the hell am I a communist for wanting my cousin to be safe from a disease that's killed millions? I will never understand why so many Americans made a disease about politics.
It has killed over 20,000 people as of January 2022. The vaccine is NOT safe for many people. It killed one healthy man that I personally knew and it has permanently injured my aunt and uncle.
I’d love to see the stats on this
@JessicaEarl It was statistics on the CDC's own website as of the end of January 2022.
In addition, according to their own statistics at that point, only just over 48,000 died exclusively from covid in the USA. The rest had heart disease, diabetes, cancer, etc.
Firstly, this bioweapon isn't safe. The amount of "sudden and unexpected" deaths is cause for concern. Moreover, the amount of blood clots detected and removed from patients who took the bioweapon isn't a good sign.
The vaccine is absolutely not safe and you should not take it.
Maybe it isn't safe.
And maybe it WILL kill him.
Well, lately we are finding out that it *doesn't work*, at least no better than the "flu shots" they offer every fall.
Let's be honest if you haven't had a Covid shot you're an irresponsible moron.
There's nothing more to be added.
Why should you? Haven't you learned by now that that thing is completely worthless, and is just a risk in itself. So you are better of without it.
mind your business. you have your reasons, they have theirs. you cannot convince someone like that, you are not a doctor... if you really wanna help, tell them to check with his doctor and consult his doctor. and then stay out of it.
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