I’m anti feminism, is it a bad thing?

[Loki97]

Is it a bad thing? I notice feminist men are the most toxic masculinity showing types with nice guy syndrome. They also seem to be the ones being friend zoned by most women. I’ve noticed they also tend to be abusive when they don’t get their way, it’s not all but a good majority I’ve met. What do y’all think about feminism vs anti feminism?

[D_Bone_Steak]

Welcome to the club I guess.

First of all, feminism isn't what it was in the dictionary anymore and I hate what it's become... misandry with a twist of female supremacist ideologies.

So there's guys like me that makes his wife coffee in the morning and I've done nothing wrong...

Then when I flick on the media... I guess it's my fault Lilly Phillips slept with 100 guys in one day. She and her mother and all female management is doing that and making that happen... but somehow it gets generalized to "all men." <--That's just one out of many daily examples I could give.

Now I'm going to make my wife coffee and cook my kid some food, just to come back and be told another reason why I'm so god awful and worthless just because I was born with a dick between my legs... not for anything I've done.

[NaultD]

Yes. In short answer but I'll help you understand why in any way shape and form I can.

My fundamental philosophy is we are only as strong as our weakest defense. Raising tides raises all ships.

So if 50% of the population is not considered equal we got bigger problems.

The looneyest meme is lost in the woods do you want to see a man vs bear. Humans and the power we have is some scary shit and we all need to respect it.

To put it bluntly the power dynamics tend to be an adult punting a child. That's the base level of fear for a feminist going against some random dipshit you yourself are inching to fight as an average guy.

[Loki97]

Sir. Can you speak in Odins plain English. And not in riddles. We are already equal to an extent. However true equality would mean needing to be able to preform the same despite differences. Also there is a difference between what is thought to be toxic and what is. As for the bear vs man argument it’s disrespectful to men and a double standard as is most feminism.

[NaultD]

I'm friend here. I'll help guide you through any troubles you got.

We strive to be equal here but it's not always that easy. We (as i speak for myself 6 feet 8 340 pounds know enough boxing to defend myself.) Having nothing to fear but fear itself. I'll hold my ground from there see another day.

I can hold my ground but what are others to do?

We as anyone stronger then most have opportunities. If you recognize you are not going to win you have to place your bets on nature. That fucking sucks.

At the same time you don't have to place yourself as the badguy in a hypothetical. That's 100% on you.

[Loki97]

So yo got buff to bully people into feminism? Seems a bit hypocritical

[NaultD]

It's not bullying. There is more a arrogant person pride to this. I can be piss drunk from a bar grabbing light pole to light pole home and see people crossing the street seeing me. I'm sad they think of me as a threat but I still respect it.

It's a fundamental understanding of power dynamics.

[Loki97]

Women shouldn’t fear men, but weak men are why women fear men.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Not being abusive or a "nice guy" or toxic masculine etc, that doesn't make u anti-feminist. Anti-feminist would have to go against feminism values and/or what feminists as a movement are trying to do.

If u meet guys who claim to be feminist, but their behavior goes against feminism values or goals, I think what u rlly met was just grifters who use the label "feminist" to try to get close to women for their own reasons. Not actual feminists.

I don't know if you being anti-feminist is bad tho bc I don't know what that means to u. If u just mean you don't manipulate or abuse women then, good. I don't see how that's anti-feminist, but it don't make u a bad person fs.

[MzAsh]

The worst type of toxic masculinity is the Andrew Tate, alpha bro type. Entitled Nice guy syndrome is up there though.

[Loki97]

Well I can at least say I’m not Andrew rate level but the character he plays is entertaining in some ways while annoying in others and fucking agree there. Nice guy simps kill me

[MzAsh]

Why are you so passionate about the nice guy trope?

[Loki97]

It’s something I’ve seen all to much.

[Anonymous]

nope. I'm unapologetic anti-feminist

I don't care about the word definition of feminism when feminist actions dictate otherwise and don't bother making excuses "those aren't real feminists"

name me a "real feminist" and I can show you his/her side of misandry

feminism supposedly stands for equality not just women yet anti-feminism is treated as misogyny instead of anti-equality which would mean feminism isn't for equality but actually for woman

[stark04]

I'm anti feminist too. It's not a bad thing. Welcome to the club. re-state//background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft

[Loki97]

Assuming that was some type of code for desktop. And nice.

[stark04]

Some kinda bug or glitch in the matrix. Happening from last couple of days since I've updated the app.

[Loki97]

Well okay then😂

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I didn't encounter, yet, the guys with the profile you describe, the guys I've met, in person, are either not informed about feminism, not really interested in the topic, against the principle or any combination of these three possibilities

[Astarlessnightsky]

Yes, because that would mean you are against equality.

However reading your text to the question it doesn't seem like you are against feminism you are against abuse and toxicity.

[Loki97]

Make no mistakes, I am against the double standards of feminism and demasculation of men. But more than that I am against weak men making all men look bad. I am against abusive and toxic behavior, and I am against simps who claim to be good guys. A lot of points in feminism is just incorrect and misandrist it misleads men to not be men in most cases and now there is a male loneliness epidemic because men don’t know how to be men.

[Crimsyjo]

I think I completely agree with you @Loki97. I think there is a loss in social structure caused by feminism. And it's harming relationships. I think complete equality misses the point - that men and women are supposed to be different. I think some macho shit had to go (like treating women like slaves and making her dependent on men for survival with no rights of her own). But it is hard to find a manly man that doesn't see aggression and abuse as the way to be manly.. and females feeling they can't be vulnerable or need a man without being seen as weak.
Men and women need to embrace differences that enhance a relationship. Not cultivate traits that divide us.

[Anonymous]

Nope, it's normal. All normal men are anti-feminism.

[DrPepper12]

No one can honestly answer that question until you give your definition of feminism.

[OddBeMe]

It cool to believe what you want.

But your definition of feminism has major baggage. Perhaps stop letting others define it for you

[Twalli]

If they're like thatvthry aren't really feminists. I am one and never reacted badly to thr fact thst non women wanted to date me.

[Differently_Alike]

Why is that a bad thing, maybe that's what makes you who you are

[Loki97]

lol it definitely is what I’ve evolved into.

[Differently_Alike]

Look :D
That's not a bad thing, rest assured :D

[Loki97]

Never truly thought it was. Just looking to debate some feminist.

[Loki97]

Maybe change some minds or at least challenge views

[Anonymous]

You are going to be a sad single boy, for a long time then

[Loki97]

lol good think I already got a woman and kid then. Or I’d be so alone.

[Opinion Owner]

Married you out of pity, and your kid likely hates you

[Loki97]

Is there a reason you wanted to live my point of toxic masculinity from a weak man?

[Opinion Owner]

Because you're a weak pathetic man

[MK1997]

No you have your own views

[MK1997]

Would love to chat in private @Loki97