1, free speech means forbidden to criticise "some" of any group, agree? 2, what do you think free speech mean?

[strateguy632]

[Likes2drive]

It means you can say whatever you want and not be criticized for it

[shortster]

Criticism of speech is okay. Censorship is not.

[NaultD]

Some people are just soooo asshole enough we got to stop having nise things. Like a cross is pretty normal not a big deal. Burning a cross that's scary got add some fire codes. remember safety third, we like nice things and to keep them got to be safe. Then Burning a cross "some groups" home and people die... of lynching.

Real talk now people die from hate crimes and you got to cut it off the safest part you can. You are not getting sent to the gulag for hate speech maybe you just get picked in the face at worst. Everyone still gets to live another day.

[strateguy632]

hate? in my case i hate my parents but i would never KILL them. why can't i say i hate them or any group?

[strateguy632]

about hate crimes, just kuz a cop is black doesn't mean he killed the white, he was arrested as a race hate crime motivated.

[NaultD]

"Hate crime" is a legal thing. The aim is to stop shit from getting out of hand. Like a gun being pulled out. People start dying and we need to stop that from happening. Same shit with domestic violence.

It's not like you're getting sent to a gulag for life. People get detain and tempers cool off and everyone survived another day.

[NaultD]

There is a barrier and threshold a prosecution needs to prove to a jury of peers.

That's the whole point of jury of peers. They have a duty to protect their own and all defendants are part of the community. There is nothing to gain from punishing your own neighbor. It only hurts. You still need to stand up for what's right and what's wrong.

[Astarlessnightsky]

You can critisize anyone. But be prepared for your opinion also being critisized.

[strateguy632]

i wish! every little legitimate criticism even dpecifying "some" is considered offensive or hate speech considered antagonistic. but we will get back the free speech you described.

[strateguy632]

@Astarlessnightsky see reply here by likes2 .

[IslaTheWitch]

Free speech means respect. You can say whatever you want as long as it's respectful and based on data, not your wild guessing.

[strateguy632]

but this opinion itself not "based on data"?

[IslaTheWitch]

what kind of data do you require here?

[strateguy632]

YOU yourself required it as a condition of free speech, so your statement is forbidden "whatever you want as long as it's respectful and based on data". no basis.

[IslaTheWitch]

sure, I'm asking what kind of data fo you want to see for this statement. I'm a lousy mind reader so I require specific information

[IconicPenguin]

Free speech always has limits. I'm not free to go out into my neighbors yard and scream that I'm going to kill them, and I'm okay with that.

[Grond21]

I'm not sure what you're saying

[strateguy632]

i was showing the bad thinking of liberals who support "free speech" while forbidding what i can safely say. such stupidity is hard to comprehend because it is only agenda not real.

[Grond21]

Yes, it is always bad to limit free speech. Unfortunately you see it on both sides. South Dakota just passed something limiting who can say negative things about Jewish people or Israel. It's the same mistake

[strateguy632]

the obvious difference is jews got abducted and killed in hundreds on oct. 7, '23 so motivating "revenge" can cause more dead jews, that is the limit about jews.

[Grond21]

You have to allow people you don't like to say things you don't like. Otherwise it's not free speech. Even if what they are saying is hateful