Why is Israel always at it with Palestine?

Question

Can't both sides try to get along?

liel443 · Accepted Answer

Obviously it's very very complicated, but I'll try to simplify it the best I can.

Israel were evicting a few Palestinian families from their home. Not arbitrarily, not without reason. There is a reason. Is it a good enough reason? It's debatable. Literally, the Israeli supreme court as well as other formal bodies of legal authority are debating this.
What is the reason? I don't know, but if you look it up somewhere keep in mind there's a good chance you're hearing half the story.
Anyway, Arabs in Israel started violent riots, throwing rocks (big rocks, not stones, rocks that can kill) at police officers and at Jewish civilians. Police have used force in return, naturally. Since there was acts of violence across the country at Jewish civilians (lynching and attempts of lynching) some Israeli Jews, now angry, have made acts of violence of their own, so there are lynching of Arabs by Jews as well.
Hammas, the terror organization who was democratically voted to rule Gaza, despite, or perhaps because of having extermination of the Jews in their political platform, have started shooting missiles at Israel. So now Israeli cities are subjected to bombing. Naturally, the Israeli Defense Forces, as its title suggests, defended Israel by striking back at Hammas. Naturally, there have been a lot of casualties in Gaza as a result.

Basically, if you're an Arab living in Israel, you're safe as long as you don't go and attack people on the streets. And if you do decide to attack an Israeli officer, your chances of getting out of it alive are better than if you attacked an American officer, and I'm guessing also if you attacked an officer of any well adjusted country, but to be honest I only really know Israel and the US, so I don't want to talk about what I told understand.
If you're an Arab living in Gaza your situation is tricker. Yeah, you'd be safe if the ruling party decides not to bomb cities of a neighboring country with an army that can ground your whole area, but you don't really control what Hammas does. I mentioned they won democratically, well... That was in 2006, and since then they didn't have elections. You'd be paying off debt your crazy regime got you in.

Of course, the situation is way way way more complicated than that, and in any case you shouldn't rely on stranger from the internet about it because there's A LOT of misinformation out there. Palestinians straight up lie about it. Jew sources, the official ones anyway, are very unlikely to actually lie, but by telling half of story you can give a very inaccurate image of what's going on, like how at first I said Hammas was democratically elected and only later revealed it was 15 years ago and that they haven't had an election since.
So you just need to be very careful and doubt everything you read or hear about it.

Becky316 · Accepted Answer

Israel has tried, it's just hard to get along with those people who are actively trying to kill you. It's like saying, let's be friends to the person who has a knife in their hands trying to stab you

tartaarsaus · Accepted Answer

First of all, Hamas just wants Israel to cease to exist. There’s no point in trying to make peace with them because it’s not happening.

More fundamentally, the parties are diametrically opposed on what should happen to Palestinians outside the area, what should happen to Jerusalem, what should happen in terms of the settlements, whether Israel should retain a military presence in the West Bank.

Those are super fundamental problems that are basically impossible to overcome and neither side has any reason to give in on any of those demands.

Also, populations on both sides don’t want peace with the other if it means not getting all of their demands. Then you also have plenty of people on either side who don’t want the other to exist.

It’s easy to say kumbaya and that they should just get along. But it is a complex geopolitical issue with a lot of different painpoints that prevent two states forming, and those points are basically impossible to overcome.

007kingifrit · Accepted Answer

2 sides want opposite things. there is no "getting along". they must fight until 1 is victorious and the other is so shattered they are either lost as a people to history or their will to fight is broken by incredible suffering.

general sherman once said it was unethical to remove the cruelty from war because war would then drag on forever. Yet that is exactly what we have done in modern warfare. we try to stop the fighting before the real brutality begins but in so doing we prevent any conflict from reaching a real conclusion.

nightdrot · Answer

Insofar as the current Mideast situation is concerned, the conflict was born when under the Balfour Declaration of 1917, the British - then the imperial power in the region - made what is today Israel a homeland for the Jews. This being affirmed by the United Nations Organization after World War II.

As to who may stake an ultimate claim, under international law, the area was divided into two states, but the Arab states rejected this and attacked. In the end, the attack failed and the whole area became Israel and the Arabs who lived in the region considered themselves to be occupied.

As to who has the historic claim, it is lost in the mists of time. Strictly speaking the Jews arrived in the region well before the Arabs. The Arabs not arriving in the Middle East until 636 AD - long after the Jews had settled the region. The Jews themselves having not been native to the region but having arrived from the Semitic tribes of Mesopotamia in about the 2nd millennium BC.

Suffice to say, a problem with that historic an ancestry is not apt to be settled by appeals to the historical record, much of which is obscured in the mists of time. The twist being that a PALESTINIAN people - as opposed to more generic Arab peoples - is a recent invention. Born primarily in the 20th century as an outgrowth of - in another irony - European imperialism.

Thus, Palestinian national identity is relatively thin gruel and why, in fact, it has become less of a force in the Middle East. Indeed, it is why the Palestinian cause is now led mostly by pan-Islamist forces - see also HAMAS. Pan-Islam being a forced that defines identity not in national terms but in religious ones.

The further irony being that after the Palestinian nationalists supported Iraq against Kuwait in the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf War, the Arab states began to abandon the Palestinian cause. Such today that the principle benefactor of the Sunni Muslim Palestinian Arabs is Shiite Muslim Persian Iran.

Thus today, the current fireworks in the Middle East is more deceptive than not. The Palestinian cause - as a nationalist cause - is largely dead. Being more akin to a civil rights movement than a nationalist cause. The Arab states have largely abandon it in favor of peace with Israel as a counterweight to Iran.

The Palestinians, never having had a deep sense of national identity, are recurring to a more general sense of Arab and Muslim identity. In this the Iranians are backing them largely as a way to pressure their Arab rivals - particularly Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan, the latter two of which already have peace treaties with Israel.

Suffice to add that if Saudi Arabia - keeper of the Muslim Holy Cities of Mecca and Medina - were to make peace with Israel, it would likely split the Muslim world wide open. Particularly along the Sunni/Shiite divide but even within Sunni Islam.

As it is Saudi-Israeli ties are actually quite good as both strongly oppose Iran. The Saudis however being understandably reluctant to formalize those relations in a peace treaty, though negotiations are ongoing. It is these negotiations against which the current exchange of fire between Israel and HAMAS in the Palestinian Gaza Strip is aimed at disrupting.

In a nutshell, this is less about Palestinian national identity - which is fading - than it is about Iran's conflict with the Sunni Arab world. The predominantly Sunni Muslim Arab Palestinians finding themselves in an alliance of convenience with Iran, and in effect being Iran's catspaw. It being added that unless things get wildly out of hand, the Arabs are apt to sit on their hands and let Israel and Iran settle the matter over the Palestinian's heads.

Red_Arrow · Answer

Before WWII, Israel did not exist. Nazis rounding up Jews and shipping them to camps then killing them made it impossible for Jews to live peacefully in many countries. The UN took a part of Gaza and set it aside for the Jews to have their own country. The land they took was mostly populated by nomads, but many Palestinians did have permanent homes there, and there was no major country claiming ownership of the area. Many Palestinians had their homes taken and given to Jews. So it was good that Jews now had a home, but bad that Palestinians were displaced. Add to that, Jerusalem was (and is) in Israel but is an important part of the religions of both peoples. So Jerusalem was divided to give control over parts to both religions. As is often the case, compromise satisfies neither side, and there have been battles ever since. Things really blew up when Trump moved our embassy to Jerusalem and claimed Israel had ownership of the area, basically shoving Muslims away from their holy sites. And after that he sided with Netanyahu when Netanyahu was bombing the hell out of the Palestinians. Things were far from good before Trump, but he is a major reason for the severity of the situation. Now Palestinians are crowding into shelters to avoid the vicious shelling, causing the spread of the dangerous covid variants. Add to that, the outside medical organizations are pulling their personnel for safety reasons.
Netanyahu is perpetuating the war in order to take over all of Palestine, while many Israelis would prefer peace.
Don't know how to create peace there, but Netanyahu and Trump are the reasons it is so violent now.

Avicenna · Answer

Well, when heavily-armed Hamas (which uses aid money from the EU to buy and develop weapons rather than take care of its people) starts shooting rockets at your civilian areas (probably from their own civilian neighborhoods), you have to respond.

Imagine if people in Rock Hill decided to shoot hundreds of rockets into NC at you because they hate you and want to kill you. That's what Israel has to endure.

CaliDad · Answer

Imagine your neighbor decided to tear down the fence and start using your back yard for their cookouts and parties... would you fight them over it? During the reconstruction of Europe and the Middle East Post-WWII western nations led by the US decided that jews needed to go somewhere other than Germany. So they carved out a small nation from everyone else's backyard. Question answered?

PaynefulPleasures · Answer

This was in todays news

Brokenheartedx · Answer

I feel sorry for palestinians, as a country that has had its own culture removed its hard not to sympathise with them, but that's where it ends. I don't agree with either the senseless blood shed, they need to come to an agreement and isreal needs to get its shit together as the far more richer and powerful of the 2. It's just looking like bully boy tactics and nobody likes bullies.

jennifer_bloom · Answer

I think people are motivated by a fear of victimization and a desire for revenge for past hurts, and also to a lesser degree by a desire to support the maintenance or exaltation of their religion above others, I try not to judge anybody on either side of the fight.

NatalieKeller95 · Answer

how would you feel if a bunch of people showed up to your neighborhood, and started causing violence, that's what the palestinians are doing, the palestinians are not native to the levant, the Jewish people since time immemorial lived in Israel until the diaspora, the arabs moved into that area, so they are the illegal squatters not the israelis

KostasKouvalis · Answer

Because Muslims can't get along with ANYONE! Everywhere they go they cause problems. Because their idea of peace is submitting to their shitty religion.

Lebanon was the bread basket of the Middle East before they started taking Palestinians.

Even Saudi doesn't support them anymore. The only allies they have left are Iran and Democrats

lolman95 · Answer

Geo politics are not that simple. A lot of different organizations get involved, a lot of interests build up and foreign influences come in to interfere. Some will probably profit off of such conflict. Group hugs are not really an option which is unfortunate for people who fall victim to these conflicts.

najekim · Answer

I asked a Palestinian friend of mine that many centuries ago and he response was that the Palestinians were on the land long before the Jewish settlers arrived and pushed them out. Sorta like what the the European settlers did to the Native Americans when they arrived.

Gravit1 · Answer

Genesis 25:23
God told her, Two nations are in your womb, two peoples butting heads while still in your body. One people will overpower the other, and the older will serve the younger.

There have been to break away points in the Middle East, once with Ishmael and secondly with Esau. Esau married into Ismael's family and His descendants make up the peoples non Israeli.

Caramelpie · Answer

Because they’re homeless and they keep wanting to take something that isn’t theirs in the first place. They are simply murderers. Killing innocent kids, women and sick elderlies. Hopefully soon they will burn in hell for all the crimes they committed.

TheBigGuy9 · Answer

They weren’t under Trump. He was brokering Peace. I find it odd that gas shortages and bombs happened near each other. Then there is this:

ShatteredMusic · Answer

It’s sad to see how the media is only portraying one side of the story. Poor kids are being beaten and killed. I hope peace comes out of this. That’s all I’m saying

lilyanony1 · Answer

Power, boys and their toys, dominance, arrogance. Pride and ego. One day when it's too late they'll realise it was a waste of good time.

goaded · Answer

"Why can't the Jews and the Arabs just sit down together and settle this like good Christians?" ~Warren Austin, U. S. Ambassador to the United Nations 1948 The answer is in the question!

Rangers · Answer

Because Palestine has the extermination of all Jewish people in their official charter and have been trying to steal their land for centuries. Israelis need to start using their nuclear arsenal already and stop wasting time

Feelicks · Answer

You try getting along with people subjecting you to genocide. I don't condone violence though, the Palestinians should probably seek refugee status and just abandon the Gaza strip at this point.

Jaylaaa2000 · Answer

No... they can't.  That's exactly why they always at it

AlysonM · Answer

"Getting along" might not work.. These are two sovereign states with different philosophies, religions and political ideologies..

NathanDavis · Answer

Jared Kushner already try this idea, it did not work, they didn't just get along.

GoodGuyBreakingBad · Answer

I saw that on TV I don't know what's wrong wish I had an answer?

mrkdvsn · Answer

Good question. And let's also ask why Israel deliberately bombed the USS Liberty back in 1967, and blamed it on Egypt. Lynden B Johnson had his nasty hands ALL OVER this evil mess.

JamieLoves · Answer

The Palies Fuck’n Attacked Israel! You pathetic excuse for an arab !!!

zagor · Answer

They both claim the same land. Until we can add additional dimensions, that is a problem.

drexel420 · Answer

No Palestine thinks Jerusalem is theirs not Israel's so yeah God is not great, religion ruins everything

ItsMeItsMe1989 · Answer

Look it up, but basically... it's because of the U. S., and prophecies in the evangelical Christian religion

CaptainSmartass · Answer

Because they really hate each other. It's like Belfast on steroids. Simples...

J9inva · Answer

Because hamas, backed by iran is firing rockets into Israel from palestine.

V12NI · Answer

That's what happens when different cultures live in same territory

Coulis · Answer

Are you serious with this question?

OddBeMe · Answer

Religion. Both sides want unconditional control of Jerusalem for petty religious reasons.

JesseJayNeak · Answer

They've been enemies since the dawn of times. It's difficult for them to make up

effiex · Answer

Our hearts and prayers are with israelis

Agape93 · Answer

Because they’re both petty

Pete671 · Answer

Because Israelis are nazis,

Everglow5 · Answer

I don't know wish I knew

Alexandrubaschet08 · Answer

History have a diferent opinion. So, no.

Redstang88 · Answer

Gotta love religion 🤷‍♂️

g0dof_GaG · Answer

You’re not very bright are you?

Twalli · Answer

Some do, most don't want to

msc545 · Answer

They dislike Arabs and want the land.

Gwenhwyfar · Answer

Very good question

NoManTwo · Answer

Who the fuck cares?

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