How can Biden be considered the greatest president of all time?

[Surely]

The Democrats have been saying that Biden will be remembered as the greatest president ever. Now that the senior elite democrats have turned their backs on him. Forcing him with threats, to withdraw from running for reelection. What will history say about Biden?

[lightbulb27]

We'll, they've been lying through media for four years, it's crystal clear over the last few weeks... and you're just picking on one lie. Realize, that people whom are delusional... think they are right... and there really are "little cops and robbers" running around..."and people following them"... that's paranoid delusional. So, in their view, he is...

hollywood will make a movie about him with all the details starting from the most beautful and energizing inauguration ever... secure his legacy, someone will write a book which sells 500 million worth with a huge advance from goldman sachs, and he will be the greatest... of eternity.

but I don't think he will get a nobel peace prize like his buddy before him... Obama. That's after obama apparently ignited the ukraine war. ya never know though... that will be on the agenda... secure legacy.

[OlderAndWiser]

Democrats are saying that to try to make themselves appear to be less evil. That trick doesn't work on me.

[OlderAndWiser]

Thanks for MHO!

[DrPepper12]

Why evil? isn't it really just differences over policies and methods?

[OlderAndWiser]

@DrPepper12 They want to minimize the appearance of evil in promoting him as the candidate and then taking it away from him and nullifying millions of votes in the primaries.

[DrPepper12]

Thats not evil. Its unfortunate but we can't quible over pricess when its essential to stop MAGA for the Republic to survive

[OlderAndWiser]

Divisive rhetoric.

[Wallythewalrus2]

Because a group of hand picked "historians" that had gatherings at the Whitehouse, said he was. Then, of course the media and Uncle Joe ran with it. If you go by approval ratings, George W Bush must be the second greatest.

[abc3643]

You don't "handpick" over 100 presidential historians because it's not that big of a field.

[Wallythewalrus2]

@abc3643 Can you tell exactly what criteria you have to meet to be appointed a "presidential historian"?

[abc3643]

Actually yes. They are identified in the results.

[Wallythewalrus2]

@abc3643 What? Maybe I should dumb down the question. How can I be anointed a "presidential historian"? Is it a degree? Do I have to take some type of bar exam?

[abc3643]

Well, it's pretty much like everything else...
You are qualified and then earn a living at it.
Presidential historians are typically people who have degrees in politics and/or history, but may even have degrees in other things such as economics, law, or some other social science. And, these people usually write books and/or teach and/or are pundits.

Three examples of presidential historians who are often on TV are Dolores Kearns Goodwin, Michael Beschloss, and Richard Norton Smith.

Take a look at the people listed here; this is C-SPAN's 2021 survey about Presidents (Biden was considered).
www.c-span.org/.../?page=participants
Almost none of these people are household names with the possible exception of Richard Norton Smith although I did recognize economist Lee E. Ohanian, historian Jeffrey Engel who heads SMU's Center for Presidential History, and David Farber.

Anyway, you can look up the people there to get a sense of their backgrounds. Furthermore, C-SPAN's poll is not unlike Siena's. With so many people being surveyed AND the methods with which they rankings are compiled, the rankings have statistical merit.

www.c-span.org/.../?page=participants

[abc3643]

* Biden WASN'T considered... he was just on the job when the poll was taken.

[DrPepper12]

@abc3643 yeah its almost like he belonged on the list by having held the office... WTF?

[Wallythewalrus2]

@abc3643 There are no qualifications to become a presidential historian. Anyone can claim to be one. Yes, most are anointed as being one when they have degrees from liberal college's and get called one by their liberal peers or members of the well respected media. Then they get jobs working for Biden's Whitehouse (John Meacham) and have their hand picked friends meet with him (at the Whitehouse) and vote a guy that hasn't even finished his first term as president, was found to be unelectable for a second term, so his own party forced him to step aside, and has a 36% approval rating, as the 12th best president. Yeah, that sounds legitimate.

[Surely]

I guess that is like Obama getting the Nobel Peace Award before he actually did anything as president!

[abc3643]

That's because you don't have to be President to win the Nobel Peace Prize.

Obama, solely by being who he was -the first Black US President - had an effect of the world His election was symbolic of moving race relations forward in the world..
The Nobel Peace Prize Committee deemed that sufficient to bestow the award on him. After all, he was the first Black person who, by his nature, was able to win the election. I didn't think much of him when he initially campaigned but then I saw the effect he had... calming, intelligent, optimistic... He was a unifying force. Thus, he changed me too and I voted for him... twice.

[onedarkcloud]

@abc3643 Also who is hiring the historians and paying them I am not singling any one party but all parties are included

[DrPepper12]

That was a BULLSHIT move. He deserved it as much as i do at that point in his administration

[DrPepper12]

@abc3643 agreed @abc3643 it was a crock of 💩

[sage2021]

See, that is exactly why I cannot watch the news anymore. It is disgusting the way they tell lie after lie - like the lie.

I'm saving on my electric bill. No more paying for someone to lie to me in my own home!!

[Dongie]

I canceled my cable in March of 2022.

[sage2021]

@Dongie
I stopped watching TV 5 months ago.
Although I did watch the Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu present his speech at the U. S. Capitol while the protesters were right outside burning our American 🇺🇸 flag right on the grounds of where the Capitol building is.
For the life of me I cannot understand how our government allowed such a protest to take place there and burn our precious American 🇺🇸 flag and NO ONE TRIED TO STOP THEM!!
APPARENTLY THESE PROTESTERS RULE OVER AMERICA! WHY DO THEY GET AWAY WITH IT?😔🙄🤢

[Dongie]

I think that is because of the liberals here taking Hamas' side.

[Dongie]

That's OK, their opinion means shit.
I say the one that got shot is the fuckin king of America.

[DrPepper12]

@Dongie NO ONE sides with Hamas!!! MANY side with Palestinians!!

[DrPepper12]

@Dongie a monarch? Do you hear yourself? How was your 4th of July traitor?

[Dongie]

That's Satan dr pepper

[DrPepper12]

@Dongie Who does that?

[Dongie]

Come again. Who does what?

[Dongie]

I'm not the one who doesn't mind a little voter fraud and murder to get my way. That's a traitor.

[Dongie]

So when does school start up there in Jersey?

[Dongie]

@DrPepper12, hey, check that question up there. 👆

[DrPepper12]

Protestors? 🤔

[DrPepper12]

@Dongie what fraud? Murder?

[DrPepper12]

@Dongie Depends. Some late August some post labor day.

[DrPepper12]

@Dongie Biden IS the greatest one term POTUS of my lifetime starting with carter.

[sage2021]

Ya know I had that doctor pepper guy blocked but then I read an opinion of his and gave him another chance.
On the way first question (this one) I could clearly see why I blocked him before.
So, I blocked him again and this time he's staying blocked!

[Dongie]

Hahaha, good one.

[exitseven]

He was never a y damn good. Right from rhe start he has tried to ruin America. If it wasn't for the resistance and the return of President Trump he may have succeeded

[DrPepper12]

"If it hadn't been for those meddling kids I would have succeeded!"

[abc3643]

He won't be remembered as the greatest but he will be remembered as above average. It's a real shame that he didn't get a chance to properly run in 2016. He would have been a 2-termer.

[onedarkcloud]

in the destruction of America

[abc3643]

@onedarkcloud
Don't be an idiot. It's very unbecoming.

Furthermore, presidential historians and other political scientists rate Biden as above average while Trump wallows near the bottom. Both of these sites are cited by news sources.

https://presidentialgreatnessproject.com/
2024 poll
BIDEN: 14th out of 45
TRUMP: 45th out of 45

scri.siena.edu/.../
BIDEN: 19th out of 45
TRUMP: 43rd out of 45

[abc3643]

Siena was 2022; I forgot to add that. Siena will have another poll in 2026; they always do a new poll after the first year of a new president.

[DrPepper12]

They're immune from facts. Its noble of you to try though.

[onedarkcloud]

We also know like elections. polls can be rigged. Like the old saying numbers don't lie. but you can make them!

[Dongie]

😅😅😅😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Dongie]

And there is no biased eay guys🤪😝😝🤪🤪🤪🤪

[onedarkcloud]

The only thing Biden will be remembered for in the three or four decades in his last office was now wait for it no law or anything useful renaming a police station for a fallen police officer which is a nice thing to do. That is the extent of his greatness. His greatest flub was voting against civil rights

[Dongie]

Here, here, @onedarkcloud

[abc3643]

@onedarkcloud
Yes, that was a flub looking back. It wasn't against civil rights, per se. This had to do primarily with bussing which was a big hot-button issue 40 years ago. A lot of people - including those who wouldn't consider themselves nor be perceived as bigots were against it. And, the idea of someone in Congress is to basically represent your constituency. His was overwhelmingly White in Delaware and bussing was not popular pretty much everywhere. Again, this was a major hot-button issue at the time. Let me know if you have any questions about it; I did live through those times and as a kid who went to school at that time, in principle, this would have affected me too except that almost everyone in my school district was white as the virgin snow.

[abc3643]

* 50 years ago, not 40 years ago.

[Dongie]

y'all can talk yourselves into and out of anything.🤪😝😝

[abc3643]

@Dongie Well, one thing Biden has gotten in the last election and would have in this one is the Black vote; he's rather popular with Black voters despite his anti-bussing stance 50 years ago.

As described by Ipsos, the French-bases marketing research firm...
www.ipsos.com/.../most-black-americans-continue-support-joe-biden

===
TITLE: Most Black Americans continue to support Joe Biden
SUBTITLE: Findings from the 2024 Washington Post/Ipsos Survey of Black Americans

18 June 2024
Public opinion Politics

Washington DC, June 18, 2024--The latest Washington Post/Ipsos Survey of Black Americans finds that in the 2024 presidential race, the majority of the Black community continues to support President Joe Biden. Biden has an edge over former President Donald Trump on topics of personal favorability, job performance, and personal attributes. However, lower stated interest in voting relative to 2020 and a slightly narrower gap in standing present some warning signs for the Democrat who likely needs a strong margin of victory from Black voters to win re-election.

Black Americans, by a large majority, prefer Joe Biden to Donald Trump.
...
===

[Dongie]

Eeh, I didn't read all that shit. Strong in the brainwashing, liberals are.

[abc3643]

@Dongie How is a survey of people "brainwashing"? A survey is a survey.
Ipsos explained how the survey was done at the bottom: "About the Survey".

Actually, I was rather impressed by how Ipsos documented how they did the survey. A lot more detail than is often given in surveys. Maybe because they are a market research firm that their surveying is their bread-and-butter so being transparent about how they surveyed is critical to their reputation as a market research firm.

[Dongie]

Heh, the brainwashing has already been installed or installed, programming. Then, when you need a poll, votes, street violence🫰

[Dongie]

A 2-termer, hah...😅

😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😝😝😝😝

[Dongie]

Ol' stumbling, bumbling, shuffling off to Buffalo, Joe.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂

y'all have me hurting here!!

[DrPepper12]

@onedarkcloud
@dongie
@abc3643

There was also, in part, protestation against bussing for the fuel costs after oil embargo. I think it was disingenuous but a lot of whites used this as an excuse. It had a major role in the stagflation of that era and people were PISSED OFF

[onedarkcloud]

OH! Then a Leopard CAN change its spot too!

[DJB72]

Mass senility and the failure of the education system in America confirming the nation has become an ineptocrisy where the least able to govern or generate an income are elected to lead the masses into the abyss...

[DrPepper12]

Well i dont think MAGA is THAT bad... Actually, yes they are... Sad!

[Dongie]

I wish we could roll in a monarchy here and crown DJT King.

[Dongie]

The left sides with Hamas due to their antisemitism. They sided with that jerk that crashed the towers bin laden.

[DrPepper12]

@Dongie we GENERALLY support Palestinians, not Hamas. Learn the difference

[DrPepper12]

@Dongie spoken like a true blue defender of the republic!!

[onedarkcloud]

He will be remembered as the greatest threat to the republic in its history, it remains to be seen if we survive his greatness.

[Surely]

You are correct. Though I believe that he is just continuing things that were put in motion by a previous administration. That he might have been part of.

[onedarkcloud]

How about we all come back here in a year and see if the Republic is still standing or if we are just another suburb of China. Will it be THE DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY OF AMERICA or the TRUMPTARD running the country?

[DrPepper12]

Whats the threat (s)?

[onedarkcloud]

@DrPepper12 That we become a suburb of communist China is that not enough of a threat for you?

[DrPepper12]

It can't and won't happen mulitarily. They have uncomfortable economic influence and spy way too much. Chinas rise is teally just returning to the global norm where China was the number one leader for everything. The most advanced civilization on this planet is an as always been China.

[DrPepper12]

Second that!

[onedarkcloud]

@DrPepper12 The collapse of THE REPUBLIC by giving away everything to THE DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY OF AMERICA No oil, No Gas reserves. Shortages of Medicine NoGas Stoves, No Electricity, Food Shortages [EAT BUGS] just a short list. OH! MAYBE CLOSE THE BORDERS TOO!

[NamerOfStars]

By ignoring the future (as most people do when they say "all time") AND the past. As the ONLY President, he's easily the greatest!

[AviatorTom]

It's a natural human reaction to try to cover your mistakes, just like the Dems are trying to do now.

[DrPepper12]

What mistakes?

[AviatorTom]

@DrPepper12 How about letting Biden be the de facto candidate and run through all the primaries and caucuses, knowing that he was getting old and having problems? That will be viewed by historians as a huge Democratic mistake, especially if they don't win the election.

[DrPepper12]

Mistake yes but just dumassery not furtively

[DrPepper12]

They will say that he exited an elder statesman in the tradition of Cincinnatus and that he is the most accomplished one-term president of our lifetimes.

[Danisa]

Becsuse he has been in politics for around half the time America has been around.

[DrPepper12]

So experience is bad? 🤔

[paledreams]

He's probably the last 100 percent caucasian president I guess in my mind 😛🙄 ahh America

[paledreams]

Continued: Given the way American demographics are evolving

[gorydetails]

Leftists don’t live on the same plane of reality as the rest of us.

[Dongie]

He is in their eyes. You have to remember the hierarchy of the left. All of those members have their minds controlled by the ruler of the world. If you don't know who that is then you need to open your eyes.

[DrPepper12]

I don't know!! Tell me please? Is it George soros? Did i guess right? Maybe "Big Mike"

[Dongie]

Satan

[DrPepper12]

Oh. Thats actually disappointing. Are you sure? Like the real Satan or him acting through people?

[Dongie]

You reckon he does both?

[DrPepper12]

I don't know. He doesn't exist for me! Thats why im asking you!

[Dongie]

Man, have you ever wondered about these things? You know the Catholic Church performs exorcism. Have you heard about the basement in the Vatican?

[Dongie]

If so, how about the Chronoviser?

[Pterodon]

I have no idea. He was the greatest at screwing America and Americans

[DrPepper12]

How?

[Pterodon]

@DrPepper12 with his open borders

[DrPepper12]

Some facts:
The borders are NOT open.
Everify is corrupt and broken
70% of illegal immigration is wirk visa overstays arriving via air - not the southern border
Hertage foundation, yes that ine, has stated repeatedly that study after study shows PUNITIVE fines for employers who hire them WOULD NOT if those fines were in place. No job? No immigration. Problem solved.

I hope that helps

[Pterodon]

@DrPepper12 the illegals they’re allowing in says otherwise

[FunkyMonkee]

You'd HAVE to be a SPECIAL KIND OF IDIOT for that!!

[Dargil]

The best before April 30, 1789.

[noohair]

Well, we know what is important for Dems.

[MrGSpotHer]

Omg pmsl 😂