Why do women hate men who help them and want the best for them?

[Filthy_Immigrant]

I never seen a woman ever appreciate a man's help in my life. women literally hold anger, grudge and resentment toward men who have help them out in their lives but will always love and attach themselves to the ment who abuse them.

my mom is a prime example. she had her second child (my second oldest brother) with an alcoholic abusive loser who used to abuse her and even threw her out in the streets with my two older brothers.

this was where my father found her. he was a lawyer and took her in, wifed her up, gave her and my brothers a home but then she decided to break up with him months after I was born. after that she always held the most anger and resentment towards my father despite him giving her the hand that everyone refuse to give her.

throughout my childhood she would always gaslight and emotionally manipulate me into believing that my father was at fault for their breakup, that he was the abusive one and that she was the poor little victim of the soap opera.

therefore I always wondered, is this a female behaviour? do all women not just bite but always hate the hand that feeds them while loving and licking the one that abuses them?

[CalmUntilAbused]

Okay, let me start with a little jest - it's clear that Your mother made a significant impression on You, since You are very feminine, nay, feminist in Your thinking. You had a bad experience with Your mother and possibly a few other women, and therefore You believe all women are evil. This is no different from the feminist logic of "I had a bad experience with a man, therefore all men are evil (and deserve to die)".

In all seriousness though, You did not explicitly claim that all women were evil (though You did mention You never met a woman who would not be evil). Now... Why are some (most) women like what You described? Basically, it's because they can. The entirety of law is set up for them to be able to take male support for granted (even if they live alone, the men in the workforce still pay for their social welfare benefits - that's literally the reason why MGTOW came to be). Now... If men will help women no matter their attitude (willingly or not)... They can allow themselves to lower their standards. They can treat men like trash and still receive their support. That's all there is to it. It's basically the sin of sloth. If they do not have to do something, they do not do it. And it does not help that women are also biologically hardwired to act like victims/damsels in distress in order to attract positive male attention - that might explain Your mother's vile claims against Your father.

Now, since Your take is kind of bitter and does kind of paint a picture where all women are evil - that's absolutely not the case. If You want some proof of that, simply look up Shoe0nHead on YouTube and watch either Her own videos or the videos of Her VTuber Reactors. Those women do value men who help them and women in general (by the way, Shoe0nHead is literally a socialist, which basically means even a socialist might not succumb to the sin of sloth). However, it does take... a certain level of awareness, as well as mental fortitude, for women to care about men who help them, that's why most women hit with the anti-male feminist propaganda succumb to it and either don't care about or actively hate men who help them. It might be worth to note that most of those women I know about who are outspoken about their support of men define themselves as current or former "girlfailures" - basically, if You meet a bossy woman, You can safely assume she's one of the horrible ones.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

so you call me "feminine" then used random women on Youtube (who are most likely posers for clout) as your evidence that I'm wrong. if this is not hypocrisy and contradiction then I dont know what is

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Filthy_Immigrant Okay... Not sure if it's a joke, just like the first part of my response, but if You are serious, You might have a problem understanding others. First of all, that first part was a joke (though given how emotional You are being with the response - unless Your response is a joke as well - it's actually an unfunny joke).

You know... If You think about my answer for a few minutes, You'll find out it has an entire section answering the question "why are most women like this". The innocent little joke at beginning is barely relevant at this point. Also... What I wish to prove to You with those examples I gave You is that it is not true that all women are evil. I do admit I did make one mistake with this response, though. It does not change much, since having good women serve as proof that not all women are evil is literally the only way to prove this kind of statement. However, I did fail to mention that all those women are acrually denounced as followers of a certain Austrian painter for their pro-men takes and some even receive death threats. While I am not naive enough to believe they are making absolutely no money due to voicing these takes (which is likely Your issue with my response), I do believe it would be insane of them to risk death (after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, You should know full well that the man-hating left is very much capable of killing those who disagree with them) for some bonus money if they did not believe in these takes at least a little bit. Therefore, me using good women online (who literally amount for the majority of good women I know about if I don't count the women in my family) as a proof that not all women are evil is simply natural.

Now... Please allow me to reiterate my joke from earlier - You are quite feminine in Your way of thinking if You get triggered by literally the least important parts of my answer and those emotions disable You from understanding my general point. 😀

[CalmUntilAbused]

"most of those women"*

actually*

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Charlie Kirk was assassinated because he literally when out and exposing and questioning our corrupted system and society. not because he simply made videos on Youtube that the left doesn't like.

assuming you really are a MGTOW then I'm surprised you never heard of the term "pick me girls" which are literally female versions of simps.

with that said those women you use as example could simply again be "pick me girls" looking for clout on social media but act no different than typical western stuckups in real life.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Filthy_Immigrant I am not an MGTOW, but I am familiar with the movement. I even do support their diagnosis of the Western societies, it's just that I do not agree with their prescriptions. Dying alone is not the solution. If anything, if the evil masterminds behind the current state of our societies want us men dead, that's one more reason to survive, find partners and have kids, taking the fight against those freaks to the next generation.

Now... I do agree with Your diagnosis of why Charlie Kirk was murdered. What I do not agree with is that those women I brought up are not also doing the same as He was doing. In fact, the VTubing community is literally well-known for exposing that same corrupted system and society. Their very existence and success is proof enough of the corruption. If they are outright supportive of men on top of this, I believe there is a reason to trust them, especially if they receive death threats over it. You might not be familiar enough with this community, but BlueSky freaks literally made a hitlist of VTubers they want "cancelled". Coming from Poland, knowing my history and realizing that the BlueSky freaks might be declaratively anti-Austrian painter followers (while also calling everyone they disagree with an Austrian painter follower), but the way they behave is literally the way of those very Austrian painter followers, I happen to know that such hitlists were actually used by the Austrian painter followers - to kill everyone, including civilians, who was considered a high-value target for rebellling against Germany in the past when Germany invaded Poland in 1939. Therefore, I do believe this VTuber hitlist to be a direct death threat towards these VTubers, and ever since the Charlie Kirk assassination it is widely known a death threat from the left wing is never an empty threat.

[CalmUntilAbused]

Now... While I am very much familiar with the term "pick me girls" (notably, it's probably used more by hateful feminists against people like Shoe0nHead and these VTubers than by the MGTOW at this point), in the light of the evidence I gathered (and possibly failed to present in a convincing enough manner for You), I do not believe either Shoe0nHead or those VTuber reactors of Hers to be "pick me girls". Far too much is on the line for them to voice pro-men takes without actually believing in them. I do understand why You might be jaded and distrustful, I literally flirted with the MGTOW movement myself in the past, but I am no longer convinced this outrageous self-sacrifice is necessary to reform the society and I'm literally trying to spread this gospel to everyone I can reach, including You.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

yeah I get, you're still a blue piller and you want to cling on to the believes that Disney movies and the system programmed you to believe and I respect that because lets be honest the red pill is not for everyone.

till then I really hope you dont find out things the hard way at the point of no return which is usually when your wives divorce rapes you and you lose it all including the children you had with her if you decide to start a family.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Filthy_Immigrant Now... I do appreciate Your attempt to be kind about it, therefore I shall respond in kind.

First of all, if You are equating the Red Pill to the MGTOW, You are the one mistaken here. While the MGTOW movement does get a lot of inspiration from the Red Pill, it goes much further in its ideas. Honestly, it's basically mental Black Pill. While the Black Pill focuses on several aspects of appearance that make it "over" for some men (and it might even be correct for a very limited group of men), the MGTOW focuses on a supposedly absolute degradation of the society that makes it inherently and immutably hostile to men. Taken with a grain of salt, this approach actually makes sense - it definitely is the average male experience these days. However, examples exist that falsify the absolute and immutable character of the society's degradation.

[CalmUntilAbused]

That's where the MGTOW movement differs from the Red Pill community. The MGTOW movement chooses to ignore these counterexamples or consider them "not enough to change the bigger picture", while the Red Pill analyzes them and attempts to form a strategy to form stable and mutually satisfying relationships between men and women even in those dark (though not pitch black, as the MGTOW movement would have it) times.

Now, obviously, a huge part of the Red Pill trick is to pick women who were not transformed into man-eating monsters by the evil masterminds behind the modern society. However, even those women will have certain traits - like this resource-oriented approach to men You visualized. However, a proper woman will be aware of the fact that in order to deserve a valuable man, she must also bring some value to the table. When a Red Pilled man and such a proper woman meet, there is a high chance of a successful, long-term, stable relationship.

Now... The Red Pill is not fully acceptable for a believer, since we tend to cover the transactional nature of the relationship with ideas like responsibility and loyalty. However, to the greatest extent available for a believer, I am very much a Red Pilled man. You, sir, on the other hand, are an MGTOW movement member. It's not quite the same idea. You believe the society is doomed and are willing to doom Yourself to dying alone to bring it down, while I seek the survival of my bloodline while also doing my utmost to reform the society through alliances with other aware and responsible people, including some of the women.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

no, MGTOW is actually a variant to The Red Pill. you need to take the red pill and become aware of the feminist matrix before you go MGTOW

you in the other hand you dont sound like an original Red Piller; not the ones that actually represent the Manosphere at least. you sound more like the modern day Red Pillers that decided to invaded The Red Pill subreddit in the mid 2010s and decided to turn the community into a place for PUAs to loiter around

the fact that you are not aware of what hypergamy is and how it works speaks loud enough. lastly the fact that you still cling on to old blue pill believes that "getting married and starting a family" along with "women can still be the lovely princess I saw in Disney movies growing up" officially puts you behind the 8ball

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Filthy_Immigrant Okay, if You believe the Matrix to be actually feminist, You are still in the Matrix. The feminists are naught but Agents trying to hunt any free men down. The real masterminds are the evil elites wanting to subjugate (and largely depopulate, courtesy of driving men to suicide) men through brainwashed women.

Now... If I don't sound like a Red Pilled enough man, it might be because I'm talking to an MGTOW. The MGTOW outradicalize literally everyone except E. R. followers. As for the PUA... You really should have seen it coming - as a believer, namely a Catholic, I absolutely despise PUA. It would be enough to be a Red Pilled man to hate them, since they are using the Red Pill findings to further the corruption of the society for their own momentary gain, but as a Catholic, I believe they belong straight in hell - what they do is literally adultery on steroids.

About hypergamy... I am aware of it, but so are some women. You know, some women can do statistics, at least simple statistics, and are not completely delusional. The top 1% of attractive men cannot accomodate all the women who might wish to be their mates.

[CalmUntilAbused]

Okay, lastly, let's tackle that "Blue Pill" accusation regarding marriage and Disney princesses. The latter part is actually pretty funny. I mean, regarding that Disney comment, I was probably one of the few boys my age who were aware of how actually unhinged the Disney princesses were. I cannot think of one Disney princess I could believe would be proper wife material. Maybe Pocahontas... Maybe. If I remember the story correctly. Which is most likely not the case. Do I believe women can be wife material, though? Here, the answer is yes. Some women have not been converted into man-hating monsters yet and do value the men in their lives. Now, about the marriage... This one, You definitely should have seen coming as soon as I brought up the "for a believer" phrase in my comment. The thing is, I actually have a history on GaG of shitting on the so state-sanctioned parody of marriage. When I talk about marriage, I only mean the true, purely Catholic marriage that is frankly a pretty good test for a woman. If she agrees to it, she's most likely safe. It does not give her any of the upper hand over a man that a state-sanctioned parody of marriage would give her. Lastly, starting a family is pretty obvious if I don't want to become the last of my bloodline, which also checks out for me. Here You have it, You are welcome to try and find some fault in me again. I might actually have long-forgotten levels of fun with this little conversation.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

I never said the matrix was officially ran by feminists. I'm well aware the elites created feminism to turn women into hostile NPCs by forcing them to reject their roles as mothers and wives and chase carriers instead and to finally enforce men to stay slaving to the system they created and penalize us to the maximum if we ever try to revel.

so dont talk to me about "still being in the matrix." I'm an Oracle compared to you. you are Cypher in the other hand, a red piller who still desires to comfort to the matrix. you literally admit this yourself by not only ignoring but refusing to believe that women are hypergamist by nature.

if you really dont want to be "the last one in your bloodline" then by any means go get marry and start your family. but again dont start bitching when your wife decides to divorce rape you and raise you bloodline to be next Agents that will haunt you for the rest of your time alive

[Filthy_Immigrant]

chase careers instead*

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Filthy_Immigrant Okay, that was depressingly shallow... The first part was kind of hopeful, since You basically admitted it used to be okay when women were mothers and wives. Now, about the hypergamy... There are two leads here. One tracks back to those women who used to be mothers and wives. Were they still affilicted with hypergamy? If so, what thwarted it and made them be good mothers and wives? The same thing can be emulated these days, though with select women who did not buy into the programming You mentioned.

The second lead takes us to the idea of nature vs nurture (it kind of calls back to those past women who were mothers and wives, but in a roundabout way). You said that women are hypergamous by nature. I have no reason to deny it, it's directly connected to their instinct of sourcing the resources necessary for survival from men in the past. However, those same women were somehow perfectly capable of "settling" for any man who was capable of keeping them alive, not necessarily the strongest man in the tribe. This was (and, as I and most of the Red Pill community believes) due to the fact that while women are primarily emotional, they are not exclusively emotional. At the very least, the ones capable of survival are not. Those women were capable of understanding that a capable protector is a better mate than someone who could not care less about their survival. The way I see it, the anti-feminist women of today are the modern incarnation of the women who would pick a skilled hunter over the tribe leader.

[CalmUntilAbused]

Now, probably the most disappointing part of Your response was the one about the divorce rape, when I explicitly mentioned only accepting and believing in the true, purely Catholic marriage that allows no divorce (and therefore no divorce rape). Is this Your repressed submission to women speaking? Is this the "if the woman says so, that's how it will be done" subconscious programming within You? Well, I am free from it. It's either my way (the true, purely Catholic marriage allowing no divorce and therefore no divorce rape) or the highway.

[CalmUntilAbused]

"(and, as I and most of the Red Pill community believes, is)"*

[Filthy_Immigrant]

well I got news for you, taking the red pill is DEPRESSING because after all being expose to the TRUTH is not always comfortable.

what exactly do you think they were referring and warning you about when they spoke of "the harsh truth, this is your last chance, and there is no turning back?"

this is exactly what I was trying to get at when I told you the red pill is not for everyone. its only for those who are strong and comfortable enough to know the truth and so far you been failing at this by still clinging on to the believe that you somehow have a sweet and pure Disney princess out there waiting for you to rush in and cuddle your head in her arms.

"There are two leads here. One tracks back to those women who used to be mothers and wives. Were they still affilicted with hypergamy?"

yes, they were believe it or not. even cavewomen were hypergamist. who do you think got the most pussy in the caveman era? not the artists that stayed inside caves all day drawing Hieroglyphics. no, it was the big motherfucker who was able to to kill and dice up Mammoths, sabretooth tigers and any dinosaurs that threaten the tribe.

" those same women were somehow perfectly capable of "settling" for any man who was capable of keeping them alive, not necessarily the strongest man in the tribe."

assuming you are talking about our grandparents and before the answer is simple. those women had no choice but to play nuturing roles because back then feminism wasn't around to fuck up gender roles. people back then respected and valued traditional roles. men back then were allowed to be men while women did not have the sky high standards they have today

till then I'm not sure what is the difference between "catholic marriage" and marriage in general. I mean divorce rate is still pretty high nowadays so that must me that either people are not chosing catholic marriage or you are wrong that catholic marriage doesn't allow divorce

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Filthy_Immigrant Okay, I guess we are slowly starting to make sense of it all...

First, about the Red Pill and the "harsh truth". The "harsh truth" in the Matrix was not that You are doomed to die in vain. The "harsh truth" in the Matrix is that You've been a slave, or worse, a battery, Your whole life and You have to adjust to live independently from the Matrix. Actually, there were even humans born in the human colony, free from the the Matrix since birth. Mouse was one of those, I think. Your attitude to the Matrix, the way You describe it, would be to escape the Matrix, then exit the ship and cower in the tunnels, hiding from the Sentinels who will inevitably come for You, sooner or later. This way, You are playing straight into the Matrix hands. The Matrix wishes for all the free people to die alone and childless, so that there is no one left to take the fight to it in the next generation.

It really invokes my gag reflex (not "GaG", "gag") to adress the "Disney princesses" stuff again, but for the sake of completeness, I shall do it - the Disney princesses are not at all what You describe them as, if anything, they are a medium to infect little girls with feminism, so I would appreciate it if You gave up on trying to tie me to any adoration for those characters.

About the hypergamy in the cavemen era - well, guess what, there were multiple good hunters in those tribes, since we were literally all hunters back then, like even women and children took part in the hunt, leading the mammoth herds to the pit. So... This really does not prove hypergamy, or at the very least it proves it was highly contained (sure, if You were utterly useless, You were out of the mating pool, but otherwise You were fine).

[CalmUntilAbused]

Now... About the times where women had no choice but to play nurturing roles due to lack of feminism (those were really the good old days)... Are You implying that these days women have no choice but to be feminists? Are You implying that no one values traditional roles anymore? If anything, I have witnessed a major comeback of the traditional roles recently, with multiple women, some of whom I know personally, claiming they hate the idea of being career women, that their dream is to be housewives and caretakers! Finally, are You implying that men need the permission to be men? Now that's absurd and would get You in hot water not just with the MGTOW, but even with the mostly tolerant Red Pill community!

Lastly, let's analyze the purely Catholic marriage issue. You are correct in Your first assumption about it - people are not choosing it, since most are either non-believers or so reliant on the state they get either the state-sanctioned parody of marriage or the joint option, where You get both the true Catholic marriage and the state-sanctioned parody of marriage in a bundle (supposedly for the sake of tax benefits - that's absurd, divorce rape costs will outweigh those tax benefits many times over), with all the flaws of the latter. That's why I'm so clear about going for the true, purely Catholic marriage only (it's possible, You just have to. As for divorce in the Catholic marriage, I am positive it does not exist. Technically, there are some cases when You can void a Catholic marriage - say, if a woman acts all conservative until marriage and on the wedding night she tells You she's a feminist, You can void the marriage - however, this incurs no legal obligations for either party and is therefore unsuitable for performing the divorce rape.

[CalmUntilAbused]

"(it's possible, You just have to argue Your case to the local bishop)"*

[Filthy_Immigrant]

you literally took the matrix movie literal. in case you have not realize taking the masphere red pill is a metaphor to the movie

and no the harsh truth is that in reality women do not love me the way we men think they love. a woman's love is never unconditional unless you are providing for her. there.

and I said it once and I'll saying it again if you call yourself a red piller yet you still simp after woman, believe they are all sweet and pure and worst of all putting your hopes on marriage you are still plug in the matrix

you still grip on to that gynocentric society

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Filthy_Immigrant

Okay, so do I understand it correctly that the Red Pill You swallowed was basically a slow-acting, painless poison pill? Because if Your solution to the degradation of the society is to die childless, then that's literally what this is equivalent to. You will die happy, but the evil masterminds behind this degradation will have at least one less opponent in the next generation. Is that what You are opting for? Are You basically surrendering to evil? Now, if You are afraid to fight back, I can understand that, but that's not very masculine, You know?

Yes, a woman's love is very much conditional. A Red Pilled man's love should be conditional, as well. To be fair, that's one of the core ideas of the Red Pill. Therefore, as a Catholic, who is not supposed to leave marriage, I get the seemingly impossible task to find a woman whose conditions for love will align with mine and will stay the same throughout her whole life. This much I can admit. As a Catholic, though, I believe I will be granted all the blessing I need to accomplish this task (since it's actually part of my active resistance against evil).

[CalmUntilAbused]

Now, if I might... The acronym "SIMP" has a very specific meaning. A proper, valuable (not "pure" - that's admittedly a fantasy at this point) woman cannot be simped for, since she is by no means "mediocre". In the off chance I find one, there will be no simping involved - and if I don't find one, I will stay single. I do not condone getting married at all cost. And if I get married, it will not be the state-sanctioned (or Matrix-sanctioned, if You will) parody of marriage, but a true, pure Catholic marriage that allows no way of infiltration to the Matrix.

What I'm aiming at is to subvert the Matrix through avoiding its feminist Agents, then outnumbering and overpowering its various servants over generations. Your way to deal with the Matrix is to allow Yourself to get killed, one way or another. Take a moment to realize which one of these approaches is more anti-Matrix.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

"Okay, so do I understand it correctly that the Red Pill You swallowed was basically a slow-acting, painless poison pill?"

again the red pill is not suppose to be a magic happy pill. its was made to wake you up from the harsh and cold truth that society was hiding from us men.

"You will die happy, but the evil masterminds behind this degradation will have at least one less opponent in the next generation."

is the other way around. no shit they will, and no is not "one opponent less" its more like "one SLAVE" less. if you decide to wife a woman up and start a family you are once again still comforting to the blue pill. not only are you slaving yourself to a woman by marrying her but if you start a family then your kids are going to be the slaves once they grow up, have you thought about that? or are you that plugged in the matrix?

till then hopefully when you experience your first red pill rage in the future everything will make sense to you

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Filthy_Immigrant Okay, at this point it looks like You see the evil masterminds behind the degradation of our society as some kind of evil, but nevertheless all-powerful gods. Otherwise, I cannot understand the reason You seem to believe no matter what You do, You cannot oppose them. I mean, rebellions of those who were considered inferior by their rulers have happened in the past, and they tended to wipe the prideful overlords out. Why, in Your opinion, cannot they happen again?

As for the marriage thing again... I'm getting kind of tired of explaining it. I used to understand Your point... like a few exchanges ago. Since then, I have provided You with the knowledge of a form of marriage (the only true marriage, really) that does not make You a slave to anyone. Not the Matrix, not Your wife. If You did not believe my intel alone, You could have fact-checked it. Say whatever You want, but the Church is 100% a sworn enemy of the contemporary degradation of society, it has no reason at all to lie to You. And about the kids... Are You just mentally a slave, by any chance? You know, You can still homeschool Your kids. You can bring them up whatever way You want. Including not being slaves to the Matrix. It just feels unreal for me that You cannot imagine doing anything against the will of those evil masterminds behind the current degradation of society except die (which is actually exactly what they want You to do, if You are a man).

[CalmUntilAbused]

Oh, and stay assured I've been through a rage period myself (I suppose You could call it a Red Pill rage, since it was about the society being degraded to the point of being absolutely hostile to men). I used to literally pray for an asteroid to come and be like "that's it, you barely sentient monkeys". It's just that I later awoke to the realization that annihilation does not solve anything and there might be an actual solution to the issue. Again... Do not give up, do not position Yourself as either a slave to the Matrix or a corpse. If You truly realize what's going on, fight the hell back.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

ok I’ve let this go long enough, but you clearly need a dose of the real Red Pill — not the Disneyfied remix you're preaching through theology and outdated idealism. not because I want to berate or belittle you but just to warn you about the real threat that the red pill has warned us men about since day #1

First off, the Matrix isn’t scared of men like you. They want you. You’re the perfect controlled opposition — a man who thinks he’s free, while still operating within the very system that enslaves him. You rail against the elites, then beg for a “true Catholic marriage” to save you. Newsflash: the Church doesn’t protect you from the state. Family court doesn’t care if your marriage was blessed by God — they’ll still seize your assets, hand your kids over, and garnish your wages.

You keep talking about rebellion, legacy, and resistance. But here’s the harsh truth: you can’t rebel from inside the plantation. You’re still trying to “reform” a system that’s designed to crush men. That’s not rebellion — that’s delusion.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

You call MGTOW surrender, but I call it refusal to play a rigged game. You want to fight? Fine. But know this — you don’t fight the Matrix by crawling back to the altar hoping to find a unicorn wife. You fight by becoming anti-fragile:

You reject the conditioning.

You accept AWALT.

You invest in yourself, not a fantasy.

You're not a warrior. You're Cypher, still wanting the steak, still plugged in, hoping the woman you chose really isn’t like the rest. But deep down, you know she is. You just don’t want to face that yet.

And this whole “homeschool your kids, control the inputs” logic? That’s cute until your wife decides she’s “unhappy” and your kids are gone because the system gave her sole custody and you visitation rights every other weekend — if you’re lucky.

So go ahead. Chase your “pure” marriage. But when you’re divorced, alienated from your kids, and writing checks to a woman who despises you, remember this conversation.

The Red Pill doesn’t exist to give you hope. It exists to give you clarity. What you do with it is on you.

But don’t ever say you weren’t warned.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Filthy_Immigrant Okay, let's do it again... The MGTOW "fight" only lasts for one generation. It's far too short to achieve any success. Unless, of course, You can actually collapse the economy the way I've heard some MGTOW believe they can and reset the society this way. That would admittedly solve the issue. Death would be widespread, but I guess it would still be a solution.

As for the qualities of the woman I might choose, I am aware of the basic Red Pill AWALT. The point is, I don't think it means what You are implying it means. It simply means the hypergamy in the broadest meaning possible (which, as we have kind of agreed on, can be put under control - if it could be controlled in the past, it can be controlled nowadays). This quality, dictated by simple biology and evolutionary psychology, is what we simply have to deal with in order to keep the population alive. The population, might I add, of rebels against the Matrix. Not every woman, however, is a rabid feminist. That's where the AWALT does not apply anymore. Now, women who are not rabid feminists (even though it would seemingly personally suit them) are clearly capable of rational thought and therefore of forming a non-parasitic relationship with a man. Basically, if the man is aware (a Red Pilled man, basically) and he has enough resources, there is probably a woman out there who is willing to enter a non-parasitic long-term relationship with him (I've added the "probably" because it looks like there might be less sane women than Red Pilled men, which would mean some Red Pilled men will stay alone). Again, if I find a woman like that, I will get married. If I don't, I will not get married. That's just how simple it is.

[CalmUntilAbused]

About the kids and the divorce, I am repeatedly telling You about a form of marriage (the true, pure Catholic marriage) that does not allow divorce (it incurs no legal obligations to either party, since it is not even legally binding in any way in the eyes of the state - the state might - and should - not even know about such a marriage taking place). Can You imagine that (I hope it's not a rhetorical question)? Therefore, there very much is a way for me to bring up and homeschool my kids in a perfectly controlled environment.

One thing I think we can agree on is that the Red Pill is about clarity, not hope. That is because the Red Pill is striving to be purely rational, and hope is not a rational category. However, it gives You all the tools You need to carve a path for Yourself - and not necessarily one where You bloodline ends with You.

[CalmUntilAbused]

Again with the marriage thing, to make it as clear as I can - there is a way to get married while staying out of the legal system (out of the Matrix).

[Filthy_Immigrant]

ok, whenever you have the chance to do so go read that book Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi.

though I must warn you, its not just long it will teach you the real red pill, the one that The Manosphere expose us too, not the artificial hope that you were sold

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Filthy_Immigrant I'll make sure to read it when I have the time. I must say it's going to be mighty funny if a "Rational Male" is supposed to end His own bloodline, though. That's not very rational, You see. I might reach out to You once I've read the book.

[Ariesman81]

Best I can figure, its women's innate nature of caregiving. A man with problems needs attention which in turn feeds her natural purpose. Whether it's right or wrong I won't say. But you're right, it's definitely legit.

Grandpa called it putting her in her place. Grandma seemed to like it. Dad wouldn't do it, Mom called him a POS. Also called Grandpa abusive and Grandma weak. Either way, Grandpa and Grandma stayed married. The lesson, if you want your relationship to last... treat your woman like shit👍🏻

[Agape93]

We don't. Like for me, I don't appreciate people acting on my behalf or assuming they know what's best for me. You can want what's best for me, that's perfectly fine, it's assuming you know what that is or acting on that assumption that will get you in trouble with me.

[genericname85]

Dating someone with severe trauma can leave the one dating them who didn't have trauma before with trauma no matter if male or female. I'm not sure if this is an actual japanese saying or red pill bullshit tbh.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

is still the truth. you will be surprised how many men have taken in broken women, fixed just to end up either being divorce raped by them or even leaving them to go back to their fuckass abuser

[genericname85]

yeah and vice versa it's the same too. why do you think it's just a one way thing?

[Filthy_Immigrant]

really? I really dont recall any man in a past abusive relationship ever going back to their abusive bitch of an s/o. they either leave and move or move on. so will abuse back though

however women in the other hand I seen them not only going back to their abusive s/o but also getting emotionally attached as well. you literally hear their friends and family tell them "he's not good, leave that motherfucker already" why cry and insist that they still "love" them

[genericname85]

So you use your personal experience and projecting that? Am I understanding correctly? Cause that's not at all representative evidence that could be used to substantiate such a big argument. If that's your personal experience, I feel sorry for you. I know that must suck but you can't be claiming that this is a general truth dude. That's your unfortunate personal experience nothing more.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

dude come to America and witness the vast majority of mothers +40 whining about how their daughters having severe cases of bad boy syndrome. some of them have even cried to their daughters begging them to please leave that motherfucker but they never listen till its too late.

too late I mean when they already have a kid or 2 with these same losers and then thats when they decide to go after nice guys. but by then the nice guys dont want shit to do with them for being damaged single mothers, and to be honest I dont blame those nice guys for thinking that way

[genericname85]

it still seems like you're putting the blame kind of on one side. am i hearing that wrong?

[Filthy_Immigrant]

maybe you are or maybe you are not. but one thing for sure, my claim is based on life experience and the actions I witness among others since I started to know how relationships work

[genericname85]

yeah i get that man. but life experience is nothing xD seriously. not trying to invalidate your experience. it is what it is. but that's not representative tho. what you see through the lense of your personal experience is a microscopic fraction of the entire picture so i'd suggest not suggesting the entire picture from that little bit you can see.

[Curmudgeon]

"No good deed goes unpunished."- Clare Boothe Luce

[Filthy_Immigrant]

specially when its for a woman

[Curmudgeon]

@Filthy_Immigrant And the quoted person, a woman at that, would totally agree. She was one of the first female diplomats in USA history. (She was credited for "thinking like a man", despite being very girly).

[Bricealan]

@Filthy_Immigrant They don't want to feel that they need helping.

[Sevenpointfive]

i like the quote. it sounds right

[noohair]

Correct