Why is dating so brutal for guys?

[Anonymous]

But a lot easier for women

[Anonymous]

This question has been asked countless times on here.

The only ones who win in dating are those who are attractive.

If you're having such a hard time, you're not that attractive to who you are going after.

[Asker]

That's the thing. Average looking and even below average looking men are unattractive to average and even below average looking women. Women date up. Men date where they can

[Opinion Owner]

Here's the truth about both sexes. Women want hot guys, men want hot women. (at least hot to them) Doesn't matter how you slice it or dice it. Doesn't matter who ranks where.

Average women will hold off on average men because they can F*ck better. The hot guy is going to have a dry spell and he will get with the average or below average woman to pass time.

Men are not choosing to date where they are. The only reason why men date where they are is because they have little to no chance to get better. They have no choice because of lack of options. If hot girls came down to average guys to hand out sex, average guys would hold off on average women because they have a chance to sleep with better.

The reason why hot guys do it and not hot women is because guys want sex more and more often than women do. Men hand it out much more than women do.

If you're male or female and you describe your partner as "average" you do not find your partner to be that attractive. That's why average women aren't getting with average men so quickly, the attraction isn't there.

[Asker]

They try and get with those average men later but those average men don't want them and want to date the younger women. It's a cycle. But just because she's average, doesn't mean i can't be attracted to her looks. See men & women are not the same when it comes to dating and attraction. Men can describe a girl as average looking and still be attracted to her. We don't have to describe her as hot to be atteacted. Men and women also use different dialogue. Women are generally sensitive in how they say things. Men generally are not. And yeah women fuck who they want, men fuck who they can. That's nothing new. The thing though is that women call men shallow & picky & that's hilarious considering women only sleep with the top 20%. Men are attracted to all kinds of women. Id argue men have a much wider range of what they find attractive compared to women. Women seem to be one dimensional which is fine. Just stop calling men shallow or picky. Men don't unrealistic standards on women

[Opinion Owner]

They get with those average men later because of lack of options. Everyone is dating based on their options. If the average man passes on the average woman for the younger one then, it should be fine for the average woman to pass on the average man. It's options.

I didn't say men couldn't be attracted to an average woman. I'm saying the attraction isn't that high. I'd sure hate it if my boyfriend described me as average.

Guys could be into butts and see a nice butt on a woman who looks like a donkey and still get horny. For women, it takes a lot more than that.

Both sexes F who they can. Neither sexes can F people that don't want to F them.

Women want relationships. Sex is a win for men. Relationships are wins for women.

The top 20% of men do not respect women who let any and every guy sleep with them. Most women want a man who's attractive to them and who is also successful. The problem is these men are very few and far in between. Guys are attracted to a boob size, a cute face, and a nice ass (example). There's so many women out there who fit this. Your pool is a lot bigger than ours. If 50% of guys were attractive and successful then we would be screwing 50 % of you. The top 20% is what a lot of women are attracted to and turns them on sexually. It sucks to hear but it is the truth.

Both sexes, in my opinion, are shallow and picky. Again, if your options allow you to be shallow and picky then pick away. You have those options.

[Asker]

The thing though is that a man wouldn't pass up the average if he options. He'd obviously choose the hot one first but he'd still go after the average one too. Let's put it like this. If a girl had a threesome, she'd want two hot guys. If a guy had a threesome, he'd obviously want the hot ones but if you offer him a hot one & average one at the same time, he's not gonna turn down neither. And no i can't stand this well men do it too stuff. Men and women are different in the way we think. And hey at least he ain't calling you ugly. And yeah there's a lot of those women out there but 2 things. 1. Men are attracted to all kinds of women. As i just said earlier. Women don't need big boobs or ass. 2. Those women don't want the bottom 80%. Your average looking guy can't get anywhere. And again here's the thing. Women can chase the top 20%. At least you're honest about that. But stop saying men are shallow. If they are, they're not nearly as shallow as women. And you're allowed to be shallow. No one is saying you can't. But i can observe and see how dating actually works & how brutal it can be for men. Make virginity numbers are rising & a lot of men realize they're in the bottom 80%. 5 years from now it's going to be the 90/10 rule.

[Opinion Owner]

That's what I am trying to explain to you. Men are easily sexually turned on. Women are not! Most average men do not sexually charge women, hot men do. An average woman can sexually charge a man because there's things about her that are still a turn on to him. Most average men cannot sexually charge a woman. Most of them are not fit, not tall, not good looking, or not successful. These are things that turn women on. Our chances of getting 3 out of the 4 are slim but then again if we get 3 out of the 4 he's not average. Were lucky if we get one paired with a good personality.

But back to men choosing the hot one and the average one. Sure, he will choose both. The more the merrier for men. Most men will take as many women as they can get. Numbers don't play against men, but the more men women rack up plays against them. But when it comes to a relationship, the hot one is getting picked over the average one. The average one would get picked only if the hot one has a flaw the man doesn't like. Like she's crazy or something.

The big boobs and ass was an example. But saying a man will chose a hot woman and an average one proves my point.

Nah, if I'm dating someone and they say I'm average to them, I'd rather be by myself. I want to be with someone who finds me more attractive than that.

If the top 20% of men are successful and/or attractive. Then that means what's left are unattractive and unsuccessful men. If you say men can find an average woman attractive then that means men are dating amongst women where there is some attraction there. That's not the case for women. If what's left is unsuccessful and unattractive... there is no attraction there for most women.

Regardless of the numbers, you cannot force women to be attracted to what they are not attracted to.

[Asker]

I didn't say anything about forcing women to be attracted to average men. You're just adding your own stuff to the mix. And then you being honest and admitting that the 80/20 rule is right. Thank you for that. a lot of women deny it or act like it's not true. It's very real. I'm a blackpiller & the point of the black pill is not about entitlement or owed anything. It's just the belief that looks and genetics are very very important factor for women and that a lot of men aren't going to make the cut. Now of course a guy shouldn't just immediately jump to the black pill if he's done nothing. But if all his efforts and improvements aren't paying off and he's still failing, then the black pill is there. It's nihilstic to normies and blue pillers but the black pill is truth and truth hurts. But it doesn't teach that they should be bitter or angry. Me writing this question wasn't me being angry. It was simply pointing out that women gaslight men and tell them that their personalities or attitudes are the main reason they can't attract a women. People just dont want to be politically inccorect and tell a guy it's his looks. But a lot of men already know this. But back to the black pill, it teaches men that the dating world is brutal and not sunshine & rainbows and that they either need to learn to try & adapt or just not play the game at all & focus on other things in life that will bring their life more meaning. But the media will tell you that the black pill and certain philosophies are bad and are full of incels blah blah blah. I don't expect the media which is blue pilled to say anything else so it's what I'd expect them to say. But the black pill is not bad. It just makes men realize how things actually work in dating and the sexual market

[Asker]

more meaning to their life*

[Opinion Owner]

I actually don't believe in the 80% 20% mumbo jumbo. I'm just going along with your numbers to place men. Most men on here think women ignore 80% of men so instead of arguing about it in a back and forth forever, lets just go with it.

And no, I was not implying you when I said that. I am saying that to men who are complaining about women ignoring 80% of men. Complaining is not going to make them be attracted to those guys.

Yes I know. Those who are taking the pills always bring up the 80%-20% thing. By the way taking the pills was a joke. I'm not actually saying you take pills.

You may not be angry but you're a little something. Those who are in the pickings don't care about stuff like this, those who aren't do.

[Asker]

That's fine. We can agree to disagree. But the black pill is growing in popularity more & more. All its doing is waking up men. But i don't care hostile behaviour towards women. Because you're basically being mad at women for something that's hardwired and programmed into humans. There's nothing wrong with chasing whoever you want

[Nagahime]

Dating is brutal for both genders, aren't they? I mean yess, women have an easier time getting guys, but don't they both still deal with the bad luck of landing shitty, abusive partners?

[Asker]

If you're landing a shitty partner, that doesn't make it hard. You get somewhere. a lot of guys don't. There's good men out there. They're just invisible to women

[Anonymous]

The more simping a person does, the more brutal dating becomes...

[Tyson_Reckford]

Dating is easiest for hot looking people of either sex.

[Asker]

An average women and an average man pursue people to find a partner. Who's gonna have the better chances?

[Tyson_Reckford]

The hot guy who pumps her and dumps her.

[Asker]

That's not what i asked

[caitycat21]

Dating definitely isn’t easy for women. I can ask my mom that. Just because women have more opportunities doesn’t mean they have good opportunities? Many are forced to have to take out the liars, fakes, etc to find a good guy

[Asker]

You're a kid. Not gonna even debate a kid on this

[Anonymous]

Guys make it complicated. It is actually very simple.

[Asker]

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[ShatteringRedGalore]

I think girls can be more picky

[Iron_Man]

It's always that way