What does everyone, especially those that support Trump, think of his plans to call a national emergency in order to deport immigrants?

[NimbleOcelot]

Before people saying he's not going to do this, he literally confirmed it himself. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/18/us/politics/trump-military-mass-deportation.html

• Also the fact that he also intends to denaturalize legal immigrants.

[lightbulb27]

I think it's excessive, but maybe that is required to get the resources and take out the ones that are trouble/high risk.

It is NE in that if there were bad actors that got in... need to take them out, before a terror strike. That is a legit risk and not sure any of us really know what the truth is or how high the risk is. they have caught such people at the border... but how many got in, how good is our intellgience to track and catch them.

you don't want another 9/11... not legals or legals. they kill everyone and anyone.

[exitseven]

It is a national emergency and he needs to do whatever is necessary to deport them all. It is too bad we have to do this but it is Bidens fsult.

[NimbleOcelot]

It's not, and you are stupid if you think it is. In fact, doing this will actually cause a lot of damage to the economy, which they admitted to.

[exitseven]

It will save the federal government at least half trillion dollars. Not to mention the billions that the states and cities are spending. Not to mention the public safety enhancement.

[NimbleOcelot]

No it won't. Like, Trump and Elon both said you'll have to deal with the pain when this happens, when it comes to the economy. They didn't even hide that. Not to mention their terrifs already have companies cutting bonuses and shit. Literally, where are you getting your info? Or is this one of those "just have faith" moments.

[exitseven]

Trump is. Ot even in office yet and companies have canceled plans to move their manufacturing facilities to Mexico because Trump said there would be a tariff if they made them in Mexico. Tariffs work if applied correctly.

[NimbleOcelot]

Except he's not going to apply them correctly. Literally no one else thinks he is.

[exitseven]

He did it right the last time. The steel industry was making a resurgence and inflation was 1,4%, What is it today?

[Anonymous]

Because we've more than we can support. We saw liberals in Martha's vineyard couldn't put up illegals for even a week despite thousands of vacant rooms and properties in the area, instead they had them locked up in a church basement under police guard and then had the national guard force them to leave by bus. But they did bring bottles of water and virtue signal about how welcoming they were.

[NimbleOcelot]

Everyone says that what Trump will be doing will be much harder on the economy than what is going on currently. This shouldn't be our number one priority by any stretch of the means. We should be focusing on fixing our economy, not hurt it in order to get rid of immigrants.

[Opinion Owner]

Everyone like who?

[NimbleOcelot]

Elon Musk for one, part of Trump's team. qz.com/elon-musk-donald-trump-economy-stock-market-tariffs-1851684972

[NimbleOcelot]

www.nytimes.com/.../...igration-inflation-fed.html

[Opinion Owner]

American companies leaving America is bad for economy. Who is going to buy the goods if they are unemployed

[NimbleOcelot]

Then why is our economy so strong You know what's worse for our economy? The money going towards the rich. Also, what do you think China will do if the US just suddenly stopped trading with them?

[Opinion Owner]

The people who voted for Trump obviously haven't noticed the economy being strong.

[NimbleOcelot]

The people who voted for Trump also didn't notice that it started going to shit in 2020.

[Opinion Owner]

The people remember how things went to shot when the biden/kamala regime took over and continued

[NimbleOcelot]

Yes, the first year. The economy doesn't happen instantaneously. Also remember that Biden tried to raise the minimum wage, and Republicans fought it.

[Opinion Owner]

People remember. All raising the minimum wage did was put people out of work and close restaurants. Inflation is through the roof

[NimbleOcelot]

Companies are making record profits. Also, when did this happen? Because the minimum wage hasn't changed in about 15 years, while prices have doubled. Not to mention minimum wage in other states and countries being higher still has just as much staff, sometimes more. Restaurants are already running on a skeleton crew, because they don't want to shell out more than needed, not because they can't. We have ample evidence none of what you said will happen aside from a few extreme cases, where they could then just get a better job that pays the new minimum wage.

[NimbleOcelot]

Stop listening to what the billionaires are telling you.

[NimbleOcelot]

They are not hurting.

[Opinion Owner]

Which billionaires should I listen to? The ones that backed the Biden regimes war in Ukraine?

[NimbleOcelot]

You should listen to none of them, especially Elon Musk who said Americans are lazy and should be working as much as the Chinese in Chinese slave factories. futurism.com/the-byte/elon-musk-chinese-workers

[Opinion Owner]

Americans are lazy. He's not wrong.

[NimbleOcelot]

Most of these "lazy Americans" are already working 2-3 jobs just to make rent, or are working a lot of overtime. There's a difference between being lazy and refusing to work your life away.

[Dkc123]

Promises made promises kept..!

[NimbleOcelot]

He also promised to be a dictator. Doesn't mean it's a good thing.

[noohair]

How many criminals do you want in your own home?

[NimbleOcelot]

Oh, so then let's start deporting our much more numerous amount of criminals, seeing as how US citizens commit more crime per Capita.

[noohair]

Is that what you want to say to Laken Riley's family? I am sorry you have a defect in your brain and can't tell the difference between a citizen and an illegal alien.

[NimbleOcelot]

I'm so sorry you have a defect in your brain that you think the same crime is more acceptable by someone who is legal, when legal citizens perform more crimes, and among those crimes, are more likely to perform violent crimes. The person responsible for Lake Riley faced life in prison.

[noohair]

The point I am trying to make is that when an illegal alien kills someone, that person would have been alive if the illegal did not come into the country. All crime is the same, I don’t want extra crime from illegals.

[NimbleOcelot]

Ok, but if they help or save someone, then that's one life that they helped that wouldn't have been helped or saved. Are you in favor of bringing back the death penalty?

[Pterodon]

I’m all for it.

[NimbleOcelot]

You are for using military force to get rid of legal and illegal immigrants?

[Pterodon]

Damn right and if they won’t go then shoot em

[NimbleOcelot]

Oh, so you are just racist

[Pterodon]

Nope. My girlfriend is black and I’ve raised a biracial stepson from birth. These people are all criminals. They entered illegally and need to be treated as criminals

[NimbleOcelot]

They are doing legal ones too through denaturalization. Also, even for the illegal ones, this is a very minor offense. Also, your girlfriend being black doesn't mean you aren't racist, especially when you consider the fact that this will mainly be used to target hispanic people.

[NimbleOcelot]

Oh, well since you are racist, your opinion does not matter to me.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Sounds good.

[NimbleOcelot]

So you are for using military force to deport legal and illegal aliens?

[seeyounexttuesday]

Who said anything about legal immigrants? Stop being stupid

[NimbleOcelot]

They are trying to denaturalize citizens.

thehill.com/.../

[seeyounexttuesday]

You would do well to learn how to fucking read. Literally from the article

“denaturalization” to go after people who have been citizens for years or decades, based on suspicions about purported fraud on their naturalization applications.

So, illegal immigrants.

[NimbleOcelot]

If they were suspected of fraud, they'd be gone. Also, this is a waste of my tax dollars.

[NimbleOcelot]

That's just a way to allow them to deport anyone.

[seeyounexttuesday]

lol. You live in an alternate reality.

[NimbleOcelot]

Well, they literally said it.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Yes, they literally said that if you lied on your immigration forms you are not a legal immigrant and subject to deportation. Thanks for playing.

[NimbleOcelot]

How would they know they lied if they didn't know already. What would they consider a lie? I don't think you realize how much this will allow them to get away with. But no, stay in denial thinking this is a good thing.

[seeyounexttuesday]

You’re trying so hard to pull this one out. You got embarrassed lying. Take your L

[NimbleOcelot]

Where did I lie? You can't just say I lied because you can't argue against my sources.

[seeyounexttuesday]

You said they were going deport legal immigrants. That is faculty untrue

[NimbleOcelot]

They literally said they are looking into denatrialization.

[seeyounexttuesday]

For what, say it with me, people who committed fraud on their immigrant papers - making them anyone, bueller, illegal immigrants.

[NimbleOcelot]

Except that it opens up to what they can say is fraud. If there was evidence of fraud, they'd have found it when bringing them in. So what process are they going to use to determine fraud? And what if someone just made a writing error or something? Does that count as fraud too? And for people born in the US, why should they be considered illegal? Also, why is the national guard needed?

[seeyounexttuesday]

Ah, so you're completely making up scenarios to be upset about. When you want to live in reality like the rest of us, let me know.

[NimbleOcelot]

It's called foresight. They are quite open about their plans on denaturalization. And they have been working overtime to make prison labor illegal. They are literally planning to make internment camps, but here you are ignoring the trees when you see the forest.

[seeyounexttuesday]

It's called being a drama queen.

[NimbleOcelot]

It's called the rich doing what they can to stay in power and increase their control, and you are allowing it.

[NimbleOcelot]

People are ignoring the scientists when the scientists are the ones who gave you your current quality of life.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Scientists? You mean the ones that said the covid shot was 100% effective and that toddlers needed to wear masks for 2 years? Or do you mean the ones that said you should eat most of your calories from carbs? Or do you mean the ones that predicted an ice age?