Do you agree that if we don't study a problem, it doesn't exist?

[msc545]

Typical MAGA thinking this time by "Not a Doctor" Kennedy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2025/03/10/vaccines-nih-rfk-research-canceled/
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[sawno]

That implies that you consider vaccine hesitancy to be a problem, if in the eyes of the administration hesitancy is not a problem or perhaps even desirable then its logical not to research it. But devils advocate argument aside I think your framing of this question is to simplistic.

There's a pretty clear understanding on the right what it would take to improve willingness of vaccination. That's the reason they like RFK to begin with. What you do is remove all the toxic vaccines that should have never been approved to begin with, reform the schedule to where only safe and necessary vaccines are on the list. And then supply clear evidence to why it is actually safe this time. You want to publish proper proof that they are not contaminated, every ingredient that's in it combined with why those ingredients are safe with enough material for independent verification and you want to limit the type of vaccines to types that are known to be safe and effective such as the dead virus types for diseases that are high risk and mutate slow enough to where a vaccine brings lasting protection.

Its all about open and transparent risk minimization and that will do more good for vaccine hesitancy than any study proving what we already know.

[msc545]

You assume there are "toxic vaccines". There are none, just toxic rumors.

[sawno]

Yeah lets just ignore the recorded contaminated batches for example. knollfrank.github.io/.../batchCodes.html that site tracks it, you can see that some batches are causing more injuries and deaths than others. That hints at contamination and lack of oversight.

Lets ignore that stimulating the immune system against diseases with deaths that are only happening if the immune system overreacts and your safe if the immune response is to low.

Lets ignore that mrna vaccines have been observed to produce spike proteins 700 days after vaccination causing immune system disorders in whats now called post vaccination syndrome and recently confirmed again by a yale study.

Lets ignore that we are injecting aluminum into the bloodstream and to some extent mercury.

You want to convince anti-vaxxers? Dismissal means you just lost the debate. Head in the sand approach, they won't take it and you certainly won't ever convince them of anything.

Wanna know what does convince them (At least the ones who will never trust a vaccine again after the covid vaccine fiasco)? Fixing the vaccine schedule with evidence that its safe now.

Same thing with food, there's no way your going to convince me to eat chlorinated food such as baby carrots. Want to know what I had this week? A baby carrot. Because I am in the EU and they use vitamin-c as a preservative instead of chlorine.

[msc545]

You are assuming that the site you mentioned is accurate. Who is compiling that data, and from where? You are assuming that you know enough about medicine and biochemistry and immunology to make the assumptions you are making; I don't think you do.

[sawno]

"Who is compiling that data, and from where?" its transparent on the page. If you scroll down you see the origin is the VARS system which is the official vaccine side effect reporting system by the HHS. Feel free to cross check.

I just listened to doctors a lot during the pandemic, enough to make informed choices. Fun challenge for you, how many times did the corona virus mutate?

[msc545]

The problem with the VARS system is that *anybody* can post anything there, and none of it is verified or cross-checked. Makes it rather worthless.

[sawno]

I disagree, some batches have 200 deaths being reported which is far above the normal safe mean for past vaccines that got taken off the market because 8 died. Its very unlikely that 200 people randomly decided to report a death how happened to have the same batch numbers. I don't think the people randomly reporting even know their vaccine lot number. Assuming you did get vaccinated do you know your own? I assume that material was supplied by the healthcare professionals filing the death reports.

Still you dodged the question, how often has covid mutated approximately?

[msc545]

That VARS thing is completely unreliable, no matter how you try to spin it. Anyone can put anything they want in it. Literally. That is well-known. The companies that make those vaccines have not stopped making them, and if the vaccines were as problematic as you and VARS portray them, nobody would make them.

I am not here to play guessing games.

[sawno]

I conclude your less informed than I am for not knowing the kind of guessing range. Obviously I don't know the exact number, I don't think anyone easily has it since it changes rapidly. Yet I would have been able to answer that with a source.

I don't expect you to know the exact number. But i'd be able to know the amount of digits. And back in 2021 / 2022 I could have listed every major varient being tracked.

[msc545]

I don't think it's a useful or important question at all and quite honestly, I am not going to waste my time dealing with trivia like this despite your insistence on it. If you think it's important, then by all means continue researching it.

[jshm2]

Don't be silly. Can't study anything, when you've fired all the staff!

All these incompetent people put in charge by Trump serve only one purpose : dismantle.

They put more power into the office of the president as a result.

[purplepoppy]

By studying a problem we confirm it exists, by not studying it we can say there's no evidence it exists.

[Booboolove69]

Oh no … we have to study all problems because they inevitably exist

[exitseven]

We really need to spend money to fond out why people don't want to get vaccinated? I will tell them for free. The reason is that there were many side effects from the Covid vaccine. Young people had cardiac problems, suffered strokes and enlarged hearts. The Biden administration stonewalled a lot of this information and forced people to take the vaccine against their will. I was clear that the big pharmaceutical companies were mixed up in that cover up. and all the government agencies like the NIH and the CDC were involved as well and they had lost their credibility.
All this made the public suspicious of not only the Covid vaccines but all vaccines.

[msc545]

ese are all lies that you are repeating here.

[msc545]

These*

[exitseven]

Were you even there? It was in all the papers.

[msc545]

What papers are you referring to?

[exitseven]

"It was in all the papers" was something that was said in the old days when somebody is clueless.

[msc545]

I know that there were a whole bunch of conspiracy theories that alleged the things that you are now saying. I thought that just about everybody knew that these were wise, but apparently you don't.

[msc545]

I hate autocorrect. That should not be wise. It should be lies

[DryGermanGuy]

That's MAGA logic, right there. Trump himself said, the only reason the United States had so many Covid cases was because "they were testing so much". Jesus effin' Christ...

[OneViewpoint]

No wait, this is great news. If we simply stop studying cancer it will cease to exist. This is genius level thinking. Stupid doctors and scientists wasting all that money all those years when we can just "believe" it away.

[OneViewpoint]

No, if we don't study a problem, we are simply not aware of the problem until it bites us in the ass. Even then, the MAGA cult would say ignore that grizzly bear attached to your ass. Trust orange Jesus.

[Sevenpointfive]

no. the problem exists because of the study for it. that's not going away so address it

[DrPepper12]

Only a MAGA could have that level of cognitive dissonance.

[princeofromance]

No, it is just a way of avoiding the problem. Avoiding a problem only causes it to bigger over time.

[Gwendoline]

Talked to a doctor about it. He said that the test kits couldn't tell the difference between covid and flu.

[msc545]

He is wrong if he actually said that

[Gwendoline]

I remember testing positive for covid. It was really just like flu.

[msc545]

Yes, well just because it's like the flu doesn't mean that the test kit can't figure out the difference.

[dustybiker2]

Is Kennedy really related to that family?

[msc545]

Yes, and they are rightfully ashamed of him.

[NathanDavis]

I have a problem with that...

[Dargil]

Throwing stuff at the wall again? Will it stick?