Why do liberals speak about being a Christian Nationalist like it is a bad thing?

[exitseven]

Somebody believes in God and loves his country. What's wrong with that?

You Christian Nationalis you

[abc3643]

Because it is.

This country was founded mostly by people descended by those who ESCAPED religious persecution.

The fact that you have a Bill of Rights with separation of church and state being right at the top of the First Amendment comes from the example set by New York. New York was NOT founded by the English, but by the Dutch as New Amsterdam and, there, people of different religions and nationalities got along altogether because they deliberately didn't make religion an issue; it was about business, pure and simple. And because NY functioned for so long in such a stable way because religion was irrelevant, the Founding Fathers realized that was the way to go to avoid future religious persecution.

[abc3643]

And, John Adams, by proxy, in approving the wording of the 1805 Treaty of Tripoli reasserted that the US was not a "Christian nation" and thus the Muslims ("Musselmen") there had nothing to fear. From Article 14 of that treaty:

"ARTICLE 14th
As the Government of the United States of America, has in itself no character of enmity against the Laws, Religion or Tranquility of Musselmen, and as the said States never have entered into any voluntary war or act of hostility against any Mahometan Nation, except in the defence of their just rights to freely navigate the High Seas: It is declared by the contracting parties that no pretext arising from Religious Opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the Harmony existing between the two Nations; And the Consuls and Agents of both Nations respectively, shall have liberty to exercise his Religion in his own house; all slaves of the same Religion shall not be Impeded in going to said Consuls house at hours of Prayer. The Consuls shall have liberty and personal security given them to travel within the Territories of each other, both by land and sea, and shall not be prevented from going on board any Vessel that they may think proper to visit; they shall have likewise the liberty to appoint their own Drogoman and Brokers."

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No, the US should not be a "Christian Nation".
That said, the "metavalues" of Judeochristianity form a good "metabasis" for our cultural attitudes.

[JacobJordan]

What's wrong with it is it doesn't conform to their beliefs. Like so many overly sensitive whiney brats today if you disagree with them or call them out on their bs they get their wittle feewings hurt and go to immediate toddler rage, then block you because they lack the intelligence, confidence, understanding or mental fortitude to actually debate a topic. Have called out people on here anytime I see it needs to be brought up and it is always the emotionally and mentally incompetent that block. They also love to tell you that will block so you know that they are incompetent.

[exitseven]

You are a unique man @jacobjordan

[JacobJordan]

I am alright with that. Thank you.

[exitseven]

you are most welcome.

[JacobJordan]

We got another one of the incompetent people I was talking about lol @Lliam blocked me after getting called out for supporting the rape, sodomy, mutilation and brutal murder of women and LGBT people.

[Daniela1982]

Because they want to be known as Christians without actually being one or living their lifestyle.

[sage2021]

For those of you that condem the bible and think YOU have all the right answers, have you ever thought to yourself maybe it's true what God says. Maybe he does want you to go to heaven when you die.

I'm not willing to take a chance that I will burn in hell for eternity just because I made the wrong choice when I was alive.
Like they say
"There aren't any atheist's in
Fox holes".
Meaning during war time and you're in the trenches at risk of being blown to bits at any minute - it is THEN people call on God to save them.

Two each their own. I don't want to fight or argue with anyone! They ask for our opinions here and that is mine. Plain and simple.

[TightLipps]

The Bible is filled with rape, sodomy, racism, and all-around bad knowledge of the English language. Intelligent people, {a. k. a. liberals} can read between the lines; dumb-as-dirt, swamp-people will drink wine & try to walk on water. Liberals simply hate dumb shit, the uneducated deplorables, they live, eat & breathe in - the dumb shit.

[JacobJordan]

Don't liberals support palestine... where women are raped, sodomized, have acid thrown in their face, face gender based violence, LGBT people are beheaded in public etc? Hmmm sensing a bit of a disconnect with the intelligence and how it pairs with liberals. Links for reference enjoy.
www.ochaopt.org/.../specific-risks-facing-women-and-girls-palestine
https://www.equaldex.com/region/israel
apnews.com/.../middle-east-israel-immigration-west-bank-gay-rights-ce95f6903faf461502cc0800b272b159

[TightLipps]

Yes, 100%, they simply lacked the intelligence and education to pull themselves out of the swamp, so they had no choice, but to work with what they had, in the best way that they could. Even the most intelligent caveman would cut off his own arm, in order to have something to eat, versus an unintelligent caveman, who would simply starve to death. The keyword here is "evolution" bud?

[TightLipps]

@JacobJordan Yeah, I think I saw that comedy skit on Fox News; boy, let me tell you, Fox News is the best comedy show, ever!

[TightLipps]

Yes, 100%, any European, a. k. a. white person who owned slaves, is pro-slavery, pro-extinction of Native American lives & culture, etc., is 100% classified as pure, white trash class of swamp people. I mean, how can you even argue that?

[JacobJordan]

Yeah it wasn't a comedy skit actual facts dear. Women face overwhelmingly more violence in Palestine than they do in Israel. Gay people are beheaded in Palestine they aren't in Israel. In fact the violence against both LGBT and women is so bad in Palestine that the UN has a fairly large database on it. I linked them for you did you not see them? www.ochaopt.org/.../specific-risks-facing-women-and-girls-palestine this is the violence vs women.
https://www.equaldex.com/region/israel this is the rights of LGBT people in Israel
apnews.com/.../middle-east-israel-immigration-west-bank-gay-rights-ce95f6903faf461502cc0800b272b159 this is the news article after Palestine beheaded a 25 year old gay man who was seeking asylum in Israel. I am curious as to what proof you have to back up your claims given that I was able to find all that information and far more in the span of a few a minutes

[exitseven]

I love how liberals portray conservatives., I have seen Trump rallies and I never see anybody that resembles this.
thumbnails.texastribune.org/.../...S%20TT%2029.jpg

[TightLipps]

Perhaps you should go to a rally "sober" and drink that case of generic Walmart beer "after" visiting the circus, oops, I mean rally.

[JacobJordan]

Do you have any evidence to support the claim that liberals are intelligent? especially given the fact that you also list the biggest reason they are against the Bible is the rape, sodomy etc and yet you liberals support the rape, sodomy, mutilation and brutal murder of women, children and LGBT people at the hands of Palestine. It seems that you would rather try and troll than answer and defend your point so I am guessing you have no ground to stand on and instead hope to distract from the crux of your stance that you mistakenly made.

[TightLipps]

@JacobJordan If after watching the "below video", and you fail to identify one single example of pure insanity, then you my friend, are officially & certifiably brain-dead!
https://youtu.be/74qT8TPT6fI?si=f9KfsibkTujT-8xJ

[JacobJordan]

So no you have absolutely no evidence and are trolling pretty much what I thought.

[JacobJordan]

Also "officially and certifiably brain dead" applies to dead people and sometimes those in a vegetative state (rare as they have brain activity generally)

[TightLipps]

@JacobJordan Oh my G'awd! You received daily ass-kickings in school, didn't you, Homer?

[JacobJordan]

Nope. I just happen to know what I am talking about because of this fascinating thing called research. Look if you want to support raping, sodomizing, mutilating and brutal murders of women and LGBT continue your current path. Factually speaking though liberals are unbelievably stupid.

[TightLipps]

@JacobJordan Please calm your ass down Jordan, I'm 13 years old, I have 4 friends here, playing on the computer, drinking soda, and laughing at how easily riled-up you {so-called conservatives} can get. We're just scared that you might pick up your 2nd Amendment, fully loaded weapon, walk to the nearest elementary school & open fire! Calm down Homer, drink your glass of bleach and pretend that your wanna-be dictiator Trump, has everything completely under control...

[JacobJordan]

Right wingers don't shoot up schools brat you can look to your LGBT friends or your own friend group for that. More than likely it is a child you presently harass in school. When he or she comes from you remember that he or she is doing so because all they wanted was a friend instead they got harassed by a brat that hadn't be disciplined a day in her pathetic life. I am not riled up child. Your entire like single moms doesn't matter to anyone

[JacobJordan]

You may not know this since you are too stupid to understand even basic logic but drinking bleach will kill you. And telling someone to do that is the equivalent to telling them to commit suicide. Would you care to retract your statement? Or do you want the show the world proudly precisely how badly your mother has failed cause clearly your dad isn't in the picture.

[Dongie]

Heh, liberals, intelligent, ha, hah. I'm to FUCKIN tired to try open your eyes. FJB
LGB

[exitseven]

Liberals think there are 73 genders. They actually believe climate change is caused by cow farts. They keep claiming Biden isn't senile. They think that printing more money will be good for the economy. Talk about dumb shit

[Jtiger]

Liberals think they’re intelligent but freaking dumb as all outdoors
lol

[TightLipps]

@JacobJordan Dude, please take your medication; the bleach-drinking comment came directly from your inbred, white-trash, wannabe dictator, "Trump,"
https://youtu.be/9hMWMtGbsyo?si=tGfjxPeBzbwI_XRX
That's where that statement came from, I am not going to continue entertaining a shit toad like you any further - "get medical attention", Bubba!
https://youtu.be/4gJGMwvl9tE?si=BOdDHUVg6KaGGi_E

[JacobJordan]

Again stupid little girl I don't vote nor do I support any party. Now be quiet go do your homework. Best parts of your personality clearly dripped down your mother's legs

[Lliam]

I'm not a liberal, but I don't want to live in a theocracy.
I'm a constitutionalist. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". That means that the government is barred from imposing a state religion.

And, in the carefully chosen words of the Declaration of Independence "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." It doesn't say the God of the Bible. Creator is open to interpretation.

I think Christian Nationalists are bat shit crazy fundamentalists who want to impose their beliefs on others. As far as I'm concerned, they are dangerous fanatics.
I will not comply. I'll oppose that shit just as strongly as I would oppose Nazism or Communism.

[Dongie]

There is no governmental organization that can ultimately succeed at the moment. The best people I know are Christian's. They're still sinners but isn't everyone. Maybe you speak what my dad referred to as holy rollers, with fanatical ways like not taking their child to the doctor. I am a Christian. And I sin more than most people. Doesn't make me a hypocrite as I'm not Christian for people and I fully admit that I fuck up as much as anyone and more than nostcpribably. I have a hell of a temper. But I work at it, pray about it and get through this shitty world best as I can.

[Dongie]

* more than most probably.

[Lliam]

@Dongie. Good for you. I'm not religious and the best people I know are not. They may have their own spiritual beliefs, but that's different.

Either way, I don't want to be ruled by people who believe in the Bible or any other "holy" book. They're entitled to believe what they want, but they can keep it to themselves because their books don't make them any smarter or more moral or righteous than anybody else..

[Dongie]

I doubt a Christian says they are better. I know no Christian that wants to rule 5he country nor force the Bible down your throat. If you were familiar with Christ you would know this. I've heard of people who claim they are Christians and are the furthest from it. I want the country, I believe, the way you want it.

[Lliam]

@Dongie. Right on, bro.

[exitseven]

The fake news is portraying them as a bunch of inbred rednecks. They hate Americans and they hate this country. They cannot stand that the majority has had enough of their failed policies so thy have to portray them as idiots.
The small business owners, first responders and military personnel are overwhelmingly Christian Nationalists., the very people that hold this country together.

[handsomelad70]

@Dongie "Christian" Nationalism is a belief which states that the true "Christians" are anti-Black, homophobic, misogynistic and xenophobic. Anyone other than they is lesser and deserves "Biblical"-inspired domination.

[Dongie]

@handsomelad70 that's not very nice. Hath not the love of the Father in them.

[handsomelad70]

RIGHT ON about "Christian" nationalists, pardner.

[exitseven]

@Liam Do you even know what a Christian Nationalist is? It is really a made up name by the democrats and the fake news to describe anyone that opposes them. They try to make conservatives look like a bunch of ignorant rednecks with white hoods.
Most of the people that attend school committee meetings are Christian Nationalists. The people that coach your kid's soccer team is probably one too. They are people that believe in God and love America. I guess democrats think that is a bad thing.

[Dongie]

Yeah, that's how I see it.

[Lliam]

@exitseven. You're trying to defend Christian nationalism because you are a conservative Christian. You're confusing being Christian with believing in "Christian nationalism".

Christian nationalism is being pushed by militant Anglo-Protestants. They are obsessed with "the God of the Bible" and think that anyone who isn't on board with that is an enemy. They are no different from radical adherents to Islam in advocating forced compliance. They're not satisfied to have the freedom to practice their own religion. They want national prayers, prayer in schools and sports events, God on our money and in the Pledge of Allegiance.

I'm sorry, but I strongly oppose their agenda. I will not comply. Fuck their crazy ideas about God.

Here is a good article by Paul D. Miller in Christianity Today
www.google.com/search

[Juxtapose]

"They are no different from radical adherents to Islam in advocating forced compliance. They're not satisfied to have the freedom to practice their own religion. They want national prayers, prayer in schools and sports events, God on our money and in the Pledge of Allegiance."

Right on!

[exitseven]

@liam It is a way for the fake news to discredit anybody who does not vote for Biden.

[Lliam]

@exitseven. Do you think I would vote for Biden?
Don't read the article I posted. Don't do any research. I don't care. But people who want to lturn the USA into an Anglo-Protestant theocracy disdain the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and are no different from taliban. Those kind of "Christians" are dangerous religious fanatics.

[normalice]

Religious people are notorious for believing any action they come up with is justified by a higher authority than the law. Religion is a way to collectively override what is plainly visible with wishful thinking. As long as everyone agrees it makes sense to beat a thief to death, then it makes sense. It never has to face an impartial justice system and be told that was an overreaction. Add to that the fact that what everyone agrees to is often determined by a charismatic leader serving their own self interests and then suddenly everyone might agree that witches ought to be burned at the stake or liberals - and other scapegoats to the failed policies of the strongman when it comes to actions taken for self interest not meeting the physical needs of his people - should be in a mass grave.

We have, of course, seen this all before with every religious nationalist dictatorship ever. Liberals have learned from history. Why haven't conservatives?

[Jtiger]

“Liberals have learned from history”
OMG, my side hurts, stop……. lol.

Ok, now you can suck a glistening dog dick

[normalice]

Now, ragetard, that's no way to introduce yourself to strangers on the internet.

[Jtiger]

You may now suck a ……. yada yada yada

[normalice]

@Jtiger weird that sucking dog dick seems to be on your mind. Is that due to a brain injury or were you just born that way?

[Soteris]

... Because being a nationalist is a bad thing. A nationalist is not someone who loves their country, its someone who undermines their own nation through their blind devotion to it. Nationalism is actively harmful and often lead towards war if not national degradation.

Without even going into details it even makes sense on the face of it. Nationalism is excessive devotion to your country that blinds you to any and all flaws it may have. In other words, nationalists has problems solving any issue that shines a bad light on their own country because acknowledging those flaws is to admit your nation is not perfect.

Nationalists rather be patriotic than deal with things like poverty or corruption or whatever else. They just cover every issue with their flag and declare victory. It is an ideology for stupid people who wants to believe in propaganda.

[bingbongbangbung]

Or rather you have little to no evidence to back up your claims, so you state you don't wanna go into details

[Dongie]

No that is how the left see nationalism. Its meaning is to just run the fuckin place with some common fuckin sense.

[Soteris]

@bingbongbangbung I mean, I could go through a list of "Nationalistic" countries through history and point out where and why they went wrong.. because they did.. always.. This is not theoretical, it is reality.

[Soteris]

@Dongie No its not. Nationalistic countries in history has been those with probably the least amount of common sense in fact. Like the nazis for example. They sure as hell did not look at the whole picture or made decisions based on what is best for them or even likely to succeed. They just fucked things up.. repeatedly.. predictably.. and was surprised every time.. total idiots all of them.

[Dongie]

Yeah m, I know the use of the word in Nazi Germany baby. America is not them this ain't 1920s. Understand the context in which it is spoken. Trump uses this term to describe a nation ran by the opposite of what it has become. Would you not like to see it that way. I would. I'm suck and tired of the crazy fucked up way we are treated as those slimy stinkin politicians line their pockets with our tax dollars. The homeless in their democrat run cities shiting on sidewalks dying in the streets of drug overdoses. We are near a third world status.
That's all I got man. In tired, my eyes are sore. Good night

[Soteris]

@Dongie Nazi Germany is probably the most iconic Nationalistic country in human history and also exemplifies the reasons why Nationalism is stupid. You can look at other nationalistic countries if you want, it always ends up the same. Where Nationalism rises, death follows. Usually very literally in the form of world wars and other major conflicts.

Oh dont get me wrong, at the start of things its always about what is best for the country (in their eyes). Resolving homelessness, crime etc.. All standard stuff. The secret is that they never actually do it. Those sentiments are just the tantalizing bait in the trap so that people like you will sign away your rights and futures.

But in the end it is always you, the normal person, who suffers for the sake of Nationalism. You fight in their wars. You slave away in their factories. You are the oppressed masses under their dictatorship. There are no exceptions to this. Every Nationalistic country devolves in the same way into the same thing. It is a systematic problem with the ideology itself.

[Dongie]

So you're not for Trump?

[Soteris]

@Dongie I am Swedish. I have the luxury to not care.

[Juxtapose]

Religion should be kept very far away from politics because religion in of itself is batshit crazy.

Let me put it to you this way, I tell you there is an alien in my backyard right? You're going to want more than faith to backup my statement. A picture or video wouldn't even do it, you would probably want to poke the alien and make sure it's not some costume.

Then I tell you that there is some cosmological overlord who is all powerful and created the universe. It takes an active interest in your life and you can even pray to it. Such an incredible claim would require magnitudes of evidence far greater than proving there is an alien in your backyard.

But I tell you you have to take it up completely on faith and also such a faith should influence every aspect of your life.

Does that seem sane.. to anybody?

[Dongie]

Awe man, Christian don't put his faith in another man. He puts it in the Lord Jesus Christ. And faith comes from hearing the word of God. If you know anything of the Bible and take a look around at how this shitshow has become then you should realize a whole knew existence. We are in the battle. Good is called evil and evil called good by those on the left. Read Revalations.

[Juxtapose]

@Dongie I don't want fairy tales I want actual evidence.

[Juxtapose]

Faith is belief without evidence and I will never abide by that.

[Lliam]

@Dongie. And who wrote the Bible? People, that's who.

[Dongie]

Ok, one day and all that you have heard before so yeah.

[Dongie]

@Lliam God

[exitseven]

I consider myself a man of science. However the more I know about the physical world the less I believe that it is here by accident.

[Dongie]

I've had evidence. So I guess I can't say much. You need a reason I guess.

[Juxtapose]

I need something substantial, not just some hunch or hope.

"The universe clearly is too complex and needs a creator."

Okay, so who created the creator? And who created that creator? Eventually you're just going to have to admit that something has always existed and why can't it be reality? Why do you need some guy in the clouds?

[katiesmuff]

Problem you people don't have the brains to keep the two things separate. There is NO room in our government for yours or my religious believes to be part of. Our (all) religions are a myth and beliefs which can never be scientifically proven true.

[Jtiger]

So besides being dumb as shit liberals are also atheists
Good to know

[katiesmuff]

@Jtiger What do you mean dumb you jackass, Who is getting all the free money you or me! hahahaha

[exitseven]

God has always been intertwined with American life. In God We Trust.

[katiesmuff]

More like : In God We Trust, but Cash Is King

[slatyb]

That's not all -- they also believe that they should be able to impose their will on others. They want to pass legislation controlling other's sex lives and freedom of expression among other things. Basically Christian fascists.

[aceistheplace]

What legislation?

[slatyb]

@aceistheplace Start with reproductive freedom. Have you heard some of this stuff? Idea the American Taliban.

[Dongie]

I don't ask for much the truth will do just fine.

[aceistheplace]

What is legislation?

[silyt_ghoest]

lmao what? this isn't a christian country, go back to the monarchy if you wanna be controlled by religion that bad.

[exitseven]

This is a christian country, Even our pledge of allegiance says "One nation, under God" and money says "In God We Trust"

[DJB72]

You may not take the koolaid blindly as they slop the 🐂💩 diet out if you believe in God, and nothing threatens the "one world shitfuck" like someone proud to be from their particular country (England in my case, but wherever)

[DryGermanGuy]

Yeah, what an awesome personality such a self-described person would certainly harbor. You want to deal with more of these Joseph McCarthy, Barry Goldwater or Jerry Falwell fools?

[OtterMan68]

The First Amendment. This is not a Christian nation. There should be no national or official religion.

[KrakenAttackin]

They only have the balls to disparage Christians. Show a liberal a Muslim, Hindu, etc., and the liberal will slobber all over themselves supporting religious liberty.

[Dongie]

Thank you

[Jtiger]

Ditto

[Lliam]

Is someone trying to take away your religious liberty? It's more like these militant Anglo-Protestants are trying to force their own beliefs on the entire nation. Why can't they just practice their religion and leave others to their own beliefs?

[lucas262]

They'll say we're trying ton convert them all like how they're trying to convert us all into woke tards like them

[Anonymous]

Both evil things to the liberal

Odd given the whole anti gay issue with the Bible is about not raping alter boys so the church liberals changed the words to keep getting away with their sexual deviancy

[gorydetails]

It’s the latest attempt to smear conservatives. You notice they all picked up on it after that cunt on MSNBC started their programming. Fuck them all.

[Dongie]

They're gonna come for us Christians.

[SolitarySolace]

Because they adore politically persecuting Christian’s

[laly520]

its classic
each side tryna eliminate the other who doesn't agree with em

[Dongie]

To everything is a side, good evil

[laly520]

agree

[888theGreat]

They hate God and his followers because they deep down know they are without morals and are doing wrong.

[Dongie]

You kidding? They're satanist man. Steal, kill and destroy. That's their motto.

[Lliam]

You're talking about Talmudic Jews.

[Dongie]

@Lliam hey, no, I'm talking about the leftist dirt that calls good evil and evil good.

[noohair]

We have devolved into tribal thinking.