Please explain why it's okay for the US to have nuclear weapons but not for Iran to have them?

[Anonymous]

Please don't tell me that somehow it's because Iran is less trustworthy. The U. S. has an abundance of nuclear weapons and delivery systems and is the only country that has ever used them, which it did in 1945 against two different civilian cities killing many hundreds of thousands of people. Somehow people argue that the U. S. is more trustworthy? Particularly with a lunatic like Trump in charge?

Please explain how the U. S. is more trustworthy and Iran is less trustworthy.

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[NaultD]

It muddies up the visibility and less second guessing the mutual assured destruction military doctrine or "M. A. D.

Get more and more countries involved on top of situations like this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1cy0f4c/in_september_1983_soviet_military_officer/

It's not that any individual nuke is dangerous compared to better military explosions today. It's the fact that if one nuke goes off every plan in the book is to set off every nuke all at once.

Very much like a domestic abuser logic. You made me do this self destructive plan I foresaw happening.

[Asker]

Yes, I understand, particularly in a bit. Possibly I'm being a bit obtuse today, but please answer the question about why it's okay for the U. S. to have nuclear weapons but not for Iran to have them.

[NaultD]

I'm not saying it's ok. I'm saying the logic behind it.

[Asker]

I understand the logic behind mutually assured destruction, but somehow treating the U. S. as special makes no sense whatsoever, particularly considering the madman we have in charge right now.

[NaultD]

First to set up the doctrine. Then ussr followed suit. Creating modern standard. It's not special in a higher grander power sense but logic and order of operation sence.

[NaultD]

"I CALL SHOTGUN" so I get the front seat logic.

[SeekerOfTruth007]

It's not okay and our ancestors were wrong to build and use them, even against Japan.

We've been in the process of disarming the things ever since the end of the Cold War era. Everyone should be required to disarm, but the cat's out of the bag and nobody wants to fully disarm for fear that the other nations won't fully disarm.

Now that rogue terror states have access to nuclear weapons, the future is bleak. There will never be peace as long as there are people who want "all Jews and Christians everywhere to be exterminated."

[Asker]

I'm not going to disagree with you, but I think that there will never be peace as long as there are nuclear weapons available to anybody. It's not just that people want Jews and Christians everywhere to be exterminated. It's also that they want Muslims and people of other religions and colors other than white to also be exterminated. All of this has to stop, I believe. Do you agree?

[SeekerOfTruth007]

@strateguy632 Worse, real history shows Japan had already surrendered to Russia a full seven days before the USA nuked Japan the first time. The USA wanted Japan to surrender to the USA, so our ancestors nuked defenseless people twice who weren't even fighting back anymore, and they picked targets that maximized civilian casualties ON PURPOSE.

[SeekerOfTruth007]

@strateguy632 If you surrender to one ally it's a surrender to all allies. Japan had literally attempted to surrender to the USA and the USA refused to accept their surrender then either.

The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings were literally all about REVENGE. There was no necessity to bomb japan anymore by the time the war had progressed to that stage. Japan literally surrendered to Russia and their surrender had already been accepted by Russia a week before the nuclear bombings happened. This is well documented, and the United States was aware of this and bombed them anyway.

[SeekerOfTruth007]

@strateguy632 there's also evidence that the United States shot first at Pearl Harbor to begin with. They actually sank a japanese ship around a week before the Pearl Harbor bombing happened.

[NoDecision]

Because the US doesn't sell or give them to terrorists, or would use them on Israel.

[Asker]

No, we just threaten people with them, which, of course, in your book, probably makes it all okay.

[NoDecision]

I think Trump is going bonkers. No telling what he is going to do. Sometimes threats are the only way you can get people to the bargaining table. And it doesn't help that we have a bunch of cowards and boot lickers in his cabinet, and in Congress. They sure the hell aren't representing us the people.

[Asker]

I think you are seeing the effects of Trump's personality disorder and his encroaching dementia on his behavior at this point. I expect it will get worse. We need to be merciful and provide him with care that he is increasingly needing.

[Kelley1]

The reason is that every country wants to be the only country with nuclear weapons

[Asker]

Only the US has said that it wants this. Nobody else has.

[Kelley1]

What about Israel?

[Asker]

I've never heard the Israelis say that, but it's probably true.

[Kelley1]

Israel doesn't want Iran to have nuclear weapons.

[Asker]

I don't really know what the hell is Real Wants, and I don't think you know either.

[Kelley1]

Thank you for the MHO.

[RavVid]

It is pretty obvious. The primary nuclear powers US, Russia, China have a lot to lose if they started a nuclear war.

It is also a three handed game. If Russia and China had a nuclear war (as they almost did once) than likely they would lob a few at the US and possibly UK and France. The reason being if they left nuclear powers out then they would dominate the world afterwards.

There is some rationality.

You can't reasonably expect crazed Islam clerics to be rational especially when Jihad is part of their creed. It is quite OK to prevent would-be's from gaining nuclear weapons

[Zack-Bann]

It’s “ok” because the US is strong enough to enforce that status quo


There is no such thing as right or wrong when it comes to geopolitics


It’s the law of the strongest


and you’re either the strongest or you’re not


You take your foot off the gas and suddenly you’re the one getting bombed instead of doing the bombing


It’s barbaric but also necessary


Defending one’s country cannot be done while being moral and fair to everyone else

[strawberryapple]

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[Kaneki05]

Same reason you wouldn't of wanted Germany or Russia to build nukes first... and the usage of the 1st nuke was necessary. The 2nd one for sure wasn't but the first was. Oppenheimer understood this, despite being upset about the deaths it caused.

[Asker]

What is that same reason that you speak of? I ask because I'm not aware of it. Well, yes, I am. In regard to Germany, if Hitler were in control, he was a madman. I would not want him to have had nuclear weapons. That is the same reason I don't want Trump to have control of nuclear weapons. He too is a madman. I don't see the Russians as having been a problem. They are rational people.

[Kaneki05]

Stalin would've of Nuked several places for sure if not him the KGB shortly after, and Putin would too, and Putin has threatened it several times though he's all bark no bite thanks to us having nukes too.
Khamenei would, because that's what Islamic terrorists do they have no problem killing as such if in the name of Allah nor do they care about dying themselves.

Trump probably would if he could but he can't lucky, and he wouldn't target any country that's western nor has nukes. Iran regime would target westerns even with nukes and not care. That's a major difference.
One would happily end the world in sake of Allah they think that brings grand rewards after all.
You can't make America great again by making America not exist.

[Asker]

How is it that you are such an expert in what people would or would not do? Right now as I write this, I am waiting for 5:00, which is the hour at which Trump said he would nuke Iran if they didn't do what he wanted. These might be the last words I ever write, but I'm just going to ask you: What do you think about that? Should we trust Trump with nuclear weapons? Should we trust the United States with nuclear weapons? Do you think that the United States is so special that it is unwilling to do the bad things that everybody else, according to you, is going to do?

[Kaneki05]

I hope he don't nor think he will because it's a pandora's box. The reason he can't is the aftermath. Everyone dies. Once it's okay for America to nuke somewhere, it is for China and Russia... you think Trump don't know that?
I think he knows that very well.
Trump will bomb but it won't be a nuke. And he never said he'd nuke ya know?
He has stated he will bomb power plants, and ending a civilization that does not mean nuke.

I am not an expert it's just logical conclusions, and trump is a business man and logical. He may be unhinged but he does have logic.

[Kaneki05]

And for your sake you better hope I am right.

[Kaneki05]

Looks like he announced a ceasefire by the way

[Pterodon]

We haven’t used them since and shame on Japan. We gave them fair warning what we had and that we would use it. They blew us off twice. It was only when we told them a third was coming did they finally surrender. by the way the largest loss of life was not from fat man and little boy. It was the fire bombing campaign of Tokyo

[Asker]

I understand that everything that you said was true, but that doesn't answer my question.

[Pterodon]

Because they’re a death cult. They would fire at Israel because they need an apocalyptic event for their beliefs. They have no problem dying for it. They fly planes into buildings, blow themselves up in malls etc.

[Asker]

What exactly is a death cult, and how do you know they would fire at Israel because they need an "apocalyptic event" for their beliefs? What portion of their beliefs are you referring to relative to the need, as you put it, for an apocalyptic event? How do you know they have no problem dying for it? This is because some Arab people flew planes into buildings. Those were Saudi Arabians, not Iranians. I know you think they are all alike, but they are not. How did you become such an expert on their religion and what they want? You a Muslim yourself or a former one?

[Pterodon]

You willing to take the risk? Let’s play Russian roulette but I’m holding my gun to your head with my finger on the trigger. Still want to risk it?

[Asker]

Instead of deflecting, why don't you try answering my questions? I think they are legitimate, fair questions, and they deserve answers.

[abc3643]

Because the only people who should have nuclear weapons are responsible adults with a modicum of emotional control. Not people who believe they are going to get 72 virgins in Heaven if they kill the infidel for Allah.

[Asker]

Yeah that probably applies to mentally ill people who threaten to destroy other civilizations as well.

[Asker]

And who is it that you think should determine whether or not a particular person or a set of people are responsible adults with a modicum of emotional control, as you describe it? It's apparently not people who have religious beliefs that disagree with yours, right?

[abc3643]

I don't have religious beliefs.
I will address your reasonable criticism accordingly:

There are things that are objective in reality. This is why I say ”Nature doesn't give a shit what you think, who you are, what you believe, or anything else about you except one thing: Nature dictates and speaks in bottom lines. You can learn what it says and act accordingly or you can deny what it says and live or die from the consequences."

A responsible adult understands this.
An irresponsible or immature person does not.

You are young and have no memory of much of what has precipitated this. In short, the acts of the theocracy in Iran since before you were born have led to a destiny that they have brought upon themselves.

This is a lesson from history and when you fail to learn from it, you are doomed to repeat it.

So, ”Who determines?"
Nature

[Asker]

Nature doesn't determine anything and cannot speak. I think what you really meant to say is that you think that YOU should determine whether or not a particular person or a set of people are responsible adults with a modicum of emotional control...

[AviatorTom]

It has nothing to do with trust.

Iran has openly and publicly announced that it wants to eliminate Israel and the United States. If Iran had nuclear weapons, it would probably use them.

[Asker]

When and where did they publicly announce that?

[strateguy632]

When? all the time! where in iran and more ! "Death to America" is a political slogan widely used in Iran,[1] Afghanistan,[2] Lebanon,[3] Yemen,[4] Iraq,[5][6] and Pakistan.[7][8] Ruhollah Khomeini, the first supreme leader of Iran, popularized the term.[9][10][11][12]".

[strateguy632]

Iran's version of WhatsApp has a death To america emoji.

[beefcakebradybatson]

It isn't, but since the breakup of the USSR and the end of Mutually Assured Destruction which virtually assured the Russians and Yanks would be too mindful of the resulting carnage were nukes casually employed,"MAD" seems far less so with a world of bad actors with or about to get nukes.

[Spencer10]

Funny how the ones who get to decide who gets nukes are the ones who already have nukes... I would think if Iran gives up nukes Israel should do the same. Fair is fair.

[Asker]

That would be a good compromise, except for the fact that Israel won't even admit it has nukes.

[Dargil]

Christianity does not have doctrines that all infidels must convert to be killed or that their mission is to usher the end of days. Those might be reasons.

[strateguy632]

Because iran deliberately tries to kill civilians. That is why.

[strateguy632]

That is the difference. Also since using nukes 1945 we haven't misused them for decades! proved we are worthy of trust.

[Asker]

Well, I think in that game of trust, Iran is still ahead of us. They haven't used nukes on anybody. The U. S. used the civilian populations deliberately in 1945 twice.

[strateguy632]

Did you really say: 'Iran hasn't used nukes'? They don't have nukes. So no proof about nukes. Iran did show it was BRUTAL to its own citizens so that is proof iran bad. Death to iran!

[Asker]

You don't know if they do or do not have nuclear weapons. Do you really think that United States is not brutal to its own citizens too?

[KostasKouvalis]

Because Iran might actually use them. Having isn't the issue, it's using

[Asker]

Why do you think Iran would be more likely to use them than the U. S. would? After all, the Iranians haven't been saying they were going to use them, and Trump just got through making that threat. Wouldn't it then follow that it's safer for the Iranians to have them than it is for the U. S. to have them?

[KostasKouvalis]

Of course they aren't gonna say that

[Asker]

Why do you think Iran would be more likely to use them than the U. S. would?

[Asker]

Well, we know for a fact that the U. S. might use them, having done so twice before.

[KostasKouvalis]

Those were different times

[Sal_Monella]

Please explain your being a brainless twit. I need to understand it.

[Anonymous]

They're not worthy of nukes. Biden would have let them have them because he's brain dead.

[exitseven]

Because the US will use them against our enemies and not against ourselves.

[loveslongnails]

Trump and P-2025 ARE the enemy. His stupid little cult is the enemy, but that's your own fault. We don't want you dead, we just don't want stupid folks like yourselves making laws that affect everyone and destroy the country.

As for nukes, the US is using the military against it's own people already, as well as federal agencies. You just think they're not.

[Asker]

And do you think that Iran would use the nukes against us? Well, yeah, they probably would. We are the enemies of Iran. The thing that keeps them from doing that is the fact that we also possess mix. This is called mutually Assured Destruction.

[Asker]

@loveslongnails very well said and very well thought out. Thank you.

[exitseven]

@loveslongnails that little cult is over half of America and the part that does most of the work.

[loveslongnails]

That's TOTAL bullshit. LOL This is where my statistics degree will help your dumb ass out Exit, although it's such simple math that even you could probably do it. Try and follow:

Let's just say all 77 million dummies who voted for him in 2024 still support him. It's not close to being true, but let's use that number because it makes you happy.

# of eligible voters in USA --- 244 million
# who voted for Scump -- 77 million
77 divided by 244 = 31.56%

That's not even a THIRD of voters. But according to recent polling, only 74% of Scump voters would vote for him again if they could, so 74% of 77 million is 56.98 million
56.98 million divided by 77 million = 23.35%

So the real number is likely to be HALF of what you claim, which is to be expected of you.
As for those doing most of the work, what do you think the other 75% of people are doing? Nothing you say? Taking government hand outs? Of course you would say that.

Keep in mind too, that the people who did most ALL the jobs that Americans didn't want to do, are the people you put in concentration camps or deported. You just don't know wtf you're talking about in this arena, Exit. And you sure as shit can't do basic math.

[loveslongnails]

Typo... that's 56.98 million divided by 244 million... not 77 million. The percentage is correct.

[exitseven]

@loveslongnails 93% of small business owners are Trump supporters. So are people that belong to labor unions except the teachers union. First responders and the military are bug supporters of out President as well Hispanics and other immigrant groups also.
Thay leaves the people on welfare, illegal aliens, college students and employees and people that are incarcerated.

[loveslongnails]

Do you EVER stop LYING? No where NEAR 93% support Trump, especially now, and never have. I remind you, you're trying to run your BULLSHIT numbers past a guy with a degree in Statistics who knows how to read data... and it's not working for you, ass hat.

The latest data shows about a 50/50 split in small business support for Trump, but there isn't much data or polling being done. What there IS data on is how badly the tariff's hurt small businesses. As I said before, I don't run too many numbers by you because it's a waste of time.

Trump support is at an all-time low in the USA. Every metric he claimed he'd fixed, is broken. Nothing but lies and the rich getting richer, and ignorant echo boxes like you carrying his filthy water.

Please stop making up bullshit numbers when you give your "opinions", if that's even possible for you.

[exitseven]

@loveslongnails it is probably more like 99%. Running a small business is a lot different than working for the government or being on welfare.

[Asker]

How do you know what the US will do or not do?

[FunkyMonkee]

Why is okay for criminals to have guns but not us?

[Asker]

Everyone has guns.

[FunkyMonkee]

But, the democrats want to take them all away from us!! If that happens, we have no protection against the criminals.
Anyway, the point is, Iran's leaders have shown for nearly half a century that they are evil people that can't be trusted! Are THOSE the kinds of people you want with nukes?

[Asker]

You know what, monkey? We don't care. Just keep your damn little pistols.

[Asker]

For 250 years, the United States has shown that it's an evil country because all it does is start wars, enslave people, and abuse them. Are those the kind of people you want with nukes?

[FunkyMonkee]

Those kinds oof people are DEMOCRATS!! Wear the badge proudly!!

[Anonymous]

Israel has nukes illegal by international law yet they give out about Iran wanting them.

[strateguy632]

BS! Israel is not part of the treaty. Also only iran has those centrifuges. Israel lacks any centrifuge! it can't and never has enriched uranium. EVER.

[Miristheiss]

Sounds like your motal compass is broken.

[ABC1x1x]

Because might makes right.

[Anonymous]

I agree, you are right.