Neo Nazis- Guess that Political Party?

[OddBeMe]

Who do they support?

Dems

Repubs

[lightbulb27]

been around that area, never seen nor heard anything like that, nor any "neo nazi" groups. probably republican by that alignment.

You know columbus used to have a "do dah" parade, which was the craziest thing full of LGBTQ and everybody enjoyed it.

I don't agree with that extremity, but given all the issues, I'm still neutral right.

I used to vote democrat... they went too far left.

[Anonymous]

They can claim to support whatever party they want, most of them generally back the Democratic party as it better aligns with the National Socialist workers party (NAZI) ideologically. But both parties are extremely broad tents.

[OddBeMe]

Seriously? You think these guys voted for Hillary?

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme Lots of real NAZIS did why not them who are phony NAZIS.

[OddBeMe]

Please link to evidence of this.

[inhua]

Nazi is just short for national socialism so really they are a lot more left-leaning than right-leaning. The KKK did originate from the Democratic Party after all

[Juxtapose]

"B-but they weren't actually leftists!"

[goaded]

@Juxtapose How democratic is North Korea?

[Juxtapose]

You're probably the type to say that Stalin and Mao were totally right wingers xD

Extreme left wing ideology has killed hundreds of millions of people.

[goaded]

@Juxtapose No, they were communist authoritarians. They're the poster boys for why you need a functioning democracy to have a functioning socialist society.

North Korea's full name is the Democratic Republic of North Korea, and it's as democratic as the Nazis were socialist.

[goaded]

Sorry, it's the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Still no more democratic than the NSDAP was socialist. Socialism was popular in the 1930s, so they used the word.

[Juxtapose]

They are still far left lol.

[Juxtapose]

Right wingers don't hold a monopoly on authoritarianism.

[goaded]

@Juxtapose Well done, you missed the fact that I was agreeing with you that Stalin and Mao weren't "totally right wingers xD"

They were communist authoritarians. They're the poster boys for why you need a functioning democracy to have a functioning socialist society.

[Juxtapose]

If you say so.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose right wing socialism is a thing buddy. You gotta pull out of this tailspin.

[Juxtapose]

Next thing you know you're going to tell me there's right wing communism and then left-wing fascism xD

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose no but I’m educated and read a lot. Right wing socialism is a thing. Or have you not seen our military budget?
en.wikipedia.org/.../Bourgeois_socialism

[Juxtapose]

"Right-wing socialism is also used to refer to moderate social democratic forms of socialism when contrasted with Marxism–Leninism and other more radical left-wing alternatives."

So it's like with classical liberals, they are more sane so you label them as right wing. Gotcha.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose you think Nazis are more sane than marxists?

[Juxtapose]

Not all right wing socialists are Nazis.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose ok. But Hitler was. He literally said so.
“Socialism’, Hitler retorted, putting down his cup of tea, ‘is the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.”

[Juxtapose]

Marxism is communist because Karl Marx invented communism.

[goaded]

@Juxtapose Yes, Marxism is communism, what @OddBeMe is pointing out is that Hitler explicitly said he was taking the word Socialism and twisting it to his own ends.

There are a couple of interviews with Hitler from 1923 where he spells it out. Of particular interest might be the sentence before @OddBeMe's quote:

"‘Why’, I asked Hitler, ‘do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party program is the very anthesis of that commonly accredited to Socialism?’

Also: "We might have called ourselves the Liberty Party. We chose to call ourselves National Socialists. We are not Internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfillment of the just demands of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."

Later: "Our German workers, Hitler said, have two souls. One is German, the other is Marxian. We must arouse the German soul. We must root out the taint of Marxism. Marxism and Germanism, like German and Jew, are antipodes. Here Hitler outlined his case against the Jews... The Jew, Hitler asserts, is destructive by nature. Unable to lead a national existence of his own, his presence in the modern state provides the ferment of decomposition.

[Asked, "What would you do with the Jew?", Hitler said], We would disfranchise him. [Even if he is born in Germany, because] birth in itself is no sufficient qualification for citizenship. Citizenship depends upon a clear recognition of the duties implied in its rights. The Jews are not German. They are an alien people in our midst, and manifest themselves as such...""

Germany First?

famous-trials.com/.../2529-1923-interview-with-adolf-hitler

[OddBeMe]

@goaded this is useless. Maybe I’m in a depressed mood today but some idiots aren’t worth it.

[goaded]

The idea that the answer to bad speech is more speech falls down when only one side cares if they're telling the truth. It's still worth a try.

[OddBeMe]

@goaded I admire your zeal. Would love to buy you a pint sometime.

[goaded]

I'd love you to buy me a pint some time!

[Juxtapose]

Again..

"Not all right wing socialists are Nazis."

The fact that you guys are using a mild disagreement to dismiss the idea of more speech being the solution is quite telling.

[Juxtapose]

Not to mention the very definition I looked up on right-wing socialism also includes socialists who are simply more moderate.

Big L guys.

[Stoner710]

Neither they can vote for what ever party they want both sides reject neo Nazis

[OddBeMe]

Publicly. But one side agrees with them a little bit more….

[Stoner710]

Yes it’s called the progressive left even though they won’t admit it.

[OddBeMe]

Right. These guys uber progressive. After this they play hacky sack

[exitseven]

Probably democrats, they are the party of the KKK.

[OddBeMe]

150 years ago. Who does the KKK vote for now?

[exitseven]

I wouldn't know and neither do you.

[OddBeMe]

Yes you do.

[exitseven]

Well, we have a president who carried water for the grand wizard of thr KKK so I guess we can infer a lot from that.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

What’s the point? Nazism is bloody evil, and with evilness on the side, Republikkkanism and Demokkkrazy mean pretty much the same.

[KrakenAttackin]

Hitler was one of yours pal.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nazi-Party

[HippieVeganJewslim]

@KrakenAttackin Stalin wanted to kill Hitler, and was also a Socialist. Not all socialists think the same. I hate totalitarianism, and it seems that Hitler surely was totalitarian!

[monorprise]

Both parties are very broad tents, that said nearly all socialist including NAZI's tend to favor the democratic party for the simple reason that the democratic party is more tolerate of their desire to control other people.

Republicans in general don't support the existence of the necessary power.

[KrakenAttackin]

Look, the problem is basic human nature. Politicians the world around want power over people and will expand that power unless "the people" stop him. This is what Marx totally missed, basic human nature when it comes to power and control.

There is no perfect system because it has to be implemented and controlled by imperfect beings.

[goaded]

@KrakenAttackin Projection, much?

[KrakenAttackin]

@goaded It's not projection if it is the truth. Denial much?

[goaded]

@KrakenAttackin Your "human nature" might be to want to take "power over people", that's not the case for everyone, and besides, the way the people can hold onto power is to maintain a functional democracy.

[OddBeMe]

@KrakenAttackin krak. You’re a friend. This is a losing argument. Hitler was right wing af. Us lefties will take Stalin. He was evil. And crazy too.

[goaded]

Perhaps that's the difference between left and right, we're willing to accept the truth and adapt. Stalin couldn't have done what he did in a functioning democracy, he'd have been voted out (at least with modern communications).

[OddBeMe]

@goaded I mean…we don’t outright deny or accept based on bullshit. Right wingers have long put out this “lost cause” bs about Nazis for years. And right wingers are used to swallowing.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Neither of them was socialist in the actual sense of the word. Hitler actively killed socialists and despised them. Stalin was a wannabe communist. Lost any hope to be one the moment he didn't accepted his defeat at the elections.

[OddBeMe]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 agree in a sense. Hitler did have some socialistic govt policies. I’d actually say Stalin was more of a purging totalitarian dictator than socialist.

I actually recently read that Stalin never read Marx. Lenin misquoted him. And Mao and Pol Pot just followed “Stalinism”. Marx was actually pro capitalism, some small ways. He was just on the side of the workers.

[Ptrmbrs88]

They support Ukraine! :D

Dems? Repubs? Neither. Didn't you see the Ukrainian national symbol on their jumpers?

[OddBeMe]

No but I doubt they support the Jewish president of Ukraine.

[Ptrmbrs88]

They support Ukraine, which is why they have the symbol of that "nation" on their jumpers. I never said they supported Zelensky.

[OddBeMe]

The Ukrainian flag blue and white. Not seeing any overt “national symbols”…maybe the old coat of arms Ukraine Trident which is not on their shirts.

[Ptrmbrs88]

No, the flag of Ukraine is blue and yellow, and I wasn't talking about that. Look, nevermind. You'll eventually figure it out. One day.

[OddBeMe]

No. Please. Link a pic of the symbol you think those Nazis are wearing. I’ll wait.

[Juxtapose]

Nazis are their own political party dude.

[OddBeMe]

No actually they’re not anymore. Which party do these upstanding Americans vote for?

[Juxtapose]

Yes they 100% are lol.

www.mtsu.edu/.../american-nazi-party-and-related-groups

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Nazi_Party

[OddBeMe]

Your link: “disbanding before the 21st century”

[Juxtapose]

Keyword man: "most."

[Juxtapose]

It still exists, so I am right and you are wrong.

[OddBeMe]

They’re a political party as much as the whigs.

[gorydetails]

wow, you found 12 whole nazis. Good job.

[OddBeMe]

Thanks! And how many times have you gone off the rocker on rioters?

[gorydetails]

How many businesses did these dozen or so absolutely NOT feds destroy? How many billions in property damage?

[OddBeMe]

Lots. And lives.

[gorydetails]

Really... those guys went and looted businesses? Where's your evidence of that?

[KrakenAttackin]

NAZI's are socialist by definition.

[riverrat3]

Better restudy your history,

[riverrat3]

Naxi's are fascists, about as far right as it gets. Socialism is far left.

[goaded]

@riverrat3 Yes. It's funny how no contemporaneous sources call the Nazis left-wing, isn't it? It's only in the last couple of decades that people have been pushing that nonsense.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Ja, National Socialism, but wonder how much of other socialism they believe in.

[KrakenAttackin]

@riverrat3 NAZI part is that National Socialist Workers Party. Hardly an NRA convention slick. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you can re write it. NAZI'S are clearly in your camp, just own it.

[KrakenAttackin]

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nazi-Party

[goaded]

I know what the words mean, I also know what they were like in practice. I also know nobody at the time referred to them as left wing.

[KrakenAttackin]

@goaded Suck it up buttercup, NAZI's were your guys.

[goaded]

Nope, that's just stupid propaganda.

[RonStone45]

Ask any kkk memeber today who they would rather have in power. Ask any Neo Nazis if they supports forced vaccination, lockdowns etc. Ask them who they would rather be charge in the U. S. Nazis are right wingers. Conservative trying to put kkk and nazis as modern democrats or left wingers is dumb and pathetic, no libtard will take you seriously if you try to push that ridiculous narrative. National socialism is different from left wing socialism and Hitler addressed this.

Ask any democrat guy from the 19th century and early 20th century which party he would vote for today. Modern democrats are liberals and are completely different from old democrats, that's why the south who used to always vote democrat now vote republican. Democrat and republican parties had both right and left wings in their own parties back in the day I believe. An old democrat would never vote for the pro lgbt, pro mass immigration, multiculturism, pro-diversity and anti-white democrats of today.

[RonStone45]

There's a reason it's called Alt-Right, many people who are alt-RIGHT share many views with conservatives. they are just more to the right than your standard regular conservatives of today.

[Ptrmbrs88]

North Korea is officially known as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Does that make it democratic, Mr. Kraken? People can call themselves whatever the hell they want (ex. "I'm a woman now, because I identify as one"), but that doesn't make it true.

[Ptrmbrs88]

Socialism is the exact opposite of fascism.

[RonStone45]

@Ptrmbrs88 There are different forms of socialism, national socialism was the nazi party. Nazi were right wing nationalistic and socialists. Hitler said national socialism was different from left wing socialism.

[Ptrmbrs88]

@RonStone45 He also supported, and was supported by, the large corporations like Siemens and Krupp. Did that make him a capitalist as well?

[RonStone45]

@Ptrmbrs88 You should ask an expert on national socialism, I am not an expert on this subject, I just know that national socialism is different from left wing socialism.

[OddBeMe]

Sigh…Right wing socialism exists everyone. Seriously.
en.wikipedia.org/.../Bourgeois_socialism

[KrakenAttackin]

@goaded You are in denial.

[goaded]

No, I'm denying that Nazis were left wing. That's because they weren't. Look up what happened to the Strasser brothers. Look at who the political enemies of the Nazis were (the communists). Look at every historical account that wasn't written in the last couple of decades by right-wingers trying to flip the script. There's not a shred of contemporary evidence that they were socialist, any more than North Korea (the Democratic Republic of North Korea) is democratic.

[KrakenAttackin]

@RonStone45 Simply not true, NAZIS are national socialist... just like you.

[OddBeMe]

@goaded Correct, Hitler was appointed by right wing president Hindenburg. Hitler cast the Nazis as the right wing alternative to communism. And was backed by the industrialists. Who eventually benefited from slave labor.

Now what’s the Republican position on child labor again…?
www.vox.com/.../child-labor-laws-youth-migrants-work-shortage

[RonStone45]

Oh give it up already, nazis were right wing. It's called alt-Right not alt-left. Ask any kkk member today which party he votes for. Nazis & kkk are more right wing than your average conservatives, that's why they are called far-right.

[RonStone45]

I think I've had a similar discussion with you before krakenattackin regarding nazis and kkk on the political spectrum, and you accused me of being a liberal and said ''yeah right'' when I said I was conservative. Libtard Oddbeme can confirm that I am indeed conservative, I'd say that I'm more conservative than you Kraken.

[OddBeMe]

@RonStone45 Correct, you are an ahole.

[KrakenAttackin]

@OddBeMe However you cast it, "National Socialism" is a left wing platform. There is no escaping that. Any of your hyperbola is distraction and deflection.

[goaded]

It was a trick to get people to vote for them and not the communists.

""Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"

"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists."
famous-trials.com/.../2529-1923-interview-with-adolf-hitler

(You'll note that Hitler didn't disagree with the premise of the question.)

[RonStone45]

National socialism is not left wing you idiot, give it up already you look like a clown right now.

[OddBeMe]

@KrakenAttackin That reminds me to get my vax for hyper bola.

But nationalism and socialism can be on either side of politics. This is just fact. So…not sure where to go from here….