So the supremacy clause means nothing?

[Juxtapose]

The governor of New Mexico banned guns for 30 days because an 11-year-old got shot. Is she not aware of the supremacy clause of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

You cannot decree something that conflicts with the Constitution. I personally hope she gets impeached and arrested on sedition charges.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/09/new-mexico-governor-suspends-right-carry-firearms-albuquerque

Oh and by the way far leftists? The Supreme Court has ruled that you do not need to be part of some state-run militia to own firearms. The New Mexico Governor is irrefutably in opposition to the constitution. Are you going to have the balls to admit that she's wrong or you going to support her because she's a dem and damn the Constitution?

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)

"... to disarm the people ― that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

https://www.madisonbrigade.com/g_mason.htm

Go ahead, show me how little you care about the Constitution 😐

[Реrverted_Сreeр]

I think diversity is our strength. Do you agree, any leftists reading?

So why turn america into another gun free zone? Maybe if you're afraid of the right to own firearms, you should move to another country where they're stripped away.

Remember, diversity is our strength, we need countries that don't enslave people for those people who don't like being enslaved.

#MilkSprayer

[Telekinetic-Potato]

They don't want this country to be America, they want the whole world under one thing. It's going to happen eventually. Nobody values culture, nobody values their family or it's reputation. If you don't have any values, there's nothing for a sense of nationalism to stand on. Especially when your nation no longer has any particular values other than fucking everyone.

Honestly, people deserve what's coming to them. I'm just so sick of politics. Everyone wants to complain about it and nobody wants to do anything. Jan 6 proved it, the lack of public outrage at Trump being indicted proves it, Jeffery epstein situation disappearing after he died proves it, the blatent corruption of the fbi, military, and other government corruption as it relates to lobbying and gigantic businesses...

Nobody cares enough to do anything. There's about 100 reasons to storm the Whitehouse or the house of representatives or congress at any given moment. We're on the verge of large amounts of people not being able to afford housing or feed their kids without working 80 hours / week.

[NamerOfStars]

So... someone who clearly doesn't care about the law (because they shot a kid) is going to listen to it now? I mean, I'm as annoyed by the gun nuts as anyone else, but this makes no logical sense- unless she's ALSO going to suspend the fourth Amendment and have the cops search everybody.

But it won't hold up in court. Or that's what I WOULD have said, before the Illinois supreme court declared Pritzker emperor.

[Juxtapose]

Well she doesn't have the authority to do this whatsoever but yeah it's not even going to be effective.

[Juxtapose]

The vast majority of gun related deaths are due to gang warfare and gangsters exalt the law of their gang above any other law.

[Реrverted_Сreeр]

That's like the most common pro-gun argument.

Do those who use guns for illegal activities care about owning a gun in the first place? The law didn't stop them from killing, will it stop them from owning the gun?

[Juxtapose]

@Реrverted_Сreeр fuck no.

[Exterminatore]

You are 100% correct. The Supremacy Clause states the Constitution is the law of the land and no state shall make laws that nullify it or any part of it. That’s not to mention the Bill of Rights granting the same right. That governor transgressed the rights of New Mexico citizens. She is clearly an enemy of the Constitution and a tyrant. She deserves to be recalled and so far as I’m concerned jailed.

[Juxtapose]

I think people like this need to be brought up on treason charges to set an example. I am so done with people treating the Constitution like it is optional.

[Exterminatore]

I fully agree.

I think Trump should make a tweet about guns. I just wanna see the s*it libs defend the 2nd Amendment.

Hey man, thanks again for turning me on to Jimmy Dore. I listen to him daily now.

Looking at the completely out of control situation in our country, I saw there needs to be sanity and rationality and that the cult of Woke needs to be dispersed. So I embraced Facism as I saw no other vehicle strong enough to drive it out and keep it out. Thanks to Jimmy I now understand this is the result of literal brainwashing by the CIA and FBI influencing the media and colleges. I can now return to being a center right Conservative. For a while I had thought people had come up with that crap all on their own and embraced it. I now see it is just a tool of the oligarchy and that something as extreme as fascism is not required to combat this and potentially is more dangerous than the problem itself.

[Juxtapose]

I'm glad you like Jimmy Dore and I think he is one of the few people that understand the intentions of the founding fathers and carries it well.

We the people definitely do not need fascism, what the problem is is that narcissistic sociopaths are very attracted to power and they quickly fill up positions of power both big and small. We could have a revolution tomorrow and within 50 years the government would become pretty corrupt again, if not sooner.

Andrew Jackson had one hell of a time struggling against corrupt people and he was very against the establishment of a central banking system and thought of them as a den of vipers.

So how do we deal with such rapid corruption? Writing down laws as a supreme law of the land doesn't seem to do very much, it's pretty easy to get into Banana Republic territory.

I think it takes a citizenry that is very proactive and scares the deep state.

[Exterminatore]

I can now embrace the concept of individual freedom again. For quite a while I felt that perhaps we could not have freedom as people cannot handle it responsibly.

I now think we can. The problem is that the oligarchy is trying to keep us divided. So, stamping out freedom is not the solution, stamping out the oligarchy is. Because people did not come up with this stuff outside of the influence of the media and colleges. This is the byproduct of CIA and FBI influence. Operator Mockingbird is still clearly alive and well.

[Exterminatore]

I don’t just like him, I love him. So much so I even became a member of his website and donated $100 to him, both just to help the cause. I think the work he’s doing exposing the lies is of the utmost importance.

[Exterminatore]

You are quite right. Active Citizenry is essential. Most especially now.

[Exterminatore]

I think you’re also right. The founding fathers had the very best of intentions. But if we cleaned out the swamp, it would become polluted before long. We need to figure out a way to clean out the cesspool and ensure it doesn’t get corrupted again. Term limits for Congress would be helpful as well as eliminating lobbying and “campaign contributions.” There needs to be more oversight.

[Lliam]

I consider officials who violate the Constitution and Bill of Rights are also in violation of their oath of office. They are also guilty of sedition and treason. They should be treated as traitors.

18 U. S. C § 2381, states that a person guilty of treason against the United States “shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

[Juxtapose]

I think that is very appropriate and they are definitely treasonous snakes.

[jshm2]

You're not the brightest, and don't understand that modern laws are not tied down to a paper written by White, genocidal, racist, slave owners.

Governors can suspend and overrule clauses and amendments temporarily, if they have a just cause. The key word is "temporarily"

[Juxtapose]

No they cannot, Governors can't arbitrarily decide to ignore the Constitution that's retarded. And your first paragraph is one of the stupidest things I have ever read from you. Your mind has been poisoned by social justice and intersectionality nonsense.

[Juxtapose]

Oh you are from the UK, that explains everything. You guys are extremely oppressed.

[Juxtapose]

@gorydetails here lol

[Avicenna]

He's a racist Marxist, Jux. And he doesn't even hide it. A perfect exemplar of my comments about what Marxists think of the Constitution.

[Juxtapose]

@Avicenna yeah, just imagine if he talked about Jewish or black people like that.

[Avicenna]

I'm sure he talks about Jews like that.

[RealMarek]

@jshm2 So if a right-wing government is elected to power in some state is it okay for it to suspend Constitutional rights temporarily? Or is this just a privilege for leftist state governments?

[Juxtapose]

After all the (rightful) bitching of the left with the Patriot Act they sure do love abandoning their liberal values!

I AM a liberal but hate sjws and the "intersectionality" bullshit.

[Avicenna]

Marxists don't think a written constitution applies to them- only someone higher on the Marxist totem pole matters to them. Now, they are happy to make the rest of us follow their "rules" and dictates, but they have no respect for the US Constitution. If they're pretending to use it, they're misusing/violating it and only in furtherance of their Marxist goals, which excuses everything for them.

[gorydetails]

I just want one of them to get on here and defend this action.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah, especially since I objectively have the Supreme Court ruling on my side and the Supremacy Clause on my side on this. I have a pretty airtight case against this Governor but of course people who don't care about the Constitution will reveal themselves if they speak.

[gorydetails]

There won’t be a single leftist that usually can’t stop running their mouth who will reply to this.

[Avicenna]

There's always a few of those dolts. Expect Soteris to come in soon with his own peculiar brand of nonsense.

[ScisorsAndRaisins]

I bet you that bitch, Michelle , owns at least one gun.

[Lliam]

And she has armed guards.

[ScisorsAndRaisins]

@Lliam

Yes, but that's never crossed her tiny brain.

[Snakeyes7]

I would imagine some moron upon hearing that would immediately assume that it is synonymous with white supremacy and use it as proof that the entire concept of the USA was racist despite never caring about the Declaration of Independence.

[Drewtate]

I don't get it. What does a gum owner do for 30 days with their guns.

[Juxtapose]

That is immaterial and irrelevant. It's unconstitutional flat out.

[Drewtate]

Laws are subjective. For instance treason was against the constitution of the British empire.

[Juxtapose]

That is why they should be written as clearly as possible and why precident is so important. The Supreme Court has already decided how to interpret the Second Amendment and it's not up for debate anymore. You can't endlessly argue on how to interpret laws like it's the Bible otherwise we can't have a consistent society.

[Drewtate]

Samuel 25:13:

And David said to his men, "Every man strap on his sword!" And every man of them strapped on his sword. David also strapped on his sword. And about four hundred men went up after David, while two hundred remained with the baggage.

The bible tells you to be strapped.

[Juxtapose]

I'm an atheist but I am pro gun rights.

[KrakenAttackin]

This Governor needs to go.

[OddBeMe]

What happened to States Rights?

[Juxtapose]

That's not a thing lol. That was settled during the civil war.

[OddBeMe]

Wow. It is a thing actually. But weird how you pivot from rant to rant.

[Juxtapose]

No it absolutely is not. States can't ignore the supremacy clause.

[OddBeMe]

Then ever state has Obamacare? Cuz I’m in Texas…and our attorney journal stupidly took Obama’s ass to court over free healthcare. And now I’m in the state with the most uninsured.

[OddBeMe]

*attorney general. Lol

[Juxtapose]

Welcome to America where the Constitution is regularly ignored. I would be more worried about the Patriot Act personally then states not getting a insurance mandates passed through.

Civil asset forfeiture is also a violation of a constitution.

The draft itself is involuntary servitude so that is unconstitutional.

Drug laws are unconstitutional.

Etc. We need some pretty strict constitutionalists to return back to basics because our system is too bloated and corrupt at the moment.

[Juxtapose]

*typos

[Juxtapose]

Just because we write down laws and say they are the supreme law of the land doesn't mean people are going to respect them. We have to force them to respect these laws and make it very clear over and over, and we also have to constantly purge corruption over and over. Freedom cannot last if the citizenry is not very vigilant and very involved, representative democracy I will say is a mistake because the average citizen should be educated and involved. Representatives don't work.

[OddBeMe]

I’m not a constitutional scholar but technically income tax is unconstitutional. Try to get that reversed. And it’s right for to fund our govts with earnings.

[Juxtapose]

Although I will say there are states that are allowing marijuana even though that is federally illegal but the feds themselves are in violation of the Constitution.

[OddBeMe]

You’re spouting non expert BS. But states rights are still a thing. This is the most frustrating thing dealing right wingers. Like your “Fauci tape”…can’t understand nuance. You guys are the real fcking snowflakes.

[Juxtapose]

Show me exactly in the Constitution where it allows you to ignore the supremacy clause in the manner it has been done.

[OddBeMe]

From Cornell Law: It does not, however, allow the federal government to review or veto state laws before they take effect.

[Juxtapose]

The NM governor issued a decree, that's not a law.

[OddBeMe]

Yet that’s what goes in New Mexico. Until courts block it. We’re still in a democracy dude. It’s just rusty.

[Juxtapose]

No, you can't decree that for example you lose your free speech rights cus of a manufactured "emergency". That's absurd and the nowhere in the Constitution does it allow that.

And no, we're in a Democratic Republic.

[OddBeMe]

Slaps face…no nuance. You’re like a fcking tree stump like the rest of the trumpers.

What happened to you?

[Juxtapose]

Dude there's no fucking nuance to this. You either obey the Constitution as it is written very closely or you don't and you have a fucking banana republic like we do now. There's a reason why the supremacy clause is in there and you don't get to arbitrarily ignore it just because a state says it can.

Do you want people to manufacture emergencies so they can take away your rights like with the Patriot Act? Come on man, get it together.

[OddBeMe]

The constitution is literally judged subjectively by the judicial branch and the founders even made the Bill of Rights so we could Amend it along the way.

Nuance is EVERYWHERE. And you fucks never understand it.

[Juxtapose]

They are supposed to read it as it is written as much as possible because if you interpret it like the Bible on some bullshit and everything's going to get fucked up. We have made many amendments since the Bill of Rights but the Bill of Rights should largely stay as they are, maybe even be aggressively expanded given how tyrannical our government is.

No, it really isn't. You either read something is written and can understand basic English or you can't. The Constitution isn't rocket science, I can read dude.

[Juxtapose]

*as written

[OddBeMe]

Did you there’s a smudge in the constitution that could be a comma? And it’s been subjectively interpreted by many courts to mean one thing. Without the comma it means the exact opposite.

Humans are imperfect. There’s no “one way” to read the constitution. Again NUANCE and you miss it everytime. All of you. Every right winger I argue with on this site.

[Pterodon]

Axe her ass