Immigration: Man... do I hate being right all the time?

[OddBeMe]

[NewWaves]

We had something similar not too long ago in my country. And it was indeed a case of false documentation. Fake passports. Like I had said in another thread here, the people found to have had false papers are imprisoned right now and will be deported when their sentence is served.

It's odd to me that people find such outrage in it, considering that if they were to go to another country, they would most likely get the needed paperwork to be there legally.

[msc545]

we don't have that here, but we do have poor people and non-white people. It is those people that the US right wing wants to get rid of.

[NewWaves]

@msc545 you don't have illegal immigration?

[msc545]

we do, but not as much as the right wing would have people believe.

[NewWaves]

@msc545 i do not believe that. Not for a second. I may not be American, but I've been watching how things have evolved for you guys over the past 4/5 years. From AOC fake crying in a border town, to people using the picture of children in cages from the Obama era and attributing that to Trump, to the first caravans coming into your country, to the whole border police on a horse thing where people said they were whipping people, to sending the illegal immigrants to Martha's vineyard and they certainly didn't last long there.

But my question is how do you tabulate the numbers for illegal immigration?

[msc545]

I have no idea. Perhaps by guessing.

[NewWaves]

@msc545 that wouldn't make sense considering that theu get benefits. How would the government find them for those benefits if they're just guessing?

[msc545]

Again, I have no idea. This is not something I take much of an interest in and I wonder why you do?

[OddBeMe]

The issue here... is there's no real problem with immigrants... legal or not. There's no measurable evidende against them. But lots that shows they're an asset.

[NewWaves]

@msc545 my interest is of no interest 😂

[NewWaves]

@OddBeMe there have been no pieces of evidence against them?
What does the right say about them?
What evidence - or for you, what they would believe to be evidence - have they presented?
How are they an asset? Is there a difference between the kind of asset legal immigrants are vs illegal?

[OddBeMe]

"What is evidence" you're asking? Big uh oh there.

I've been asking for an emotion-free, ROI analysis from right wingers on illegal migrants. And they gove me nothing. So feel free.

But your claims better not be tweets. Actual fcking evidence

[NewWaves]

No no no. I'm not showing anything. You've stated that there is no evidence. I've obviously seen stuff, but that's not the point.
I'm asking what you will and will not consider evidence?

Okay, let's flip it. Is there evidence illegal immigrants are not a problem, rather an asset?

[OddBeMe]

Yes dumbass. If you bothered to look. Say from the conservative New American Economy
www.newamericaneconomy.org/.../

[NimbleOcelot]

Trump said he wants to bring back those cages.

[NewWaves]

@NimbleOcelot lol. That would be PR nightmare.
But I get how difficult it must be in the US. In my country, it's simple. If you're caught being here illegally, you're going to prison BEFORE being deported; although I'm guessing unless there is an understanding with the country of origin. The one sentence I saw in the newspaper was 2 years, iirc.

[Anonymous]

They only hate because they are told to hate.

[Juxtapose]

Some of the new laws concerning legal immigration are too permissive.

Immigration should be slowed way down while we deport the illegals.

And immigration can be as arbitrary or as difficult as the US government wants it to be because immigrating to America is a privilege, not a right.

[goaded]

What, like the bipartisan bill intended? More border agents, and more judges to speed up decision making. Trump killed it.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded www.heritage.org/.../the-senate-border-bill-disaster-border-security

[Juxtapose]

Also this:

www.reddit.com/r/AskConservatives/s/7wOJE8RyaI

[OddBeMe]

So... just basing it off this post...20b would be a 20% increase. That's pretty good.

[Juxtapose]

Almost nothing about that bill was good.

[Juxtapose]

"But, we aren't talking about the budget request, we're talking about that bill that gave out $20B for the border, right? Ain't that a chunk of change? Or was it the border security bill that only reaches a tripwire at 5,000 illegal crossings a day? The one that gives automatic work visas to "asylum seekers" coming across? That bill? Or, was it the bill that gave three times as much to Ukraine? The bill that gave nearly as much to Israel? Oh, and another $10B sprinkled in for Gaza. Yes, let's pay for both sides of that conflict. That bill? The bill that also earmarked nearly $10B for Indo-Pacific and Red Sea conflicts? Yes, the bill that gave enough to Ukraine to hire nearly 193,000 border patrol agents (there's only normally about 20,000 in the entire CPB)? That bill is the one you are talking about, right?"

[Juxtapose]

And also the bill would make permanent several Biden era changes that were disastrous.

[OddBeMe]

Were? So its not now? You idiots think an election changes everything immed.

[OddBeMe]

(Cricket sound)

[Juxtapose]

Uhhh lol what are you talking about? Why would I not think that Biden era changes are still disastrous? Where are you getting this?

[Avicenna]

Jux, these leftists idiots continue to make fools of themselves by parroting utter nonsense.

[Juxtapose]

@Avicenna yeah lol I was like: ".. the fuck?" Total confusion.

[Avicenna]

Yup….

Goaded Xi in particular keeps peddling the same debunked hoaxes

[OddBeMe]

Because biden is still president you fucking moron.

[OddBeMe]

If you think it was a disaster during the election you should now. It wasn't a magic erasure.

[Juxtapose]

I am flattered you think Trump can change the economy overnight.

[OddBeMe]

you're the one who thinks bidens policies are past tense.

Or is this a grammar issue?

[Juxtapose]

That has nothing to do with what I was talking about lol. My point of:

"And also the bill would make permanent several Biden era changes that were disastrous." Doesn't change.

[goaded]

Bet they won't do anything about Musk, who was an illegal immigrant for a while.

[OddBeMe]

"Tignten up legal immigration" = less of those poor people.

[NewWaves]

Ooooh. Show me proof, that's interesting

[goaded]

@NewWaves " Musk arrived in Palo Alto in 1995 for a graduate degree program at Stanford University but never enrolled in courses, working instead on his start-up.

Leaving school left Musk without a legal basis to remain in the United States, according to legal experts.

Foreign students cannot drop out of school to build a company, even if they are not immediately getting paid, said Leon Fresco, a former Justice Department immigration litigator."
www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[NewWaves]

I don't have a subscription. Do they cite an immigration law on that? It makes sense, yes, but I'd like to see the law/statute/whatever it's called.
And when did he obtain his legal paperwork?

[NewWaves]

I do have one question about your original comment.
What can they do - legally - about the fact that he was, according to you, an illegal immigrant but now is a legal... citizen? Doesnhe have citizenship now? I don't actually know.

[goaded]

@NewWaves https://archive.is/OnEDn

I think he is a naturalised citizen, but Trump and friends are talking about enthusiastically denaturalising people they don't want in the country. There's no way Musk will be affected by that, but the blatent hypocrisy irritates me.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

no Einstein, the man did not cross our border illegally. he literally migrated here and became a citizen and on top of that he has worked, study and contributed to our country in many ways you can imaging

[goaded]

@Filthy_Immigrant If that's your standard, fine, but it's not the law. Overstaying your visa or breaking the terms of it, like Musk did, is illegal. He was in the country illegally.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@goaded that was in 1995! if its against the law then why didn't Clinton do something about it?

[OddBeMe]

@Filthy_Immigrant because dems know overstaying visas and most illegal immigration has more upsides and few if any downsides.

[goaded]

@Filthy_Immigrant "... redirecting resources to look for fraud in old applications..."

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@OddBeMe the only "upside" democrats see in immigrants is that they know they will get the vote from these immigrants sooner or later for the fact that democrats have done a good job claiming that they are "the party of the minorities" but things have change now, we former immigrants and minorities know what democrats are really about nowadays and the fact that the Obama administration was the administration that deported the most immigrants in the history of the US contradicts your claim

@goaded yeah that's exactly what democrats love doing but always failed for some odd reason. if anything Clinton himself has a book loaded with old fraud applications

[OddBeMe]

@Filthy_Immigrant illegals can't vote you fucking moron. But yeah something about not being racist shits is an investment into the liberal future.

[goaded]

@Filthy_Immigrant It's from the picture at the top of this question.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

media1.tenor.com/.../...ous-fast-and-furious-4.gif

@OddBeMe fucking moron? why do you think the blue states wanted to make it so ID was not required to vote this last election'? and you do know illegals can still become citizens right? ever heard of NATRUALIZATION? and no buddy, if you kiss foreign folks asses thinking that they're gonna reward you back by having their votes still makes you RACIST. in fact worst than racist

@goaded no shit! when you make the mess that Biden did by keeping the border open for masses of illegals to storm in you have to make some sacrafices. however 1995 was still 30 years ago

[OddBeMe]

When theyre all out of logic

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@OddBeMe not sure what your last statement was relevant to but yea, if you take people's skin color and nationality into account then you are racist.

[OddBeMe]

@Filthy_Immigrant great! Link to all the white immigrants you fucks said were eating dogs.

[phraseology]

Is that how you're coping about losing everything, by pretending that you're right? Hahahaha! You've been wrong about everything, thus why you're in your current predicament. It would be interesting if Elon buys MSNBC... Maybe we can break your brainwashing...

[Sabretooth]

dude... his own AI called Musk the biggest purveyor of fake news.

[msc545]

This is not a big surprise given the prejudice against immigrants in general. However, I wonder how long this is going to last before the powers that be, which includes the right wing. At this point, figure out that limiting immigration will drive the cost of Labor up and therefore will drive profits down.

[Avicenna]

You were recently ranting, among other deranged delusions, that Trump would deport US citizens. You do realize that no one takes you seriously, right? Time for you to get done mental health treatment and get away from the leftist echo chambers.

In the real world, there’s a “white collar recession” and your beloved criminal Biden Administration has done away with a rule that periodically requires illegals to check in in person. We do not need unlimited immigration.

[genericname85]

so you read a butthurt left wing media article after the election and you're using that to say "i was right all along". this is comical. it would be more funny if i didn't know you're actually being serious tho.

[HighValue]

Since over 13,000 American citizens were murdered and over 15,000 sexually assaulted by illegals, how about just putting the death penalty on illegals. That would be better.

[OddBeMe]

Jesus christ you fucks swallow anything
www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[ProbablyClueless]

You hate being right all the time? The fuck are you talking about, man? 🤣 Anyone can "expect" anything. That doesn't make it news or remotely relevant to anything.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Once again, you're too much of a coward to link to the whole article. Hoping everyone's as dumb as you and will believe fake news headlines.

[OddBeMe]

Here have a blast
www.yahoo.com/.../...alization-just-110000117.html

[seeyounexttuesday]

Oh look.

In essence, naturalized citizens can lose their U. S. citizenship if they willfully concealed or misrepresented a fact in their applications or interactions with U. S. immigration officials, and that fact was material to their eligibility for naturalization.

So they are illegal immigrants who lied on forms to cheat their way into the US.

I've tried telling you that your age of propaganda is over.

[OddBeMe]

And they tried to tell me they wouldn't come for legal immigration...

[seeyounexttuesday]

Are you legal if you lied on your application? What did the bank think when you lied on your mortgage application for your trailer?

[OddBeMe]

Dont know. But is it really an issue?

[Syntosi]

@seeyounexttuesday
"naturalized citizens can lose their U. S. citizenship if they willfully concealed or misrepresented a fact in their applications or interactions with U. S. immigration officials, and that fact was material to their eligibility for naturalization."

Want to know something funny? That would mean that Elon Musk would have his American citizenship revoked and be deported.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Syntosi we’ll see if that happens, lol.

[OddBeMe]

They say that on every terms and conditions.

I bet 90% of mortgage docs has errors on them.

[seeyounexttuesday]

You guys were awful upset at Trump for doing that.

[OddBeMe]

Sorry doing what?

[Staximus]

If you think the state of immigration in this country is ok then you need to have your head checked

[DrPepper12]

Good luck with that. Where's the new labor gonna come from with boomers retiring and USA Americans having less kids?

[Filthy_Immigrant]

"Man... do I hate being right all the time"

unfortunately for you your posting history in this site does not resinate with this statement

[Sevenpointfive]

yes! i knew you were an immigrant you mofo'r!!

[Anonymous]

yeah you thought you were right about Democrats winning the election and they didn't

[exitseven]

said an unnamed source.

[Anonymous]

Well you're not right.

[noohair]

And what was the source of this? Is it an AI fake?

[OddBeMe]

Lol. No

[OddBeMe]

www.yahoo.com/.../...alization-just-110000117.html

[Anonymous]

And this is a problem why?

[Anonymous]

Makes sense.