Has karma caught up to women? They're upset that men no longer approach them, yet weren't they the ones complaining about men being horrible people?
Women are more single than ever desperate for companions on dating apps, speed dating, and bars. There's was a time when men tolerated the rejection, and now men no longer bother. So, who is to blame?
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I personally don't mind being pursued by a man and approached publicly if he's the "Right Man". Men should be the initiators they're supposed to lead.
A large percentage of women are single and this will only increase by 2030. Who is to blame : men or women? And why?
Well number one not all women are the same so saying “Karma has caught up to women” isn’t fair to women like yourself who aren’t narcissistic.
Some people quite frankly are single because they haven’t found the right person yet. So they don’t waste their own time or anyone else’s and are happier being single even if they eventually WANT someone they don’t NEED someone. I would rather be with someone who genuinely wants me then needs me for something. Because once the need is gone they leave.
Number one many of the men who will approach especially a random woman are not the type of men you want. Especially with online dating now those who want simple no strings attached hookups are online or appprxjing random women. The other half? Men who are desperate who can’t really get anyone. Maybe sone men approach random women for something serious.
But men who have a lot of options generally have a lot of women even throwing themselves at them. They have a lot of options… They don’t need to approach some rando out there frankly and are even usually cautious who they approach. The more lean towards wanting someone they already built a connection with and really like.
A pretty face is a dime a dozen. Someone who he genuinely is interested in isn’t.
uuuuuuuggggghhh... I mean girls did it all with their votes, unreal expectations, choices, et cetera versus men do it all because women are currently all shooting for the top 5%5 which gives them abundance mindset as well and they treat women as disposable while the rest of the ignored men don't matter anyways, but that 5% treats them like shit... so fuck all men and they're all shit... am I right?
I don't want to blame women though. They are not trained to make choices with logic, and the system that manipulates their choices are created by mostly men. But I will have to account for girl math and their choices being in charge of shit and the results are what they are.
I don't want to blame women, but I have to. And I already know... bla bla bla, I'm wrong because bla bla bla, men bad, and I'm mansplaning or some bullshit like that.
The women are being shaped and what they've been shaped into isn't working.
Some younger women are chasing unicorns, 6’4”, millionaire, flawless jawline and swiping past guys who would actually make incredible partners. Dating apps and social media feed that fantasy, which there are way more men than women on dating apps by the way.
But the bigger picture is that women as a whole stopped settling. They stopped tolerating disrespect, control issues, and low effort disguised as “I’m a nice guy.” The men who bring actual quality, emotional maturity, respect, stability, etc still find relationships. The men who don’t, either retreat or get bitter online. And the same goes for women. I’m approached by fine gentlemen to this day even though I’ve been off the market for 20 years. I still believe that good people know how to attract good people.
Other than that, if anything, there’s more of a market correction happening here than it is about karma. Women are filtering smarter, some are chasing fantasy, and a lot of men just don’t want to adapt.
Just so we are clear, not every women wants men to fail and ignores his advances. There’s still plenty of women who love guys company and wants to be in a relationship without all the extra expectations some have set towards men.
Luckily I’m married now, but just know there’s still women out there who do want men.
The real culprit is feminism, which actually started with the Industrial Revolution. Mother Nature built males and females for one purpose, to procreate and continue the human species. Up until the Industrial Revolution, that's what most people did. Males got females pregnant and females had babies.
With the Industrial Revolution, and the rise of feminism, those simple roles changes. Both males and females could work and have careers. New philosophies emerged that emphasized that males and females could be more than sexual bodies. Whether that's good or bad is up for debate, nut the results are obvious: a declining birth rate, with most western countries having a birth rate below the magic 2.1 number to maintain a stable population.
If someone is single, it’s up to them to take the initiative, and that’s the same for men and women. I blame someone who doesn’t and/or keeps relying on the same methods that aren’t working for them.
The advent of only social life has turned many into self centred egotistical fragile bumpkins. Too many folk have gotten their thrills from online or impersonal sources. The adrenalin and dopamine delivery through screens and apps is off the charts and folk are more attached to their online profile than their physical one these days.
Women's liberation has meant that economically everyone got screwed because the rich and powerful got a massive influx of keen, enthusiastic, motivated by the movement workers and didn't increase the number of opportunities so wages got stiffed, productivity and profit went up and security and opportunity diminished. It was harder to keep and progress in work because now there was 40% more people competing for the work (the capitalists behind the movement were well chuffed).
This meant that economic parity became more common between guys and girls but the cultural psyche of women seeking men to provide didn't reset to find a partner. Therefore guys who have that little bit more (capitalists) lapped it up and got all the attention from newly minted girls hitting up the ladder (the guys equal and lower became invisible). The playing themselves out of the market is a reality for some women who still have the economic provider mindset of a partner as there's a risk a man not as high worth would feel emasculated by their success and not commit.
Blame isn’t really the right word—this is more about shifts in culture, expectations, and priorities.
Both sides have changed:
Women are more independent, educated, and selective. Many would rather be single than settle. Men are pulling back too—some due to rejection fatigue, others because they feel unappreciated or confused by modern dating rules. It’s less “karma” and more two groups adapting differently. The dating landscape is evolving, and not everyone’s on the same page.
I feel like at least in the US it's more the women's fault I mean they were the ones saying men were monsters and horrible people and that we should just leave them be and men basically were like ok we ain't gonna have nothing to do with you.
Now I will say there were probably a small percentage of men were didn't help things and enflamed things and made them worse so I won't say the blame is squarely on women.
Social media is probably the true culprit though as any whack job can get online and influence millions of people for the worse.
This is honestly very true. I don’t have that hive mind mentality so I’m not going to defend women at all cost like most women do. It’s absolutely mostly women’s fault and it makes it difficult for the good girls and women out there. While neither side is blameless, the percentage of extremely toxic, hate filled, deranged women in America is so high that it’s seriously embarrassing.
The birth control pill, feminism, social media and online attention women are showered with, no fault divorce (a woman can just say "I'm not happy", unilaterally end the marriage contract and still be rewarded monetarily and get alimony... she can actually cheat and often get financially get rewarded), the culture push that college, career, travel is what is most fulfilling in life and that having a family is bondage, oppression, a wasted life (this was mainly pushed by feminists).
All of these combined for decades has led us to where things are.
Women are relationship terminators and give little value now.
The medium 50 %tile of marriage length is 8 years. Curiously close to the time it takes to have 1.8 children and get them into elementary school. Women overwhelmingly initiate divorce unilaterally at 70% with only 10% of men unilaterally divorcing.
At empty nest divorce is 30% so about 80% of marriages are wife terminated.
The only value women provide to men now is vagina time and men can't afford to be in relationships with them anymore. Not if we want to keep all our own assets.
With recent legislative changes I cannot afford to be in a relationship for two years plus.
When relationships were for lifetimes it was worth putting in effort but not now that you have to get out in less than 730 days.
The last 50 years, women have told men they don't want them, they don't need them, see them as useless and pointless, have weaponized the justice system to make false claims of serious crimes like rape and sexual assault against men, have spouted off all sorts of incredibly anti-male rhetoric, and have told men not to approach them.
It also didn't help when Me Too was taken as far as it was to put innocent men into the crossfire and other movements like 4B, along with saying "we choose the bear." The genuinely bad dudes aren't gonna care and still approach you, anyways. The men you actually need and want see all this nasty and hateful rhetoric and other men having their lives ruined by scornful women, and they wajt nothing to do with it.
I dunno why people are blaming men here, they're just responding the safest and best way they know how.
You can't have the cookie and eat it. It can't be both feminism telling men that masculine traits are "toxic" and traditional roles where men actually approach and court a woman. The poison of third wave feminism which has linked hand with the chaos of woke politics has ruined dating completely and turned quite an alarming number of women into self-absorbed, vain, disdainful and deluded people. While also pushing many young men into despicable, vain and ego-centered "alpha male" nonsense like the kind "fresh and fit" spews.
It's both men and women. It's never an issue with just one sex, the dating pool is horrendous on both ends. But I'm sure that another piece of the picture is that women aren't as compliant and submissive as they were in the past. Men kinda stay stagnant in overall attitude toward dating I'd imagine, while women's ideas on feminism, love, and sex change constantly decade to decade. Which I guess is a double edged sword depending on who you ask.
@Ariesman81 Yes that is the word I used, and those are it's synonyms. Because men always had the upper hand in the dating world. So they never had to compromise or change. Unlike women, where political/societal changes shift how they feel towards those things at any given time period.
@Ariesman81 You're making assumptions, I never said men needed to change, I'm just stating why things are the way they are. Whether change needs to be done is up to the individual man. At least a man who's dating.
I was asking you to clarify your position. But based on what you're saying, the dating scene is horrendous (agreed), men are stable (just sounds better), women use to be compliant and submissive (attractive), and women are good at adapting. Is it fair to say then that if women give men the upper hand, the dating scene would improve?
@Ariesman81 I can see where this is headed, I'm assuming you're trying to debate with me now (maybe that was always your intention). Regardless let's leave the conversation at a point where we both agree. The dating scene is horrendous. Case closed.
Nobody’s to blame here. This shift largely reflects how women have gained real financial and personal independence, unlike in the past when marriage was often an economic necessity. Today many women don’t need to rely on a partner to support them, and they can take their time choosing someone who truly fits their life and values. It’s part of broader societal changes, sometimes called the “Second Demographic Transition” where individual autonomy, higher education, and career goals are prioritized over early marriage. So rather than faulting men or women, it's just how economic and cultural norms have evolved.
Feminism is the problem. The “me too” movement along with trust all women makes it very difficult for men to pursue a woman. In today’s world if you complement a woman, you’re sexual predator. And women actually don’t understand why men don’t pursue?
I don't think it can succinctly be blamed on one group or event. But women have much more sexual selection power, so if they are single it's by choice. You can either blame that on there being a lack of men who are viable suitors (which women do) or blame it on women being too picky (which men do). Who knows the real answers.
The Marxist idealogy and movement known as feminism is continously ruining relations between men and women.. Also the counter movements as a result of feminism.. The internet is much worse than real life, but it's definitely spreading through there as well.. While young women seem to be in relationships much more, it'll be there to bite them as well..
Everyone is fundamentally just trying to get what they want. Women definitely can get endless casual sex, if they want. But a lot of them want something more serious. Guys probably want both. The issue for guys is that there is so much competition, that for a lot of guys the odds are not super good.
Who is to blame? The media. Also Youtube and Tiktok to a lesser extent. Media in general has given people grossly unrealistic expectations of what they could legitimately achieve in terms of a partner... to the point where an alarming number of people will straight up reject even above-average candidates in their absurd quest for perfection... ... and by the time they realise it isn't working out, it is often too late.
A lot of things. Society at large. Absurd expectations on both sides. Divorce laws. Too much time with faces in screens rather than talking with others directly. For a lot of guys, porn has become a replacement for genuine connection. Many more.
This is a societal problem. Women like to blame the patriarchy for everything. I like to think if the patriarchy was real we wouldn't be in this mess now. If women weren't financially independent they would soon pair up with a suitable male. That was the old system and it worked exceptionally well. Women also were available to bring up their own kids, which meant there was less mental illness.
I’m not sure it’s karma per se. I think it’s because woman today shame men for pursuing them and the men are responding accordingly. Why would any man want to continue pursuing a woman who just called him a creep for simply asking her name?
It's quite obviously the fault of women , men are supposed to pursue and vigorously , all this has been taken away from most men , and women are ending up , very single , very lonely.
There has been an increase in sexism in the past two decades and it's reached a point where men no longer feel like approaching women and women try their hardest to convince themselves that they don't need or want men.
Maybe blame is the wrong word, I was just going with the wording of the original question. But yes if they are single by choice then they themselves are certainly the reason they are single.
Guys be looking for holemates, instead of soulmates. They dump the pure women saving themselves until Marriage who are Marrige Material. Guys cannot wait until Marriage to get laid & have fun. They like to be with multiple women.
Most women these days (especially those under 35) don't want to be approached by any guy who they don't find attractive. Guys are supposed to be psychic now and just automatically know if a woman finds them attractive.
Is this an official statistic that you quote? I don't think that women will ever suffer from being single. Not the average to attractive range at least.
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women have the vast majority of power in the dating market
more power = more responsibility and more responsibility = more blame
@womderingmanll I feel like most women ruined it for the rest of us ladies who are traditional. The Meet too, mysandry, I wanna be a man and pro abortion behavior has been sickening. The marching to support baby killing did it me where I'm like wow now men are going to see us as irresponsible baby killing brainless whores.
@carolinacutie5 you are very upset over this. I understand. I've been single my whole life cause I can't measure up to the female standards. After 13 years of trying to figure it all out, I finally just had to give up.
CarolinaCutie5 ... I agree 👍🏼💯 ... It's not just that, it's the collective stance of society that's being adopted more and more. Women are the pillar of society that keeps it standing, destroy that and the walls come crumbling down. Intentionally done!
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