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1 yBiden will go down as the catastrophic failure who caused the war in Ukraine and put the entire planet on the brink of nuclear annihilation.
As soon as he took office he canceled all of President Trump's successful policies which were keeping Russia silenced. Stopping the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which prevented Russia from making billions of dollars to fund wars, approving missile defense systems in Eastern Europe which sent the message to Putin that his aggression would not be tolerated, putting economic sanctions on Russia which limited their oil sales and put the Putin regime on the brink of bankruptcy... These were all incredibly successful policies of the Trump administration that were decimated by the Biden Harris administration.
When Biden took office Russia was on the brink of bankruptcy. By undoing every one of President Trump's successful Russia policies Biden saved Russia from economic collapse and allowed them to gain strength which they immediately used to start the war in Ukraine.
Under Obama, Putin invaded Ukraine and stole Crimea from them.
Under President Trump, Russia was silent and didn't invade anyone. They were just trying to survive and economic catastrophe brought on by Trump policies.
Under Biden Russia invaded Ukraine again in a war costing Americans hundreds of billions of dollars with no end in sight and threatening nuclear world war.
Biden go down as a hero? That's an hysterical joke. He is already a catastrophic disaster no matter how this war ends.
PS: Biden did the exact same thing with Iran causing the war in the Middle East. He undid every one of Trump's successful sanctions and policies against Iran and allowed them to make billions of dollars that they used to attack Israel and start another war that threatens the destruction of the planet.
Biden is very likely the worst president in US history.
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The Russians had every reason to go into Ukraine in 2014 and 2022. Trump will only make it worse because he refuses to take the L
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1 yPoliticians are not heroes or villains in my mind, they are public servants. The difficult thing to take from the Ukrainian Invasion by Russia is, pressure. There was political pressure for months that President Biden not allowing long range missiles is crippling Ukrainian ability to push Russian forces back. President Biden knowing damn well President Trump’s views of Putin & cozying up probably didn’t trust him to end the war in Ukraine with a Ukrainian victory so he gave into political pressures by the loudest voices in the community whether helpful or not came from a place of care and Joe didn’t want to lose the gains in Ukraine. That is what happened.
No One Can Predict The Future. We Just Have To Pray For A Good Conclusion For The Ukrainian People.
On a side note, Russia sent an experimental Hypersonic Missile at a Ukrainian town and North Korean troops have been deployed into the war to fight on the side of Russia. I want to make clear to everyone: China sells drones to Russia, Iran sells missiles to Russia, North Korea provides troops to Russia so it is paramount that the Western Powers unite against this modern iron curtain threat that could spark World War III if we don’t stand against it.
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1 yAsk people. on here why they voted for Biden, and they will tell you that he was't Trump. Fair enough. Then ask them why they voted for Biden in the primary, and this is what you'll get.
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Ask someone why they voted for Trump, and they'll list things he didn't run on, as well as immigration issues, while ignoring that he fought against immigration reform while Biden was in office.
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And also ignoring that he did nothing in his first term.
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This question is about Biden. Take your TDS somewhere else - 1 y
This question was also only about Ukraine and Russia and Biden's response to them, but you brought up the election. And since you brought up the election, I brought up the opposing side. You can't talk out of context and then get mad when people respond to that context.
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I asked nicely.
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8.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. He knows he doesn't have long in office so it seems to me that he is trying to make Trump's efforts to bring peace between Ukraine and Russia as difficult as possible. If WW3 starts because of this boneheaded move, there is a good chance it will start just after Trump takes over and the dems will try to say "See? We told you Trump would start WW3, we have been warning you about this since 2016."
Sadly, many people will fall for it because they have fewer brain cells than the number of genders they believe exist.
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You mean Trump's efforts to turn the tides to Russia's favor.
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@NimbleOcelot agreed. he's going to tell Ukraine to give up territory to end it. Who would accept that if it were your hometown?
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@NimbleOcelot What evidence do you have of that? I would believe you if telling countries to give up and let their enemy win is that was what he did in his first term but he didn't do that.
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Russia already said they weren't going to give up. Also, Putin was building up to attack Ukraine during Trump's first term for a reason. We also have evidence of him having secret meetings with Putin. What exactly are you wanting a source for? Where are your sources for saying he's trying to start WW3? I am not going to go through this dance again where I am the only one posting sources, only for you to weasel your way out of it and say wellll, buuuut...
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@NimbleOcelot I am asking for reasons as to why you think Trump is going to let Russia have Ukraine. That is not how he did things and that is not even how peace deals work.
Right around the time Trump got elected Putin (https://www. news18. com/world/russia-does-not-see-western-civilisation-as-an-enemy-putin-says-in-foreign-policy-speech-9112926. html), China (https://www. newsweek. com/china-news-responds-trump-election-victory-1981171) and the Taliban (https://tribune. com. pk/story/2507894/afghan-taliban-hope-for-new-chapter-with-us-after-trump-election-win) came out essentially begging for peaceful relations.
Now that Biden decided to ramp up his aggression in the Ukraine conflict so Putin likely doesn't feel that way anymore and is now saying that he is not going to give up.
Here is a CNN opinion piece in 2016 claiming Trump will start world war 3.
www.cnn.com/.../index.html - 1 y
Yes, and look how those "peaceful relations" worked out. Why tf are we peaceful with the Taliban? And Putin attacked Ukraine. That is not peaceful. You can't have peaceful relations with enemies who attack your allies, or call for bounties on American troops, or kill American spies.
swalwell.house.gov/.../russia-trump-his-administration-s-ties
This link is speaking of Trump's ties to Russia. Talking negatively about allies and positively about enemies IS NOT a good thing, not is it the moves of a strong, independent leader. Also, what was Biden supposed to do? Just let Putin invade Ukraine? No, that is not peaceful relations. Those are the moves of a coward.
And fyi, I see CNN as the equivalent of Fox, though to a lesser extent, so I do not use them for news for the most part. - 1 y
@NimbleOcelot Trump just wants the fighting to stop, or at the very least get the US to stop participating in it.
Ukraine is not an ally and therefore Russia attacking Ukraine is not a slight against us or the UN. We have as little of a reason to participate in this as we have to participate in Venezuela's current conflict with Guyana. It is not the job of the US to be the world police.
First of all, I am not taking foreign relations advice from a congressman who slept with a Chinese spy. Second of all, calling your enemy intelligent or is respected is not always an indication of support, it is a warning to not underestimate them and his allies.
>Also, what was Biden supposed to do? Just let Putin invade Ukraine? No, that is not peaceful relations.
I want Biden to make the US neutral in this conflict at the very least. It brings us no benefit to help them and will only worsen the US economy and significantly drives up the risk of us getting nuked. Seriously, this makes the reasons for the US being a part of the Vietnam War seem reasonable.
>And fyi, I see CNN as the equivalent of Fox, though to a lesser extent, so I do not use them for news for the most part.
I don't care for either but you asked me to show sources of fears of Trump starting ww3 and I gave it to you, - 1 y
Because you don't understand how problematic it would be to let Russia proceed. Also, Ukraine is an ally of NATO, and we are part of NATO. Also if Trump wants peace, why is he constantly talking about fighting the "enemy within?" And I didn't ask to see fears of Trump starting WW3. I asked to see proof of Biden trying to start WW3. Up until now, he has tried to keep Ukraine from pushing too much.
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@NimbleOcelot Why hasn't Ukraine joined NATO yet? You'd think how much they have been defending Ukraine these pas years, they'd let them join by now.
Because "the enemy within" are war hawks and the military industrial complex who consider world peace to be their worst nightmare. The US has it's military influence in so many places where they don't need to be and those troops need to be home with their families instead of places like Japan where the citizens have routinely expressed their disgust with our presence.
I am not sure how much more obvious it is that ww3 is coming when the Biden administration keeps getting involved in a spot where it is none of our business. I am honestly surprised Putin hasn't tried to nuke us yet after all the times he has warned us and yet we continue to piss him off. I really don't see what is so horrible about trying to form peace between Russia and Ukraine, it is not taking sides at all. It is one thing to think that it won't work but it is another to somehow think that that means letting Russia take Ukraine. - 1 y
Joining NATO isn't as simple as saying I want to join. I don't know the full details, but Ukraine wants to join.
Aka, the ones not loyal to trump. You all never batted an eye at the military leaders until Trump called them evil. Trump wants complete and total loyalty, and he has openly said this. That is not how the US works.
WW3 is looming, but this is not Biden's fault. It's Russia and Trump's. Trump has enable Putin behind the scenes during his presidency, which is why he attacked Ukraine so early into Biden's. - 1 y
Also, no one is against peace. The issue is that Russia has refused peace unless it involves them keeping Ukrainian land.
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@NimbleOcelot I had no idea that Trump even called them evil, and to be honest I agree with him, both Putin and Zelensky are scumbags who jail their dissidents and have them "die of pneumonia."
I just don't want our military thrown against any wall the elites find costing who knows how many American lives and $100B+ in the process and for what? Throwing our economy into chaos and people are now having more trouble buying food? Pissing Putin off to the point where I am surprised we haven't been nuked already? Threaten to draft the same young men that the establishment has had a terrible time getting to vote for them in the 2024 election, of which we will get many of these young men to tell the establishment to fuck off?
>WW3 is looming, but this is not Biden's fault. It's Russia and Trump's. Trump has enable Putin behind the scenes during his presidency, which is why he attacked Ukraine so early into Biden's.
Fucking how? If that was true then where was Putin the entire Trump presidency? Why didn't he take Ukraine if he knew Trump would be OK with that?
At least Trump is at least trying to bet both sides to stop fighting. All Biden is doing is escalating the conflict, reducing the chances of peace from actually happening and the US getting nuked if Putin decided he is done saber-rattling. - 1 y
@Snakeyes7 Your logic that Biden is making it as hard for Trump as possible, and to say WW3 will be his fault, is another way to perch your boy up, and say yet another thing was rigged against him. Again, anything that Biden does well is really a product of Trump previous to him taking office and everything bad that happens is Biden's fault because he did it on purpose to make Trump look bad.
Basically Biden wants WW3 to happen just to blame Trump lol. Say what you will but I don't think any politician really wants to go into a nuclear war. They (Dems and Republicans ) don't care about small countries without nukes killing each other because they can line donor money from defense contractors keeping them armed.
That said WW3 it's possible no one survives and no corporate owned politician wants to disrupt their cushy lives. - 1 y
Putin was preparing during Trump's presidency. That's why he started so soon into Biden's presidency. Do you not realize that wars don't start in a year? There's a ton of planning that goes into it, and prevention of the US is a key component. That's why there's been so much Russian propaganda lately, in order to cause problems within America in order to prevent the US from doing much with Russia. Russia is a threat, and allowing them to return to Soviet Union status would be a failure.
Trump isn't trying to bet on both sides stopping. He's betting on Russia succeeding, same with Israel and Gaza.
Also, no one wants WW3 to start. The issue is that we need to prevent Russia from being able to push forward to prevent it from starting in the first place. WW2 happened after we let Germany take more and more land that wasn't theirs, u til it became difficult to stop them. You can say what you want about not wanting to be nuked, and no one does, but you can't just let Russia take over the world because they threaten with Nukes. - 1 y
@Friendlybro79 I can't think of any other explanation as to why he is ramping things up with the conflict. He knows full well that Trump wants the fighting to stop and Biden doesn't so he digs his heels even more.
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@NimbleOcelot Where is this Russian propaganda you speak of? The only thing I have been hearing from the right is that the US should be neutral in this conflict. In case you haven't noticed, neutral means that you aren't rooting for any side.
If there really is Russian propaganda, it'll be trying to convince us to fight for Russia instead. I sure as hell don't want to side with Putin but Zelenskyy has proven over the years that the US has been using him to appease the military industrial complex that he is just as big of a scumbag who jails his dissenters, have them "mysteriously" contract an illness and die. I cannot in good conscience support either of them.
What about Israel? If we just finally get our hostages and fuck off, does that mean that we are giving any particular side permission to win? - 1 y
Watch Fox news and you'll see Russian propaganda. They literally defend Russia constantly, but might occasionally say something mildly bad about them, to appear neutral. Also, apathy is one method of Russian propaganda. The fact that Putin literally paid bounties for the heads of American troops should be enough for pushback against Russia, yet many people, mostly Republicans and mostly the ones who watch Fox, defend Putin and treat him like some kind of hero. He literally paid people to kill Americans, and you all are fine with that.
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@NimbleOcelot I don't watch fox news nor do care enough to watch cable TV. Please show me evidence that they directly support Russia.
Cable TV in general is dying thanks to the internet. If Putin really wanted to brainwash Americans then using cable TV is a waste of time becuase it is only going to grab the attention of older millennials or older. Anyone younger would are more likely to listen to independent journalists and commentators for the news.
Did Putin put bounties before or after we got involved with Ukraine? Also, were these troops involved in helping Ukraine? If so, then no shit he's going to do that because those soldiers are an active existential threat to him and his power so it makes sense that he would do something like that. - 1 y
www.nytimes.com/.../russia-media-fox-news.html
Cable TV isn't dying. Many people still watch it, particularly people above 50. But Fox isn't just cable.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_bounty_program
We pulled out in 2021, so how would he put bounties after? He did it during Trump's presidency. - 1 y
@NimbleOcelot you just proved my point with the people above 50. The younger generations don't see the point of cable anymore.
Trump wanted to pull out too, I would imagine the bounty issue was a big catalyst for it. I highly doubt this was Biden's intention coming into office because he did it without a plan and left a lot of soldiers behind. - 1 y
Coming back sooner than I expected. Trump has just been sworn in, and he's already threatened war with one, and refuses to deny physical force with two others, economic sanctions on Canada if they don't join the US as a state, and I'm not even including the rest of Europe.
Also, Biden did it without a plan because Trump is the one who started it. Biden isn't the one who started the pullout. Trump is the one who should have put the plan in place, and not made unplanned deals with the Taliban.
Trump does not want peace, and he's already said as such. - 1 y
@NimbleOcelot He hasn't been sworn in yet. That's not until the 20th. The election just got certified on the 6th.
Threatened war with who? What does "refusing to deny physical force" mean? I don't think Canada becoming the 51st state is going to happen, the US would essentially gain another California and the conservatives would never win another election again. Trudeau recently resigned but who knows who will be elected next? They could be someone who is able to allow Canada to survive without the US or someone like Trudeu who won't.
When did Trump start and why did Biden wait until August to finish it? What unplanned deals did Trump make with the Taliban?
I'd like to see the context of him stating he doesn't want peace. - 1 y
I mispoke by saying sworn in. But my point stands.
He's already threatened what with Panama, Greenland, and Pakistan, along with the threat towards Europe and what's going on with Canada. Canada becoming the 51st state won't happen, but that's not going to stop Trump from trying.
en.m.wikipedia.org/.../United_States%E2%80%93Taliban_deal
Above is the entirety of the US-Taliban deal, signed by Trump, that Biden had to finish. Biden extended it, because he needed more time, due to Trump's fumbling, and then everyone blamed Biden for it, when Trump should have already have had the preparations underway and did not.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gzn48jwz2o
He's trying to take over the world, and it's blatantly obvious. - 1 y
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> He's already threatened what with Panama, Greenland, and Pakistan, along with the threat towards Europe and what's going on with Canada.
Yes that's my question. What is he threatening them with?
>Biden extended it, because he needed more time
Apparently he didn't extend it enough because he still screwed it up. I can understand extending it due to a disagreement with the plan but even with that he still messed it up.
>He's trying to take over the world, and it's blatantly obvious.
Somehow with very little military force if any. - 1 y
>Yes that's my question. What is he threatening them with?
With military force, he's already said as much.
>Apparently he didn't extend it enough because he still screwed it up. I can understand extending it due to a disagreement with the plan but even with that he still messed it up.
You are right, he needed more time. Time that Trump didn't allow him to have. You can't just sign a deal as a country, and then ignore it. This is on Trump. Trump did literally nothing to prepare for the pullout that he signed for.
>Somehow with very little military force if any.
That's not what Trump is saying. - 1 y
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>With military force, he's already said as much.
No he didn't. He said that he wouldn't rule out taking military action. In case you haven't noticed that is not the same thing as threatening military action.
>You can't just sign a deal as a country, and then ignore it.
What was stopping Biden from just saying that the US is under new management and that the deal is off?
What would they do about that, declare war? We were already fighting those clowns and the whole idea is to pull our troops out because the conflict over there is pointless.
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>No he didn't. He said that he wouldn't rule out taking military action. In case you haven't noticed that is not the same thing as threatening military action.
That IS threatening military action. Are you insane? You clearly understood the context, since you brought that portion up willingly.
>What was stopping Biden from just saying that the US is under new management and that the deal is off?
>What would they do about that, declare war? We were already fighting those clowns and the whole idea is to pull our troops out because the conflict over there is pointless.
You clearly don't understand global politics and it shows. If the US can just back out of a deal every four years, then none of our deals mean anything. What you should be asking is why your god, Trump, signed that deal with the Taliban. - 1 y
@NimbleOcelot He also never said that he would rule out the possibility of kissing them. Does that mean he's going to do that too?
Who said Trump is my god? You know the MAGAs call him "god-emperor" or "the madman" as a joke right? I only like him because he actually cares about the American people as opposed to 99% of the rest of the politicians as they have repeatedly sold us out to Ukraine and Israel and pretty much the rest of the world. I don't even care if it turns out that he only pretends to care, that's still a flat upgrade. - 1 y
I said he's your god, because you all treat him as such. There's many on the right who treat him as an idol, and worship him. There's people talking about culling the left, because they talk poorly about Trump. You say Elon and Trump are for free speech, but Elon bans anyone criticizing him. You say Trump cares, but he's never shown that past small words, while he's inviting billionaires to his inauguration and into his cabinet. Billionaires do not care about you, and if you believe someone even the right knows as a liar, because "why would he lie?" You are gullible af. Many of you have never seen a conman in person, and it shows.
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Also, Trump sold us out to Russia and China (look up tiktok, and how they stopped you from searching for things that criticize Trump so that he allows them to work here).
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@NimbleOcelot The searching thing is China's decision not Trump's. He isn't the CEO of Bytedance now.
Also the fact that TikTok was allowed in the first place means that we were "sold out" to China a long time ago.
I don't have a tiktok account but to be honest I'd rather hav the CCP collecting my data than the US government simply because I don't live under the latter and they can't make me disappear if I know too much, not yet or as easily anyway. Meanwhile, our three letter agencies has become notorious for doing that to journalists and any obstructionist in general like what they did to WACO, JFK and very likely Trump. - 1 y
Trump was the one to push to cancel Tok Tok, then all of a sudden, he changed his mind? Tik Tok praised him in exchange for letting them stay on. He's literally was bribed by the libertarian party to release Robert Ulbricht, in exchange for their votes. He release the Jan 6 rioters who he said was Antifa, and then peaceful, after they have proven to have been violent, even causing the death of some cops. He has lied again and again, and I can't believe you are all this stupid, which makes me think you actually know, but don't care, because you want to get rid of the undesirables so badly you'd destroy our constitution to do so, like how Trump deleted the constitution from the White House website, and is trying to break the constution by denaturalizinf US born citizens, who are protected by the constitution. And this is only non white people, seeing as how his wife is illegal.
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@NimbleOcelot I guess he just got Bytedance to kiss the ring. I suppose he noticed that he had a lot of support from there all the sudden and changed his mind. I also think outright banning a platform is overreach but I do think TT should be under an American business to ensure it doesn't propagandize and let people post whatever opinions they want.
From what I heard about Ulbricht, all he did was create a drug dealing site but he had a bunch more charges thrown at him that weren't relevant and that brought him to a life sentence. He's been in prison for 11-12 years now so I think he's paid his debt to society by now anyway with what we know for a fact he did.
He is releasing the J6 rioters because these ones in particular have been in jail for the entire Biden presidency with no trial, some of which have even been sent to solitary. It's a violation of due process.
According to Snopes the constitution being removed may have been in error while the white house website underwent renovations.
www.snopes.com/.../
Wrong, he only stopped birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants. Don't give me that shit about "oNlY nOn-WhItE pEoPlE" as illegal immigrants are not a matter of skin color because the only people who talk about skin color are the ones who are in favor of illegal immigration.
Melania didn't enter the country illegally, she only violated her tourist visa by working and she fixed it by getting an H-1B visa. That was almost thirty years ago.
nypost.com/.../
www.vox.com/.../melania-trump-illegal-immigrant - 1 y
You can't be an illegal immigrant if you are born here. That's in the constitution.
The January 6th rioters all had their trials. Also, look up MAGA granny.
Melanie entered illegally according to Trump's definition.
Also, they are literally creating a propaganda machine. Literally look up how meta, X, tik tok, etc are now censoring the left. www.dazeddigital.com/.../instagram-and-tiktok-enabling-right-wing-political-censorship-social-media-meta
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1 ylol he will go down as the man who stuffed the most American tax payer money in his private family pocket in history prolonging the suffering of the ukrainian and the russian people in a completely futile war. like why do you think is is son involved in corporations in ukraine? why do you think did his laptop vanish in the hands of the fbi and the media just swept it under the rug as if that wasn't an act of pure corruption.
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like he was even so spiteful trying to force world war 3 just allowing the use of American long range weapons in ukraine as a last ditch attemt during his last few days in office. doesn't get more desparate and crazy corrupt than that.
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Or maybe it's because Russia winning would be a bad thing for the US.
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@NimbleOcelot russia had the krimea since 2014. if it as bad, usa would have done something about it then.
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And? What does that have to do with Russia's further violations of human rights, and further aggression against Ukraine?
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the litteral only reason usa did something about it in 2021 not 2014 is that biden wanted tax payer money in his pocket. if you can't see that, you should pull your head out of the liberal western propaganda bubble.
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This isn't about Crimea
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No, it's because Russia was pushing beyond their reach, and it was unfavorable to Europe and the US. You can't just allow the Russian baby to get someone else's toys because they pointed their guns at you.
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I don't know if you realize this, but Russia is a long seated enemy of ours who has dug their hands into our intelligence every chance they got.
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Wtf happened to people saying to defend our country from our enemies?
3.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. He should go down as the one who has gotten a lot of people killed. By not trying to stop this war before it started!
If memory serves me correctly. He told Putin in the beginning that he would allow him to invade Ukraine. Just a little?
Help me out here!00 Reply8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Ukraine isn't going to win this war and has lost a lot of its people due to it. That is hardly something Biden will want to beat his chest about. And that's assuming he doesn't embroil NATO in it as he is helped out the door.
00 ReplyWell as the instigator of the war and considering what Ukraine now looks like one could only conclude that biden used the shit out of them to launder money back and troll Putin.
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They should put these land mines on the beach in Delftware.
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I couldn't even finish the video. They said it's OK, because the batteries don't last long in the mines. That's good to know when you're blown to pieces.
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It will be nice to have a president again.
931 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Pretty sure “Mr. Biden” is out of time to do anything
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1 yBiden, Boris Johnson, Macron, and the rest of the collective West will go down in history as the people who gave Zelensky a blank check to sacrifice a generation of men for a war that they all could've prevented
00 Reply12.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. He will do down in history as the most harmful to the country in history.
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1 yNeither. But Trump will go down as the whore who went down on Putin and gave up on/ceded parts of Ukraine to Russia
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1 yWe shall see. It might be too little too late
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1 yBiden will go down as a potato who occupied the White House.
00 Reply 27.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Like everything else in his Adminstration
01 Reply3.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. He won't go down as anything. NPC
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Anonymous(18-24)1 yBiden has no idea wtf he is doing.
20 Reply4.8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. No he go down as the croupter president ever
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