Will Trump accept the results of the election and concede if he loses?

[msc545]

Yes he will

No he won't

If he loses that means it was rigged so no he won't

[DreamCrescent]

so, remember the election when Bush went against Gore?


there was a discrepancy between the popular vote and the electoral vote. or something like that, i can’t remember. the election wasn’t straightforward and the decision ended up going to the supreme court. at the time there was all kinds of tension and anticipation that since the election was that close of a call, one of the sides is going to end up so very pissed. like the supreme court was going to decide one way and people from the other party were going to riot in response and take to the streets


however, the court made the decision, and everyone just breathed like it was another Wednesday.


as tense as these things get, it takes a night to get over. someone wins and someone loses and there’s always the next cycle in 4 years. it’s not the end of the world.


i wish people would realize that

[slatyb]

Like they did in 2020?

[goaded]

I do remember 2000. The candidates were tied, with just Florida (with Governor Jeb Bush, brother of the Republican candidate) able to tip either one over 270 EC votes.

The difference in Florida was hundreds of votes in a state of around 20 million, and the voting machines had had problems ("hanging chads"), leading to multiple hand recounts to determine the intent of each voter.

SCOTUS reluctantly stopped the final recount, with Bush in the lead, shortly before the deadline in December. Gore accepted the ruling (which explicitly stated it should not be considered as precedent) and stood down, thus protecting the integrity of the electoral system and the constitution. (Some of the pressure on SCOTUS came from a "riot" by Republican operatives, organised by Roger Stone who would decades later be convicted of obstruction of justice on Trump's behalf before being pardoned by Trump.)

2020 was absolutely nothing like that. Trump needed to overturn the results in several states he'd lost by tens of thousands of votes. He knew he'd lost, and conspired to break the law in order to remain president, up to and including spending millions to bring a mob to DC to violently attack the Capitol.

[DreamCrescent]

thanks for the little details. very interesting

still, though. I’m surprised by the anger on the other side

thousands or tens of thousands of votes. half the country supports Trump. so what if he wins?

it won’t be a landslide and someone has to lose

Also Jan6 already happened. you can’t get that worked up all over again.

why don’t we all decide it’ll just be fine

[goaded]

Biden won with over seven million votes more than Trump. I was just referring to the unassailable wins in the swing states.

As to Trump's term, unlike now, he didn't have thousands of loyalists (to him, not the constitution) to take over the government and do everything he wants, no matter how illegal (not to mention SCOTUS just made it so he knows he can get away with crimes as president and nobody's allowed to look into his reasons for whatever he does). If you think that will be OK, you should think again.

On Jan 6, he tried to stop the valid count of the votes and get himself installed as president despite losing the election. He will try again.

[DreamCrescent]

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[Twalli]

@goaded hanging chad. In this case chad is both singular and plural. I think after bing sworn in Bush still wanted to see if he really won in Florida and he did.

[goaded]

@Twalli Apparently the plural can be either chad or chads. Either could have won, depending on how the ballots were re-counted. There were over 100,000 ballots where people managed to mark two presidential candidates; obviously, they didn't count, but tens of thousands more people voted Gore and a minor candidate than Bush and a minor candidate, leaving about 10,000 with votes for both or neither.

The real lessons to take away from that election is that voting machines need to be as near foolproof as possible and that Roger Stone has always been a cheating asshole willing to manufacture riots in attempts to ensure a Republican win.

en.wikipedia.org/.../2000_United_States_presidential_election_recount_in_Florida
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot

[loveslongnails]

That was the "hanging chad" issue with the voting machines. Instead of doing a re-vote, the Florida Court voted to throw out, in other disenfranchise, thousands of voters from the heavily Democratic district where it occurred. Bush ended up winning Florida by 537 votes, but over 4,000 votes were simply THROWN OUT by the Court. Jeb Bush, his brother, was Governor at the time. Huge scandal.

It was the start of the worst 8 years for the US economy since the depression, leading up to the Stock Market crash in 2008 where most people lost 40-60% of their portfolio. The war in Iraq and Dick Cheney raped the US economy.

Bush was ONLY President in recent history to inherit a surplus, thanks to Clinton, and turn it into a multi-trillion dollar deficit. That's what Republicans always do. Obama rebuilt the Bush disaster, gave it to Trump, who claimed he did it. Welcome to America.

[Twalli]

@loveslongnails Conservatives (so called, because they conservative almost nothing) haven't been good for the economy since Nixon. He was the last conservative who actually embodied that they claim to be. He was also the last Republican who believes in a republic.

[loveslongnails]

@Twalli For the most part, I agree with that assessment. Look at what it took for Nixon to step down versus the shit that's become normalized or overlooked by the maga-dolt population today! R's & conservatives will overlook and accept most ANY kind of vile behavior, so long as they can maintain power.

[Twalli]

@loveslongnails he also only stepped down knowing he would be kicked out if he tried to stay. He met with the republican leader of the house or senate (I don't remember which) and asked how many votes he had. He was told: maybe 4-6, and mine isn't one of those. That's why he stepped down. The best time to get Trump with an impeachment was when he couldn't do anything to prevent it (after he left office), but that failed. The most poignant argument to move forward on that was "I'm not worried about Trump running and winning again, I'm worried about what may happen if he loses again."

[loveslongnails]

@Twalli WHEN he loses again, there will be a certain number of misled idiots who decide to take up arms, and they will be put down by the military. So much for the "Law and Order" party, hmm?

[Tamera952]

Of course not. He is a liar & a cheat until his last gasp.

[AviatorTom]

In early voting, there are already reports from various states of people going to vote and being told they'd already voted (someone else voted in their name), being told they're no longer eligible to vote, and batches of fraudulent mail-in registrations. The system is catching some of this, but who knows how prevalent the fraud really is.

Trump rarely concedes anything, whether that be in business or politics. If there is any doubt, he will not concede. But life will go on.

[Twalli]

Most reports involving fraud have already been caught before being submitted. More are caught upon submitting. Most reports regarding fraud are bullshit and overwhelm those who have to check each one. With new laws in GA all cases must be heard in court. There is no limit to the number you can report. Over 1,000 possible cases of frahd have been reported. 6 people are responsible for these >1k reports. 2 were found valid.

[slatyb]

If there's fraud, it's almost certainly on the Republican side, as it has been for the past 30 years.

[Twalli]

@slatyb I think there is always fraud, but it affects about a total of 7% of the total vote. Not enough to flip a state because the 7% is spread across the entire country. My sister and I debated whether a poll question on widespread fraud meant a lot of it, or it covers a large area. She read it as it spreads across the whole U. S. (which it does) and I read it as it affects a large number of votes (which it doesn't)

[slatyb]

@Twalli It's no where near 7%. It's miniscule. No one has ever presented evidence of significant voter fraud, except maybe that one election in Tennessee where the Republican candidate stuffed the ballot box. I can look it up if you are curious.

Today we have MAGA-heads setting fire to ballot boxes in Washington and Oregon. So who is opposed to free and fair elections?

[goaded]

@Twalli There's so little voter fraud there are web pages listing them individually. https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud-print/search

[msc545]

@goaded Definitely not enough to affect outcomes, yet Republicans would have us believe it is worse than a Cat 5 hurricane. Assholes.

[lightbulb27]

no, not without a bunch of grumbling. but good thing is he is not in power so that will be squashed.

can only hope it is a landslide either way, that would help avoid this scenario.

What will all those swifties do... will they vote, and for whom? Time will tell...

get out your popcorn...

probably a good time to take a vacation...

[goaded]

Johnson still has power...

[goaded]

He'll rig the system with the help of other seditious Republicans.

If your state's votes for president aren't certified by the December deadline and Speaker Johnson refuses to extend it, what will you do?

[exitseven]

He said if it was a fair and honest election he will. I imagine if it is like the 2020 election with over a thousand people tht came forward to report fraud with evidence and lots of statistical abnormalities he will not and most Americans will not accept it either.

[exitseven]

@saraupstairs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZLdcSKXz5k

[slatyb]

There was no evidence. Dozens of lawsuits, all dismissed for lack of evidence.

[msc545]

There was no evidence at all. The people that came forward were all followers of his and were put up to it by him or his operatives.

[msc545]

That will happen again this time if he loses because Trump cannot accept the fact that a lot of his ideas and behavior are just completely unacceptable to most people. Apparently you can't accept it either.

[exitseven]

@slatyb There was plenty of evidence. Nobody wanted to look at it. There was video, physical ballots. photos and over a thousand signed affadavits stating that they witnessed voter fraud. None of these allegations were ever investigated or were investigated so poorly that nothing was found out. The Supreme Court was to cowardly to take the case so they refused to give the President of the United State standing in the court. If the FBI spent half the energy they used to investigate every citizen who was in DC on Jan6th. investigating voter fraud there never would have been a demonstration on Jan6th.

[msc545]

Really? Link the evidence.

[exitseven]

too many to list.

[Twalli]

SCOTUS can only hear a case if it's appealed up to thrm thjse cases weren't even heard by judges in lower courts. Those judges that didn't hear the cases were appointed by Trump. They weren't head due to insignificant evidence ot no evidence. If there was actual decent evidence of fraud, why hasn't anyone produced it. The biggest cases of fraud found were in Trump's favor.

[exitseven]

@Twalli it will not surprise me if after a very rudimentary investigation by an impartial law enforcement agency that a lot of the evidence that was not even looked at turns out to be true. If the FBI can track down a person that was in DC on Jan6th living in rural Maine almost 4 years later they could have found a white rental van and the person that rented it.

[msc545]

It will not surprise me if you are as usual quite wrong about this.

[msc545]

A "statistical abnormality" would be any election in which he got fewer votes than the other side according to MAGA and Trump himself.

[Twalli]

Because his egoism and narcissism has gotten to the point that he can't imagine anyone seeing him as less than he sees himself.

[slatyb]

He's still claiming he won in 2020 after losing bigly.

[slatyb]

"Too many to list..." Typical MAGA-head response. Just like Trump, they make unsupported claims and say things like "too many to list" or "look it yourself".

[exitseven]

@msc545 A statistical abnormality is when you count more votes than there are registered voters.

[Twalli]

There were more votes because mote people registered and voted. I noticed that Trump never claimed that the increased number of his votes were an issue.

[DrPepper12]

Better chance of him converting his NJ golf course into a ex wife cemetery for the tax breaks it gets...

Yeah MAGA, that's why he offered a GOLF COURSE as a cemetery. There is NO bottom with him.

[Anonymous]

better question is would the Democrats accept the results of the election and concede if they lose. keep in mind, they repeatedly call him Hitler so you should know the consequences of electing Hitler

[msc545]

Democrats have never not accepted the results of an election, and they had ample reason to when SCOTUS installed Bush and Gorse had really won.

[Snakeyes7]

To be fair, I don't think either side would accept the loss of their team.

[msc545]

The Democrats won't start riots over it; the Republicans might.

[Snakeyes7]

They did in 2016. You don't remember the chants of "not my president"?

[msc545]

I remember the chants but those were just speech. The Republicans did far worse.

[Snakeyes7]

They were burning flags, smashing windows and cars, beating up random people, putting graffiti on the walls saying things like "kill Trump" and holding signs saying that Melania should be raped.

[msc545]

Sounds like you were there - were you?

[Snakeyes7]

No but I have seen footage of this happening.

[msc545]

Link it please

[DrPepper12]

@Snakeyes7. I'd love to see your "proof" too!!

[bobby_bush_eater]

He'll accept the results, concession is unlikely

[Caroline91]

He said he won't.

[OddBeMe]

No. He'll make a million from the just the GaG users here.

[Dargil]

If there is substantial indication of fraud or illegal acts, he won't until they are litigated. The Democrats already have lawyers in place to do that. If they come out against him, he will.

[goaded]

Litigation is allowed, and was in 2020. It turns out many of the lawyers bringing the cases for Trump have since been punished because, as officers of the court, they are required not to lie or bring cases without evidence. After that, everything Trump did to stay president was illegal.

[msc545]

@goaded He will do it all again, and much more, illegal or not.

[saraupstairs]

No. He will bring back slavery.

[Sevenpointfive]

why would he lose? that's ridiculous

[Anonymous]

Nope he won't