What if FDR lost just before WW2?

[OddBeMe]

Kinda relevant to today as Trump now says he won't honor NATO.

Lindbergh's America First wanted to stay out of all fascist wars. And we'd probably have a verison of a Nazi Germany today.

[Anonymous]

Hard to say. Perhaps if FDR didn't win the British and French would have left the soviet union to the nazis and the nazus would have failed sooner not having the resources that had after the fall of Norway, France, Holland, Belgium etc.

Perhaps the Japanese wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbour and Singapore without FDR goading and manipulating the Japanese into attacking.

Perhaps the world would be more balanced in terms of power between France, Britain and America. Maybe the us wouldn't have emerged from WW2 as the wealthiest most powerful country in history.

As for the Ukraine war you follow the money, who is making it. The Ukrainians have lost and will never win unless US troops go in.

[OddBeMe]

And the Soviet union would be France.

[OddBeMe]

I'm not sure what lindbergh woulda done with the japs. Probably have canceled the embargo of oil which was why they attacked pearl harbor. So yes, just like trump.

[Opinion Owner]

Nah France possibly would have had their own socialist revolution. Possibly the us could be a socialist country today.
Hard to know. The US may not have got involved in a European war but maybe made agreements with Japan over territory and agreed spheres of influence. America had imperial ambitions.
The big thing that you are missing is that b4 ww2 between the British, French, Dutch, Belgians, soviets and Americans was virtually the majority of the world's oil and mineral resources which caused both Japan and Germany to go to war in the first place (Italy went to war less for need and more for nationalistic reasons). So if the us was staying out of WW2 they may have traded with the Japanese, Germans and Soviets.

[OddBeMe]

Im just talking about the Soviets turning the tide of the German invasion and then conquering Europe. Yeah they woulda installed a puppet communist govt in france, which the germans would have evacuated to if the western allies never bothered. Lol

[Opinion Owner]

Hard to say because the Soviets were being supported by Britain and the US. What if Germany had access to all the resources it needed supplied by the US.

[OddBeMe]

Supplies sure. I think we make more of that. Soviets were 180 million country against Germany's 80

[Opinion Owner]

Well you know there were only 50,000 Mongol warriors in the Mongols hordes that took over China, Central, Asia, Ukraine, persia etc. Numbers were never the Germans problem. Ammunition and fuel was. Simply put they kept running out of the Ammunition and fuel needed. You can't kill Russians if you have no bullets.

[OddBeMe]

Not sure about that. They conquered the pacific to Ukraine. They'd need more than 50k.

[Opinion Owner]

Very mobile, used fear and concentrated their forces. Also used other tribes like tartars, avars, turks. Chinese and Koreans in China. Most of their foes weren't professionals but conscripts

[Opinion Owner]

Mongol lack of numbers eventually hurt them as their enemies figured out how to beat them like the Hungarians and poles.

[Anonymous]

I love how you said, "Good catch" to a fellow propagandist. 🤣 I guess the liberal indoctrinators that you called "teachers" in school didn't teach you that the KKK was founded by the democrat party. Congratulations, though! You have the skills to one day work for MSNBC with posts like these!

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To the poster of the America First Klan pic, Umm.. I'm not even American, but I know that the democrat party you serve actually founded the KKK after the lost the civil war. The Republican party was founded in 1854 to oppose the democrat plan to spread slavery into the western territories.

[Anonymous]

Wendell Willkie, was neither an isolationist nor a non-interventionist and aside from the fact that he may not have made the foolish mistake of moving all of America's navy into 1 place for the Japanese to attack.

Wendell Willkie is as likely or more so to have gotten involved than FDR. Probably would have conducted the war in a much more efficient way too. Given how backwards FDR was in building almost anything.

Wendell Willkie being less of a racist might not also have done the Japanese internment.

[WhiteSteve]

Why do these guys have so many similarities with terrible movements?🤔

Probably just another coincidence….

[OddBeMe]

Ouch. Never seen that kkk and america first pic before. Not surprised. But good catch.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Do you know what the ADL is?

[WhiteSteve]

@seeyounexttuesday yes, and they can have whatever opinion they want about it. I still saw what I saw. At best, he’s trolling, and that’s incredibly fucking juvenile for someone acting as a government or government-contracted official, and just for an adult man in his 50s, period. It’s literally juxtaposed next to Hitler with the exact same motion and timing, and you all just reflexively defended it, and are acting like the rest of us are crazy for even pointing out the identical nature of the gesture. Would also have gone a long way if he just responded like a normal person and said “my bad, guys, that came off wrong, I don’t support Nazis or any aspect of their movement”, instead of responding with a tweet of terrible puns using prominent Nazi names, also acting like we’re all crazy and seeing things that aren’t there, which again, is incredibly fucking childlike.

[seeyounexttuesday]

I love how you guys have to make up things to be angry about.

[WhiteSteve]

@seeyounexttuesday I’m not angry about it at all. I think it’s weird, and I think people reflexively defending it and becoming experts on the previously never spoken of “Roman salute” in order to do so is weird. Like the fact that you can’t even be like “LOL, ol’ Elon ‘spergin’ out on us again, but of course we can admit how bad that looked”, that’s so fucking strange. The lengths you go through and the mental gymnastics you perform to deny reality and assert your own MAGA-approved fabrication of reality, and then looking us dead in the face and pretending you aren’t doing it when it’s clear as fucking day that you are, that’s simply fucking WEIRD. You’re like little kids with a sheet over you, pretending to be invisible, and expecting the adults in the room to play along and say “oh wow, where did little Jimmy go? He was just here a minute ago! He must have special powers!”

[seeyounexttuesday]

He waved to the crowd and you lunatics call it a “nazi salute”. That’s the extent of it.

[WhiteSteve]

@seeyounexttuesday cool. Walk down to your local synagogue, or better yet, anyone Jewish in your life, tell them your “heart goes out to them” and hit them with that exact same wave. Same motion, same cadence, EXACTLY like the gif. No big deal, right?

Look, man…. if you guys are going to be weirdos, just own it. You’re not fooling the rest of us, we all think you’re totally fucking tweaked. There’s no saving it at this point. So just BE THAT, and lean into it. You even get to say “haha, we won, Team Weirdo rules🤘”

Just don’t be Level 99 weird, fuck our society up with your weirdo agendas, and then turn around and try to gaslight the rest of us and tell us “we’re not weird, YOU’RE weird!” Just be like “We’re weird fucking people, we won, suck our weird-looking dicks”

[seeyounexttuesday]

Bruh, the “weird” nonsense was over a long time ago, you should have gotten new programming by now.

[WhiteSteve]

@seeyounexttuesday why the quotes? Y’all are objectively weird, it’s not a campaign narrative. Weird in all seasons, not just election season. Fundamentally weird worldview🤷‍♂️

[seeyounexttuesday]

From the group that thinks a woman can cut off her tits and become a man.

[monorprise]

I guess Its worth talking to you about people you hate that you don't call a NAZI, that must be a special case if we ever see it...

[WhiteSteve]

@monorprise I’m not calling him a Nazi in the colloquial meaning it’s taken on, I’m making the GLARINGLY OBVIOUS observation that his gesture, regardless of intentions, is EXACTLY LIKE HITLER’S. Why won’t you just admit that much? Again…. thats so unbelievably weird, to die on this hill.

[monorprise]

@WhiteSteve You are calling him a nazI and your implying that judgement on the basis of a wave that from certant angles might resemble a historic form of a salute.

A salute that it itself while used by the NAZI's was NOT their exclusive trade mark given it was used by countless other people.

which again begs the question why should anyone care about a random jester you misinterpreted? Why do you keep going on about?

[WhiteSteve]

@monorprise Admit it was identical in execution, even if accidental

[monorprise]

@WhiteSteve
Sorry arm, and hand position were that of a wave and did not look anything like a salute to me. I am not sure where you get this idea it was some how a salute.

[WhiteSteve]

@monorprise you people are absolutely unbelievable🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[seeyounexttuesday]

@monorprise be sure to show pics of Walz doing the same hand gesture, just to watch the hilarious spinning.

[seeyounexttuesday]

[WhiteSteve]

@seeyounexttuesday cool, now do the video of it

We already debunked all your weak ass still photo excuses like 6 weeks ago, lmfao, you guys are so bad at this🤣

[bellicose]

Too much to deal with at home, like Democrats being antisemitic in California.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/university-of-california-antisemitism-investigation-justice-department/

[BonzoInBitburg]

Trump has abandoned all the US's former allies and it was announced today that they will no longer share intelligence with the US proving NATO is still relevant. At least DOGE didn't fire any CIA officers. Oh wait...

[dustybiker2]

Reliving history

And people and just ignoring it

[DryGermanGuy]

„History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.“
- Karl Marx

[dustybiker2]

Spot on

[exitseven]

Who can say what would have happened. America might be better off. They could have waited until Europe and Germany fought it out and then the US could have easily defeated Germany in it's decimated condition. Germany might be a US Territory

[goaded]

The US didn't want to enter WWII, either.

[Twalli]

We didn't fight in Germany by choice. We declared war on Japan. Germany and Italy declared war on us.

[OddBeMe]

We lend leased to britian in 1939. Two years before pearl harbor. What if we stopped funding brtiain?

[Twalli]

True, but they were an ally

[Dargil]

Before Trump we had a version of that. Democrats.

[beefcakebradybatson]

America's mother tongue would be German and all POC would have suffered the fate of European Jewry.

[seeyounexttuesday]

FDR, the democrat who put japanese americans in internment camps? That FDR?

[OddBeMe]

Yes that one who fought fascism. Not trying to make deals with them.

Yeah he made terrible mistakes. Like trump putting kids in cages.

[seeyounexttuesday]

That was Obama, champ.

[Anonymous]

[DrPepper12]

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