Why are MAGA faithfuls burning their MAGA hats over the Epstein list issue?

[Anonymous]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/videos-maga-voters-burning-hats-231719217.html

[Anonymous]

Some of the cultmembers have finally learned how to think for themselves and are figuring out Donald is a pathological liar. Will enough of them figure it out? It's just a small number so far but he is melting down quite quickly. All his usual lame excuses aren't working. The list "doesn't exist", it was "written by Obama", "it's a hoax". Those are the typical lies MAGA automatically repeat with no thought. The spell is starting to break.

[Tamera952]

Are you really asking this? Isn’t it obvious? Some of the MAGATARDS are experiencing an ontological shock that the dear leader is actually a decrepit old nasty perv!! Which of course is like the biggest DUH!! Where have ya been? Of course OrangeTurd is a liar and a perv, AND BFFs with Epstein, DUH!!!

[emeraldsaphire]

Probably because it's a symbolic issue. Trump campaigned on draining the swamp. And to many the systemic predication of minors was the epitome of the swamp. Trump gave his word he'd drop the list. And now he's covering for the swamp. It's betrayal

[sawno]

This, we all know it exposes the corruption and he made that promise. He could at minimum have the decency to come up with a believable lie.

[Syntosi]

A lot of MAGA supporters were believers in various conspiracy theories surrounding the corruption in the elites that can basically be simplified into "global satanic conspiracy". One world government, lizard people, jewish shadow governments, whatever really.

The belief itself was not really unified as such but most had a common intersection, Epstein being involved as a central figure. As such trying to sweep Epstein under the rug is not really possible because it both predates their support of Trump but also feeds into the conspiracy theory that whatever corruption they believe in finally getting to Trump to rationalize why Trump wants to distance himself from it or otherwise make it go away.

[sawno]

That's such a cartoonish version.

[Syntosi]

@sawno Yes, but its still true.

[Lliam]

@Syntosi. Sure, One World Government, and Jewish influence are "conspiracy theories". LOL.

[sawno]

Maybe for a small subset of david icke followers. Most say the lizard people thing as a joke.
There is a shared belief of a globalist power structure where there is top down effectively fascistic control by the big governments and big banking who probably collude. But what comes after we don't agree on. I don't believe in reptiles or a Jewish conspiracy theory for example. I do believe the UN to be setup as a world government in the making, and there is a small hint of satanism with its connection to Lucis Trust. But I don't see the UN as inherently satanic. I do think there will be mixes of jews or satanists in all layers, but I never saw that as the correlating factor or a corner stone. To me that whole side of it is to speculative.

[Syntosi]

@sawno meet @Lliam

But seriously though, from my point of view your belief in the UN becoming a one world government is just as crazy as the lizardmen conspiracy theory and the satanic part is even crazier considering I dont believe in the supernatural where as aliens at least probably exists. This is somewhat of a tangent however, point is that MAGA people can rarely agree on exactly what flavor of global conspiracy theory they believe in but there are some unifying points between them that people like Trump has exploited.

[sawno]

Why is the UN becoming a world government crazy to you? Do you know they have lawyers in most countries? Do you know the WHO (Which is a UN organization) is now in charge of health policy in part in all countries that signed the treaty? Do you know there are UN branded army vehicles?

Just because the UN has limited power does not mean its not slowly being given more power. Its a slow boil. If it will be successful in this is to be seen, it could collapse before it ever gets there and nations may be stubborn.

As for the satanic thing, your coming at it from the wrong angle. Its irrelevant if the supernatural exists. Satanism as an idea exists and has believers. Like I said I don't think its a satanic conspiracy, but if your going to argue that positions of power are never filled by an ideology that seeks out power i'd find that a weak argument.

I actually gave you a very concrete example of what I did see which is Lucis Trust, formerly known as Lucifer (Satan) Publishing Company. They influence the UN which you can see here : https://www.lucistrust.org/about_us/support_un but that is where my tangible lead ends which is why I lean more towards them having limited influence.

[Syntosi]

@sawno Its not about the UN being weak or limited in some way, its about its structure and purpose. To very much oversimplify the subject you can consider the UN to be a project that USA started as a scheme to ensure and maintain its position as the worlds super power.

Things like charity was meant to spread US influence around the world and maintain the current world order where USA is at the top. I know how this wording might feed into a lot of peoples conspiratorial thinking but I do not mean this as maintaining world domination or whatever, more like trying to prevent the current Jenga tower from collapsing because USA does not know if they will remain a super power the next time the world rearranges itself.

The UN also serves additional purposes such as allowing USA to apply pressure to hostile countries like China and Russia for example constructing moral high-grounds or whatever. If you can imagine something that you can gain through soft power projection then the UN probably does it to some degree.

What the UN does not do however is usurp power and authority from states. The UN is made so that one country can try influence another, not so the organization can influence a country. There is a difference and also why the UN will always be a disorganized mess by design.

[sawno]

"What the UN does not do however is usurp power and authority from states." I don't agree, its slowly doing this with binding treaty's.

[Syntosi]

@sawno I have not seen a single example of the UN doing this and quite frankly I dont even know how they would go about doing so in a theoretical sense.

[exitseven]

It is not really what they think. His polling numbers have actually gone up a little.

[lightbulb27]

It's a good show of defiance. I know left people can't understand this because they are a bunch of left ducks, like ducks that follow their leader. if one falls out of line, they are eaten/destroyed. So left people stay in line, like the borg in star trek.

right people can complain and debate against one another, and in this case, I think they are right to challenge the govt to be open. It will help perserve the right staying in power if they succeed.

[Dongie]

😅 so true 27!

[Chazmatazz269]

Publishing the Epstein files would have been the end all, be all proof that Drumpf was the maverick that would drain the swamp at all costs.
His relinquishing is proof that anyone can be manipulated once they take office.
It might also be the mark that finally wakes people up to the farce of our “democracy”.
If it is, it will all be worth it.

[Dongie]

He's got nothing to lose they say. No more elections for him. But he's been knicked once by a bullet and he's probably been threatened along with the life of his youngest son.

[BonzoInBitburg]

It doesn't mean they are going to switch parties. They are the ones that aren't blindly following Trump but instead expect better from their party.

[Dongie]

Are they? I've not heard this one. It could just be all those democrats who voted for DJT rather than for that stone cold idiot that hasn't a clue how to run a Monopoly game let alone the country. He's been in office 6 months tomorrow. It takes a little more time than this to fix all of Bu-Bidens fuck-ups!!

[Lliam]

I have a feeling he's covering for Israel. Epstein and Maxwell were operatives.
People are starting to wake up. And Trump's sudden, vehement opposition to revealing the Epstein files looks like an admission to his corruption.

[sawno]

Trump saying he doesn't want their support surely would have an impact.

[Plates9741]

He campaigned on releasing the files. He won't release them. Now they're pissed. And they may have realized that their dear leader is actually a pedophile.

[seeyounexttuesday]

I know this is something wild for leftists to understand, but people have principles. They’re not beholden to party like the dems.

[DrPepper12]

Because the GOP MAGA signal is being jammed by MAGA influencers

[kavakava]

Will Crockett or AOC be the deep state's next puppet?

[AngryCarl2]

Trump sold them a conspiracy theory. Now he's made himself part of the conspiracy.

[Dargil]

Are they?

[Dongie]

How's it hanging young man?

[Dargil]

@Dongie Loooooow.

[Dongie]

Low and easy, 'atsa time!

[beefcakebradybatson]

WHO KNOWS?