Do leftists actually want the West to collapse, and to what end?

[FrodoSkywalker007]

What exactly would it accomplish given their stated social positions (feminism, lgbtq rights, racial equality).

Seems very contrary to those desires 🤷‍♂️

I'd define them as useful idiot for 3rd world actors

[Just_Ken]

Leftists are sheep. Its kind of like how communists infiltrated unions before ww2. The goal was never to get workers better pay or conditions but to damage industry, cause massive hardship to workers and cause massive social upheaval. Now there's all these useful idiots that have infiltrated the education system, they've watered down education standards which is why there are so many graduates with nonsense degrees.

[exitseven]

Ys, they have been indoctrinated to believe America is the great Satan. I am sure nobody has thought that far ahead about what they will do once the country is destroyed.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

How in the hell would gender/racial equality and LGBT rights cause the west to collapse? Perhaps you mean that this country is only meant for straight white men? If so, that's pretty fucked up thinking.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

No, it's connected to their anti western values and support of regimes that denounce their views. "Queers for Palestine" as an example

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

How is that still anti western values? I thought western values were supposed to include freedom of speech? The right to support whomever they want even if you don't agree.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Certainly, but we begin to delude ourselves when we apply western values to other groups.
You will find that Marxism and guilt are often very intertwined in our cultures. It's actually a very rare way to handle such relationships.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

So does that hold true for MAGA supporters who support a cause that uses Nazi dog whistles which was decidedly not a thing most of the rest of the west supported and even famously went to war to stop or this just an agenda thing to criticize a small minority of the left?

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Well,
1. I'm not MAGA, so not sure of your reference
2. I'm not a Trump voter, so once again, unsure of your reference
🤷‍♂️

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Why does you being MAGA or not have anything to do with it? I am not a leftist and I still responded. Plus I have seen you defending Trump and calling those against him as having TDS so you obviously have some ties to his faction. You are well aware of what I am referring to.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

I see nothing in Trump that resembles fascism 🤷‍♂️
Have seen plenty on the left that is though? Obsession with race, gender, censorship etc.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Powerful Nationalism: Constant use of patriotic mottos, flags, symbols, and an obsession with national unity.

Disdain for Human Rights: Believing human rights can be ignored or suspended during perceived emergencies, leading to acceptance of abuses or torture.

Scapegoating Enemies: RALLYING the public by uniting them against a common enemy, minority group, or external threat.

Supremacy of the Military: Prioritizing military funding and power while neglecting domestic needs, and glorifying soldiers and force.

Controlled Mass Media: Directly controlling or indirectly steering news networks, promoting censorship, and undermining independent journalism.

Obsession with National Security: Using fear of attacks or outsiders as a primary tool to control the public.

Suppression of Labor and Protection of Corporate Power: Shielding corporate elites while crushing labor unions and worker representation.

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Rejecting critical thinking, independent academia, and free expression that do not align with state narratives.

Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Granting police broad, unchecked powers and promoting harsh penal codes.

Cronyism and Corruption: Rewarding personal loyalty to a supreme leader over professional competence.

Fraudulent Elections: Manipulating voting processes, weakening democratic checks and balances, and moving toward a one-party state.

All signs of fascism. If you literally can't see it in Trump then you are willingly blind to his corruption.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Well, if we go down the list

Powerful Nationalism? Too me, this is a bs one. We are supposed to show no pride? There is a difference between being proud, and forcing a sense of supremacy. I don't see this in the right (outside of fringe). I see anti Nationalism as a bigger threat today.

Disdain for Human Rights: this one can be applied to nearly any administration?

Scapegoating Enemies: like Israel, the Jews, GOP, MAGA. Conservatives? Seems a common ploy on the left? 🤷‍♂️

Supremacy of the Military: we should ignore our veterans? Eliminate security? For what? Social programs (we have) like Europe? According to Mark Rutte, NATO can't even fight without the US 🤷‍♂️

Controlled Mass Media: The same media that ja heavily anti Trump? Legacy media is largely untrustworthy, and currently has the lowest trust ratings in its history. news.gallup.com/.../trust-media-new-low.aspx

Obsession with National Security: because dealing with nations that have launched 100s of attacks on the US is unacceptable?
www.fdd.org/.../

Suppression of Labor and Protection of Corporate Power: like the Obama Era buy outs of companies that caused the 2008 collapse?

Disdain for the Intellectuals and Arts: like enforcing DEI policies, or removing anything that smells of conservatism?

Obsession with Crime and Punishments: as opposed to eliminating police departments and having private security for the wealthy? That's been tried 🤷‍♂️

Cronyism and Corruption: because Democrats have never excommunicated figures who didn't follow party policy?

Fraudulent Elections: like Democrats who claimed there were no issues in voting. Now, it's just only a little?

Sorry, don't see it, unless Democrats are clear fascists too? 🤷‍♂️

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Like i said. It's willful ignorance then.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

🤷‍♂️ maybe it's not willful ignorance on my part?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Absolutely is. You may claim not to be one of those cult members worshipping MAGA, but by defending and deflecting you certainly are condoning it.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

See? That's authoritarian.
It's why figures like Bill Maher are being excommunicated.
Joe Rogan is a liberal, but he's bee labeled far right for years 🤷‍♂️ the guy supported Bernie.
MAGA certainly isn't perfect. There is dissent (for better or worse).
The left however, seems the cult.

[strateguy632]

the actions show this. some also said 'we have connections to china.' the rest of democrats like schumer welcome them. nothing wrong with closing the senate- unless you are bernie sanders a senator.

[DonaldDarko]

Yes they want a global government. A national socalist hell for everyone.

[fishbone77]

The useful idiots think they'll be in the elite when communism comes. Meanwhile they'll just be in the gulag.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Yeah and to this end.

[Anonymous]

Go back and read all the times Trump rooted for America to fail because it would be Biden's fault and help him win an election.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

So, why do leftists want the collapse of the west?

[canamlusciouslad73]

The U. S. BY ALL MEANS should-and will collapse !!!

[KostasKouvalis]

I think so, yes. It sure seems that way