What do you guys think about Alex Pretti being murdered by ICE agents?

[Bklynbadboy12]

Speak your mind but please try to be respectful of the dead

[Simslover92]

From what I saw in the video, it seemed to be a wrongful shooting. It just makes me more scared of what's to come for us as Americans.

My heart goes out to his family.

[Bklynbadboy12]

It is scarey all of these things were supposed to be in place to protect us thats not working out to well

[ariadneR]

It's horrible and absolutely disgusting. He wasn't even doing anything wrong.

I'm scared for my fellow humans.

[Bklynbadboy12]

Yes it's getting worse and worse!!!

[ariadneR]

Very sad. I'm constantly worrying about my lived ones that live in the US

[Bklynbadboy12]

Its crazy the the president isn't doing anything about it

[Dargil]

Nonsense.

[Bklynbadboy12]

Why is that nonsense

[ariadneR]

@bklynbadboy12 I honestly don't expect him to do anything tbh.
I mean this guy had a concealed carry license on him and they're blaming him for carrying a gun...

[Chazmatazz269]

He was doing wrong, but what he was doing didn’t warrant execution.

[WhiteBoyChill]

dude was literally going around trying to fight ice agents

[Dargil]

Because it is. No further explanation is needed.

[Miristheiss]

Anyone who is totally honest will acknowledge some of these encounters are getting more borderline.

Maybe an agent has gotten a little too trigger happy. They haven't been one sided. The people shot aren't just minding their own business. They are actively disrupting agents at their job.

They agents however do not look like they are 100% in danger, maybe they have been too jumpy on the trigger.

Big picture though. The ONLY reason ICE is going in so strong is the left cities are refusing to honoe the ICE holds being issued on suspects arrested. Leftists ignore them and let the suspects go. ICE is then having to go in and find them.

Then you have this funded and organized movement to follow ICE, locate them, warn aliens to flee, interfer with ICE while they are licating and arresting these aliens. Mobs of resisters and agitators and endless encounters with agents trying to deport criminals.

These incidents are going to keep happening if mibs keep interfering with law enforcement.

The public should let ICE do its job and stay out of it.

There is zero reason to interfer with the deportation of foreign nationals here illegally.

It is foolish to think the public is allowed to jump in the way and interfer and foolish to believe there will not be injuries or deaths.

They should go to work and live their lives and let ICE enforce the law.

[AskNaomie]

Interference is the right of the people, protesting is our right. This is an important distinction between us and nations like Russia and Iran, you should not be in fear of your life for interference with law enforcement that is totalitarian.

[Miristheiss]

@AskNaomie
You are 100% WRONG!!!
Where did you go to school? This is sad that people do not know or understand basic tenants or our law.

INTERFERENCE is not our right. PEACEFUL protest is a right... within limits. You cannot protest while you are on the job working for your employer. You cannot protest in the middle of public streets but you can protest.

You CANNOT INTERFER with officers doing their job. That is illegal.

You are woefully ignorant if you think interfering with law enforcement while they are doing their job. That is what is causing these skirmishes, arrests, tear gassing and shootings. Physically interfering with officers.

YOU CANNOT DO THAT.
You can stand off to the side and hold signs and protest.

You CANNOT PHYSICALLY INTERFE.

You are way off on that one.

[Miristheiss]

Do you really not understand the difference between PROTEST and INTERFERE?

[Miristheiss]

The moment you step in front of officers or touch them or block them and hinder them from making arrests you are BREAKING LAW.

[AskNaomie]

You sound dumb there isn't anything violet about non compliance and interference alone it only disrupts process. How should we protest? Hold a sign? Is that ypur idea or peaceful protest? Picketing? What are you in middle school? Protesting the laws implaced by the people we vote to represent us when we feel unrepresented is the right of the American people.

[AskNaomie]

You can't assault police officers but you absolutely can physically interference. As for border and customs enforcement I don't even have to comply remotely, I'm a citizen.

[Miristheiss]

@AskNaomie
You are way off. That is why they are arresting people. Interfering is illegal.

[AskNaomie]

You can and people are...

[AskNaomie]

Why isn't there mass arrests of these people interfering? Because immigration and customs enforcement has no jurisdiction on American citizens unless they are using a port of entry. It is well within an American citizens rights to not comply with federal agents that have no legal authority over them. I can absolutely also protest in all of those circumstances you mentioned, remember whos streets? Our streets, we can protest in the streets we paid for...

[WhiteBoyChill]

The dude had been reaching for where his loaded gun was

[TwoDecisions]

Honestly:

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Its how I feel about most things coming from the US. When I was younger I'd be quite horrified when I heard about murders, school shootings and whatnot but now I just. It's simply another normal day in the US where they're hating and murdering each other. When so many Americans don't give a flying fuck, I can't see why other countries should blink a eye. Heck Americans don't care what happens to everyone else so I can't really care about what happens to them.

Feel a little bad for those that didn't elect the dude and are doing something about it but those are the minority. We all knew this was coming and we all know this will get worse and all we can do is say "told yah fuckers so".

Must admit I did giggle a little since it's clearly not a right to carry guns any longer unless you be a trump sucker. Now I'll never take a gun loving American seriously again, not that I ever did. Violence from the US doesn't phase me anymore.

Just replied this a couple of seconds ago, didn't know this question was spammed this much on here. 😂👌

[MicahRaine]

I think this was a situation where nearly everyone messed up.

• Pretti should have complied when ICE officers tried to detain him, especially after less than lethal pepper spray was used. No one wins against federal law enforcement, it’s not worth it.
• Pretti never should have tried to pull a gun on federal officers, which, if you saw the videos before they were all blurred, you can clearly see him do while standing in front of the parked vehicle involved in a minor/light struggle.
• The ICE officer who disarmed Pretti bears a lot of responsibility for failing to communicate that Pretti had been disarmed.
• Pretti idiotically went for his holster/gun a second time while struggling on the ground, not realizing he had been disarmed.
• The ICE officer who first shot Pretti should have seen his partner disarm Pretti, so he bears some responsibility as well.

At the end of the day anyone being intellectually honest will agree that a lot of mistakes were made and that we wish Pretti had not been killed.

[Staximus]

I don't think the shooting was justified, but also that it was a case of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". Within his rights or not, you have to question the intentions, motives, and sanity of a person who brings a gun and 2 extra clips to a protest to confront federal agents, where the chances of collateral damage to fellow protestors is very high. An armed person intentionally interfering with and confronting a group of armed agents who are already on edge, and then resists arrest. It's like throwing a lit match in a bucket of gasoline and expecting it to go out instead of catch fire. It doesn't make sense. I don't think these agents are going about doing their job right. They aren't trained to deal with angry crowds, but they make a spectacle and show of detaining people and that is the problem. More people were deported during the Obama administration, but they went about it differently. They just rolled up with a few dudes, grabbed a guy, threw him in a van, and off they went.

[Chazmatazz269]

They weren’t doing anything differently under Obama. Obama literally gave Tom Homan a service award for doing the exact same thing he’s doing for Drumpf. The only difference is that tens of thousands of radical idiots weren’t harassing them under Obama.

[msc545]

He didn't confront anyone. The agents removed his weapon from him after pepper-spraying and beating him, and just before killing him. He never pulled his weapon from its holster or displayed it in any way. We all saw this on multiple videos.

[WhiteBoyChill]

The difference now is that there werent left wing mobs paid by soros interfering with immigration back then, not realky the same thing

[msc545]

You are blaming the victim.

The man who was killed did not confront anyone, and he brought a personal weapon with him, which I suspect he carried everywhere and didn't see a need to dispose of it just to placate people. He did not interfere with the ICE agents. He simply attempted to comfort a woman who had physically abused by throwing her as hard as they could onto the cement. Perhaps you think you should've stayed out of this, and I don't necessarily disagree with that. But keep in mind the man was a nurse. People who are health care professionals, and I am one of them, tend to respond to injury by providing care. I understand why he did what he did, and what he did posed no threat to anyone. If ICE agents can't behave professionally, and apparently they can't, they have no business out in public carrying guns and exercising any authority whatsoever. They are literally not fit to be among the rest of us.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@msc545 you clearly haven't been paying attention. m.youtube.com/watch

[msc545]

@WhiteBoyChill you can keep posting that video as much as you want. I see what I see, and what almost the majority of everybody else sees. You are in the minority here because you are seeing what you want to see and it's not really there.

[Staximus]

@msc545 you don't walk up with a gun in your pants and start interfering with a law enforcement operation units you are stupid and looking for trouble, or mentally ill

[msc545]

He didn't interfere with anything and the fact that someone is carrying a gun is not a reason to shoot them. At least not legally. You can keep mischaracterizing this as long as you want, but the truth is on that video it keeps arising. I'm sure it annoys most people that think that the ice agents did not murder him but the fact is they murdered him. This is one of those situations that is so bad and so obviously bad that you are not going to talk your way out of it no matter what you say or no matter how many lies people make up about it.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@msc545 “i see what i see” clearly meaning you don’t care to actually watch my video, because it disproves everything you’re saying

[msc545]

@WhiteBoyChill it may disprove it for you, but quite honestly, I think I think you are probably hallucinating.

[h20gu27]

HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BROUGHT A LOADED GUN WITH EXTRA CLIPS TO A RIOT!!! YOU HAVE A 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO CONCEAL CARRY BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO CONCEAL CARRY WITH THE INTENT TO IMPEDE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT'S LAWFUL DUTIES AND INVESTIGATIONS!!! THESE GREAT MEN AND WOMAN ARE MOSTLY LATINOS AND OTHER MINORITIES THAT CAME IN THE CORRECT WAY!! IT IS A SLAP IN THEIR FACE IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO CUT THE GOT DAM LINE!! DEMONRATS ARE FINISHED!!! WE CAN NEVER ALLOW THEM TO TOUCH THAT WHITE HOUSE FOR AT LEAST 16-20 YEARS OR UNTIL THEY ARE ABLE TO GET BRAIN TRANSPLANTS!! THEY ARE DOMESTIC TERRORIST AND ARE UNDER FEDERAL INVESTIGATION FOR BEING A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION!!! ALL THE SHIT THEY DID TO DJT AND HE DIDN'T DO ANY OF WHAT THEY TRIED TO CHARGE HIM WITH!!! DEMONRATS ARE GODLESS SOULESS PEOPLE THAT USE MINORITIES FOR THEIR TWISTED WICKED AGENDAS!!! THEY DID IT TO BLACK AMERICANS, THEY DID IT TO EVERY MINORITY!! THEY WENT AND RECRUITED A POPULATION OF A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY TOLD THEM IF THEY COME HERE THEY WILL GET EVERYTHING FOR FREE BUT THEY MUST VOTE FOR THEM! TIM WALZ IS GOING DOWNNNNNNN!!! SO ARE MANY OTHERS!!!

[Kaneki05]

The woman who drove and got shot was one thing that could be deemed easily an accident of purpose and intent.
This guy? He was shot in the back when pinned without anyway to shoot said officer yet was shot in the back several times. That's what we call a wrongful shooting very easily.
Though I still don't think people should be out harassing officers, so I see him as wrong but clearly the officer who shot him needs to booked for life or if I had my way death penalty give what ya get. Firing squad style.

[Dargil]

The CBP Use of Force policy relies heavily on constitutional law, as interpreted by federal courts, that apply a standard that requires any use of force to be “objectively reasonable” at the time force is applied. That measure is determined by examining what the agent knew or perceived when he pulled the trigger, not by public opinion influenced by politicians, or by or frame-by-frame review of enhanced video or a hours or days later.

Here is a good safety tip for Democrats. Do not participate in violent mob rioting. Do not carry a sidearm at violent mob rioting. Do not get dead.

[Kaneki05]

Yes and that's why he will be going to a Court over this shooting and will be deemed guilty.
Because he knew the guy directly in front of him was pinned down, facing away and couldn't of shot him and it will be seen as not objectively reasonable at all.
Can't see any good reason he could come up with to say he didn't know that, he has eyes.

So I'm confused since this agrees with me, unless you somehow read this as they can never go to court over shooting someone you've just agreed with me here.

[Bklynbadboy12]

I can seriously see what your saying but any lose of life is just a sad situation. My heart goes out to his family

[lightbulb27]

I learned by experience long ago and observation.

Be very very cautious around police, keep distance, move slow and don't interfere. girlfriend be an example of a scenario maybe someone should, sometimes, it's a tough call.

Know that when you do, putting ones life at risk.

The promotion from govt officials and others to fan the flames of emotions, getting people interferring is an abomination and what is causing risk to both citizen and agents.

Only protest peacefully at a distance, do not interfere. Or else.

I've been to protest, I've seen people abused by police. I cannot blame the police either. When stress gets high already ontop of threat, with emotions high... decisions go fight or flight, people get hurt/killed.

It's a tragedy that was avoidable by holding a sign at a distance or other methods, if people think that's the right thing to do.

[FunkyMonkee]

He got what he deserved!! He had NO BUSINESS BEING THERE!! You DON''T take a gun and several clips to a SUPPOSEDLY PEACEFUL protest and, if you do, you DON'T resist arrest and stir a lot of shit with the cops!!
I DO think they could've just shot him in the shoulder where it wouldn't do a LOT of harm but would've still stopped him but, he fucked around and found out!! When the fuck are these asshole gonna FINALLY get a clue that theses cops AREN'T FUCKING AROUND? If you get in their way, BE PREPARED TO KISS YOUR ASS GOODBYE!!!
The mayor and governor are the REAL assholes in this for TELLING THESE fucking brainwashed SHEEP to go DO THIS SHIT in the first place!!!

[FunkyMonkee]

I think that if we would've just LET these protesters eat their Tide pods a few years ago, we wouldn't be dealing with this shit, now!!

[Bklynbadboy12]

Damn why dont you two say how you really feel

[Hagar88]

I think I've never had a problem with police or ice and there's a simple reason why.

[WhiteBoyChill]

What’re the photos of women supposed to be of?

[Hagar88]

@WhiteBoyChill to demonstrate white girl magic 🎩 ✨️

[Chazmatazz269]

It was a bad shooting. The victim was disarmed, outnumbered five to one and prone. He never touched the gun himself. He was shot very shortly after being disarmed by another agent.
There’s no way the shooter isn’t charged. If he’s smart, he’ll admit he did wrong and beg for leniency.

https://youtu.be/_LANxOh3tvI?si=7nX7Hi7Alh9wyN2H

The riots were going on long before any shooting occurred. It would continue if there were no shootings at all. The radicals there are the worst combination of crazy and stoopid. It’s absolutely absurd that leftists are blaming law enforcement agencies for their choice to riot.

[Avicenna]

Anyone claiming it was "murder" before an investigation has even occurred is so biased that they won't accept anything that doesn't agree with their knee-jerk reaction to the shooting.

It's been reported that the ICE agents' bodycams were on during the incident. If so, footage from it will greatly aid the investigation.

Obstructing law enforcement and initiating confrontations with ICE agents is a very bad idea, as is bringing a firearm to such a confrontation.

[Bklynbadboy12]

You have some valid points its just a sad situation. Lets see what comes from this investigation but the optics dont look good even you have to admit that

[Chazmatazz269]

https://youtu.be/_LANxOh3tvI?si=K-tsphvRBtWtwsdu

[888theGreat]

Actually my vision is pretty good and I know what I saw.

[exitseven]

This guy is being portrayed as a saint. The reality is that he was a member of an anti ICE group and the fact that when he told his father that he was going to protest his father specifically told him to not engage with ICE agents. His father must have known he was predisposed to making trouble.
He was a useful idiot for the democrats. Walz and Frey wound him up and now he is dead.

[Dargil]

Sorry. That doesn't fit the narrative. But here's what's true. If Democrats don't want to get dead. They should stay out of the line of fire. Do not carry a concealed sidearm. And don't participate in violent mob riots. Consider that a good safety tip.

[Chazmatazz269]

https://youtu.be/_LANxOh3tvI?si=K-tsphvRBtWtwsdu

[888theGreat]

so was Kirk and I am not sure where he is right now

[msc545]

@exitseven You can't prove anything you say, and you are libeling a dead man. Have enough respect to provide your evidence that supports all the terrible things you have said, if you have any.

[exitseven]

@msc545 It was discovered that he was a member of that group tht tracks ICE with thert cell phones. He also contributed to democrats. He was a died in the wool moonbat. You can just tell by his eyes. He was not an innocent bystander.

[msc545]

Tracking ice is a really good idea considering how they behave and it's not an illegal. Protesting is not illegal even though I think you would like it to be. Contributing to Democrats is not illegal and half the country doesn't including me. I realized that you would like Trump to be the dictator and you'd like to be there to be only political party, but that hasn't happened that it's not going to happen. Not if the rest of us have anything to say about it. Continuing to libel a dead man is going to bring you very bad karma. You should stop it.

[strawberryapple]

Alex had a right to have the gun with him, but if he had a lick of common sense he would have left it at home. Now he's dead and the cop will be fighting to stay out of prison. What a waste.

[Bklynbadboy12]

I agree its sad

[Unycorn]

This is a warning what happened!

I hope his death will change the mind.

Weapons cannot make peace.

Give someone power and you see thw character.

RIP Alex Pretti

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I think every serious gun guy heard he owned a sig p320 and knew this was about to be some bullshit. Poor guy. All i saw was a blurry angle but i have a hard time believing he exactly had it coming.

[Chazmatazz269]

There are three angles shown here, with audio. He definitely didn’t “have it coming”.

https://youtu.be/_LANxOh3tvI?si=K-tsphvRBtWtwsdu

[Spencer10]

I believe what i can see. I strongly support a fair open and thorough investigation. Depending on the findings people are held accountable. Will this happen? Unlikely.

[Bklynbadboy12]

I agree we should get all of the facts first just not sure that will happen

[SimonK56]

It was a wanton taking of an innocent life, the ICE officers and the Trump administration are all saying that Mr Pretti had a gun on him at the time, video evidence proves that he didn't have a gun, he was actually using a mobile phone to video what the ICE officers were doing to another innocent citizen, and the ICE officers shot Mr Pretti to silence him, I'm 1,000% convinced of it.

[Snakeyes7]

The guy had many agents on him. He should have just taken the arrest and if he felt it was unlawful he will take it up with the court.

That's not just how you do it with feds, that's how you deal with regular cops too. Even with a gun, you will not win if you try to fight an arrest.

[HawkPerception]

This video explains my opinion about it.

Alex Pretti Shooting

[alice55]

I don't know the whole stories but from what I read he was just manifesting? So it sound a bit exteme to kill him it's also not their work to killl people so it's pretty crazy

[katiesmuff]

Noam and others will be fired and disappear into history, the actual shooter may face legal problems, but it won't be murder unfortunately.

[Bricealan]

@bklynbadboy12 I was not there, as an eyewitness, so how could I say he was murdered. Were you there and witnessed the murder?

[msc545]

You've heard of video right?

[Bricealan]

@msc545 No I have never heard of video? What are you? A wise ass? Yeah, you are, I have read your other posts, and you are another know it all.

[msc545]

Gosh did I hurt your feelings sweetheart?

[AviatorTom]

A sad situation for everyone involved. I dislike using the term "murder" before all the facts are known.

[goaded]

Pepper-sprayed, disarmed and shot ten times in "self defence"?

[Grond21]

I think he acted poorly, and that bit is on him, but he shouldn't have died. It looks to me like the agents overreacted. No matter what, it's a real tragedy.

[DonaldDarko]

Guy was a communist and where he shouldn't have been, that's all there is to it.

[DryGermanGuy]

It’s the return of a Kent State University like scenario, only more drawn out.

[snermcger]

Unfortunate. Should have been avoided. Could have been avoided. Unfortunately that started with Alex.

[Mike_Hum]

He wasn't murdered. Hope this clears it up for you.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Welcome to King Donald The First's realm !!!

[CuriousMufuxka]

Your description says it all. I don't speak ill of the dead.

[Purplenerple67]

Alex was checking on a woman to see if she was ok after being assaulted by an ice agent and they beat him up and shot him several times.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Thats not what happened at all

[NewtoTheSouth]

About the same as I feel when right-wing protestors are murdered.

[Dargil]

I think it's nonsense.

[Dargil]

In 2024 Minnesota AG Keith Ellison Argued No Right to Carry a Gun at ‘Political Rallies and Protests’. If Democrats want to stop being killed, They need to not carry firearms and they need to not participate in violent mob riots. Consider that a good safety tip.

[Rangers]

I really don't care, truthfully

[Filthy_Immigrant]

I think Minneapolis is fucked.

[captain_voidwalker]

He fucked around and found out

[WhiteBoyChill]

I think he was an idiot

[Pterodon]

Prove it was murder.

[kavakava]

Liberals always use the word "alleged," unless it's an ICE agent doing the shooting. No due process for ICE.

[Pterodon]

Every conservative gun owner knows you never draw a weapon on a cop. They don’t say hand me your weapon. They get your weapon for you while your hands are raised.

[kavakava]

Exactly

[NaultD]

The guy never touched his gun. They shove him to the ground. One ice agent sees and disarms him yelling "gun" then another ice agent open fires.

[Pterodon]

We’ll see when the investigation is over

[Dargil]

Sorry. These people go on feelz and not facts o r rational thought. My hope is that Democrats will self deport.

[kavakava]

They can deport to Italy with Rosie O'Donnell. o'donnell

[Pterodon]

I thought she went to Ireland

[kavakava]

And the psychopath Ellen DeGeneres moved to London.

[Chazmatazz269]

https://youtu.be/_LANxOh3tvI?si=K-tsphvRBtWtwsdu