Palestine or Isreal?

[Mimi78]

[nightdrot]

Voted for neither as, from an American perspective, it should properly be viewed as a strategic calculation, not a moral decision. That said, your characterization of it as two children fighting over a toy is an unjustified trivialization of the question.

There are serious moral issues at stake, and it has been an accepted principle of international affairs - at least since the end of World War I if not before - that national self-determination is the right of a people. It's partly the reason why the victorious Allies broke up the Austro-Hungarian Empire and it is why imperialism is in such bad repute today.

That said, international affairs are about power, not principle - except insofar as sovereign powers have the ability to assert their moral principles. In the Palestinian-Israeli case, there are conflicting nationalisms, though in the Palestinian case, the sense of national identity is somewhat weak - with Palestine divided between Palestinian nationalist, Islamist and (to some degree) pan-Arab identities.

These splits within the Palestinian community have significantly weakened the Palestinian cause, with about the only thing holding the Palestinian factions together is their ardent right to return to what they consider historic Palestine. In that connection, it should not be forgotten that the United Nations Organization divided the territory in a two state solution and it was the Palestinian Arabs, not the Israeli Jews, who rejected that compromise solution.

As to the situation now, the Palestinian cause is largely over - the media images notwithstanding. The decision by the Palestinians to support Saddam Hussein's Iraq against Kuwait in the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf War effectively ended Arab support for the Palestinian cause in fact if not in name.

Throw in the rivalry between Persian-Shiite-republican Iran and the Arab-Sunni-monarchies (as well as Egypt.) You now have a de facto alliance between Israel and the Arabs, effectively shutting out the Palestinians (who are increasingly looking to Iran.)

From the American viewpoint, that Arab-Israeli alliance is useful for hemming in not just Iran, which is small beer, but Russia - which in geostrategic terms matters more. In that connection, then, support for Israel makes sense.

The Palestine issue for the U. S. is secondary and if the Palestinians do not see the United States as a mediator, then that is their affair and the status quo will suffice. Palestinian options are few.

[TonyMetal___86]

I'm for the peacefull solution for both countries without one oppressing the other...
This war needs to stop right now, i just can't believe how much people are suffering and the numbers of dead are rising and the ones who are alive have lost everything...

It shows the true nature of our world, where there is no mercy, no compassion, no love, no faith in god and bo nothing, worst than animals!

Sometimes i wish if it was just a nightmare than i wake up to see that none of this had happened...

The IDF are committing massacres and genocides against these innocent babies, i mean if you want to fight hamas, no problem fight them because they are the ones whom you should fight but obviously they targetting civilians on purpose and they are trying to exterminate a whole population!

At 1st, they said that hamas killed a lot of innocent israelis and that was gruesome and i'm against their acts, it was a terror act but now what are they doing? Worst than hamas, in the end, only the innocent civilians and babies from both sides have paid the price!

[chrissykerdock]

i don't get how people can support palestine... but not really they're the one's at fault... it's hammas... and even palestine would have to oppose them... but let's get back how jewish people were rape killed and slaughtered... babies beheaded and other people killed in similar fashion... i can't see opposing the jews at all... to me if your a woman you'll oppose what happend in israel... no woman shall be raped or killed period... and a lot of you are sheep where you don't have a stand shame on you.

[lilBigPotato]

Choosing one or the other is exactly what got us in this shitty situation. It should be both, Israel and a Palestine state that both live and respect each other

[AviatorTom]

Both can co-exist, but all efforts to create a Palestine state have failed... because the Palestinian groups and neighboring Arab states would rather fight for control among themselves than work together to form an independent state, which Israel has offered on at least four occasions: after the 1967 7-day war, after the 1983 Camp David accords, and after the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

[Radiate143]

Obviously Palestine. Israel has been wrong forever.

[Mimi78]

🇵🇸🤲🇵🇸 thank you someone with brains

[Radiate143]

Eyes really. Anyway. It's a waste of time to argue about this here. It's obvious who are the violent tyrants.

[Anonymous]

I am honestly not sure. I don't know enough to pick a side. You're on the Palestinian side, can you explain to me why?

[Mimi78]

Isreal is killing innocent babies have been oppressing Palestinian people for the past 75 years after Palestine have opened their arms to help them and Isreal wanted to fuck them up also Palestine is the biggest and largest open prison in the world as Isreal is controlling every move

Any human should support Palestine becouse what Isreal is doing is not right at all

[ChicoFromThe305]

I'm not choosing any, the media likes to spread false information, I know nothing about it and I'd rather keep my opinions out of it

[Lottifan]

Israel.

[Mimi78]

So you support genocide and killing of kids

[Still-alive]

Palestinian and Israeli citizens is who im for. Not hamas or the Israeli government

[Anonymous]

Israel, It is.

I don't support terrorists!

[exitseven]

Israel. I always root for the underdog.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Underdog? More like oppressor

[exitseven]

@WhiteBoyChill Israel did not send in armed paratroopers into Gaza to shoot up a concert with unarmed people. With bullies you have to respond with at least twice the force. It needs to be overwhelming to make sure it never happens again.

[Guardian45]

Point of Clarification: Israel

[WhiteBoyChill]

F^ck Israel. It’s that simple.

[Lara_Croft]

Jesus

[FreyaRed]

neiter

[Erron_Black]

any.

[Lottifan]

@Mimi78
Israel has offered the Palestinians peace for the last 75 years. They don’t want to accept so let the suffer the consequences.
Israel warned them to get out of Gaza. Some didn’t as they’d rather become martyrs for their cause. So tough luck. Let them go and play with their 72 precious virgins.

[Erron_Black]

@Lottifan Why will Palestine leave its own land?

[Lottifan]

@Erron_Black
Only temporarily while Israel deals with Hamas.

[Erron_Black]

@Lottifan Who believes in fairy tales temporarily? Later, Israel will put forward excuses and not leave, occupying Gaza and taking over those lands.

[Lottifan]

@Erron_Black
Grow up and talk sense. Do you really think Israel is so interested in taking over that shit hole.

[Mimi78]

@lottifan if Isreal was not interested in taking over the land they would have stopped killing innocent people and committing genocide why are you killing all this innocent people if your not gonna take the land or want something fucked up sss holes

[Lottifan]

@Mimi78
Innocent people. Good joke. If they’re so innocent why are they harbouring terrorists amongst them?
There no difference between Hamas and the Palestinians. They both want the same thing.
For 75 years Israel has offered the Palestinians peace. They Don’t want to accept so let them suffer the consequences.

[Erron_Black]

@Lottifan How can a child harbor a terrorist?