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Typically, when industries are separated on (up for debate) the natural strengths of each gender, the compensation for the "work" that men do dwarfs the work women do. Take example the difference between male industries such as engineering, software, business. these require a bachelors degree. I can list several female dominated industries with the same level of education (bachelors) that are disproportionately paid less: teaching, social work, therapist, nurse.
So I don't think that separating the genders will necessarily mean that the contributions done by the different genders are more equal. If anything, it just perpetuates the ideal "women should find a man who earns more and they should be grateful and submissive to him." I think having gendered workplaces are more likley to bar women who want the "male" aka also higher paying lines of work. I think making women who want to break out of the gender mold MORE marginalized will infact cause more cases of sexual harrassment.
If more women flood traditionally male workplaces, then that means they are more likely to be able to change the status quo about what is an isn't acceptable behavior. Of course men in the industry will see it as an attack on how things were done, and they can get over themselves and realize that not bullying people because you used to be able to is a good thing.
Every work environment has its own ups and downs. I worked in female dominated workplace. And trust me. It’s too tiring. Too much drama! And backstabbing too! If you’re lucky, you can find one or two girlfriends, that’s the case for me. They got jealous of me because I’m young, single, and looked better than most of them 😝. (This is just my intuition but I think they could guess my salary roughly and it’s higher than most of them, fyi: I was a newcomer back then. Because I’m the only one who can do that job in the entire workplace. So that’s given honestly. They just get jelly baselessly.)
Anyway, I lasted for 2 years in that place. Can’t stand it anymore. I’m an introvert person so I prefer being alone than mingling with those fake backstabbing bitches. Maybe eat together and hang out with my 2 close friends from time to time. That’s one of the reason I can bear spending 2 years in that place.
I also ever worked in male dominated place. No sex assault at all. MUCH less drama for sure. And sometimes I got nice privilege for being a woman. Oh, I’m also a bit boyish so I get along with the men just fine.
So, if you asked me, male or female dominated place? I definitely choose male dominated place. Hope this helps.
I can relate to you!!
When my career started, practically everything men used to do in the office would have been called sexual harassment today. I mean a man could actually pinch a girls butt and that was considered normal! Guys said sexual things to girls all the time.
Later, things changed and I think it went too far the other way. I mean you weren't even supposed to notice that women are women. Common... that's ridiculous.
Both extremes are ridiculous.
A lot of this craziness is driven by lawyers. I've seen many sexual harassment lawsuits in the companies I worked for that were complete BS. I'm sure there are some of them that are legitimate, but many are just someone looking for a big payday.
My boss once was sued. She lost. I was a witness and I know first hand she lied about at least part of it.
If they treat others with respect, everyone should be treated with respect in the workplace (and everywhere else). Save the personal stuff for outside the office. All that matters to me is how well you do your job. I don't care whether you are a man, a woman, black, white, brown or a martian. That's the way it should be everywhere. Unfortunately, a lot of people who are poor at their job don't get the promotions, or get fired and then try to blame it on discrimination and get a big payday. That's what society has come to.
Immorality >> Being a good person
I wish I could give you a MHO if I'm able to.
Thank you. :-)
I have been in both, let me tell you, i would rather work for and with men.. Less drama. Less cattiness. Less home life bleeding into the work place. When i worked where i was literally the only guy, the rest were women, i was expected to take feelings into consideration with everything i said and did... Sorry, no, im there to work, not make you feel good about your self. Or i was simply treated like garbage by them, plus i never had any idea what was expected of me.. Working with men on the other hand everything was always laid out, simple, Drama free, and no back stabbing or cattiness..
Its like the one single time i had a female boss.. She had a habit of touching me, Literally no one else on the team did this, just her. i HATE being touched unless its by my wife.. Being touched makes me sick to my stomach and makes my skin crawl. I asked her politely one time to not touch me because it made me uncomfortable.. 10 minutes later she called a team meeting loudly telling everyone that i should be left alone because i dont like being touched. Embarrassing the hell out of me. Later she made several passes at me, hitting on me. I reported it to HR. Sexual harassment.. But i was fired less than a day after i reported it.. No never again will i work for a female boss.
@worldscolide Disgusting behaviour by her. She knew that she had leverage over you because she was using her female card. I hope you found a better place.
oh i definitely did.. I haven't worked for that company in more than 10 years.
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Oh I'd rather work with men for sure. I've worked in both situations, i worked in a bakery that was mostly women and was immediately struck by how my trainer showed me on the first day that there was a crying area because of how much yelling, back stabbing, nd drama there was.
I've worked with almost all men as well, the only other woman was my manager and she was almost like a dude herself. Now I will say there were more crude jokes that sometimes were pretty funny but sometimes you just had to roll your eyes, however I'd rather deal with a few crude jokes (that were never about me mind you, they were never anything but perfect gentleman and respectful towards me) than being screamed at, and and talked about behind my back any day.
Nice response!
I worked in engineering for many years, and also construction. Both are heavily male.
In construction the only women were the girlfriends and wives who came by every now and then. There were zero women working anywhere I worked.
In engineering, the women were mostly or entirely in another part of the building. If they were in the same part of the building, it was never an issue.
When I was young I worked in several restaurants with a lot of women. There was a lot of hanky panky going on. It went both ways. If there were any unwanted advances, they just dealt with it. They didn't scream sexual harassment every time someone looked at them. I don't think the term sexual harassment had even been invented yet.
Wow, I was in engineering in university but just first year, I dropped out because I didn't like it. And the women were just starting to dominate it because of Women in STEM movements. The women spent more time over that (empowering women) while the guys seemed to actually do the work. But it was still majority males in engineering, and the females didn't like it, it was SEXIST.
The only time I worked with a lot of females, I didn’t like it. I guess it wasn’t so much that there were a lot of females, but the females in my department had all the power. Our team consisted of two women and three men. Our team leader was a female and she ran the department with an iron fist. Then, their was another female, that sucked up to the female leader and as a result, our female team leader made her second in command. We essentially had a hyena social structure. I was new to that department and didn’t know much. I wanted to learn new responsibilities but the team leader kept me down and would only allow me to do crappy stuff like shred papers or file. I eventually moved to another department.
Shit, that's reversed.
Hmmm, in the majority run female workplace, on a farm and in a retail atorexnive had good experiences honestly. The boss was a hard worker and she wasn't a pushover and took no sass from customers and employees. I loved it. Some may have said she was a btich, hut she was a businesswoman. She wasn't there to be buddies all the time and she was blunt. Which isn't a bad thing.
With majority run workplace with men, they were also very nice nsn to me. They have each other shit and used to joke a lot, but they were also hard workers.
There was atlwast one coworker in both that was a douche bag and caused drama, but there is a high possibility for that in any job.
Either way, both where good and because Im a hard worker who is constant and is very bubbly and nice. I never had any issues.
I definitely prefer working in an all male workplace.
In the majority female workplaces I've worked in there tends to be a lot of cattiness. A lot of the guys tend to act like the women also. You have to be a lot more careful about what you say because they get offended easily. There's always someone crying, especially female managers. Never again for me thanks.
In the majority male workplaces I've worked in, with a few women, it's less like that. The women who work in these places tend to be less easily offended and more likely to join in with the banter. There's less cattiness in general.
In all male workplaces though it's just plenty of fucking around with each other, we really rip into each other, but it's all funny and not really meant. If there's any problem men are also more straight-forward, they'll give it to you straight. No passive-aggressive bullshit. It might end with a few "fuck yous" but it's good.
In my workplace, I think the female managers before quit because they couldn't handle it, and the male managers were fired because they were "creepy" or had anger issues.
That's the thing. In the places where there were mostly men, and there were a few women, there was none of that. Guys would make sexual comments towards the women and they'd just joke back about it and have a laugh. Then if an argument got heated people we'd have the argument and then get over it. That's the main difference I think, sensitivity.
Yes I agree. Even in school, I noticed in my college, it's mostly female so it's been much more sensitive than normal ugh.
I've done both and I prefer majority male.
When it was majority male you had a lot of abuse thrown at you but it was expected that you would give it back. It was all good natured untill it wasn't and you had a one on one talk that never got to management
When it was majority female it was all polite and professional but you didn't feel like you could trust anyone. You were alway careful of what you should say and didn't feel comfortable being candid. Sometimes you didn't know there was a problem untill you were infront of management.
This is my personal experience of course and maybe it's the fact that my female majority jobs have always been corporate jobs.
Ugh I had females backstab me and they were polite to my face.
I have mostly worked on my own but in restaurant work - the guys took EVERYTHING as flirting. So I had to watch every word.
there was one snotty girl but I don’t suffer fools so it wasn’t a problem for me. I liked the guys well enough I really did, but it was Relief when it was only women. Only bc I didn’t have to watch my words or facial expressions. But otherwise I like a mix.
also place I used To get my hair dyed, ALL over 60 y/o women and they were HILARIOUS... Very nice but old school Sweet gossiping— it was funny like a sit com. And I had to be CERY careful to only talk about stuff tust I didn’t mind the universe hearing About , you know “ “ Just between us girls 😉 “😂😂 never trust that sentence.
When MrMr Was a baby, ( my parrot 🦜) used to love going there bc the atmosphere was so chill and he loved slowing off with such a receptive doting audience that he didn’t feel he had to cock block. (very protective)
You're a really nice person, so I can understand what you said about having to be extra careful. Since you exude positivity naturally.
@Jamie05rhs
I tend to be very friendly with people I don't know if I have no reason not to be And yeah for some reason this gets easily mistaken for flirting.. but otherwise they were great. I have never had any personality issue with anyone I worked with except you know one or two Karen’s or kens. 💁🏻♀️😊
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I've worked in both situations where it was mostly men or mostly women. Out of the two I found that the women gossiped more. In the mostly male groups, men would get right in your face and bitch about you. With women, they would do it behind your back.
If I had to choose, I would prefer to work with mostly women.
Really? I hate being talked in front my back. I got bullied by both girl and boys when I was younger, the boys would tell it to my face which was better than being gossiped about.
@modelun242
I was always afraid of getting hit in the face by men. They would yell with clenched fists. I would much rather have someone bitch about me behind my back. At least they aren't going to hit me.
I'd rather work in a predominantly male workplace. They're more fun to talk to most of the time and don't cause unnecessary drama at work. Whenever I work with too many females, its just gossip gossip gossip and drama between one girl and the other girl who she HATES and man I just can't deal with it. I get along with everybody, even if I don't like them I'll find a way. Never had that problem with guys.
I agree, men shut down the drama.
I prefer a male environment because men talk less and don’t bother with chit chat which I don’t like (being autistic).
Women talk far too much for the sake of talking, and I’ve found that women ‘generally’ bitch about each other which is a big no no for me. Live and let live!
I hate too much talking. I'm very introverted so I can relate.
I've worked in both, at an extremely specific level, and the difference was actually very surprising.
My boss was the only other one in the workplace regularly. I worked with him, then for a while with him and a boy, then for a while with him and a woman.
Looking back the differences were drastic, but certainly not isolated, as other things were going on as well.
But generally, when it was mostly males it was just manual work, and tasks were given frequently and changed depending on what needed done at the moment. When it was mostly females, there was also emphasis on improving the workplace, and there were more planned out tasks/objectives for the day.
I'm sure this was mainly due to the specific men and women involved, but it was a big difference.
Oh, and I preferred the female majority, because it was harder to do all the tasks quickly and with quality when I was always switching from one to another. And I didn't like having to always ask what I should do next, because then it seemed like I didn't know how to do my own job. And things were just more organized and the small stuff went more smoothly when the woman was there as well (although obviously there were drawbacks too).
frustrating working with women as most are completely incompetent in the workplace. I can't begin to tell you how many dingbats and airheads I had to deal with from receptionists to banktellers to customer service people who were complete stoonods. it makes my work even more frustrating when dealing with women. or if they have the I don't want to be bothered by you attitude which I've had on a few occasions at some doctor offices by some receptionists or call center customer service women. dealing with guys in the work place is much easier and less frustrating. of course you'll always get that one prick guy in customer service but majority of the time it's easier to deal with a guy then it is a woman in the workforce.
HR women and admin, office hags are the most angry, nasty bitches I've ever encountered. I try emailing them to avoid contact. Yeah true. I also had women backstab me or tattletale on me. Guys are usually helpful and chill.
@modelun242
I've also had both men and women tattletale on me to the supervisor. What's worse, the supervisor believed them at face value. She didn't even ask me for my perspective.
The men do all the heavy lifting and hard work, girls do nothing but walk around real slow with their hands empty and hanging at their sides, all they do is complain about work, even though they don't do any, and socialize with each other and go on bathroom breaks to play with their phones.
Where do you work? That's ridiculous. I'm a dishwasher at a retirement home, and it's pretty physically demanding, but I don't complain. I don't want to be seen as a weak woman.
This was back when I worked at a grocery store. All the dudes worked in the back warehouse building pallets and making bales and carrying heavy shit all day. All the workers in the front were wee, wispy girls. Even when they were forced to work, they were as slow as DMV workers. I remember once seeing a girl sweep up the floor around the baler, just about 20 square feet of floor, sweeping up dust and paper particles, but she literally took about ten minutes to do it, every movement was so listless, like she was in a trance or something. I've never seen anyone sweep so slowly, it was like she could barely, barely, barely even do it. Then she went to the bathroom for about half an hour and came out and said, "God, I hate this! This day is going so SLOW!" and she wandered up to the front to chat with her girlfriends. Meanwhile, myself and other dudes were all busy hustling and bustling to try and get shit squared away before the doors opened.
Unbelievable.
Women always complicated things where I worked.
I have hooked up with like half of the women I have worked with.
Also they can be passive aggressive when ordered to do something
I think women work well in certain roles. However working in all male environment has been better for me. Because we can talk shit and joke around without anyone getting offended
Wow, you hooked up with them, that deserves a medal. I heard guys complaining how working with women made them become the targets for false assault claims, but you are clever lol.
Yeah, actually, I was going to do a job in the trades but I realized that I wouldn't be able to work in a male-dominated environment and the environment was pretty dirty. So I picked Fine Arts instead.
I’ve been in both situations. When it’s most women vs one man, the women try to be friends with him and include him in everything. At least what I’ve seen.
And when it’s all men vs one woman (me in this case), the overly confident guys (aka the douchebags) try to impress you by acting cattier and bitchier than you towards other guys (to “impress” you? no clue), and the chill guys turn very shy and more introverted.
All male workplaces are more relaxing. Women are to easily triggered and catty.
When a female is introduced into an all male environment, the entire atmosphere needs to change.
As a male in an all female environment, you are essentially marked. Everything you say and do is watched and scrutinized. The gossip and cattiness is never ending.
The fake friendly bullshit is painful.
@elisa_0 no the environment changes because men have to watch everything they say and do out of fear that they’re going to be falsely accused of some bullshit has nothing to do with them trying to impress her.
I can imagine like an attractive female walking into an all-male engineering company, and the atmosphere just changing, and them getting distracted by her. And the wrong thing said would be gone straight to HR.
Exactly... “the wrong thing you said would go straight to HR”
This is exactly why women in a male environment ruins the environment.
Men talk shit to each other and no one gets all stupid about it... you put a female in the mix and one overhears two dudes talking and because SHE is offended, they now get in shit?
Both men & women were great co-workers, some women could handle jokes like men do.
CUSTOMERS are what will get you. The rude bastards are unbelievable!
The fast food industry especially.
I worked with 3 girls at my first job. Was awful. I did most of the hard work (lifting boxes, stocking shelves, freezer work, etc.) and they kept taking days off and leaving early because of period stuff. They also all got paid more than me.
I always work on my period, they're not an excuse. It's weak women like them who give a bad name to females.
And exercising on your periods can ease the cramping.
I'm sorry but I always used to work except on my birthday. But I had to take a personal day for the first day of my period once. That was the first it was the heaviest and most painful thing I've ever experienced. I have PCOS but at that point I thought I had endometriosis I was vomiting with it too.
My female boss was very inconsiderate.
Tried to tell me period pain was nothing, that I was making things up when I returned. She had her period and bled out on to the chair then changed her trousers, this was her way of showing me that I was making an excuse. But I simply told her you don't understand the level of stress I'm under. This was not normal for me.(my father was fighting for his life after having a stroke) when I spoke to my Gp, he was deeply concerned because I was going through a lot. I generally internalise my stress. And it seems this was the release after not having a period for 4 months. Since I left that place I've been happier and so much better physically too. Ugh! Some people aren't lying but as a woman of a colleague that does this every month or close to it, I'd suggest she seek medical investigations because this is not normal behaviour. But you have to be careful as this could be taken to the tribunal.
@lilyanony1 That sucks sorry that happened.
I find women to be the most harshest of critics when it comes to other women. Modern society can be an incredibly and increasingly nasty place to be
It's pretty much the same. In both cases, the women received special treatment, get away with more, given the same pay for less work or effort. This did not apply to all, but the majority.
I worked at Disney World when I was a teen and I got in trouble for a girl hitting on me while I was working. I was working and she was flirting, but I got in trouble.
Guys are monkeys, farting, blowing boogers, scratching everything, etc
Yes, all of that is true. Do you view that as good or bad?
Lol it's pretty bad on my construction sites
I'm laughing because I know what its like, but you'd prefer that it be less zany?
Yea man, I'd prefer guys be more civil. I yack everytime I smell one of them farts haha,
Damn, gotcha
@dtegesd123 You should work outside then, so the farts go unnoticed lol.
I do lol, they are that bad !!! 🤮
I'm not sure if it is my social anxiety that makes me uncomfortable to be around my colleagues or if it is because my colleagues are all male or of it is because they're a lot older than me.
I find it hard to make connections in general but with males it is mostly a lot harder.
And these people are in a whole other other phase of life. I do not know what to talk about with these guys.
I like the mixed environment and there could still be sexual harassments in single gender environments because of LGBTQF
did they add MORE letters to their sexual deviancy parade?
@007kingifrit I added the F. I'll let you guess what that means but yes there are more letters now
Here is the latest from Wikipedia: The initialism LGBTTQQIAAP (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, ally, pansexual) has also resulted, although such initialisms are sometimes criticized for being confusing and leaving some people out, as well as issues of placement of the letters within the new title.
Fs in the chat boys/bois : )
You mean gay people sexual harassing the straight people?
@007kingifrit I called it LBTQABCs like some nursery rhyme
It could be gays harassing gays or straights physically or verbally
It could be straights harassing gays or straights by making inappropriate comments about their sexuality.
@sensible27 Welcome Friend
Only ever worked one job that was mostly female, would never want to do it again. Nonstop catty drama and bullshit
Workinm with all guys is so much easier, we get to act like the overgrown kids we really are without having to tiptoe around anyone’s feelings
i work in a majority female field, which is inherent to the humanities. lots of passive aggressive bitch fighting but luckily i'm mostly not part of it. just watching it from the outside, eating my imaginary popcorn as i enjoy the show xD
in germany, the sexual assault bullshit is luckily not so much a thing. people are still mostly sane here.
Lmfaoo " enjoy the show "
@TraceyByrd well it's hilarious and so damn irrational. almost like reality tv.
I bet how pathetic it is it's definitely funny I don't got time for that bullshit but for laughing yea 💯🤭
People like that should be doing their job not acting stupid
@TraceyByrd dude have you ever worked in an office environment? it's the same everywhere. people always have time for office politics drama.
Lmfaooo lord christ what a shame 🤣
Haha shit, that must be entertaining.
That's why I don't want to work in HR, it's probably hell.
i dont mind it. i can easily distance from that shit :D
They're sane about sexual harassment? Are they sane on other issues to? I have heard that they lean to the left at the expense of the majority. Is that accurate?
@SuccessfulHornDog yeah women in general are pretty left leaning.
Sorry, I mean Germany in General, not just women
I work with guys better , just they better not be idiots
@SuccessfulHornDog dude the entire western world is completely overrun by leftists. i would say germany is "relatively" moderate in comparison. and that even despite the fact that the moment you show the slightest bit of right leaning opinion considering foreign politics, people call you a nazi right away.
@TraceyByrd yeah of course. working with guys is less drama and more efficient. since i'm in the humanities, i'm very familiar with the respective research. having a low number of female workers sprinkled in an all male labour force rises productivity by a huge margin. but the closer you get to 50:50 or even more women than men, the less productive it gets.
Its time to fight back because its only getting worse, not better
@SuccessfulHornDog Yeah. This whole corona shit is pure leftist ideology based on statistical bullshit as well. Tomorrow is gonna be the biggest demonstration in Europe planned in Berlin. I'll be there. Time to end this leftist nonsense. The antifa will probably try to violently disrupt the peaceful protest again.
I'm still laughing about the shit u said " getting my pretend popcorn watching the show " 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean imaginery * lmfaoo
Do the police arrest them at least? There is nothing to gain from letting them run amok
@SuccessfulHornDog lol the police enforces it xD
For a period of about 3 years there was only one other guy on our team. When you put a bunch of women together... uffff... it gets ugly quick. They get catty with each other, they would ostrisize any women they did not like , they gossip, they compete for male attention, they cry.
It just gets really ugly really fast.
It's not as bad as I imagined. However it is a bit lonely in some way. Always girl stuff. And all decisions are made in a girls point of view. And why do women bake so much? It's insane. No wonder most of them are overweight.
Haha yeah the HR women or admin women be fat.
Exactly 😂 but I love when I catch them in looking at me. They sure can turn their heads fast 🤣🤣🤣
i work with the military and only see 1 or 2 females around total. Its a fun work environment everyone can say whatever they want, we don't watch our language at all and things get done as they are needed.
I can imagine, cool.
Since i have limited experience ill just share this article from 2009
https://www. dailymail. co. uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-. html
@eyesofgod Holy shit that’s uncivilized, women can be so mean, especially a group of them.
@eyesofgod Lol you did. Shit that's just trashy, geez lol. I'm a tomboy myself so I don't get caught up by that. Ugh, I remember in elementary school, the bitchy girls picked on me probably because I was a loner lol. But in my workplace, I'm working with older women (40, 50-year-olds), so they're better than my last workplace, which was young high school girls.
I never cared about it.
I've been working in a 70% female / 30% male work environment and i never cared or thought about it.
I just like my job. Whats between the legs of my coworkers never interested me.
What is your job?
I have 15 employees. Nine are female, six are male, so technically we are a majority female workplace even though it is male-owned. Employees are higher to do a job, and as long as they do so, it should not matter if their reproductive organs are internal or external.
Both and i liked working with females more honestly because guys are busy flirting with me and translating anything i say into sex or crushing which is so annoying
I work in a male dominated work place & for the most part Have never had much of a problem.
What type of work do you do?
Oh haha, yeah women don't like that.
I think diversity is important and that a mixed environment gets the best out of everyone. I wouldn't want to work with only men, I don't want to be surrounded by only women either.
Female majority, ugh! Bullying bitchiness and all the rest.
I've always worked male dominated jobs, women in the office, men outside, and they've always been way older, I've never worked with women close to my age
Older women are much better, they are less selfish and help you. That's in my experience. I worked with high school girls, when I was in high school, and it was too much giggling, talking, etc.
In the past I have worked with mostly Males now I work with only Females and it's much nicer because they more polite to me, It odviously has its challenges still but still better.
I get along well with guys then female. since I can't even be friends with female since they always see me as threats.
How do you handle them in workplaces.
@ChocoBrownieMonster they are some better they don't really care about a girl that like to work in wood work or in a garden working on planting. yet with one gitl that I knew who do work did bully me while I was at work. I told a member staff about it. it toke a long time to get sort out
I know this sounds strange but I would much rather work with a majority of Females instead of Males just the way I see things
Lol can you elaborate, I'm interested to know.
@modelun242 I get along with Females better
Most of my work is working on my own. But I come across women at their homes. Or offices where they work. I find good fun chatting to them, some come across as flirty, so can a bit more fun...
I worked in a majority female workplace and it’s not that much different than one with majority males.
What is your job?
Some men and women shouldn't be working with others.
I've worked in both i don't see a difference except men don't have their time of the months u know
But I don't like men I hate acting like I'm ok with them, I'm not really good to answer this question lol
depends. Working with young women can be awful.
Majority female is nicer
I wonder how hard just doing your job can be.
Depends on the job
Easy to get distracted by drama
I've experienced both. One is definitely nicer and more welcoming.
Well played with words which Is which
@Aakash_Hangargi A female majority place is better.
I like a healthy mix of both for sure
It are almost all males at my work
What work do you do?
Drama. Too much drama
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