Shots fired at Trump rally in PA? Aren’t Trump haters peaceful and anti gun?

[Pterodon]

[sage2021]

My opinion is that from now on he is going to have to have more protection. Wear a bullet proof vest, have to be surrounded all around just him with bullet proof glass.
Have more cops everywhere!

They said they check out everyone that enters the place where the rally is.
But that doesn't mean anything!
People can be paid by the democrats to have the people doing the checking of people before they go in just look the other way and let the person in to kill Trump.
🙈🙉🙊 This is how they check people out before letting them in a Trump rally.
Money talks and bullshit walks!
Pardon my french.

[sawno]

I assume he was wearing a bullet proof vest already but that unfortunately doesn't help against heashots. It would have something iconic if Trump now wore a hard helmet but thats not going to happen. I assume they will change how the events are handled with tighter security, considering the shooter was on the roof he bypassed regular security measures to get in the event. Can be solved by either instantly killing anyone on the roof with a gun or the better solution having a roof thats closed.

[sage2021]

@sawno
After Trump was shot, his white shirt was wide open and I didn't see any bullet proof vest on him
One big thing I have learned in life is to NEVER
ASSUME ANYTHING!

[noohair]

I bristle when pundits compare anyone to Hitler. It is ridiculous, bombastic and a sigh of ignorance of history. This hyper rhetoric is a device to normalize the concept that if someone is Hitler, they should be killed. It is a sick and evil attempt to hold on to political power at any cost.

[Sasahara]

You are talking about the type of people who think telling people to protest peacefully is starting a riot. They also think supporting genocide of jews is acceptable depending on context, as if there is any context genocide should be acceptable.

[Pterodon]

I love your response

[Sasahara]

Thank you

[Juxtapose]

Yep and they readily commit defamation and libel as well. They also expect that the innocent are the ones that have to prove they are innocent.

[patois]

When were Satanic Satanists ever peaceful?

https://x.com/stillgray/status/1812314433512722561

[patois]

*Satanic Socialists

[Juxtapose]

I am emotional right now and enraged at these people who are cheering for this. I just don't have the words to describe my disgust.

[sawno]

I agree on your stance of just blocking them. Anyone cheering for this or wishing he got hit doesn't deserve to interact with me. I don't want to waste my time on evil people.

[Juxtapose]

@sawno thanks! I don't play around with political assassinations and I take a very firm stance on this. Zero tolerance.

[Juxtapose]

If this happened to Joe Biden I would be just as pissed. This is the behavior of demons.

[sawno]

I also don't have any interest in interacting with purely evil or extremely low IQ people. The ones who act in good faith I can convince on other posts or replies. Like those pointing out that the shooter was a republican seem just misinformed, so to those I explain that this shooter obviously wanted to stop trump at all costs and that he had a motive to vote in the republican primary despite voting for the democrats and it not being representative of an actual republican voter. But anyone wishing Trump was dead or glorifying the shooting is absolutely evil.

[Juxtapose]

@sawno if the shoe was on the other foot they would easily be able to justify a republican voting Democrat and registering as Democrat for the purposes of infiltrating a Democratic event.

This gives me newfound appreciation for how patient Daryl Davis is in convincing Ku Klux Klan members to give up the organization over years.. because holy shit these people are just as bad.

[sawno]

If the shoe was on the other foot I doubt you'd have republicans celebrating it. They'd be condemning the attack. If this happened to Biden I think a portion of the republicans would probably still think the democrats did it (Hilary Clinton comments) but they'd all be against the fact it happened. The fact we even have the sicko's who are disappointed it didn't kill him says a lot, and the fact its always violence against right wing politicians also says a lot. And in general the political trend is that leftists chase power, and right wing people chase morals.

[Juxtapose]

The Democrats are not proper leftists, they are Marxist pigs. They are not the same people I remember rallying against George W Bush and his obvious war crimes. They are now the war criminals and they are now cheering for political assassinations.

@OddBeMe even made a post shortly after this shooting where he tried to gain political points by talking about how gun control could have supposedly solved this problem. This is sick.

[sawno]

"They are not the same people I remember rallying against George W Bush and his obvious war crimes" those people primarily now vote conservatives like other real liberals like me who remember what liberty actually means. But in modern terms they are right wing because they are voting together with right wingers to preserve liberty and classical liberalism.

I also saw OddBeMe's question but didn't take offense to the gun control aspect. Multiple people argued that and I can easily debunk that because Pim Fortuyn in my own country (Right wing politician who would have had a hugely positive impact on our nation) got shot dead to and we don't have guns.

The reason I blocked him was for the "Like Hitler…bad guys get insanely lucky." comment he made not for that question.

[sawno]

Also interesting correlation between those who are evil and those who claim Trump staged it. One guy seemed genuine by being open minded and also against Biden with more in depth more analytical comments. So I gave him the benefit of the doubt and instead of blocking I countered with an analysis of why it wasn't staged. Next reply to someone he wishes Trump and Biden would both be killed.

[Juxtapose]

@sawno yeah this is all fucked up and the usual suspects are acting exactly is how we would have predicted.

I am with you that the Republicans are the ones preserving classical liberalism now and it is actually kind of wild.

[sawno]

Its wild, but it also makes real liberals side with them for the time being. But unlike other people who call themselves conservatives I don't pretend to do it with the intent to conserve. I want to go further than conservatives do (Mostly in protecting individual rights and introducing new ways to vote on policies directly so citizens have more say) and if my side wins there will inevitably come a time to part ways with actual conservatives because they'd be voting against the kind of reform that I want for the sake of keeping everything as it is. I am very honest about that one, but as long as we want the same things they have my support. And I expect a decent amount of them to not know they are liberals because the term became so toxic and still support my ideas.

[Juxtapose]

@sawno the founding fathers were actually very much so against democracy, especially direct democracy.

[sawno]

Thats why I don't call myself a conservative because direct democracy is something I have quite different views on than the average conservative. I think direct democracy done right is the best thing ever. We used to have referenda in my country, every single one the populus voted the best option, but every single time the establishment ignored the vote.

Couple of examples:
- In the UK they voted for more sovereignty of their country.
- In my country they voted against Ukraine associating with the EU since this could provoke a Russian war if Ukraine was to allied with the west, this ended up happening so doing at least a step against that would have helped.
- They voted against mass spying of citizens.
- They voted against having their constitution overruled by the EU.

Every single time voters even in a relatively bad referendum system compared to the one I thought up (Mine safeguards against media manipulation and ensures its not just an uninformed peoples vote trough despite allowing everyone to vote) turned out way better than the corrupt decisions of the politicians.

So in my opinion it should be a direct democracy alongside the existing system, I think it would fix a lot.

[Juxtapose]

@sawno how do you safeguard against media manipulation?

[PA19062024]

Yes, they're peaceful and anti-gun, except when they want to eliminate their opponents, or anyone who just might disagree with them about anything at all ever.

[DrPepper12]

He was a registered republican but did donate $15 to act blue

[BLP11520]

Unfortunately there are not jobs of all political types😑

[dustybiker2]

Fireworks and ketchup. The guy is a showboat.

[Pterodon]

But the shooter and a rally attendee is dead. Explain that

[Pterodon]

You need to watch Fox News if you want the most up to date info on Trump

[dustybiker2]

Wait. I need a min to absorb your last...

[Pterodon]

It’s the truth. If you want the truth about all things Trump you watch Fox. You think anybody else would show it live?

[dustybiker2]

Yeah.. gonna need another min

[sawno]

The violence always comes from the left.

[DrPepper12]

Like J6? Oh, right, that was antifa and crisis actors!! GTFOH

[sawno]

@DrPepper12 J6 wasn't an attack on a politician which I specifically was referring to, and yes watch the "Psyop the steal" documentary it documents well who the crisis actors were. The whole Team Orange thing for example. John Solovan. Those were the ones to storm in and cause some chaos, most of the other people there were peaceful and basically innocent as they thought they were legally entering the building.

[worldscolide]

They are alsoassive hypocrites.

[worldscolide]

Also massive ****

[msc545]

Nobody knows who did this.

[Pterodon]

Please. A Trump hater did this

[DrPepper12]

A registered Republican? 😳🤔

[Pterodon]

@DrPepper12 so I’m a registered democrat that always votes republican

[In_Trance]

It's fake

[Pterodon]

What is fake?