If Biden had campaigned on fixing America instead of convicting Trump would he be better off?

[Pterodon]

He’s always been a divider what with his not wanting schools desegregated, crime bill and you ain’t black remarks. He ran a campaign of hatred

[Syntosi]

... I mean he did run a campaign on fixing America, and then he mostly fixed it as well. His work on the economy especially has earned him a lot of respect from economists and we also have the whole cancelling student debt thing and lowering medical costs. He is doing just fine in practice. The problem is that people like you never bother to learn what he actually did and just form assumptions that fits into your narrative and worldview.

[Billlewis]

@Syntosi You're freaking crazy, but it's alright, I'm still your friend.

[Syntosi]

@Billlewis Oh? Is there something that I said that you think is wrong?

[Pterodon]

No he didn’t he ran a campaign of Trump hatred instead of unity

[MrOracle]

Biden did not "cancel" any student debt. He doesn't have the power to do that. What he DID do was try to get TAXPAYERS (i. e., largely the middle class) to pay for some people's student debts. That is NOT a good thing, it's a TERRIBLE thing.

No one is required to go to college - it's optional. No one is required to take out student loans - that's optional. No one else decided to pursue a course of study that would not assure a high income - that was purely that person's choice. So, why should taxpayers, who either didn't go to college and didn't get the benefits of college, or people who DID go to college and paid their own way and/or paid their own loans off, be forced to pay for someone ELSE's student loans? That's insanity, and it's terrible for the economy and it's terrible for the value of colleges, because it destroys competition.

And, again, Biden did NOT lower medical costs - he simply shifted some costs from the patient to taxpayers. Again, that's WRONG.

There's lots of things that could be fixed, but that's definitely NOT what Biden was doing.

[Syntosi]

@MrOracle Actually Biden did in fact cancel a bunch of student debt. Around 168.5 billion dollars last I checked. Of course, the Republicans blocked his student debt cancellation legislation from going through the house and congress but he just started to cancel federal student debt instead.

Since its owed to the federal government and not to private institutions that means the president has more power over it and can exert that power through executive actions. Furthermore there are things like the PSLF program which can be expanded and advertised. Joe Biden has spent pretty much his whole presidency attacking student debt with countless different small actions before the supreme court or others can react to stop him. A billion here and there quickly adds up to.. about 168.5 billion dollars as stated earlier.

I also dont think its a bad thing to use tax payer money to pay for student debt.

Also Biden DID lower medical costs. Things like capping the cost of certain medications etc.. That said he has once again been limited in how much he can punish the corporations for ruining the system because the Republicans refuse to vote on legislation that would help the average person in favor of protecting the wealthy.

[Syntosi]

@Pterodon
He did not. Go and look at his campaign yourself if you dont believe me. It is publicly available after all.

[Pterodon]

Why don’t you go lick his butthole

[Syntosi]

What for? can't handle the fact that what you are suggesting is utterly ridiculous? Dont like being called out for spouting absolute nonsense?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Pterodon @MrOracle Unfortunately for us and the United States as a whole, far-left liberals are no different than lemmings running off a cliff.

www.reuters.com/.../

Thankfully we got another phenomenal decision by the courts to block this stupidity. Borrowers need to learn financial responsibility and pay their own damn debts and bills. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to use taxpayer dollars to permanently forgive student loan debt is a fucking imbecile.

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 Its pointless. Biden did not start his campaign against student debt by thinking the supreme court would not stop him, that was always part of the plan. Or rather, the plan was to forgive as many as he could before the court could step in and when they do, oh well there are countless other schemes running at the same time that also forgives student debt.

The supreme court does not have a chance to act in time to actually stop Biden since he can just start up more and more programs. It is like cutting a head of a hydra, its a pointless exercise. I also find it hilarious that you think student debt is a good thing, truly shows your personal character.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi I never stated that debt is a good thing. I accurately stated that people need to learn personal financial responsibility and pay for their own fucking bills. They're called student LOANS for a reason. They're not meant to be permanent handouts. People who go to college and get degrees in marketable and employable fields almost never have problems paying off their student loan debt. It's not the responsibility of employed taxpayers to financially bail out collegiate deadbeats because they made poor choices by majoring in unemployable fields and getting unemployable degrees.

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 Need to learn -> Debt is important for teaching them -> Debt is a good thing

Try to keep up with your own reasoning here buddy. Also I think you are an idiot because what you just described is terrible financial policy. "Oh yeah, lets saddle our best and brightest which is supposed to carry the nation with massive debt in the period of their lives when they are supposed to be the most productive and most innovative." You are pissing away your own national potential for a childish reason as teaching personal responsibility, what a dumbass.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi If they're genuinely the best and the brightest, then they'll have no problem being hired in their fields of expertise, starting lifelong careers that benefit themselves and society, and paying off their own fucking student loans. People who believe otherwise and argue against individual personal financial responsibility are nothing more than dangerous socialists with bowls of stale oatmeal in their heads.

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 In other words, enslaving their talent and potential to previous generations and missing out on all the potential innovation they could have achieved if they were free to progress society by themselves. Yeah, that is pissing away your national potential.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi If they're that genuinely talented and innovative, then they'll have no problem being hired in their fields of expertise, starting lifelong careers that benefit themselves and society, and paying off their own fucking student loans. People who believe otherwise and argue against individual personal financial responsibility are nothing more than dangerous socialists with bowls of stale oatmeal in their heads.

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 How pathetic.

Lets imagine for a moment that we have a brilliant new student. To get the best education he takes up a large loan to go to a very prestigious school and spend many years studying.

Then after school, when they have the most relevant information taught to them by their school, the most energy to push for change and the most innovative thinking.. well.. they need to pay off their student debt so they take the first best high-paying job (lol) that they can. Does it matter to the nation that they are flipping burgers or doing some other pointless menial task? Not really. But they are going to spend the next 20-30 years of their lives to repay that loan before they are freed up to achieve their ambitions such as starting a new company or researching new technologies.

Lets say they graduated at age 25 and that they repaid their student debt after 20 years rather than they graduating at 30 and taking 30 years to repay. That makes them 45 years old by the time they can actually start contributing to society. Putting aside how their youth was wasted and their years where they were the most brilliant are long past, you only have so many more years left before they go into retirement too.

And somehow that is going to be the cornerstone of your future generations that is keeping America ahead of the rest of the world. To put it simply, America is screwed if you treat your talent like this.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi If the person that you're describing is as talented, innovative, and important as you claim, then that person will have no problem being a productive, functional, and useful member of society while also paying their own student loan debt. It's called multitasking and being a mature responsible adult.

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 Ahaha "Multitasking"? What a worthless excuse for robbing them of their future.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi So college graduates should just be allowed to rob the taxpayers of the United States instead, just because they happened to graduate college? Go fuck yourself. If a college graduate can't get a job and pay their own bills after graduating from college, then they wasted their time going to college. However, if they're as talented, innovative, productive, functional, useful, and important as you described, then they shouldn't have any problems paying off their own student loan debt. Part of being a fully functioning responsible adult is not having to rely on other people to pay your debts and bills.

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 Money is just money, I dont particularly care how its spent quite frankly even if I happen to know that investing into children and young adults is pretty much the best return you can possibly get.

But sure, lets say they are doing the magical "multitasking" and "being an adult" (AKA being exploited and covered in massive debts for the crime of existing). What does this actually mean though?

I mean if you spend your time working and then "multitasking" your innovation then first of all you won't have any time or energy for things like building relationships or starting family.. or god forbid, maintaining a healthy life. But lets say you magically, someone using a time machine or whatever, manage to squeeze out 50% of your capacity away from your work which you have to do for repaying your loans and use that to innovate.

How much is 50% of Einstein worth? 50% of Nicolas Tesla? 50% Thomas Edison?

Crippling your best and brightest.. and for what? So that they can "learn to be an adult"? Pathetic. All I am seeing is someone selfish enough to burn the country down so that you personally won't feel like your tax payer money is helping some yucky poor person. If you ask me, then you are a traitor to both your country and the values it stands for.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi I'm quite sure that if the college graduates that you're crying about wind up being as talented and as innovative as Einstein, Tesla, and Edison, then they'll have absolutely no problem being gainfully employed and easily be able to pay back their own student loans.

The United States is based and built on MERIT, not socialism. If you want someone else to pay your bills because you're incompetent, then go live in your parents' basement and spend the rest of your life mooching off of them and polishing their couch with your ass.

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 Yeah they would probably pay back their loans, in a decade or two. But that is a decade or two that you lose from their most productive period of their life. If people like Einstein had been burdened with a student debt then they would not even be half the men they turned out to be.

I can imagine it not. USA, the country built on "MERIT".. with only half-assed geniuses to support its growth. How sad.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi Paying your own bills doesn't make you "half-assed". It makes you an ADULT and a RESPONSIBLE PERSON. Just because YOU aren't useful and talented enough to be both productive and pay your bills at the same time doesn't mean others are the same way. Stop protecting your personal faults and failures onto others. How sad.

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 Splitting your effort makes you half-assed. No matter how much you twist and turn this issue, they will never be able to dedicate their whole time and effort into progressing the nation as long as you demand them to be "ADULT" and a "RESPONSIBLE PERSON". Every day they go to work to pay off their debt is another day your nation suffers their absence.

Quite frankly, I am starting to question if you know what a job is considering you think it comes without a cost or consequence. Actually, it reminds me of a quote:
“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.”

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi Paying your own personal bills doesn't make you "half-assed". It makes you an ADULT and a RESPONSIBLE PERSON. Expecting other responsible people to pay your own personal bills is half-assed. Just because YOU aren't useful and talented enough to be both productive and pay your bills at the same time doesn't mean others are the same way. Stop projecting your personal faults and failures onto others. How sad.

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 Kinda strange how other countries can do all that responsible adult thing without crippling their children for 20-30 years dont you think? How inefficient.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi Nonsense. People who get college degrees in useful, marketable, and employable fields that are beneficial to society almost never have any problems whatsoever paying off their own student loans. Very effective, responsible, and efficient. Just because YOU aren't useful and talented enough to be both productive and pay your bills at the same time doesn't mean others are the same way. Stop projecting your personal faults and failures onto others.

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 Yes. Very useful and "marketable" (WTF dude?) skills.. Theoretical math.. or Astrophysicist... or any number of other educations which are brilliant for scientific and innovative pursuits but otherwise won't give you any job prospects.

You know, I am a practical person. I care about what actually works in reality, not what makes my fee fees happy. This is an incomprehensibly awful idea that has never worked.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi There are always career openings available for high-end scientific mathematicians and astrophysicists, and they make excellent money. So they'll have no problem being innovative and productive while also paying off their own student loans. All of your arguments are logically absurd and financially nonsensical. It's not the responsibility of other employed taxpayers to financially bail out collegiate deadbeats because they made poor choices by majoring in unemployable fields and getting unemployable degrees. Just because YOU aren't useful and talented enough to be innovative, productive, and pay your bills all at the same time doesn't mean others have the same lame limitations on their personal abilities and talents. Stop projecting your personal faults and failures onto others.

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 Yes! Excellent money! They only need to wait 20 years to repay their student loans! Truly the height of envy! But again, if you are working to pay off your loans, you are not working to progress humanity. They are pretty much mutually exlusive for young adults without financial backing.

I guess the thing you have failed to comprehend the most in our exchange is that, while you dont think its the responsibility of employed taxpayers to financially bail out students, they are likewise also not responsible for uplifting your sorry ass.

These things dont just magically happen so sitting on your ass and waiting for the next genius to invent the new sliced bread for you to enjoy.. well its very naive to say the least. As I have said before, you invest in these "collegiate deadbeats" because there is a return. Money goes in, more money comes out. Its very simple I assure you.

Your stupid belief in libertarian utopia, or whatever the fuck dystopian nightmare you dream about nightly is built on not having the slightest understanding of how the real world actually work. Which is nothing new I assure you. From my conversations with you previously it has become abundantly clear that you dont have the best grasp on reality.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi A person being a college graduate doesn't automatically mean they're now more equipped to better humanity. It depends on their major (s) and their field (s) of expertise, and their ability to apply themselves with that expertise. So no, it's not automatically "money goes in, more money comes out". People who graduate with useless pointless degrees are an unemployable burden on society, and not a benefit to society. The United States is based and built on MERIT and ABILITIES, not socialism. If you want someone else to pay your bills because you're too damn incompetent, then go live in your parents' basement and spend the rest of your life mooching off of them and polishing their couch with your ass. All of your arguments are logically absurd and financially nonsensical. It's not the responsibility of other employed taxpayers to financially bail out collegiate deadbeats because they made poor choices by majoring in unemployable fields and getting unemployable degrees. The cream if the crop always rises to the top. Just because YOU aren't useful and talented enough to be innovative, productive, and pay your bills all at the same time doesn't mean others have the same lame limitations on their personal abilities and talents. Stop projecting your own personal faults, failures, and shortcomings onto others.

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 "Useless pointless degrees are an unemployable burden on society"? Oh please, as a "great" man once said:
Stop projecting your own personal faults, failures, and shortcomings onto others.

Your idea of MERIT and ABILITIES (just shut the fuck up with these random ass capitalization already) is so backwards that people would have a greater chance for success back in Ancient Greek. Talk about devolving society. Instead of creating a world for our children that is better than the one we grew up in, you instead want to bring us back down to such barbaric practices. For shame.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi It's "back in ancient GREECE", not "back in Ancient Greek". People live in a country. People don't live in a language. You're a full-blown embarrassment. Maybe you should try learning how to properly maneuver through the English language before posting your stupid and dangerous socialism "ideas" on this site (or posting them anywhere, for that matter).

Also, I'll capitalize whatever needs to be emphasized. For example: YOU'RE A BACKWARDS DANGEROUS BRAIN-DEAD SOCIALIST.

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 Actually you are wrong. Greece did not exist back then either. They were independent citystates such as Athens of Thebes or Sparta. Completely different type of society that is honestly not even analogous with our modern interpretation of nations.

But of course, you knew all that since you were trying to be a smartass and correct me right? You would not embarrass yourself by incorrectly correct me now would you?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi It's no secret the many parts of Europe was littered with city-states for centuries. It doesn't change the fact that you didn't type Athens or any other city-state as an example. You typed "Ancient Greek" as a location, which further shows you to be an idiot. So stop with the attempted backpedaling and misdirection.

Better to be a smartass (me) than a dumbass (you).

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 I never intended to be particularly accurate either in time-period nor location because I am not a pedantic asshole. You however tried to correct me which means you did try to be precise about it.. and you failed.. because you dont actually understand the time period nor their government structures.

This allows me to be critical of you and your knowledge since you are the one who tried to correct me. Like for example pointing out that the Greek world extended far beyond Greece itself such as this map:


As such, pointing towards the location of Greece itself is also wrong. Nice try correcting me but try read up next time.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi Wow! The Greek Empire was... an EMPIRE? ? To HeLl YoU sAy!

The irony of some random idiot (you) advocating for socialism bullshit while simultaneously complaining about dystopia is hilarious and disturbing at the exact same time.

"Nice try correcting me but try read up next time."

Nice grammatically incoherent gibberish. Maybe you should be focusing on finishing and passing grade school before worrying about college.

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 AHAHAHAH! Empire? Oh god no. Like honestly, what gave you that idea? The ancient greek city states are about as far away from an empire as you could possibly get.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi Alexander The Great's (Greek) empire looks like it was pretty empirish to me:

www.reddit.com/.../

www.greekgateway.com/.../

[Syntosi]

@NYCQuestions1976 Alexander the great is not really from ancient Greece you know and he has nothing to do with that map I showed you earlier. Wrong time period im afraid. Try again.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi The time period is irrelevant. Empires have come in different forms throughout human history. An empire of Greek city-states around the Mediterranean and Black Seas (influence), or a more unified Greek Empire governed by one (direct rule), are both still considered Greek empires. My point being, I brought up that there was an Ancient Greek Empire, and your incorrect response to me bringing it up was, "Empire? Oh god no." So I posted proof. Here's more:

"The ancient Greek empire extended far beyond modern-day Greece, reaching as far as Italy in the west and the territories of modern-day Turkey and Ukraine in the east. Greek colonies and settlements also stretched to southern Italy, Sicily, North Africa, and the coasts of southern France and Spain by the seventh and sixth centuries BC. The Greek colonies on the Iberian Peninsula were the farthest from Greece, located about 1,100 miles from mainland Greece.

Alexander the Great's conquests further expanded the Greek empire, stretching from Greece all the way to India by the time of his death in 323 BCE. His campaign of conquests spanned across Anatolia, Syria, Phoenicia, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Persia, Afghanistan, and India, extending the boundaries of his Macedonian Empire as far east as the city of Taxila in modern-day Pakistan.

After Alexander's death, the Hellenistic period (323-31 BCE) saw Greek power and culture extended across the Middle East and as far as the Indus Valley. When Rome absorbed the Greek world into its empire, Greek ideas, art, and culture greatly influenced the Romans."

Now it's that special time again for you to go be stupid somewhere else.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Syntosi Of course, before you go be stupid somewhere else, since your A. D. D. hijacked the thread, back on topic:

A person being a college graduate doesn't automatically mean they're now suddenly more equipped to better humanity. It directly depends on that person's major (s) and their field (s) of expertise, and their ability to apply themselves with that expertise. So no, it's not automatically "money goes in, more money comes out". People who graduate with useless pointless degrees are an unemployable burden on society, and aren't a benefit to society. The United States is based and built on MERIT and ABILITIES, not stupid dangerous backwards socialism. If you want someone else to pay your bills because you're too damn incompetent, then go live in your parents' basement and spend the rest of your life mooching off of them and polishing their couch with your ass. All of your arguments are logically absurd and financially nonsensical. A world for our children that is better than the one we grew up in includes teaching our children personal financial responsibility not saddling them with the student debt from other people. It's not the responsibility of other employed productive taxpayers (or their children when they become employed productive taxpayers) to financially bail out collegiate deadbeats because they made poor choices by majoring in ridiculous unemployable fields and getting ridiculous unemployable degrees. The cream of the collegiate crop always rises to the top. People who graduate college with innovative degrees that are legitimately beneficial to society will just about always land well-paying careers. Just because YOU aren't useful and talented enough to be innovative, productive, and pay your bills all at the same time doesn't mean others have the same lame limitations on their personal abilities and talents. Stop projecting your own personal faults, failures, and shortcomings onto others.

Now you many continue with your stupidity elsewhere.

[ProbablyClueless]

Real talk, ALL Biden had to do to win the country over permanently is to not be shitty and spiteful to Trump. That was literally all he had to do.

If he just left in place the stuff Trump did that worked (most of it), built off of those policies, everything would be great.

But he just couldn't do it. That vindictive spitefulness is why we're in the situation we're in.

[Pterodon]

Exactly

[sage2021]

It's amazing how he ran most of his campaign hiding out in his basement for over 100 days and the rest of it dividing the people.

And he still won?

Come on!; Trump has been right all along he cheated and that's what the democrats do. Lie and cheat!

What good are they?

[Guacamole409]

Never in my life have I seen Dems throw another Dem off a cliff, until now. Us conservatives need to be silent and let them eat their own. They voted for the dumbest idiot on the planet, so let them enjoy it.

[Avicenna]

Well, in theory the time his administration spent on trying to imprison Trump would have been better spent on domestic policies that benefit ordinary Americans, but this administration has had absolutely awful policies, so it would almost certainly have rolled out additional bad ones if it had been more focused on domestic policy instead of its TDS.

[exitseven]

Biden did not do anything to fix America. If he would have kept all Trump's policies in place and just hung out at Rehoboth Beach and have ice cream he would have been a pretty good president. He had to do everything opposite to what President Trump did. He will be remembered as the worst president we ever had.

[noohair]

He tried to blame everything on Trump. If he says he needs to fix things, then what the hell has he been doing for the last 3 ½ years?

[StudyingAuthor]

What I think Biden should do is tell everybody what he's actually done for america, because it needs to be heard.

[MrOracle]

He did!

"We beat Medicare!"

[Iron_Man]

He’s had nearly 4 years he’s done absolutely nothing but hurt us financially he had his chance

[NYCQuestions1976]

Probably. Biden should've also focused on negotiating stairs, bicycles, and talking.

[OtterMan68]

He's not campaigning on convicting Trump

[Pterodon]

Sure he is. Everything out of his mouth is anti Trump

[OtterMan68]

can you point to some commercials or comments from him where he says people should vote for him because he's convicting Trump?

[Pterodon]

He’s called him a convicted felon and made comments during his campaign that Trump was tied up in court. Only democrats tried convicting him. Biden pulled the strings

[Guacamole409]

Don't do it Pterodon, you'll be wasting your time.

[OtterMan68]

ah, so that mean's that's what he's running on. Last interviews I've seen with him, he's talked more about the country than Trump

[Pterodon]

That’s right the latest interviews. Not his earlier ones. Too little too late.

[OtterMan68]

https://joebiden.com/
Why is Trump running on using the DoJ to go after his political enemies? He's literally talked about in interviews and speeches.

[Pterodon]

Who started it? Turn about fair play. Paybacks are a bitch aren’t they?

[OtterMan68]

What charges are the Biden DoJ bringing against Trump?
Shouldn't Trump be running on issues, not his vendettas?

[Guacamole409]

Biden isn't in prison because he has dementia. Fact.

[OtterMan68]

@Guacamole409 why won't Trump run on issues and not vendettas?

[Pterodon]

Trump is running on the issues. He slams the border and wars and the economy all the time

[Guacamole409]

Does Biden have dementia?

[OtterMan68]

@Guacamole409 you just said "Who started it? Turn about fair play. Paybacks are a bitch aren’t they?"
Now you say he's running on the issues, which is it?

[Pterodon]

He hasn’t started anything yet but I hope he will. Look at what the Dems have tried doing to Trump. From a debunked Russia collusion all the way to an assassination attempt with DEI secret service supposed to be protecting him so stfu.

[OtterMan68]

so Trump IS running on vendettas?

[Guacamole409]

I never said that

[worldscolide]

He would have done a lot better

[msc545]

Yes.