What is wrong with Israel? Why do they not understand proportionality in their treatment of Gaza?

[Anonymous]

Why is the world silent?

Israel continues to bomb civilians, women and children?

Will Israel get punished?

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Finally today Trump saidA lot of people in Gaza are starvingA lot of bad things going onMaybe now the American population, de facto backers of the inhumane cruelty perpetrated on the people of Gaza, those Americans will awaken to their guilty part they have played in killing of babies

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My case remains.. Israel does not act like a democratically represented civilized country. It's like an animal given a single opportunity to murder and destroy it's enemy It has lots of enemies, maybe that's what makes it so barbaric. Based on the replies there is no justification for it's cruelty. And Israel had global sympathy after the crimes of the second world. That sympathy I believe has now evaporated.

[Agape93]

What did you think would happen when an entire area supports, aids and hides terrorists? And when those terrorists butchered, tortured, mutilated, gang raped and kidnapped over 1,000 people in a day, and keep raping, mutilating and hiding their kidnapped victims? None of this shit would be happening if they turned over the hostages. But they chose not to. They chose to fight and support terrorists. They chose to allow gang rape victims to be violated and killed in their homes. Right now, this is the consequences of their own choices.

[Agape93]

1, i call bullshit on the 2400 Palestinians. Show me proof.

2, yeah this did start on October 7th. That's when hamas attacked and was supported and helped by Palestinians. That's why Israel is retaliating. Basic logic hon

[Agape93]

Also I explained why they deserve it.

[Agape93]

I'm still waiting for that proof, otherwise I'll just consider you yet another ignorant liar.

[Agape93]

Oh look, another hamas started terror attack causing a war with Israel.

"Following the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank by Hamas-affiliated Palestinian militants, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) initiated Operation Brother's Keeper"

[Agape93]

Hey, don't kidnap and hurt people, and you'll be left alone. When you know damn well how ruthless they are to just that, why the fuck would you do much worse, but expect humanity? Hamas started this war, Palestinians helped them, they will pay the price.

[Agape93]

One thing I find funny about all you terrorist sympathizers is not one of you has ever said, that what hamas did to innocent people was objectively wrong. Not once

[Agape93]

If hamas hides amongst civilians, and civilians hide the kidnapped hostages and the hamas members, when they give Intel and aid to hamas, they are sympathizers.

Thank you for proving my point. You still couldn't bring yourself to acknowledge what hamas did was wrong.

[Agape93]

Yet again, when terrorists hide amongst civilians and when those civilians hide them in their homes, and their victims in those homes, yeah civilians are going to get caught in th crossfire. If they wanted to, they could have given Israel back the hostages, and stopped helping hamas. They chose not to do either. So yes until they get their shit together, they will keep dying as a result of their own choices.

[Agape93]

Ah finally, one of you acknowledged it. Progress.

[Agape93]

Yeah, that's why they kept finding them. Because they couldn't find em. Bullshit.

No, they're not like me. I may have no empathy or compassion for most people on earth. But if someone in my community raped and murdered women and kids, they'd get no help. I'd kill em. If someone kidnapped a girl to mutilate and abuse, I'd kill the piece of shit. They didn't do that. They helped Hamas hide and resist. They helped Hamas hide their victims. One of the girls rescued by the IDF, even talked about how she was left with a random family, and how the only reason she wasn't raped by the man and allowed to be raped by the wife was because the kids would hear it happen. That's it.

[Asker]

I will report you for offensive comments

[Agape93]

Go for it, but what I said is still true, offensive or not. I could easily do the same for her or you, but I won't, because I'm not so easily offended.

[Jersey2]

Why are you anon? Trolling or ashamed?

Did you cheer on Oct 7th when Hamas did so many horrible things? Were you happy when Hamas fired rockets in Israel?

It’s war. Full on war. Was the proportionality in WWII? No. Hamas was stupid. The people who elected them were stupid. Hamas did horrible things and now are having horrible things are being done to them.

Hamas should offer full surrender and then it will stop. It is fully in their hands. Personally, I don’t care who wins but I can see reality.

[Jersey2]

@QueMila I am not interested in what happened in 2014 OR the many, many events that happened before that. Killings, rockets, mayhem and more going back many decades. It was at rest even with the occasional rockets and BS from Hamas. But the 7th, deliberately so. They thought they could steal hundreds of people as hostages and go back to their holes and laugh.

They triggered a full on war. Hamas wanted the war but they are weak and are getting their ass kicked. I was in the US Army and we had massive respect for the Israeli military, they are that good. Hamas was stupid.

Hamas can offer unconditional surrender and stop this. Why don’t they do that? They cannot win thi war.

[Asker]

Like quemila says it's not right to kill the family of a murderer

What Israel is doing is a crime

Netanyahu is a war criminal

The entire episode suits Israel to ethnically clear the border and get rid of the Palestinians.

They put the Palestinians there in the first place when they were displaced from Israel

It is such evil by Israel, it's beyond belief the world allows this to happen.

[Asker]

Wikipedia:

. +972 magazine pointed out that in this war, just like in other Gaza wars, the casualties were disproportionately Palestinian

[Jersey2]

The double standard is that you would be happy if it was the Israelis getting killed and bombed. Admit it. I don’t want that for either but you want it for Israel. And that is why the Israelis are doing it… because they need you to fear doing another Oct 7th as you ok now what will happen AND they must destroy your ability to do it by taking out infrastructure, the will of the people to fight again and kill off as many current and even future combatants as they can so Hamas will be even more ineffective next time. Understand?

[Jersey2]

doing another Oct 7th as you know now what will happen *

[Asker]

Don't presume what other people think

You guys say the same thing every time! "Why didn't you condemn Hamas"
Blah blah blah
Are there any adults around to answer?

[Darklydarkened]

Your views align with Nazis of WWII, you know that right?

[Jersey2]

@Darklydarkened Me, the asker, who?

[Darklydarkened]

You obviosuly.

And for your note, October 7th was completely justified and it isn't even a grain in the sand compared to atrocity and inhumaneness of Israel.

What's a few hundred dead Israelis and a few hundred hostages compared to generational apartheid? Theft, murder, torture, and sheer barbarity?

I don't even understand why you lot expect us to cry about 7th of October!

When you're a terrorist state that literally steals land, usurp every right of an indigenous people, someone will retalliate, won't they?

The retalliators might be arseholes on their own accord but that doesn't mean they're wrong to retalliate you

[Jersey2]

@Darklydarkened Justified or not, Hamas made a huge mistake and is paying dearly for it. They were foolish and now they and the people and infrastructure of Gaza are paying for it. Everyone has a reason and a justification, Hamas and Israelis too. It was stupid and innocents are paying for it.

I saw a video just now of a Hamas fighter saying he will fight until death. Now how the fuck has he survived this long? By hiding of course. Fucking asshole. And you are a 33 year old male from Ukraine and online here? You should be in a foxhole.

[Asker]

It's true Hamas are brave having resisted for this long

The Israeli cowards by comparison drop bombs from a distance, or drones or jets on women and children.

Israel is trading on the sympathy from WW2 and the support blindly given by USA
Palestinians on the other hand have very few allies

Very sad situation

[Jersey2]

Make no mistake about it, Hamas would drop bombs too if it could just like it shot rockets indiscriminately into Israeli cities. They simply lack the ability to do it but they would too. The Hamas fighter, if he really was an actual fighter, has been hiding behind women and children while the Israelis come out in tanks and on foot to fight in Gaza. The Ukrainians and the Russian are battling it out but not Hamas, they hide and attack the weak.

[Darklydarkened]

You are insane man

First of all, I'm not Ukranian, I was living in Ukraine when I opened this account is all and don't care enough to alter it now

Second, you are literally ignoring the fact that Israel is an apartheid regime, a fucking terrorist nazi state, you just somehow trying to claim that because of Hamas, whatever Israel does is justified

Get help, and please don't be around normal people

There are kids that should not be exposed to your perversion

[Darklydarkened]

By the way, Israel deserve being dropped bombs into its cities at this point

Like I want the world to unite and drop a tactical nuke to Tel-Aviv to make them stop their wanton brutality

[Jersey2]

@Darklydarkened You see, you as well as the Muslim states around Israel, want the death of Israel and her people.

They have tried to kill off the state of Israel many times over many decades. Israel know this and knows that there will be no mercy for them. You would be so happy, right? Big smile, excited, and screaming for joy. So what do they do? They fight for their lives. They are giving little way because they will receive no quarter, no mercy. And they are good and Hamas is not.

[Darklydarkened]

Victim card is long expired on this one. No Arab state has the power of killing Israel, for fuck's sake they were willing to forget about all this and were in negotiations for new deals

What Arab state is lifting a finger about any of this?

You are just yammering nonsense and shamelessly lying to pretend Israel is under any serious threat by its neighbours.

If it were, there wouldn't be a genocide in Gaza

And I would not be happy no matter which end of this semitic barbaric tribes win in the end. But I won't be bullied by zionist framework into thinking Israel is defending itself

Netanyahu regime, is committing genocide to avoid prison

That's what this is

[Jersey2]

@Darklydarkened No, the victim card is expired…. FOR BOTH SIDES. The other Muslim countries that neighbor Israel have learned their lesson. Gaza has not. It’s learning now. Gaza is a neighboring state and was a threat as evidenced by Oct 7th which is opposite of what you claimed. Now they are trying to hold on. I see baby food was delivered yesterday which is great. But then I realized Hamas would take it and they would be eating the baby food. It’s funny when you think about it.

[Darklydarkened]

You are spaking in Nazi terms. Just gassing and doing whatever you can to look the other way as Israel brutalising and genociding Palestinians

You probably were happy in October 7th

Rubbing your hands together and saying "Finally, a reason to murder them all"

[Jersey2]

@Darklydarkened No, on Oct 7th I was confused as to why a military, paramilitary really, would attack a concert and do such things. As it unfolded and the videos came out I was in a bit of disbelief at what I was seeing. Then I saw those Hamas idiots on flying machines with a big fan on the back like US Special Forces might use and I thought what a bunch of idiots. Truly, idiots.

I was watching the news and they said Hamas had taken over 200 hostages. I told my wife they will be viewed as already dead by the Israelis and that they must attack. I said this as an ex-soldier, it is what needs to be done, period. And they did. Hamas thought they could take people and trade them for things and laugh all night. They ain’t laughing now. They really are cowards as they hide behind the population. They don’t come out to fight and on Oct 7th they attacked a concert instead of a Israeli military base. Idiots with guns who start something and then hide while they complain that Israel is fighting back. Morons.

I am mad when I think about it. All the babies killed, all the innocent people trying to live their lives and yet Hamas hides and whines like bitches.

[Asker]

And now Israelis in Washington are getting the backlash

[Jersey2]

Yes, they have ignored us in the past as they have to put survival at the top of the list. They will take some heat to accomplish key goals if they have to, again, they have done it before.

[Darklydarkened]

Helpful hint, don't make a concert next to a hellish apartheid concentration camp.

If shits go down, you might get shot.

You think I give a damn about anybody who died in that concert? Do they not know what Israel is doing right next to them?

You think Israeli citizens, are not keeping Netanyahu in charge?

You can't be complicit to genocide, and assume victimhood from retalliation to it.

Just like if a bunch of Germans being killed in Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, is perfectly normal because Jews are resisting the holocoust there, same applies here

And zionists complaining about baby killings? 16000 children dead in Gaza since October 7th! 16.000!

Shut the fuck up and go jump off a bridge somewhere you fucking nazi!

[Asker]

That sums it up well:
What Darkly said:
"You can't be complicit to genocide and then assume victimhood from retaliation to it"

[Jersey2]

You both want Jews murdered by the millions. Your hate wells up inside you. Nazis want to kill Jews, not me. I don’t even want Muslims killed. Hamas kicked a hornets nest and now they are paying for that mistake.

Again, I have no dog in the hunt as they say. All of those children would be alive if Hamas didn’t stupidly attack that concert. They then thought the hostages would save them. It didn’t. Then they hid and let everyone around them get bombed for their stupid attack. They had Gaza and the babies had life. Now they don’t because the Jews are winning and you are mad about it. Hamas can surrender but they let the babies die instead. They are bad fighters and bad tacticians and strategists.

[Darklydarkened]

How do you think an apartheid is to be responded?

200 hostages is a small number. Like if they killed every single one of them, it doesn't give moral highground to Israel

You do realise the October 7th is morally just, right?

Like, you can't expect anyone to find Hamas' actions unjustified

[Jersey2]

@Darklydarkened Morally right is subjective. Depending on where one is born, it makes sense to fight in the side you are born into in this mess. Both sides have faults and both sides have valid issues. But Hamas lost by the end of that October. They should have sought to get peace or surrender. That would have saved all of this destruction and death. But they put their pride first and let 16,000 babies die.

Hamas lost a long time ago. They weren’t being exterminated, they were firing rockets into Israel before all of this. They lost but refuse to see that and it led to even more disaster. Now Israel says it will control all of Gaza now, so more death and the loss of all of Gaza which looked nice before all of this.

You believe and others that Hamas is right. Jews and others believe that Israel is right. The war has been fought over this patch of sand and Hamas lost. There was no reason to let it go this far except for the pride of some bad fighters who hide and let Gaza be destroyed and children killed. They will lose all of their land and all control so it was for nothing but pride of some badly defeated fighters who will either be killed, captured or run away.

[Darklydarkened]

No, both sides aren't at fault. Israel is a genocidal, apartheid state that is brutalising a people.

You won't wiggle your way out of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrdldVhfbaU

This is your stance.

You think if Palestinians do not resist, all this will end

No! Israel is a nazi state

And every Israeli person is complicit in it

So stop fucking pretending

[Jersey2]

@Darklydarkened Israel is the stronger state and resistance is futile. That is the way of the world and always will be. Israel is fighting for its survival and will do whatever it takes to win. Hamas clawed at Israel for many years and then had its head swiped off. Now it is dying.

If a nuke goes off in Israel as you wanted, then many will die including everyone in Iran. It will all be over in a short time if that happens. Barely enough time for you to cheer.

[Jersey2]

I’m done here.

[Darklydarkened]

Ah, the sociopathic "We can do it, so what we do is just" argument.

So if some antisemite regime takes power in US, and starts carpet bombing Israel, are we supposed to think it's okay because US is the stronger state and resistence is future?

Will you sing the same tune?

Anyway, nazis are derranged to make sense of the world in basic human decency so I'm not surprised

Israel by the way, isn't a strong enough state, it's just backed by US

Only thing that can make you sing an entire different tone is American voters demanding action against Israel strong enough to make it politically necessary

Then, Israel will struggle against even those rag-tag Houthis

[OneViewpoint]

I have no problem with Israelis in general. But... Israel has a fascist minority in charge at the moment headed by their Fascist In Chief Netanyahu. Just as the USA has a fascist minority in charge at the moment led by our Fascist In Chief, Orange Jesus, also know as Captain Bone Spurs.

[Asker]

Aha
Trump dodged the Vietnam draft claiming he had "bone spurs" on his feet

[Asker]

A balanced response is possible
Take recent exchange between Pakistan and India

But Israel is off the scale

Never drop bombs on an imprisoned population is defenceless women and babies
Never
Never
Never

Israel doesn't understand

And makes things only worse for itself

[overlord337645]

for isreal this is not about life and death its about survival i dont want them to bomb children either but if they dont do something they will fall and how can you blame isreal when terror groups like hamas continue to hide out in school buildings thats just sick i feel bad for the poor commander who has to order a hit on those places knowing civilians could be inside because hamas has no concious and yet here we are asking why isreal bombs targets with civilans

[Asker]

What are you saying?
Israel is disgusting
Killing babies
Starving the population
There was sympathy for Israel because of the Holocaust
But now Israel is perpetrating a Holocaust

[overlord337645]

i did not say it was ok but i said its the best of two bad options either isreal will be wiped out and hamas will sit in the hospitals calling it acts of terror or isreal will take offensive action. with any war there is casualties its just sad that hamas has so little respect for human lives other then there own

[Darklydarkened]

You do realise Israel is literally usurping Palestinian land in West Bank, giving them zero rights, they're keeping population of Gaza under apartheid, they are deprived of right to move, right to trade, right to have any sort of freedom, they are currently being starved by Israel

And this isn't new, this is going on for near 60 years!

What sort of response you expect from Palestinians? Of course they're going to violently react

October 7th, was completely justified and IDF is a nazi terror group

[overlord337645]

@Darklydarkened two wrongs do not make a right whether right or wrong you just proved neither one is clean or devoid of the horrors left behind

[Darklydarkened]

I don't give a flying fuck about wrongs or rights.

How do you think an apartheid is to be retalliated by the way? It's easy for us to speak about morality when it comes very effortless

[overlord337645]

@Darklydarkened so what your saying then is you dont care because isreal is doing bad meaning hamas is expempt from all the bad stuff they do

[Darklydarkened]

Hamas is a terroris organisation

But they don't really have an alternative way, what they do is morally justified.

Because Israel's barbarity, giving moral justification for it.

I'll not be afraid to say that because it is in Western mainstream mindset to think Jews have a licence to be nazis

[overlord337645]

@Darklydarkened then by your logic every person in war is a terroist cause they all kill people to win war dont respond right away just let that sink in for a moment

[Asker]

The point I'm making is there is a David and Goliath situation

For years Israel has overstepped the mark in the settlements with settlers with guns supported by Israeli soldiers with guns against civilians who are not allowed to have guns. So defenceless families had land taken from them. The October 7 was retaliation to that.

Now Goliath is dropping bombs from the sky on a concentration camp of people living in tents. Hospitals are targeted. Over 100,000 were killed
In comparison to 2000 on October 7

That's a 50x disproportion

What Israel is doing is not gaining Israel any friends. In fact it results in crazy killings like what happened in Washington DC

[Darklydarkened]

Are you hearing yourself? You think what Israel is doing for the last 50 years is just "war"?

What the fuck kind of a retard you are?

[overlord337645]

@Darklydarkened your point is good darkly so lemme ask you what would you have isreal do

[overlord337645]

would you have them surrender?

[Asker]

Israel could show mercy

[Darklydarkened]

Stop the genocide, stop forcing people out their homes to give it to jewish newcomers

Stop killing babies, end the apartheid, act like human beings not derranged nazis

It's not that hard

Israel is a terrorist state and they're receiving terror in exchange

It's not like anyone can talk sense into them at this point

[overlord337645]

@Darklydarkened ok then what because your right they definitely can so what do you propose after cause lets face it hamas is not a pushover

[Darklydarkened]

You do realise Israel's actions give justification to whatever Hamas does, right?

Like, they can't even complain about Israeli civilians being shot dead in the streets because that's literally what they're doing for decades.

[overlord337645]

@Darklydarkened i dont fully agree with either side but the people of isreal are Gods chosen people I do not think this justifies what they do but I also know they can't sit on there backsides all day and wait for hamas to stop shooting at them

[overlord337645]

I do think however this is a strategy to get hamas to back down if hamas really is so great they would cede to isreal so there people will not starve its that simple

[Asker]

A number of things being said
OL said Hamas should stop to save the people... So you admit the reason Israel is murdering civilians is to turn the people against Hamas
Like twist the arm of Hamas
Which is wrong

[Asker]

Will phrased Darkly
Israel cannot complain about any evil done to it because what they are doing in Gaza
The level of cruelty
Unmatched
Nothing anywhere can match that

[Darklydarkened]

There is no god and anyone who thinks any group gets to have exceptionalism because of a religious doctrine can shut the fuck up

[overlord337645]

@Darklydarkened i did not say that what i said was they are being persecuted and responding to it and that they are Gods chosen people so mabie God will help solve things

[overlord337645]

two wrongs do not make a right i cannot convince you of israels innocence nor should i try but i will say that hamas has options to save those people the fact that they dont says they are no better than israel

[overlord337645]

i also never said they are twisting anyones arm i am simply saying that war is war israel is offering a chance for peace with hamas by saying surrender and this goes away hamas dosent want to do so and therefore more people die in the cross fire if you really think about it in depth the fact that hamas can't be the bigger organization is telling it shows there ideals are no better than israels I am not condoneing what either one does but I am makeing a point that point being how can you defend someone who is a known terror group simply because you belive another terror group is fighting them when in reality you should be condemming both

[Asker]

Condemn Israel then

[overlord337645]

you have a point but what you need to ask here is what is the cause of this war i mean if you push a dog far enough muchless a country it will fight back i dont agree with tactics but what do you expect hamas is pushing israel and everyone else is collateral hamas has the power to end it and if they dont want to then im sorry to say the cost of war is death its not pretty its not good but there is no other way to determine stuff right now and truthfully i do not know how either side will win I just know that neither side is completely right

[Darklydarkened]

You do realise, that Israel is the one provoking war, right?

Like, they are constantly invading, abusing, murdering, torturing?

Are you actually retarded?

[overlord337645]

@Darklydarkened i respect your view but i dont respect your language choice so if your gonna disagree fine just please be respectful about it like im trying to be with your view after all we all have beating hearts no matter how different we are

[Asker]

9 children of two doctors
All siblings killed today on Khan younis
Father was injured
Mother was working tending to wounded in the hospital
One son survived from 10 siblings

[overlord337645]

earlier I don't know if it was you or not but someone said that hideing behind religion and higher beings to justify this all is not ok so i have to wonder why is hamas wageing this war then because last i checked they both claim the same holy land and isreal is defending what they belive to be theirs im sorry but thats just crazy plain crazy

[Darklydarkened]

I have zero respect to nazis

[Asker]

Enough is enough
Killing children won't bring the hostages back
The blood thirst of Israel must have a limit?
International community must step up

[overlord337645]

they might they might not all i know is the people in charge dont seem to share the same ideas you do

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately Israel will never get punished. Many countries agree with Israel's actions. Most people in Gaza are Muslim and the world doesn't care about Muslims.
Israel is a wealthy and powerful country so it will always be forgiven and supported.
I believe their goal is to kill all Palestinians and make Gaza part of Israel's territory.

[Asker]

I think you're right
The entire episode suits Israel
They get to take over that piece of land
Or real estate like Trump would say
It's horrendous
That the world can turn a blind eye to the killing, bombing, of babies
Off the scale
It's the worst human created humanitarian disaster I've witnessed in my 50+ years

[Asker]

Killing babies is creating more enemies for Israel instead of reducing them

Hopefully now France, Uk and Canada are added to Israel's list of enemies👍

[Darklydarkened]

Because they're nazis who want to murder entire population of Gaza and know it well enough that nobody will do a thing so long as USA is in their side

[Asker]

Well said Darkly

These nut cases on here this justify the mass murder of women, children and babies because is the retaliation of October 7 which was triggered by Israeli aggression over many years

They seem quietened down slightly this week?

Because UK France Canada and EU all threatening sanctions against Israel
Finally

[Darklydarkened]

Their defence minister or something was claiming they will never bow down to antisemitism ffs

[Asker]

Israel is using murder to try to achieve political gains

[exitseven]

Israel understands that Hamas will always want to destroy them. The only way to insure their survival is to eradicate them.

[Aldan1609]

Hate

[Asker]

Seems to be only starting

Ground troops going in

[Asker]

Finally Keir Starter standing up to the despicable behavior of Israel

In this world it's almost impossible to say something bad about Israel without being called antisemitic
But that's no reason not to stand up for what's right
Israeli animals

[Asker]

Finally EU
UK
France
Canada
Standing up to Israel👍