"Lost, Not Stolen” is a 72‐​page report from prominent conservatives..."There is no defensible case that Trump won the 2020 election." Do you give up?

[holdem4884]

"... Trump lost; in fact, they find no credible evidence that fraud changed the outcome even in a single precinct, let alone in any state...

We urge our fellow conservatives to cease obsessing over the results of the 2020 election, and to focus instead on presenting candidates and ideas that offer a positive vision for overcoming our current difficulties and bringing greater peace, proserity, and liberty to our nation.”

From right wing Cato Institute

[Pyrofox]

I say just let them fade into the past. History is written by the winners. These same republicans assumed the current elections would be all easy winnings just like Trump did in the last presidential race. ROFL man did they read the room wrong. And the assumption that the voting landscape was filled with "swing" voters clearly failed on a astronomical scale with most republicans missing the majority votes. Its like they didn't see how voters voted for Biden and forgot who the CURRENT president is o... o.

And its like sure people meme Biden as much as Trump but at least Biden's mistakes aren't leading to civil unrest and racial in fighting within the US. And yeah sure Biden isn't fixing everything but the man is at least not going out and making statements that ambiguously support radical groups. Or make comment that result in extremists to wanna go on a mass killing XD.

In the end those who are still baby raging over the 2020 election at this point are nothing but poor losers. Its pretty clear the republicans still have yet to learn what it means to make friends with the low and middle class citizens.

[monorprise]

So your telling us Biden's efforts to
A) censor his political enemies.
B) Uses Federal LEO's to spy on and persecute the leaders of his enemies.
C) Regulate our energy supply and into high prices making everything more expensive.
D) Undermine the dollar both by ridiculous amounts of over lending and spending as well as sending it to war leading to inflation. And long term security issue.
E) Doing nothing to even slow the Taliban advance to allow our own people to get out leading to large numbers of people in danger and billions of dollars in our tecnoligy now in the hands of terrorist as well as looking inept and weak around the world contributing to the Ukrainian and probably Taiwan war.
F) Getting overly and openly involved in a war on boarder of the worlds largest nuclear power while threatening to escalate the conflict to nuclear war if Russia does not limit its military options.

Are all deliberate efforts by the Biden Administration?

I mean I had little doubt that they were deliberate taking bribes for policy favors that's all documented on Hunter Bidens laptop if it weren't obvious enough from his 40 year history and selling of Hunters paintings for 10s of thousands of dollars.

[Pyrofox]

@monorprise Biden is the lesser of evils. Under Trump I felt like I was gonna die as an Asian for FUCKING WALKING OUTSIDE MY HOUSE. If u want me to feel sympathetic for a garbage tier human who spent his entire term dividing the US instead of unifying it go ahead. Just grasp that people like me aren't gonna forgive what cost some of us our trust in this country.

[Pyrofox]

Also unlike Trump, Biden has yet to be sued to such a degree he can't do buisness in the SAME CITY AND STATE his businesses HQ is located. Like how stupid do you have to be to break so many rules you can't even do buisness legally in your own HQ's location ROFL. And thats the type of leader you want to follow and worship?

[holdem4884]

I'm sorry to hear you went through that Pyrofox, thankfully the really shitty assholes have lost power

[monorprise]

@Pyrofox Your problem is not with Trump, but your local government's incompetent law enforcement efforts if your afraid of going outside your house.

A president doesn't really command domestic security and lacks even the domestic LEO resources to seriously attempt to do so. Therefore a president (Including Donald Trump By definition) would be incapable of effecting the safety of more than a small number of neighborhoods.

This is because the Federal constitution wisely does not provide for such domestic LEO powers, therefore what little presidents do have is what they were able get away with stealing around the margins in the form of Organizations like the FBI. Theses organizations however all together still make up only a tiny fraction of the forces required. Even in the areas where Presidents legitimately have power such as forign nationals they dont have the means.

So there is no rational reason you as a random individual should uniquely fear any president. Did you not learn this in school?

Frankly it sounds like your only problem is the drug dealer you get that rather bizarrely paranoid information from.

[monorprise]

@Pyrofox believe it or not the laws are as such that you can sue anyone for almost any reason and the goverment can investigate you until they find something to charge you with.

This abuse of power is an example of lawfare and political persecution where a State agency is involved. If this highly unequal application of the law were ever legitimate it would have happened decades before, and would like wise happen to every other person in the state.

Frankly its evidence of the fact that like yourself much of the left has completely lost their minds in an obsessive rage against Donald Trump. Akin to the mythical Captain Ahab's rage against Moby Dick.

From the right's perspective your insane you have no idea why you so hate Donald Trump beyond him being a political enemy, as the completely phony reason you gave illustrate.

[monorprise]

@holdem4884 It is indeed regrettable that someone has planted such completely ludicrous and baseless fear in @Pyrofox Although to be frank as an adult he should know better than to believe a president is even remotely capable of being such a threat to him individual much less inclined.

We have mental hospitals for people who lived in such crippling and completely ill-rational fear.
There usually is more than a few who claim to be afraid of every president.

[Pyrofox]

@monorprise Nah mate the local authorties aren't telling non Asian people its okay to prey on us its the president perpetuating its an okay part of society. By telling others its okay. Society doesn't fall apart just cause the wind decided to blow a different direction.

[monorprise]

@Pyrofox You need to lay off the toxic propaganda and/or drug dude, Trump would never suggest anything of such an insane sort. Nobody elected today ever has?

Where on Earth would you get such a toxic and insane idea? If there is anyone hunting you that's very illegal, and you have the right to defend yourself and/or move to an area that has functioning law enforcement.

[holdem4884]

@monorprise Do you know what the Congo virus is? No?

That's because scientists named it HIV. They knew about the stupid inbred segment of the population that's ignorant enough to just blame the disease on people who look like they come from that county.

Flash forward almost 40 YEARS to Trump calling covid the "China virus" and suddenly his MAGA morons start randomly attacking people of Asian descent.

Fucking disgraceful

[monorprise]

@holdem4884 Virus/disease have been traditionally named after where they are first known cases was since the beginning.

That's why COVID-19 is called Wuhan flu, and the 1918 influenza pandemic is called the Spanish Flu, the 1977 flu was called the Russian flu.

That's how naming conventions work for plagues historically.

You should try and learn a little history before buying the nonsense that its somehow a "Racist" conspiracy.

[Pyrofox]

@monorprise It took the media calling him out on not being equal to both sides of the coin. To actually condemn his own race despite his own white supremistis were just as much a societal terrorists. You don't put out a fire by burning the fuel more unless its the DEAD last option.

If we did that the entire south west would be already a dust storm country.

There are ways to be subtle and each and every chance President Trump had he purposely chose to dump gasoline on the issue. He had chances to unify instead he focused on how to divide. Its like what is going on with the current elections. That initial claim of a red tide? Well what were seeing right now is the cost of making incendiary statements. You don't suddenly have free lunches, if you burn a bridge its not gonna magically appear you need to build it first.

[monorprise]

@Pyrofox exacly when were you told that Donald Trump ever said that it was ok to pray upon Asians?
Surely you must have a spesfic example because neither I nor any other Trump supporter I've ever met has ever heard such an outrageous suggestion.

[monorprise]

@Pyrofox No idea what your talking about what fire? What "White supremacy"? We've already established Donald Trump, a man who spent most of his life helping minorities has Proven again and again he is by no means a White Supremacist and never has been.

@Pyrofox said: " If we did that the entire south west would be already a dust storm country. "
As for the "fire" your going to have to name spesfic Trump involved situations.

Are you talking about western fire fighting techniques? If so fighting fire with controlled burns is a common practice in the western States due to the historic practice of putting out all the more minor fires that would otherwise have safely cleared the underbrush in the natural fire cycle I should know I've personalty witness controlled burning numerous times.

@Pyrofox said: "There are ways to be subtle and each and every chance President Trump had he purposely chose to dump gasoline on the issue. He had chances to unify instead he focused on how to divide. "

I see so basically you don't like Donald Trump's political speeches.

So your upset with the way Donald Trump talks, you want someone who talks more diplomatically or doesn't criticize the people and issues you care about?

Welcome to the club, I can't stand the way Obama spoke and lied about issues and his political enemies all the time, dido Joe Biden who seems to be just as bad or worse, that is when you can make out what he's being directed to say.

That hardly makes anyone evil much-less worth of your Captain Ahab style obsession with them.

Like it or not Politics are divisive as the country is quite divided. you point out 2022 election results favoring democrats when in fact Republicans also won more State Super majorities in history.

[monorprise]

@Pyrofox
We don't really know what happened in a few select states, except that a very large number of inherently unverifiable mail in ballots were involved.

Other possibilities include

* Population movements resulting in a large number of liberals migrating to 'swing' states making them more liberal. While more solid conservative state pulling more of the conservative population making them more conservative.

* Large scale censorship and fragmentation of media has made it impossible both sides to communicate particularly conservatives who control at best 20% of the media market. Therefore Conservative States where their 20% media market share is more dominate boomed, and every other state they suffered.

* One of the most controversial court edicts of the last 50 years Roe v wade was just reversed perhaps driving a large number of pro-abortion democrats to the polls having no idea it simply shifted the topic to state Governments.
Thus Conservatives won big in their State governments because they were told and Liberals who largely didn't know went after Washington as directed by their leaders desiring to shove their more limited recognition of the right to life down everyone throat.

* Senate and House Republicans had bad leadership misdirecting campaign spending against their political enemies such as rival republicans in Alaska rather than to getting the message out in swing states like Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Georgia. For a republican money is critical because we have no hope of being heard in the 80% democrat media market otherwise.

[Anonymous]

I'd given up long before Jan 6th

Now I'm just preparing for the BCS planned end times

[holdem4884]

You gave up on Trump before Jan 6th? Congrats! I mean that seriously. I don't begrudge anyone who made a mistake and voted for Trump but came to change their mind. That's wonderful!!! It takes strength to admit you were wrong 👍

[Opinion Owner]

Moment my bet was void, I backed him because I couldn't vote for him as a Brit but first time round that same bet had me a bottle of single malt... personally think if you lost regardless of being incumbant or 2nd place, you should be barred from running again

[Anonymous]

I gave up when the verdict was announced. Of course Trump lost, the leftists probably cheated. They control most of the media, they can control the narrative they want.

[Guardian45]

What a breath of fresh air!