Did you know that before Israel, 13 percent of Palestine was Christian?

[MerakSahibi]

Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the properties of Christians who became refugees were confiscated, nationalized, and distributed to Jews, just like those of the Muslims.

Luckily, however, they were embraced by their fellow believers through church networks, migrating to the West and building new lives.

Today, the proportion of Christians in Israel-Palestine is not even 1%

Yes, true

No, Islamist propaganda

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Leaving out some details I see.

Who started the 1948 war? How many Christians live in Palestine now? How many Christians and Muslims live in Israel?

This has already been surveyed, and many Christians fear not only legal rights under Israel, but also Muslim discrimination and treatment by groups like Hamas. Economic hardships were the most significant cause.

https://www.ewtnnews.com/world/middle-east/why-are-christians-leaving-palestinian-territories

[FrodoSkywalker007]

www.jns.org/.../israels-muslim-population-reaches-1-85-million-ahead-of-eid-al-adha

1.86 million Muslims live in Israel as full citizens. Remind me, how many Jews live in Muslim dominated nations?

[MerakSahibi]

According to the news you shared, concern over Israel is even higher than concern over Hamas; according to the article again, concern regarding Jews is at 80%, while concern regarding Muslims is at 40%

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Naturally, considering we are speaking about Palestine. This is a territory Israel has enforced many restrictions on.

Yet, it appears Christians in Palestine are afraid of Muslims. Those same Muslims you imply would accept them with open arms.
Why would that be the case? 🤔

[MerakSahibi]

Their numbers are small because they migrated to Israel :D

During the Al-Andalus period, they reached administrative positions, and the Ottoman Empire accepted the Jews fleeing the Inquisition. Most of them were usurious bankers in Galata.

There is no proselytism in Judaism, which is why their population isn't large. They always form a small, wealthy class

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Id further implore you to actually read the text

Although they fear abuses by the Israeli state or by Jewish settlers, the vast majority of Palestinian Christians surveyed, 80%, also worry about corruption in the Palestinian government, and around 70% of them, Sayegh said, fear Hamas.

While both Christians and Muslims might leave Palestine for economic reasons, the new survey shows that Christians also feel unsafe or insecure not just by the threat of attacks by settlers, but from their neighbors

1What Christians could be saying here, Sayegh said, is that in one bi-national state, “we are a minority, but we are not the only minority at least,” and they would feel less safe in an Islamist or majority-Muslim state

Why do you think that is?

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Or perhaps it's because of extreme antisemitism that exists in the Muslim world?

[FrodoSkywalker007]

For example, polling shows massive antisemitism in the muslim world

www.adl.org/.../adls-global-100-survey-what-does-it-actually-say-about-muslim-attitudes-toward-jews
www.worldjewishcongress.org/.../overwhelmingly-negative-attitudes-toward-jews-in-islamic-countries

Many go as far as to deny the holocaust, which I believe is a state perspective in some Muslims nations. That is extreme.

[MerakSahibi]

We are not denying the Holocaust, but he claims that the Holocaust did not exist before the US entered the war

[FrodoSkywalker007]

That makes little sense. The Nazis were targeting Jews as early as 1933.
Many Islamic leaders have made their stances clear. Let's also not forget who supported them 🤷‍♂️
www.washingtoninstitute.org/.../holocaust-arab-collective-consciousness
https://lira.bc.edu/downloads/y8mqy-z0h41/4.pdf

[MerakSahibi]

The events of 1933 were not genocide; they involved repression, the stripping away of rights, and forcing people to emigrate. We should not conflate the two

[FrodoSkywalker007]

They were the beginnings of the holocaust.
Not to mention, 6 years before the war, 8 years before US entrance, and closer to 10 years before US troops even entered parts of Europe that would be relevant.

[lightbulb27]

One lesson on civil wars... never get in the middle of one.

[jshm2]

Well, no shit sherlock. Jesus and various first era churches and chapels are from that land.

[Just_Ken]

Same as Lebanon, Egypt and turkey.

[MerakSahibi]

The proportion of Copts in Egypt has remained stable for a century, while Christian emigration from Lebanon occurred after the 1975 civil war. The reduction in the non-Muslim population during the founding of Turkey was caused not by a Greek massacre, but by the population exchange, which also brought Muslims from Greece.

On the other hand, the Armenian issue was driven by racist and economic motives rather than religious sentiments. The enrichment of the Armenians, along with their alliance with the Russians and the British, set the stage for this, leading to the confiscation of their properties. If you ask me, this is an event that needs to be confronted

[Just_Ken]

No it hasn't. Theyve all diminished due to islam

[MerakSahibi]

Even before Islam, almost the entire region was Christian, but let's be honest—do you actually consider them Christian? All of Egypt was Coptic; half of Iraq was Christian (Nestorian, Jacobite); at least half of Syria was Syriac, and the other half was Melkite (Chalcedonian, but Aramaic-speaking). In the East, the Armenians were already Gregorian. The Chalcedonian Greek population was mainly concentrated in Lebanon.

Except for the Greeks and Melkites, these groups were declared heretical in terms of dogma due to their christological positions at the Council of Chalcedon. Groups labeled as heretical transition to a new religion more easily. For example, in the Balkans, Bosniaks and Pomaks rapidly converted to Islam because they were Bogomils, making them targets of attacks from both Orthodox Serbs and Catholic Hungarians. In Albania, Sufi orders (tekkas and tariqas) played a major role.

By the 12th century—after five centuries of Islamic rule—only about half of this region's population was Muslim. As I mentioned earlier, the main wave of Islamization occurred after the Crusades and the Mongol invasions, through the militarization of Islamic states

[Just_Ken]

The main islamiztion occured with the early muslim comquests. The majority of then Christian lands got taken over by Islam.

[exitseven]

yes, I heard this a couple of weeks ago.