Is your response to this headline the same as mine?

[goaded]

Trump lied incessently, and still won. Should others do the same?

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-11-22/trump-lied-extravagantly-and-still-won-does-truth-matter

Maybe that would help

NO THE BLOODY MEDIA SHOULD HAVE BEEN POINTING OUT THE LIES 24/7!

Don't know, see results

[ohsheeT]

Today's world. Is nothing like past generations.

We are so far advanced in so many ways.

We are understanding so many more things. And technology is out of this world

The only sad part is the people in it.
Because most of followers and not leaders
And then you have the leaders that are so rude ugly and I mean that from the inside they are liars cheaters thieves and they think it's okay

We were all supposed to do one thing and that was become one with self become one with others and become one with this universe

And when doing so you wouldn't have any more drama ignorance judgment you have peace you have Harmony

But we have the complete opposite
And it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse

Our own government has propaganda as scare tactics we have an EPA that does not do their job because most man-made products are cancer-causing products are food is grown in a lab nowadays instead of on a farm our fast food restaurants sell nothing but chemicals are politicians do nothing but lie to get the money and the donations they need to win the next election

The reason why there is a God and a devil the reason why there is a wrong and a right a yes and a no hello goodbye love hate positive negative.

Is to teach us who we don't want to be

All the negatives in this world they're for a reason to show us we don't want to be that way we know wrong from right

But we've become a bunch of sheep and we laugh at it

I would have to say if you believe in a higher power if you believe in a god you would think that he would have enough he has seen enough
We were made in his image our bodies are our in his Temple our bodies is the church

And whether you believe it or not things are going to change things are changing there is a holy war going on right now and there's so many negative rude people out there that are bullies that are takers that are cons and they want to take from you and they want to make you just like them.

Most bad things that are happening they're trying to trick people into becoming just like them and cause chaos and havoc and drama

Because all those things keep you off balance and you can't think straight because you're caught up in the b******* and then next thing you know you're just like them

But if you can stand your ground and you don't become like them you stay away from the drama and the b******* and the people that are teaching that it's okay to have a big fat mouth it's okay to take from people it's okay to treat women and people of color the way they do that is okay to do that in this world... It's okay to lie it's okay to be rude to people and treat people with disrespect Well most of us know that it's wrong most of us will not put up with it . Everything happens for a reason either you're going to be a follower are you going to be a leader..

Either you're going to become like them

Are you going to walk away and protect the people you love and the people you have around you.. we are all being lead to a place I guarantee when we get there you're not going to like it..

Everybody really needs to wake up and we all need to change because we're going in the wrong direction

[DrPepper12]

Media failure is a top 10 reason why we're here now. History will say so. He's just such a great role model for kids, amirite MAGA?

[NimbleOcelot]

Like when he performed fellatio on the microphone?

[purplepoppy]

It doesn't matter if you lie. What counts is people see their own views reflected. When Trump said "They're eating the dogs" People didn't believe that but they did like the fact he was sharing their hated of black people.

The fact is anything that comes out America now has to be treated with the same suspicion as an Email from a Nigerian prince who wants to share his fortune.

[msc545]

@purplepoppy Well said!

[Gwendoline]

I don't think that it was lies that won trump the election but the last 4 years of Democrats in office. I'm sure you watched the last 5 months of democrat campaign ads, they seemed to be more MAGA than republicans were.

[Snakeyes7]

People do look outside. Whenever the media says something about what Trump says, the full video of Trump speaking instantly proves them wrong. The "very fine people", "drink bleach," "there will be a bloodbath if I don't get elected," and "I will be a dictator from day one" for example were all lies and you only need to see the full videos to see that the media lied about all that.

That's why the dems want to take control of the internet and censor "misinformation," because they can't stand people simply using the internet to call them out on their lies.

[goaded]

He was talking about people knowingly marching with white supremacists, which in my view made them supporters. He literally talked about using bleach internally, by injection even, showing he (a) didn't have a clue what he was talking about and (b) didn't have the sense to allow the experts to do the talking.

The bloodbath one was metaphorical, but he did say it.

It was "I will be a dictator ON day one", iirc, and there's never been a dictator for a single day in the history of the world.

He also claimed Project 2025 was nothing to do with him and he'd never heard of it. Do you believe that?

[Snakeyes7]

>He was talking about people knowingly marching with white supremacists, which in my view made them supporters.

Dude, not even your precious fact checkers back you up on that.

www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

If you watched the whole thing, he says: "I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."

>The bloodbath one was metaphorical, but he did say it.

It was metaphorical, case closed. Anymore than that then you cross the line into conspiracy theory territory.

>It was "I will be a dictator ON day one", iirc, and there's never been a dictator for a single day in the history of the world.

Again, you need the whole context. He specifically said that his single-day "dictatorship" was closing the southern border and drilling for oil. He was being facetious about the "dictator" thing. He was mocking people who think doing those very things makes someone a dictator.

>He also claimed Project 2025 was nothing to do with him and he'd never heard of it. Do you believe that?

Yes because he already has Agenda 47 that overlaps P2025 in some ways. He doesn't need it.

[goaded]

"For the record, virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right debacle concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, and that therefore Trump's characterization was wrong." www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Trump needs and wants Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation because they've done all the legwork on finding nominees for him. He's hired several authors into his cabinet.

Last time, in 2016, he never expected to win, just to pull the "stop the steal" con.

[Snakeyes7]

I directly quoted Trump literally saying that he totally condemns neo-nazis and white supremacists and that was far from the only time he has condemned them. I don't know what else you want.

I don't know what makes you think he will still adopt P2025 when he has his own plan. Even if he hired some of the writers that doesn't mean he'd follow it. Given that he said he is not going to do it, we have no reason to believe that he will adopt it.

>Last time, in 2016, he never expected to win, just to pull the "stop the steal" con.

You mean 2020? 2016 was "not my president" and the Russian collusion investigations that ultimately turned out that Trump was not involved. Hillary was an election denier.

[goaded]

He also (once) said peacefully, as he knowingly sent an armed mob to the Capitol where the final confirmation of election he lost was going to happen. He didn't mean that, either. He told them to fight many times in that same speech.

He's literally hiring the main man and many of the authors of Project 2025, not to mention the people they vetted for him.

No, I meant 2016; Roger Stone registered the domain http://stopthesteal.org in 2016. They didn't expect to win, they weren't prepared to win, they were only prepared to stir up trouble.

[Snakeyes7]

Armed mob? They weren't armed, otherwise Ashli Babbit would have been far from the only one who got shot. You clearly weren't pay attention.

>He didn't mean that, either. He told them to fight many times in that same speech.

Politicians have been using the word "fight" like that ever since the concept of politicians. You need to do better than that to prove that Trump wanted this.

First of all, show the full list of project 2025. I can just say that Trump wants to bring Internet Explorer back onto windows computers and any

[Snakeyes7]

Show me the full list of project 2025. Even if Trump MUST do everything that guy says I don't buy that it is anywhere near as bad as the left keeps saying it is.

Yeah I'm not buying any of that. The link you gave brought me to a blank page anyway

[goaded]

Of course the link's not there any more, it was dropped after Trump unexpectedly won in 2016. Here's how it was in October 2016 https://archive.is/OgRaS

There are 14 billionaires and mutiple project 2025 authors on his administration team. Look it up for yourself.

[Snakeyes7]

Oh ok, I see what you mean. I just wonder why Clinton didn't bring this up. Surely she knew about this.

>There are 14 billionaires and mutiple project 2025 authors on his administration team. Look it up for yourself.

So what? There were many billionaires like Bill Gates who supported Kamala. Not to mention nearly everyone in the entertainment sphere including Hollywood actors and music artists. What's your point?

[goaded]

It's one thing to express support for a presidential candidate, it's another to be part of the administration.

[exitseven]

All politicians will lie. Trump mostly exaggerates. Biden lies every time he opens his mouth. He lied about the border being secure, he lied about Hunters laptop, he lied about his uncle being eaten by cannibals a d he lied when he said he had a cognitive test

[goaded]

OMG, the story about an uncle who died in a wartime (1944) plane crash in New Guinea before Biden could even walk is obviously a family story with amusing speculation about why the body was never recovered that he grew up with.

That's the biggest "lie" you can come up with from Biden?

What "lie" did he tell about Hunter's laptop? Potentially damaging information about Biden being handed to the guy (Giuliani) who spent time in Ukraine trying to get people to make up dirt about the Bidens and decades of associating with Russians really does look and smell like Russian disinformation, especially in the run up to an election.

The president gets medical checks all the time, at least Biden doesn't dictate his own.

[exitseven]

During Bidens debate with Trump in 2020 he claimed everything on Hunters laptop was a lie. It turns out even the crooked FBI verified it authenticity Everything on it was genuine including ten percent for the Big Guy

[DryGermanGuy]

So when Trump tells his Maga mugus that immigrants are eating cats and dogs… that’s exaggerated and they are only chewing on them? Did I get it?

[goaded]

@exitseven Unfortunately, your recollection seems to be lacking. Only one of the transcripts of the two 2020 debates mentions the laptop (the first was before news broke), and Biden didn't say "everything on Hunters laptop was a lie" or anything remotely like it in the other. It was just Trump going off topic.

www.debates.org/.../
www.debates.org/.../

[exitseven]

Trump asked him if he was the Big Guy and that he was taking money from foreign foreign governments. Biden replied that it was a lie and Chis Wallace ran interference for him. It is commonly known that Biden is up to his eyeballs in foreign money. In very short order it will be proven in a court of law.

[goaded]

You know it takes seconds to search a transcript and find all 17 times someone said "guy", right? Not one of them involved the word "big" or the laptop. In other words, that's a lie, unlike when Biden pointed out that it's Trump that's taking money from China, not him, and it was Trump blackmailing Ukraine for political dirt.

Take a look for yourself. www.debates.org/.../

[DryGermanGuy]

So Jordan Jim's and Comer Pyle's two years long House investigation was so incompetent that they could not find a trace of all them foreign moneys? Dios mio, what idiots do you MAGA clowns elect into congress?

[goaded]

Wait, "Chis Wallace ran interference for him"? The Wallace debate was before anyone knew about the laptop, it was in September, the laptop was an October surprise.

[exitseven]

Trump asked "Who is the Big Guy Joe?" and Chiris Wallace quickly steered to another subject.

[goaded]

No, he didn't. Read the transcript, or look at a calendar! Where are you getting this nonsense from?

[exitseven]

I watched it on TV. It was over 4 years ago but I remember it.

[DryGermanGuy]

Did the TV station have "FOX" in its name? Because these morons had to pay 787 million dollars for broadcasting slander and disinformation. Go figure.

[RedInnocent69]

The ultimate lie is convincing people that the media tasked with discovering truth to keep the state in check are the ones lying. It’s fine to disagree on policy, not on facts

[goaded]

The "reality based community" that Republicans were attacking in the Bush years.

[Friendlybro79]

I can look out to see if it's raining here but not across the country. The media should be legally obligated to do their best to tell the truth, publicly retract when wrong, and site resources as to why the liar is lying

[NYCQuestions1976]

Wah wah wah. Common sense, intelligence, and critical thinking won, and the dangerous socialism bullshit grift lost. The United States will NEVER be a socialist country. Get over it, find something better to do with your time, and get therapy for your TDS and your LBDD (Leftist Bullshit Disinformation Disorder).

[NimbleOcelot]

Ah yes, so dangerous to allow free healthcare and education so that the poors stand on closer ground to the rich. It's funny that all your arguments are just name-calling instead of posting proper facts, like how Trump is a grifter.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot The only grift comes from the gaslighting from the far-left liberals, socialists, progressives, and the woke in this country.

The United States will NEVER be a socialist country.

[NimbleOcelot]

Didn't know most of Europe was socialist.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot The European Union might as well be called the Union Of European Socialist Republics. However, in the last few years, more and more European countries are finally rejecting dangerous socialist politicians.

[NimbleOcelot]

Ah yes, so dangerous that they call the US barbaric for not having free healthcare and education. Also, wed spend less on healthcare if we made it free, so there is no argument for not having it.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot Wrong. Free health care isn't free. I'm not working to pay for other people's bills via bloated 40%+ taxes to a wasteful albatross government. When you do your taxes in April, feel free to volunteer more of your money to the government beyond your legal requirements. Leave my money alone. Also, Europe's opinion of the United States is completely irrelevant. If you live in the United States and care about what Europe thinks about the United States, you're a pathetic individual.

[NimbleOcelot]

You are right, but it's cheaper than what we have now. Also, you already pay for insurance, so you'd be paying less taxes and insurance so you too can have free healthcare.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot No, that's not how it works. It's more expensive and a terrible system. Free health care isn't free for anyone. It means ridiculously high taxes for everyone, and places with "free" health care have waits that are months long to see qualified specialists.

www.businessinsider.com/24-year-old-thought-had-pimple-it-was-breast-cancer-2022-6

"Clinicians in the UK's public health system, NHS, referred her for further testing, but the wait list was NINE MONTHS LONG. So Harrison paid £200, or about $250, for an ultrasound at a private hospital. The results indicated the lump could be cancer, so Harrison was bumped up the NHS waitlist for a biopsy, which she underwent in June 2021."

If that woman had waited the nine months for her "free" health care, she'd probably be dead. Luckily, the United States isn't a backwards socialist country and will never be a backwards socialist country.

[NimbleOcelot]

So what you are saying is that the UK has free healthcare for the people who can't afford it, and privatized healthcare that is cheaper than US healthcare with insurance for the people who can? If you want to pay for your healthcare to speed things up, you'd still have that option? I don't know, that sounds pretty fucking good to me, rather than more than 50% of the US just not going to the doctor because it's too expensive. And fyi, we currently have wait times as well. Also fyi, they already calculated how much free healthcare would cost, and it's less than we currently spend now, and with no deductibles. But let the rich make you rely on them more for it because you don't understand shit about it.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot You're lost. "Free" health care isn't free, and it's a garbage system. Stop gaslighting people with your disingenuous dangerous socialism bullshit.

[NimbleOcelot]

www.citizen.org/.../

[NimbleOcelot]

This has links to the studies and all that. Also, since you are so intelligent, what high paying job do you have that you can go to the doctor when you want?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot Socialist nonsense. You send your money to the government for the stupid ideas you like. Leave my money alone.

Just about all careers come with health insurance.

[NimbleOcelot]

Yes, and that insurance requires you to pay for deductibles. Why is your insurance tied to your job and you still have to pay for it? Also, you realize they also pay for your insurance with your wages? They just take it out so you don't see that money in the first place.

[NimbleOcelot]

So how often do you go to the hospital when you are sick?

[NimbleOcelot]

Also, what happens when you are unable to work? Old age for example?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot Oh no! You mean I'm responsible for my bills? Duh! Of course I'm responsible for me and my own finances! That's called being a responsible adult!

If you want to be lazy and rely on the government for your existence, then go live in a backwards socialist country. Stop trying to screw up the United States with your stupid and dangerous socialism.

[NimbleOcelot]

So paying less money so you and other people get healthcare is backwards and dangerous? So do you just want to fuck over everyone else? Or are you just stupid? You know what, controlling the economy is socialist. Stop complaining about rising food prices and just pay for your own food and stop asking for handouts. You really don't see your own fucking hypocrisy. You also won't say how often you go to the doctor, because you probably can't afford to go, even with healthcare. And I guess when you get old, you'll just let yourself die as soon as possible. You are either a spiteful human being, or dangerously stupid, because from the sounds of it, this would benefit you more than it'd hurt you.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot IT'S NOT LESS MONEY, YOU FOOL! STOP FALLING FOR THE SOCIALISM BULLSHIT GRIFT, AND STOP POSTING DISINFORMATION!

[msc545]

Trum has gotten a pass for his lying from far too many people.

[Avicenna]

What is with your pathological obsession with Trump? Stay away from the gaslighting and propaganda before it eats you up. People see through the leftist lies and propaganda these days.

[NimbleOcelot]

It's funny that literally just reading what Trump is doing is considered gaslighting and leftie propaganda.

[Anonymous]

Even if we agreed trump was lying that wouldn't set him apart from every other politician. So they kind of cross that line 200 years ago.

[goaded]

Name 30,000 lies Biden has told.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded I write long post to describe how things work in making a point. Not list people of questionable mental capacity believed lies.

Frankly i don't know why anyone would care about more than a few such cases. It is after all rather time consuming and debatable to prove a person is lying as that requires you show they somehow knew they were both serous and being incorrect.

Atlhou we can show where that was likely with Joe Biden on many occasions proving like many other politicians Joe Biden has no problem telling people things he knows to be false to get get his way.

This becomes progressively more difficult as Biden's mental facilities decline and it become ever more questionable if Joe Biden knows what he is saying. Of course that also makes the question of his honesty more and more illrelevent.

time.com/5636715/biden-1988-presidential-campaign/

That said 30,000 is a very high number that is far beyond a believable accounting of anyone.

[goaded]

You wrote two lines.

The 30,000 count (for just his first term in office) included repeat lies, but there were an average of 20 false of misleading statements a day and obviously hundreds of individual lies (and the rate of them took off around the election).

[Opinion Owner]

This is where I stop taking you seriously @goaded that is such an absurd level of assumptions and arrogance about your own understanding of reality and obsession with every thing an indiviual says.

[goaded]

I stopped taking you seriously when you suggested it would have been better for America to have let the states get rid of slavery by themselves because it wouldn't have taken more than two or three generations.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded I don't recall you ever making a counter case to the argument that 600-800 thousand people dying half of America destroyed, and the republican system of goverment wreaked.
All allegedly over an institution that most people of the time knew would die on its own within a century due to the same economic reason that drove it out of the north.

I don't believe the war between the states was simply over slavery but if it was, it was a very destructive and bloody waste of impatience crusaders. A natural end to the institution of slavery would have been far better for everyone as it was in the north.

That said I was only referring to this topic.

[goaded]

The counter case is self evident: generations and millions of people not being owned like animals from birth to death. Besides, until the war, the United States would have regrettably allowed existing slave states to remain so; the argument was about new territories to the west.

Had the south not started a war over their rights outside their borders, they would have kept the old republic and could have reasonably demanded recompense for freeing their slaves, like the British Empire paid.

OK, so, this topic: lies work. Repeated often enough, especially by people in positions of authority, they convince people to believe untruths. The Nazis convinced the Germans that the Jews, the Romani, the Homosexuals were the cause of all their problems. Now it's the Jews, the Guatemalans, the Mexicans, the Haitians, the Transsexuals (and, let's face it, still the Homosexuals).

[Opinion Owner]

Slavery was one of the worlds oldest institutions a few more generations for a peaceful non-destructive resolution is hardly making a difference.

The South Simply voted to withdraw their consent to be governed as was their inalienable right last exercised alongside the north in 1776. If this is not their inalienable right then the north has no right to independence from the brittish empire either. An independence that actually was explicitly illegal under brittish law as written at the time unlike the Southern revolution.

So the Union was not only the aggressors on a forign nation's sovereignty but hypocrite.

@goaded While the north might have been willing to give the south large sums of money for the slaves that was not financially viable or necessary.

As industrialization made slavery more and more a costly liability its value would have declined resulting in a similar decline in the slave population naturally until such time that the abolitionist of the state would buy the remaining slaves simply to know the institution did not exist anymore near them. This is how it already happened in the north and its how it would have happened in the south.

The Norther crusaders could have saved their money if they were just willing to wait a little.

[goaded]

They decided to go against the law of the union they'd freely joined. It wasn't affecting their internal politics, they could have kept their slaves, they were still self-governing. It was a democratic federal decision that new territories should be free. Did anybody think their break from British rule would be peaceful? No, then why would the Confederates think seceding would be?

Of course slavery is cheaper than paying free people enough to lead a free life, that's why it's still happening!

The first cotton picking machines didn't arrive until about 1911, iirc. I doubt they'd have been cost effective compared to slave labour. Have you seen the price of a John Dere? How many years of cheap meals could you buy for that?

Over 30% of the people - PEOPLE - in the southern states were enslaved in 1860, nearly four million. They had no way to buy or earn their way out of slavery, their children would be born slaves, die slaves, unlike in those thousands of years of "tradition" where slaves were usually captives or freed at some point.

[Opinion Owner]

Making up laws out of thin air is actually forbidden unlike secession/revolution in our "union" where laws actually need to be written down and agreed to. Not simply declared by the executive to be the case even thou they contradict the foundation of the republic in the declaration in 1776, the written law of the 9th and 10th amendment, are no where written even by congress. That was the actually written and agreed to 'law of the union' @goaded

Also in that written law which were the requirement for congress to wage war in Article 1 section 8 and the total prohibition against waging war upon the united states Article 3 section 3.

Lincoln abandoned the law of the union when he decided to wage war without approval against forign states and if you still believe Lincoln he was a traitor as defined by the same Constitution in waging war against these 'united' states.

[goaded]

What is the federal government for, if not managing disputes between member states and admitting new states to the union?

"The Compromise of 1850 was made up of five bills that attempted to resolve disputes over slavery in new territories added to the United States in the wake of the Mexican-American War (1846-48). It admitted California as a free state, left Utah and New Mexico to decide for themselves whether to be a slave state or a free state, defined a new Texas-New Mexico boundary, and made it easier for slaveowners to recover runways under the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850."

You say "the total prohibition against waging war upon the united states", and also that unilaterally deciding not to follow the laws of the united states and taking their forts is perfectly fine. Do you not see the contradiction?

They could have kept their slaves. All they had to do was not start a war.

[Opinion Owner]

Just because you @goaded do not appreciate the written and limited terms by which OUR states choose to join or create this union and its goverment. Does not mean you can infer additional never written rules to justify whatever it is you wish to do as Lincoln did.

As for the written law such as the compromise of 1850 theses acts prove that had the north been inclined to wait rather than crusade to impose their views on other people in other states.
Slavery would have died on its own for the same reasons it died out in the north.
Probably going on no latter than the 1920s when mechanization of southern farms would have made all remaining slaves a costly liability as it did their sharecropper counter parts.

When a host country asks you to withdraw your forts its is an act of war to refuse them. it is also an act of war to use military power to try and tax trade into forign countries as fort Sumter was doing.

[goaded]

How many states joined after the civil war, 14? They all knew exactly what they were getting into.

Two or three generations of millions of PEOPLE would have lived cradle to early grave as slaves. You seem to think that would have been a good thing. The south could have kept their slaves if they'd simply accepted that new territories should be free.

Slaves are cheaper than sharecroppers.

"... all men are created equal...".

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded
The point the founders made in 1776 based upon natural logic and reasoning was nobody could ever cede their inalienable right to self-determination. This idea is very much intrinsic in the idea of Americanism which in fact led to the abolition of slavery taken to its logical conclusion.

So it doesn't really matter what the subsequent states joined knowing what happened, particularly so given the open ended question the unionist own hand picked court reluctantly left open in Texas v. s. White in acknowledging the same inalienable right thou hypocritically refusing to recognize that is what their goverment had just suppressed.

A legal case that really illustrates the traitorously shortsighted ideological disposition of those who fought the war on the north.

I went to their schools and agreed with them as a kid, it wasn't until I actually read the original documents myself I realized how wrong I was. Their position was indefensible ideoligcal fervor exploiting people's emotional attachment and ignorance of basic prinsables and reasoning, and a lot of unconstitutional suppression of free speech and terror to force the unionist view.

[goaded]

"nobody could ever cede their inalienable right to self-determination" except slaves.

"This idea is very much intrinsic in the idea of Americanism" true.

And get lost with the idea of America being some kind of leader in abolishing slavery, the British Empire made the slave trade illegal a generation before the civil war.

[Opinion Owner]

I do not deny that the cause against slavery is ideologically at odds with the foundations of America this fact was recognized in part by many. @goaded This fact however only makes the supposed measures taken to end slavery less excusable if it were to enact a new broader form of it explicitly at odds with the foundation of America.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Advertising is extremely powerful when the target's weak point is found.

[AviatorTom]

Compared to the other candidate, at least he said something meaningful.

[Juxtapose]

Trump is a hero that should go on Mount Rushmore. Don't believe these lies!

[goaded]

What lies?

[Juxtapose]

All the bullshit said about Trump, like him being guilty of any of these BULLSHIT charges.

[msc545]

He is guilty as hell, and YOU are guilty of gross denial which eventually will return and bite you in the ass when you realize badly you've been duped.

[Juxtapose]

These are the most obvious, bullshit charges I have ever seen done in the United States in my lifetime. None of these are going to stick and you're going to see so.

[msc545]

Well, yes, given your elite legal knowledge and education, I am sure you are right. LOL

[msc545]

Also your great writing and grammar talents, eg: "ever seen done" LOL!!!

[Juxtapose]

You're ridiculously stupid if you think "ever seen done" isn't acceptable grammar. Even if it wasn't it is irrelevant to this discussion and just amounts to baseless character assassination.

[Friendlybro79]

@Juxtapose how is it that you are so sure you're correct and that the juries that have found him liable or guilty of civil and criminal cases a lie? How do you know you're not being hoodwinked? Look back at how you say everything is rigged against him but if things are possibly rigged, why is it not possible that he is the one rigging things? He seemingly gets away with felonies that a jury of his peers found him guilty of. How is that evidence rigged?

[msc545]

You really are a sissy, whining about "character assassination". As if you don't ever so it. Cry more.

[Juxtapose]

@msc545

[Juxtapose]

Thank you for showing me you have nothing of substance left.

[Juxtapose]

@Friendlybro79

"A local prosecutor magically turned a single state misdemeanor into 34 federal felonies in a state court in front of a judge with direct ties with the Biden administration, and whom also instructed the jury that they could still find the Defendant guilty even if they couldn't "find" or "identify" the crime. Stop gaslighting people with your disingenuous dangerous socialism bullshit and stop deliberately spreading disinformation."

[Friendlybro79]

It isn't magic it's called evidence that was presented to a jury and testimonies in court. Stop being brainwashed and thinking everything and anything negative brought to you by your cult leader has to be fake. And thanks for not answering my question. How do you know it's all fake and the jury convicted him. A jury of his peers not Biden. Omg of the logic is a Biden judge then how is it not the same when it's a trump judge. Stop your divisive rhetoric because it's tearing the entire country apart. It's not on the rest of us to have to rhetorically slap common sense into you. Wake the hell up. Your claim is it's all fake and the judge and jury and the evidence is fake. How do you substantiate your feelings or validate every time Trump says. Wasn't me... where's your evidence? You don't have any. You just have its "obvious lies". Get the hell out of here.

[Friendlybro79]

Oh and read man

www.reuters.com/.../

[Friendlybro79]

You are the only one spreading lies. It takes zero effort for you to just repeat like a parrot what Trump says and blindly trust him.

[Juxtapose]

@Friendlybro79 you're lying.

[Juxtapose]

@NYCQuestions1976 you know a lot about this. Let's get some sense into these guys.

[Friendlybro79]

How am I lying? How is it that it's a lie. Aren't you tired of having feelings you can't substantiate? I feel means it's true. If I don't like it can't be true. If I hear there's evidence proven in a court of law against my guy... can't be true.

But when a court excuses my guy... it's correct

When a mere allegation against my enemy is presented and is not shown to a jury but behind closed doors so America can't see... it's real

This is your logic. And that last example is the Hunter Biden laptop that for 4 years Republicans just lie and say we have proof and when they're asked to produce it they can't because they have nothing. The kicker is if they did and it went to court or impeachment id defend the evidence and say Biden needs to go.

Could you ever be in a situation where you could say the same for your Daddy Trump? No you can't because you would just dismiss anything negative about him. To you it's impossible for Trump to be guilty of anything ever.

[Juxtapose]

@Friendlybro79 I'm tired of this shit dude. Every time I investigate some bullshit claims against Trump, it turns out it was a fucking lie. Then I spend hours contesting the lie and nobody's mind is changed regardless of how correct I am.

Arguing with people who have Trump derangement syndrome is a waste of time. I literally only do it when I am bored and want to kill time.

[goaded]

Nobody's minds get changed because you're almost never correct. You think that an alternate opinion is a lie, and that facts are lies.

[Friendlybro79]

@Juxtapose You should be tired of taking what 30 seconds to just Google why trump is always innocent and choosing the first website that agrees with your need for Trump to be innocent. I despise him but I accept he won the election. I don't cry and say it was rigged or complain that even though he didn't get 50% of the overall votes, meaning more than half of us didn't vote for him. I'm not going to Google something that just says what I want and need to feel better. You gotta just snap out of it and understand you're not able to investigate how the court lied because anyone can write that. So if the courts find him guilty it's fake if they find him innocent it's real. If he loses its a lie if he wins it's true. You don't have any evidence bro and it's ok that you were wrong about the guy but it's not ok to continuously perpetuate your upset feelings as truth

[Friendlybro79]

Ultimately you are just going with your faith that Trump is the only truth teller and everyone else is a liar. You don't think that a really good liar would try to convince you he was innocent after being proven guilty? How can anyone take you seriously.

[Juxtapose]

Blah blah blah blah 🥱🥱😴😴

Same old shit I have heard before.

[Friendlybro79]

You're not hearing anything lol. The cult you're in has you so wound up.. Watch... I dare you to actually say it's possible any human being including Trump could be not who they seem and be a liar

[Juxtapose]

@Friendlybro79 I wish I wasn't hearing anything. You're boring and dross.

[Friendlybro79]

You can't even admit that of course any man could be a liar including Trump. Lol You can't handle the thought. You aren't actually hearing anything because you lack critical thinking and don't like being challenged to think past what you want to be true. Your defense is calling me a liar and saying I read online the courts are fake and rigged and a judge told a jury nonsense that's been debunked. You will believe anything you want to be true. I could care less being wrong about someone. If I voted for someone who turned out bad I would just say I was wrong and move on. I also can critique the party in which I am registered and the candidate I have voted for. You just kneel to Trump.

[msc545]

Cry more loser.

[Juxtapose]

@Friendlybro79 dude I have already debated with hundreds of people like you and you are all the same. You have no valuable perception of reality since you are completely biased towards the Democrats.

I am a classical liberal and I understand that they are not liberal, they are fake, corporate Democrats who are cuddling up with the likes of Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney. Almost all of Washington DC voted for Harris, she can barely put two sentences together and the man that was running before her, Joe Biden, is a virulent racist who did fucked up shit to his daughter in the shower as admitted by her own diary that was verified.

But no, even the fact that I have displayed before you are meaningless to you. I could cite sources but you will discredit those sources through your own bias. You refuse to listen, we are just going to talk over each other and go over every little political rock and find that yes, we fundamentally do not agree on what reality is.

I think you are batshit crazy and you probably think the same about me. That is fine.

[Juxtapose]

@msc545 you mean like how you did on election night?

[Juxtapose]

Facts: if the Democrats were legit, Bernie Sanders would have been the nominee and Occupy Wall Street would have not been suppressed. Democrats would stand up for free speech even for members of the KKK because that is the liberal thing to do. They would not rely on racial or identity politics, they would focus on how broken the system is and try to do things like make it so corporations are not considered people anymore. Did you know Mitt Romney had a hand in that and Harris is cuddling up to him?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Friendlybro79 Both New York cases are lawfare bullshit. The James case is about to be overturned by the New York State Appellate Court, and Bragg knows that the same thing is eventually going to happen with his farce of a case. That's why he asked for a nonsensical 5 year continuance (postponement). Bragg knows that his case can't be appealed in front of the Appellate Court until it's completely concluded.

[Friendlybro79]

@NYCQuestions1976 what was fake about the case? Because the jury was presented evidence the defense could not refuse as evidence. Why did his defense fail him and the jury convict guilty?

[Juxtapose]

@Friendlybro79 "a judge with direct ties with the Biden administration, and whom also instructed the jury that they could still find the Defendant guilty even if they couldn't "find" or "identify" the crime."

[Friendlybro79]

@Juxtapose that didn't happen with the Judge it has been debunked. You can't keep saying I'm spreading misinformation. I sent the article earlier for you but you're going to continue on with this crap. Trump has appointed Judges so can I just fairly assume they are corrupt in Trump's favor and get legitimate cases dismissed or is that somehow not the same logic? Ok listen we're not going to change each other's mind. So feel free to lie again and discredit the credited without any evidence. No point in talking to a person with zero ability to see the possibility Trump could have ever deserved any of the scrutiny he brings upon himself.

[Juxtapose]

@Friendlybro79 yeah it absolutely did happen. This whole thing has been a kangaroo court shit show and the people who cannot see it are completely propagandized.

[Friendlybro79]

Good luck brother. Have a good day.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Friendlybro79 Merchan's daughter has/had direct ties to the Biden administration and other Democrat politicians. That is NOT debunked. It's FACT.

That aside, Merchan wouldn't allow the defense to object to anything entered into evidence by the prosecution, he told the jury that they could still render a guilty verdict against Trump even if they couldn't "find" or "identify" any of the specific crime (s) that were alleged by Bragg, and, as I already pointed out earlier, the one single lone misdemeanor that the entire case is/was based on, was EXPIRED long before the case began. The whole entire case is bullshit and lawfare.

[Juxtapose]

@NYCQuestions1976 ^^ this

[Friendlybro79]

@NYCQuestions1976 Holy crap lol. Judge merchan literally said they could have objected more and CHOSE NOT TO. You have to prove the ties to a judge did something wrong. Judge canon who has direct ties to Trump who has been criticized for not stepping out of his other case was ok right?

Here's the debunking of your nonsense that the judge didn't allow them to obect

www.politifact.com/.../

You can continue on without me for real this time. Gentlemen I'm out. Have a great holiday season

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Friendlybro79 Far-left sources aren't arbiters of facts and reality:

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/politifact

[Juxtapose]

@NYCQuestions1976 hahaha when someone on ironically takes PolitiFact seriously I know it's a wrap 🌯

[Juxtapose]

*unironically

[Friendlybro79]

Read more than the headline pal of your own source.

If you scroll down all sides site just a bit it admits it's own confidence level if it is left leaning is low. Regardless that doesn't mean just cause it's left leaning or right leaning that it's a lie. You have to read the court transcripts and not just a fox news reporters talk show headline.

Confidence Level
Confidence is determined by how many reviews have been applied and consistency of data.
As of November 2024, AllSides has low or initial confidence in our Lean left rating for PolitiFact. If we perform more bias reviews and gather consistent data, this confidence level will increase.

I will punch myself in the dick if I reply to you fools again lol

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Friendlybro79 That was just the first link on Google, not the only one. I'm not wasting my valuable time copying and pasting numerous links that tell the same damn thing.

Wake up to actual factual reality. Do you think the leftists in the government are only going after Trump? They consume their own all the time. It's happening right in front of you.

Barack Obama and Eric Holder went after Bob Menendez in 2014, the former Democrat senator from New Jersey, just days after he spoke out against Obama's plans to normalize relations with Cuba. Before that, neither Obama or Holder cared that Menendez may or may not have been involved in shady financial dealings.

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz conspired with Hillary Clinton and her campaign cronies in 2015 and 2016 to bury Bernie Sanders and his campaign. Wasserman-Schultz resigned as DNC Chair in disgrace over that.

Eric Adams, the Democrat mayor of New York City, rightfully criticized Joe Biden, his administration, and Kathy Hochul over their handling of the southern border and illegal immigrant crisis in 2023. Just days after that, a woman came out of the woodwork and accused Adams of sexually assaulting her back in 1993, Merrick Garland's DOJ sent the FBI to raid the home and office of the Adams campaign manager while Adams was on his way to meet with Biden in Washington DC, and Garland launched a gigantic investigation into Adams's financial dealings with Turkey and other countries. Maybe Adams did something, maybe he did nothing... but boy oh boy, it's amazing how no one in the government cared about anything that Adams may or may not have been doing, and no one had accused him of assault, until he opened his mouth. ⬇️

[NYCQuestions1976]

⬆️ @Friendlybro79 Then, just most recently, these same leftists in the government turned on Biden and threw him under the bus for someone with ZERO delegate votes. Then liberals soil themselves after Trump wins the election, and then are left wondering why Biden was grinning like the Cheshire Cat when he met with Trump last week.

It's all good though. You do you. Just keep whistling louder and walking faster past the ever-growing leftists' victims' graveyard. I can assure you of one certain thing: Trump will never be one of the leftists' successfully toppled victims.

[NimbleOcelot]

Lol, as if that hasn't been every argument you've had.

[NimbleOcelot]

That was in response to the ad hominem line. This guy never posts sources, and calls everything that doesn't support his ideology leftie propaganda.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 Biden stepped down because he's too old and only after he started getting sick.

[Juxtapose]

@NimbleOcelot that's because it's true, everything you have been saying has been leftist propaganda.

[Juxtapose]

I mean come on dude you're using PolitiFact and pretending it is unbiased. Get real.

[NimbleOcelot]

I may have posted a politifact if it had the relevant info. But I don't use Politifact as a single news source. And fyi, all news sources are biased. Which nonbiased ones do you get your news from?

[Juxtapose]

https://m.youtube.com/@GlennGreenwald/videos

That's one.

[NimbleOcelot]

YouTube? Really? How are you going to call other sources biased and unreliable, and then post a YouTube channel as your own?

[Juxtapose]

Wow, do not know who Glenn Greenwald is? He is a world-renowned journalist 🤣

[Juxtapose]

You people are so biased against independent journalists you don't even recognize award-winning journalists.

"His work contributed to The Guardian's 2014 Pulitzer Prize win and he was among a group of three reporters who won the 2013 George Polk Award."

[Juxtapose]

https://youtu.be/Z-j02wru9l4?si=75FqHN4uDITkj9Za

[Juxtapose]

You just lost all of your credibility son.

[NimbleOcelot]

Doesn't mean he isn't biased, and world renowned doesn't mean everything he says is true. World renowned usually means he has a strong source of income. Especially the part where he called Afghanistan Obama's war, as if Obama didn't just inherit it.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot Biden was thrown under the bus by the Democrats in favor of someone who got ZERO delegate votes. Biden was forced out. He didn't just "step down".

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 He wasn't forced out. Bernie Sanders was, but Biden was not.

[Juxtapose]

@NimbleOcelot you were ready to dismiss him because he's on YouTube lol, don't pretend like you know him.

[NimbleOcelot]

I looked him up, but he's a single point of information, and mainly seems to be on YouTube. Does he post any actual articles with links to things that happen? He also seems incredibly biased as of recent, although from what I could tell, he used to be much more reputable.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot Pelosi, Schumer, Obama and all the big Democrat party leaders forced Biden out. Stop being naïve.

[Juxtapose]

@NimbleOcelot dude look up his past and how respected he has been. He is a world-renowned journalist for a fucking reason.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 Source?

[NimbleOcelot]

Yes, but even if he used to be, he's one source of news. CNN, Fox, etc used to be considered reputable. If you are listening to only a single, biased news source, your own view will be biased. And as I already asked, does he post sources for all of the information he provides?

[Juxtapose]

@NimbleOcelot already know I if you ever thought corporate news was reputable then you are part of the problem.

Look it up yourself dude.

[NimbleOcelot]

I said I look up my news from multiple sources, cross-examine to look for discrepancies, then see what info is true and what is not. If you only look up YouTube videos from one source, you can't do that. And your link is clearly biased for Trump anyway, which you can see by his recent videos.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot Seriously? They all told him to step down in July after the debate at the end of June! Where the hell have you been? The Democrats BULLIED Biden into quitting the race:

www.cbsnews.com/.../

abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=111854551

That's just two of DOZENS of links on Google! Then, after Trump won the election, Pelosi blamed Biden for Harris losing after they all told Biden to quit, and also blamed Biden for not having a primary, after THEY WERE THE ONES WHO DIDN'T WANT THE PRIMARY, because if Harris wasn't on the top of the ticket as Biden's replacement, the Democrats would've had to return the hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign donations that was given to the Biden-Harris campaign.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7m24zg85eo

abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=115652125

Again, that's just two of DOZENS of links on Google! It's easy to find all of this stuff. You really need to stop being naïve.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 But they didn't force him to step down, they said he should, but so did many Republicans and voters. And not because of Biden personally, but largely due to his age. He is 82 years old. He would likely die in office at that age.

[NimbleOcelot]

Will I say it was the best decision? No, and do I think Democrats should stop changing nominees at the last second? Yes, especially in Bernie Sanders's case. However, I don't see how asking him to step down proves anything, or what your point is on the matter. I'm asking how did they force him to?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot If Pelosi, Schumer, Obama, and all of those Democrats didn't all gang up on Biden and tell him to step down, Biden wouldn't have stepped down. It wasn't his idea. He was defiant until the end. They forced him to step down.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 I won't say they don't do that at all, but I highly doubt it's to the point you made it seem. Biden is 82 years old. It honestly made sense for him to step down. And tbh, Trump should have as well.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot You don't seem to understand (or you're at least underestimating) the concept of "browbeating".

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 Please show me evidence of browbeating. There is actual evidence of Trump doing it to a much larger extent if you are trying to argue that that's a reason not to vote for the democrats. There is a difference between browbeating and trying to convince someone to step down. I guarantee you they did not threaten the sitting president, and he definitely seems much happier to be leaving office.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot I've already provided you numerous links. You have access to Google searches the same way I do, and can type "Biden forced out by Democrats" and "Biden stepped down" on Google the same way I did. If you want to keep your head in the sand, then that's on you. It's not my job to continue to spoon feed you reality.

Biden was grinning like the Cheshire Cat when he met with Trump because Trump beat those who forced him to step down. Link for that specifically? No. That's just simply called "reading the room".

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 Biden has been smiling for a while since he decided to step down. He was not forced, even in the posts you linked. He was asked to and obliged. You really think Biden would be smiling about the guy who tried to throw his son in jail won? No, he was not.

[NimbleOcelot]

He was smiling because he doesn't have to deal with the politics anymore and can retire.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot That Cheshire Cat grin during the meeting wasn't a "retirement" smile. 😂

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 I don't know what you think it was, but he is glad to be done. He's been grinning like that since he announced he was stepping down.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot If the Democrats had never demanded that Biden step down, he would've never stepped down. The Democrats BULLIED Biden out of the race. Your take on this is just completely inaccurate.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 Yes, the most powerful person in the country was bullied out of their position. And that's why he is so happy about it after. You are letting your bias show.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot Post just ONE LINK that shows Biden smiling like the way he was smiling in that meeting with Trump that occurred between July 22, 2024 (the day after he finally agreed to the Democrats' demands for him to drop out) and November 5, 2024 (Election Day).

Biden was smiling in that meeting because the people who bullied him out of the race wound up losing the election. You need to stop being naïve.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 Post just one link that shows that he isn't just happy about retiring. You keep saying I need to show proof, but you made the statement here. You need to show proof. You can't make an assumption after you all repeatedly say I can't make obvious assumptions. There are many reasons why Biden could have been smiling, and many reasons not to think the most powerful man in the country was bullied.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot I've already posted numerous links that all show that Democrats demanded that Biden quit the race. You're the one that made the claim that Biden has been smiling ever since he quit. Thus yes, it's up to you to present at least one example of him smiling like he was in the meeting from between 7/22/2024 and 11/5/2024.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 Here's a link of Biden saying the opposite of what you said, still smiling. english.elpais.com/.../...y-only-when-you-win.html

:)

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot Dude, that's AFTER election day! That link helps PROVE my point! 😂

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 He is literally saying the opposite of what you said. And clearly you've never quit a job. There are many, many alternative reasons to what you said. He is smiling because he's retiring, and he sees the light at the end of the tunnel, he is smiling as if to tell America to hold their heads up high (which he also said in his speech if you read it), he is smiling because he will soon be done with politics, he is smiling because he'd been under a lot of stress that is now over, he is smiling because of something he knows is coming that he hasn't mentioned yet, etc. The least likely reason for him to be smiling is that he is happy that the person who said he stole the election for four years, and constantly tried to get him and his son in jail on false charges, won the election. You are saying that Trump literally being convicted of rape isn't proof of it, but Biden smiling is proof of what you say? Evidence is only evidence if you believe it, right?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot Trump was never convinced of rape. That's blatant disinformation.

All I requested is that you show me just one time when Biden smiled like he did in that meeting from between 7/22/2024 (the day after the Democrats finally convinced Biden to quit the race) and 11/5/2024 (Election Day). You've failed to do that to this point.

Biden is smiling like the Cheshire Cat in that meeting with Trump because the people who bullied him into quitting the race lost the election.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 Shall I post the court documents again? caselaw.findlaw.com/.../114642632.html

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot Rape is a criminal charge that requires a criminal case. That was a CIVIL case, brought by someone who made an accusation in 2019 about something that allegedly transpired in 1995. 1995! Where were this accusation BEFORE Trump entered politics, BEFORE he was President, and BEFORE he was elected President again? Where was this person for TWENTY FOUR YEARS? Here's the answer:

It's B U L L S H I T !

So again, stop posting disinformation. You're very very VERY naïve.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 No, let's get this straight. It was a defamation case where Trump was found guilty of said action after besmirching her and saying she was a liar. It was beyond the statute of limitations, so it couldn't be tried in criminal court. However, he was tried for defamation, which could be. It was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did in fact perform those actions, but that he could not be tried as such. This doesn't mean it was bullshit. Same with Cosby. Same with any other criminal past the statute of limitations.

[Juxtapose]

@NimbleOcelot wow where was this case before he became a political candidate?

It's almost like it's bullshit!

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot Wrong. Civil cases burden is just over 50%, not 99.99%. The statute of limitations wouldn't have been an issue if the person didn't wait 24 years to say something. You know why the person never said anything before 2019? The whole case was fabricated
B U L L S H I T !

[Juxtapose]

@NYCQuestions1976 yep, it's always when politicians against the establishment start being a problem for the establishment that all of a sudden these women from almost 30 fucking years ago are bringing up shit and these guys don't even recognize these women half the time. The woman that accused Trump of rape? He probably never even saw her once in his whole life.

[Juxtapose]

I think these cases should be dismissed off hand if it's just going to be he said, she said.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Juxtapose It's not that. It's the moving of the goalposts and manipulating reality by the far-left whenever anyone that's not aligned with them either speaks out against them or a political opponent they can't stand seeks a new job and/or promotion. Donald Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, Matt Gaetz, Eric Adams, Bernie Sanders, and Bob Menendez all challenged the far-left establishment in some way, shape, or form, and then suddenly, POOF! There are accusations or investigations or collusion in an attempt to silence and bury them. It's so clearly manufactured bullshit that I truly believe that anyone who believes otherwise is either deliberately being obtuse and/or has several severe mental impairments.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 you guys really have faith in your rapists. If you can't accept the facts when I present them, you are beyond hope, and I'm done wasting my time. Meanwhile "Biden smiled cause the guy who tried to bully him publicly for four years won!" Is your current go to.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot I've already explained that rape is a criminal charge that requires a criminal case, and there was no criminal case. I've been more than patient with someone who I figured was just naïve and misinformed. Now I see that it's blatant and deliberate liberal ignorance. Go be stupid somewhere else.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 There was ample proof provided that he did indeed perform the action speculated. And he has been criminally charged for other things. Surely you don't think the rich and powerful are held to the same standards as us common folk. You want proof, but the only proof you'll accept is a criminal case that was ONLY ran by Republicans who swear absolute loyalty to Trump. Then you call me ignorant. You will refute everything I say with if it wasn't proven 100% (75% isn't enough), then it didn't happen. If it did happen, then it was the left. If it was the right, they are traitors, so they can't be trusted either. I could show you a video of Trump raping someone, and you'd say it was out of context, and he probably paid her for the tape. Also, by the way look up what Epstein has to say about Trump, but I already know you'll say it was out of context.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot There was no criminal charge, there was no criminal case, and there was no criminal trial. You typed all that nonsensical gibberish for nothing.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 www.nytimes.com/.../trump-hush-money-verdict.html

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 Yea, smart people talk sounds like gibberish to the unintelligent.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot Oh you mean the case where the prosecution illegally turned an expired state misdemeanor into multiple felonies, and just recently asked for a nonsensical FIVE YEAR CONTINUANCE, because he knows that it's going to be overturned by the Appellate Court? HA HA HA HA HA! You're a full-blown fool.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 If it was done illegally, then why was it not brought further? Don't talk nonsense, you just read the lies Fox tells you.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot It can't be appealed to the Appellate Court until the sentencing phase of the case occurs, completing the case. That's why Bragg asked for the ridiculous 5 year continuance, to deliberately delay going in front of the Appellate Court, because Bragg knows his case is lawfare bullshit and will be overturned.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 no, it's because he doesn't want to sentence a sitting president dumbass.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@NimbleOcelot HA HA HA HA HA!

Good one. The case is lawfare bullshit and it's going to be overturned by the Appellate Court, when it finally gets there.

[NimbleOcelot]

@NYCQuestions1976 Sure thing bud.

[Staximus]

All politicians lie, time to wake up to reality pal

[NimbleOcelot]

But most of them aren't treated like heroes for doing so and doing so blatantly, while also trying to overturn the US constitution and acting openly like the laws don't apply to them.

[noohair]

You can tell when a politician is lying when their lips are moving...

[RavVid]

It is if you said Goebbels.

[Dongie]

I doubt very seriously!!