Elliot Page is both stunning and brave. Agree?

[Bat-Perv]

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We all agree So stunning, So brave

[Screenwriter]

Elliot Page, Ellen Page's new name that mirrors his identity as transgender, is a nice looking person and a good actor.
Page came out as gay many years ago. That was brave then.
I have no idea why Page has changed name and gender identification.
I believe it is this new "umbrella" term that covers all kinds of non traditional gender/sexuality identifications.
My definition of what transgender means is a person who is repulsed by their biological body and wishes to have the body and live the life of the opposite sex to what they were born as.
Page doesn't seem to be repulsed by her original body, nor is she taking male sex hormones or having psychological counseling to deal with her body dysmorphia.
Comedian Izzy Izzard has come out as transgender also. Yet Izzard regularly takes acting roles as a man, also has not taken feminizing sex hormones and does not appear to live "as a woman."
That, to me, is what transgender means. Not the fluidity to dress, act and have sex with whomever you wish to if it's nontraditional.
If that's the case, I'M TRANSGENDER. I never wear dresses, unless it's a funeral or a graduation of some kind. I love tools and working on cars and laying sod and repairing my house: painting, weatherboards, plumbing, etc.
I love to curse like a sailor. Because it's fun and naughty. I'm not politically correct. I never want to be.
However, I want to be kind and generous to all people and have them live how they want to live. Some people think these superficial changes make them more fully themselves.

[Screenwriter]

I know who I am. I don't need to change my name or rename my gender or call myself gender fluid.
There are others who feel the need to do this. I'll respect them, even though I feel this is frivolous.
It must be serious to them, so I'll not discount it.

[Ozanne]

I always thought when Elliot was Ellen, he looked kind of boyish anyway. All those shots with the vamped up hair, mid-drift-baring clothing, were all sort of weird to see because I never found *her* (at the time) ultra feminine. They were obviously publicity photo shoots and of course the makeup and wardrobe team went and did their thing - just like they always do with other female celebrities.

So it didn't exactly surprise me. In fact, it sort of suits him better. It might take some getting used to to seeing the female replaced since that's how I would have identified *Ellen*, but he's not stupid, so we'll see what he does next.

[Bat-Perv]

She kinda walked like a man

[Screenwriter]

Walked like "a man." What does that even mean? Didn't take tiny steps in high heeled shoes? Come on. People walk differently ACCORDING to how they're dressed. Page has been in fancy dresses. She didn't wear boots then. As a "he" Page is choosing to not wear dresses or look like a traditional "female." You don't become a MAN because you're making that choice.
This is what I'm balking at. I've got some heels in my closet. I trot them out for funerals and graduationis, as I've said, along with my few dresses.
Daily I wear tennis and high topped boots to do my shoveling, sod laying garden and ladder climbing gutter cleaning work.
Am I a MAN because I dress a certain way and I do some tasks that MIGHT be considered traditionally "men's work," because in the OLD CREAKY DAYS, men mostly did these jobs?
ABSURD. I have not grown a penis because I've laid sod and used a pickax in my front yard, nor because of donning gloves and cleaning the leaves et al out of my gutters, or using a ladder to climb up to DO those chores.
I do them because I like to keep my house in good repair and it costs me nothing to do them whereas it would cost me a fortune to hire someone to do it. I've painted the exterior and interior of my house.
My dad taught me how to do these things as well as how to tune an engine and change and check oil and fluid levels and tires and to change a tire.

[Screenwriter]

Those are common skills EVERYBODY needs to take care of their own home. Unless you're terribly old and can't DO them anymore, you need to, to save money and it gives you a wonderful feeling of accomplishment and self care.
I will be cleaning my gutters today because the high temperture is supposed to be 73, and the weather clear. It'll be raining by Tueday and I want those gutters clean to keep the water flowing into my rain barrels.
If I'm lucky, I'll have my power washer repaired and running for the next bout of warmer weather, to clean up the drive and sidewalks. They're grungy. I LOVE POWER WASHING and the house is looking dinghy too.

[coolhandroo]

Wow that was quite the rebuttal to a pretty tame statement lol. But you get them gutters clean. I agree that females can work outside as well

[Screenwriter]

@coolhandroo My darling, 'Roo. The idea that Page is "brave," because she's made this declaration is just silly. I wish people would keep PRIVATE issues PRIVATE. It seems foolish to me. I'M TRANSGENDER!!! LOOK AT ME CHANGE MY NAME TO A MALE NAME!!! NOW I'M A MAN BECAUSE I SAY SO!
Something about this feels so insulting to women, too. What is wrong with Page being a woman married to another woman? It doesn't matter what ROLE she fills in her marriage, does it? What clothes she wears, or what she does around the house.
That seems ANTI transgender to me. We're ALL THAT WAY MORE OR LESS.
I'm a woman and I revel in me being a woman who has a broad array of skills that encompass traditional "female" pastimes and traditional "male" pastimes.
I think a man who can thread a needle and resew his own buttons, cook a good meal and keep his house clean is a TOTAL man. I hope he can also change a tire, keep his fluid levels proper, mow his lawn and tinker around the house JUST LIKE I DO!
Being a SKILLED HUMAN ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF IS NOT BRAVE. It's a necessity unless you're filthy rich and you want to spend the time it takes to hire all the people you need to maintain every aspect of your home and car. It also has nothing to do with what role you play with your spouse in or out of bed!
I wish people would understand this. Otherwise I should be nominated for being BRAVE AND STUNNING!!! ahahahahahaha!

[coolhandroo]

I'm not saying that bro g self reliant is an act of courage im just saying that to be in the public eye doing something that so few understand and relate to and so many are in opposition to must be a scary experience and I believe that doing what you feel is right in the face of and in spite of fear is courageous. If not then what is your definition of courage?

[Stoner710]

Stunning as in she looks hot yes, stunning and brave because she declared her self to be a man when she is not no it’s not stunning and brave to declare a falsity about yourself that is not true environment where everyone will except the lie that you are a man she’s not a man, how can you tell she’s not a man? Men don’t have boobs and men don’t have a vagina. If I had sex with Elliot Page I could still get her pregnant. What are you going to call that a man getting pregnant? That’s impossible,

[Bananaman177]

She just went from a lovely young girl to a creepy 5'3'' incel loser with no penis.

It's like, "just shoot yourself, it's way faster."

[Bat-Perv]

Thinks she's 5'1

[Bananaman177]

I'll be damned if I google it.
https://i.gifer.com/5bjD.gif

[winterfox10]

Not really... I've never found that person particularly attractive anyway, and now ze/zer is forcing me to confront whether or not I am willing to make a value judgment about zis/zer's character based on surface level information. What's brave about expressing a transgender identity in a time when embracing your transgender identity is socially accepted and a time proven way to bring yourself lots of attention? Allow me to put on my cynical "real politique" hat, and suggest that it is WAY more likely that this is a publicity stunt to get Elliot back in the spotlight after losing flare for a while.

[Miristheiss]

She isvery pretty.
She has done nudes in film for money... I have zero repect for her.
She is a lesbian... now trans?
She is just 100% messed up to me.

[Bat-Perv]

I've noticed that a lot of Hollywood ladies will only go topless when they hit 30. Ellen page, Kate mara, alexandra Daddrido

[Solstice777]

Ellen Page is a puppet who is probably lying about being attracted to women and is definitely lying about believing she is a man. She is just doing what she is told so she doesn't lose her fame pushing agendas and trying to influence minds because that is what they use celebrities for. Stupid people fall for this BS.

[sadMeester]

She's been a lesbian for a long time. People with rough pasts are more likely to develop gender dysphoria.

Thinking it's fake is what's stupid. She married a woman even. Lesbians exist and gender dysphoria is a well-documented mental condition. I disagree with humoring them as a treatment since it only ever seems to make it worse, but the condition exists.

[Solstice777]

@sadMeester She could be a lesbian or she could be faking it. Anything can be faked on the world stage. We would not know if she is really married to a woman or if it was all fake. They use celebrities to push this BS because they want to reduce the population. People are idiots and love celebrities and follow what they say.

[Not_Average]

She’s not very attractive at all to me. She’s built like a prepubescent boy and her face is merely average. She’s also still a woman regardless of how she feels.

[Bat-Perv]

Sorry @KamalasOnherKnees you said "Ellen Page is a biological female with breasts and a vagina." It appears your opinion has been censored. Yes its come to this.

[Amnfox]

No. I wish people would just accept who they are and be comfortable in their own skin. Don't chemically and surgically alter yourself in an attempt to find happiness. It's always sad seeing woman choosing plastic surgery in the pursuit of happiness and turning themselves into something they think they want/need to be. If you don't have big boobies. Just accept the way you are. If you weren't born a man... You just have to accept it. Sleep with who you want, but for your own sake find happiness in who you are without these major operations to change what you are.

[Lliam]

Super cute. But I'm confused. He/she was listed as female at birth. Later decided that she was a he. Then as a gay man. Does she have a dick or what? Now she says she is a transgender man who is female.
If she was female, I'd think she was hot af. It's too bad that she has such mental problems. I don't celebrate her confusion as brave. It's just sad.

[pervertedjester]

Not really. How did she/he explain it to the lesbian wife though? Think a "new" penis is deal breaker for a lesbian?

[Bat-Perv]

How big a strapon does she use on her girlfriend?

[Anonymous]

I am not really sure... you know many trans people have to go thowards lots of changes unsuported... they do really change themself... this one... well only changes clothes and say its a man... with all the privilege of the world on her back.. and really messing with the image of tbe other people and affecting the perseption in a negative way about the real tran people who is not in this cause a game. is very hard to see someone making a jocke of other serious problem ( refering to elliot). You have a good point here, by showing how ridiculous is all... trans people only want to be accepted... they are not leftist neither are after your childs nor try to trick you. usually are very upfront and if they are not is cause they are afraid. but this characters that just take the issue and make a party about that affect everione in a negative way...

[FocusOfSuspicion]

I think she has a very pretty face, but I don’t know about anything she’s done to indicate bravery.

[Lyndsielee666]

He or them **

[FocusOfSuspicion]

@Lyndsielee666 sorry? Does she have a twin or something? I only noticed one person in the images provided.

[Lyndsielee666]

He’s trans

[Ozanne]

Coming out as transgendered is taking a risk when someone has a high-profile, like a celebrity who relies on obtaining roles to continue their career. She risks public scrutiny and could even have his career affected. So far, she's received a lot of support.

[Ozanne]

Yikes, sorry, I meant *he*!

[FocusOfSuspicion]

@Lyndsielee666 well, in that case, since being trans is becoming increasingly popular, and she likely made enough money to support himself for the rest of his life even without ever getting another role, I certainly wouldn’t credit as much courage as a random citizen with an average job.

[Lionman95]

No it´s not stunning or brave. I just don´t so much about the whole part of it. Changing your sexuality is huge thing because you can´t back, so let´s she/he won´t regret it.

[Anonymous]

He is brave but it’s easier because he is rich and has lots of support. Imagine being trans in like Mississippi? And black? Now that’s brave

[Bat-Perv]

I remember when my aunt came out as a lesbian, shd was upset because she got no support and nobody cared. Basically a fuss wasn't made either way

[pigoat]

I haven't cared much for elliot's looks for years

So i disagree with you

coming out as a man so people will stop calling you a woman is not brave, you just wanna be knowned for what you are, duh

So i disagree with you

[Solstice777]

The asker was being sarcastic he knows it is ridiculous

[Anonymous]

Unless she/he magically sprouted a penis she is still a woman.

[Vewrie]

No! She literally looks like a child and girl pre-puberty! No way, and I am bisexual.

[ThatQuietLass]

Don't give a shit what they decide to "identify' with.

[JayisI]

Yes but if they say that they dont like being a female they probably wouldn't want someone to bring up their past.

[matchrestore]

He's both stunning and brave. I have yet to see him in a movie where I didn't find his acting to be exceptional.

[smash4isBetter]

She looks decent, and brave? For what? Believing she's a dude, no thanks but she's still a women no matter what she does. Im not buying this trans nonsense, men are men, women are women. Simple as that.

[Jersey2]

I would have done her when she acted like a woman. Now she will find out short guys have a hard time of it...

[MCheetah]

No. He's stunning.

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