Do you think that there should be more black/brown anime characters?

[Anonymous]

[USMC-Crossroads]

No... kinda. I want more of a particular race, only if that is what the market demands. NOT because of percentages. If the company wants a bigger share of the black market, then accommodate. the same for Latino, White, etc.
Trying to socially-engineer ANY product, is a bad idea, morally and economically. Should the Blues musicians I like, be forced to make 'Hip-Hop' songs because they don't sell enough to teenagers? Should my barber be forced to take less crew-cut requests, until she does more 'corn-rows' - so it evens out the ratio of typical Whites to Black customers? Fuck that, and fuck you for pretending that doing so is okay, as it is only misguided and RACIST!
Yes, singling-out one group in lieu of another, based solely on race, is racist... By definition!
Now, if it happened that the Animator's supervisors/bosses/administrators specifically directed the staff to exclude black skin, black facial features, and/or black voice-actors, while ignoring the market research and demographics... with the specific intention of somehow 'oppressing' the entire ethnicity... then yeah, THAT would be racist.
But the entire Social-Justice 'movement, seems like it's one big slap-in-the-face to the real heroes of the Civil Rights tribulations of the 1960's. I mean, really... c'mon people... "Anime"?
Sincerely, everyone; If you are a fan of that genre, and think you would enjoy seeing characters what look like you and your family/friends, then go ahead and write an email. Or get together with your friends, family, or other fans online, and mail some polite requests. These networks are trying to earn a profit, and would LOVE to do things that will make that more likely! But... a bunch of White liberals making demands on behalf of some other group, who probably has more important issues they'd like addressed - is just sad, self-righteous, and appalling (in my humble opinion). And, it is just my HUMBLE opinion; because I am NOT an ethnic minority, I can't know how they feel, BUT IT ALSO MEANS I HAVE NO RIGHT SAYING what I think that group wants or needs. THAT is truly some racist shit... Thinking you are the front-line of racism. Fuck you! Do the world a favor: Stay in college, swallow what your instructors give you to swallow, and leave us working-adults alone... Things will be fine without you.
Oh, yeah... stop talking so loud at Starbucks... no one finds you interesting.

[Asker]

Most overseas profit come from other Asian countries not west

[BCA6010]

When it's relevant, sure. The vast majority of anime shows and movies originate from Japan, and also take place in Japan, or fictional worlds that are based on either Japan or (medieval) Europe. If you've ever been to Japan, you may have noticed that there's basically nobody with skin darker than an average tan over there, so it stands to reason that there would be virtually no black people in anime when it isn't relevant to the story in some way, usually as a travelling foreigner or side character with a background that helps the story along.

[Asker]

Plenty take place in China or fiction world based on China too

[Asker]

Claiming that all anime character are Japanese is not wrong in sakamoto days
main female lead is Chinese and Umehito Nekozawa is Russian from aouran highschool host club and there is kingdom and DBZ which is based on Chinese culture and AOT and vinland saga is based on European culture. And plenty of hafa in anime asoka from Neon Genesis Evangelion is half German

[Asker]

I mean lu is Chinese in sakamoto days you can make her black immigrant or daughter of black immigrant in Japan yes they exist or killua father was Russian and mother was Japanese could had made his father black or make show based on Africa

[Neosporin]

@Asker I agree thanks for bringing that up

[Anonymous]

I quite enjoy good racial representation in anime (cuz sometimes there's stereotypical depictions as well and that looks awkward as hell) but they shouldn't force it for the sake of diversity. That never works in my opinion. If there's more we'll written and depicted black characters in anime that would be great! But I don't think that it's a "should" as if they have to fit a quota or something.

[doopayo]

Yes, I like seeing them. A lot of dark skinned Asians and blasians exist in Asia so it’d be cool to see stories about them in anime.


One of my favorite black anime characters will forever be michiko milandro though

[Neosporin]

hot chick i gotta say

[FinalFantasyBro]

Which anime is she from?

[doopayo]

Michiko e hatchin! It’s one of my favorite anime’s, i highly recommend

[ZackBan]

No more than there should be black actors playing characters that were not written black.
Diversity is one thing, but forcing diversity over decent storytelling and authenticity is a sure way to flop whatever you're doing.
Just like a movie about an African tribe should be an all black cast, a show about polish folklore should be an all white cast because there simply was no "Diversity" in Poland thousands of years ago, and yes I'm talking about the witcher, this woke netflix monstrosity

[Asker]

Yes I hated forced diversity in witcher. I am Asian I was just asking because some black people wanted more dark skinned character in anime nothing more nothing else

[Kaneki05]

It's a difficult thing really because Asians for some reason in anime don't draw themselves as Asians but as white.
Then for some odd reason some character like an old grandpa character will look stereotypically Japanese.

So races in anime and manga are kinda have weird rule sets and they all do it differently for some reason.

Personally i don't care what there portrayed like longs if them characters are good. So i wouldn't support it nor be ageist it. Until i see the final result on a base by base character.
Which i suppose is also the least racist thing to do since i am not judging on race.

[Kaneki05]

Tbh if were talking fiction on a whole i think this about all works of fictions an example There shouldn't be just more horror stories with a gay main role for the sake of been gay.
Just let the creators work at it. And if they happens to be less gay characters to straight characters it's mostly not gonna be a conspiracy theory that them writers were homophobics.

It's just what they felt like would work the best to the story.

[Asker]

Well depends which anime you are talking about since some anime take place in made up world where people can be of any race but people are usually Japanese if anime take place in Japan. I mean in Naruto writer have said that Naruto is American Sasuke is Japanese sakura is European in one piece luffy is Brazilian (could be Japanese Brazilian or mixed like most Brazilian zoro is Japanese and nami is Swedish. For example Shoya Ishida in silent voice is Japanese

[Asker]

Also if you are talking about anine character being blonde or blue eye's actually brown or black hair is most common color in anime I have watched many anime and blonde or ginger hair mean nothing when character can have pink or blue hair or purple or red eye's. Other than it White people with big eye's have almond shaped and Japanese with big eye's have round like anime character and most anime character have wider face skinnier body and their eye close when they smile and small eyes like most Japanese.

[Asker]

Eye and hair color is personality trait. White hair mean that character is more calm red eyes mean that character is more dangerous. And big eye's are common because it is easier to show emotion through big eye's. But many Japanese also have big eye's

[Asker]

Also there are real white people in anime if you want to see it than check vinland saga it is based on Viking and compare it with silent voice where almost all characters are Japanese. White people in anime look different. I don't know why anime character look white to you.

[Asker]

And Asian girls are very good in cosplaying Asian character it won't have been possible if they were actually White
Some cosplay
https://images.app.goo.gl/LmQNYqS7QNwxiSK8A
Well not anime but anime style Chinese game and character is Asian
https://images.app.goo.gl/mwdnwbLbp4xS
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https://images.app.goo.gl/pJhzWJXzTyttvNYr6

[Kaneki05]

well to your last point two words "Black Butler" And many other animes were you could tell me there were japanese if it wasn't for the set of the show been were it is and speech i wouldn't be able to tell.

But the rest is all true. Not to be dismissive but i think all that kinda points to maybe your just over thinking a lot of it. I think most of anime is supposed to be just kinda watch it, and it only really matter's if they make it stand out for a plot purpose.
But in a world which like you said can be set anywhere, have bright white hair from birth, to red eyes and etc.

I don't think it's meant to be super literal in that sense. Until it's made obvious by a pure creators choice. For example an anime could be set in a Rural African setting yet my character has bright blue hair and green eyes but is a Black African man. It's not really something we need to nit pick at.

Nvm if we start bringing aliens into the Topic like Goku just to make the whole thing even more complex. A monkey? but not? a alien that looks human? but does he appear as if he is white? Or does he appear Asian?

And why i say Asians don't depict themselves as so and look white as well is because Asians have a different tone of skin to us. Yet anime characters do not show this. Apart from the ones made stereotypically Japanese or something.

Either way it's all a complex mess. That i for one think is... thinking on it to hard tbh. But i can see why one would have passion for this especially if your a one who is into maybe anime creation and character creation for it.

[Kaneki05]

Yeah that's true too some Asians have light tone too like us. They kinda have all tons tbh which makes them even more complex.

[Asker]

Do you have read everything I have said? There are light skinned Japanese through most singer's and actor skin look like anime character. Only solution is to give everyone stereotypical slant eye's but than Japanese with double eyelid won't get represented
Please tell me
Most anime character have brown hair or black hair and hair color like green or eye color like red exist. So is it weird to say that anime with blonde hair are blonde for showing personality while they still look Japanese facial features wise.
Real white people look different if all of them were white than East Asian and European character would look same.
Why Asian girls are so good in cosplaying?
And don't you agree that white people with big eye's have almond shapes eyes while anime character usually have rounder eye's and white people nose is bigger while Japanese have smaller nose. Same with white people face is more rectangular while
most anime character don't have face shape like that. White people body mass and frame is bigger most anime character have small frame like Japanese.

[Asker]

I have told you so many reason why they're not white. It don't stop here revy is Chinese with tan skin I still see white people who think that she is white and brock is Japanese with small eye's I see black people claiming that he is black. So dark skinned anime character are black? And light skinned one are white? Do you seriously believe it? This sound crazy to me how white and black people keep claiming anime characters

[Asker]

Than why you think that they look White? White people even claim tan skinned Asian characters like revy and black people claim dark skinned small eye Asian characters like brock so? Do you seriously believe that all characters in anime are black or white? Other races brown Asian don't exist?

[Kaneki05]

Yeah you simply think about this way more than me. I don't care to argue about it. Because when i watch anime i just like to watch it. Not take everything so literal. I was just giving my point of view from what my experience of it is.
If you feel more qualified and know more about it then great apply to your work or your thoughts. I don't really have that kinda thought pattern when watching it.

[Asker]

Because you making a racist statement. I am Asian and most of them look Asian to me. I have literally have proven it to you why they look Asian. Everything is not about black or White. i hope that you would understand it and won't say it again because you don't have any proof

[Kaneki05]

Yep my personal view and me enjoying anime is racist. Got it.

[Asker]

Yea you don't want to think about it because you want to claim light skinned Asian characters like kaguya or tan one like revy and black people would claim dark skinned Asian character like nagatoro and Brock. Asian don't get anything even after making anime and those anime character being based on Asian culture and having Asian name fuck it do you want me to accept it? I refused

[Kaneki05]

You make zero sense. I am done with this convo. Should of know it was a weird bait thing just to call people racist after this long ass comments, mentioning characters i didn't even mention lol.

[Asker]

No it is not racist claiming that most anime character look white is racist or claiming that most dark skinned anime character look black is also racist. You are erasing Asian from their own work and culture

[Asker]

I was telling you about those character as example. I mean you think that most anime character look white so?

[Kaneki05]

No.. you've just gone on a massive rant honestly. That i cannot even understand half of it so sighs.

[Asker]

Well I just want you to stop saying that most anime character look white. You don't understand how racist it is. And I am sure that you are able to understand almost everything but whatever.

[Kaneki05]

So i shouldn't say what i see? I had zero clue Naruto was American before you told me i 100% thought he was Asian. Because the way anime don't really differentiate in my eyes.

And i am not saying it needs to change or anything alike. Just simply i don't see it. There is nothing racist about it. I just cannot visualize it. Which maybe just the way my brain works when it comes to this media. Unlike how IRL yeah i could tell the difference.

That's not be racist, i cannot help the way my brain takes in the media form.

[Asker]

Naruto is based on American like sasuke is based on some Japanese guy. I mean it is not big deal for you but it hurts when other people claim people of your race everything Is not about black or white. It really is not. English is not my first language so I am not able to properly tell you how much it hurt💔 like your culture belong to white and black people.

[Kaneki05]

Sadly that's a thing i cannot relate to. I am not a tribalistic/culterstic person so i don't hold much weight to that nor really understand it. Honestly i just watch anime and like it nothing more. There is no weird intension with it.

If anything i prefer to stay away from cultural beliefs and stuff because they make 0 sense to me.

[Asker]

Well saying that Japanese draw Asian character as white mean that they think that white people are superior

[Kaneki05]

I did not once mention white men are superior. You made that link on your own for some odd reason.

[Kaneki05]

Honestly with how much i don't deal with tribalism or culture i am pretty not racist. Because i don't have what makes people racist in the first place which is some weird hateful pride from ones own culture and tribalism.

So your talking to a brick wall here, if your talking about me caring that white men are better or any other sense of superior like that.

[Asker]

You did maked claim that most anime character look white.

[Asker]

Many is okay since many are white most character in AOT or berserk or vinland saga but most is plain wrong

[Kaneki05]

Yep i did because that's how they look to me. But that is not the same as saying white men are superior.

[Asker]

But they look Asian to me. Most of them is it bad to say that you are protecting since you are white?

[Kaneki05]

Protecting? Do you mean projecting? Well possibly after all we see what relates back to us and our life.
Our brains work by making associations not just straight data like a computer. Therefore things have to associate to things we can visualise and stuff which easiest for the brain to do would be my own life.

But honestly I don't know. All i know is yes these characters are Japanese unless something else makes it clear there not, which sadly both have white ton of skin don't really tell me alone which is which. Other stuff you've thought about more may point it out like you said, but i don't really focus on that when i am watching it.

Tbh to me they could be any race i just like the character for the character. So it don't really matter to me if they appear different like that to me and of course i still know that most are probably gonna be Japanese but that all depends on context clues of were the setting is really.

[Asker]

Yes I mean projecting and there are plenty of tan Asian anime character actually but itadori and vegeta revy are tanned and plenty of white skinned Asian exist so no big deal

[Kaneki05]

Tbh the way Black Lagoon did i could tell what every single characters race was in that just by the looks. So some anime do it better for me personally. Black lagoon was going for a more realistic than anime look on everything tho so that's probably why it helped a lot.

[Asker]

I have seen people calling revy white so? It really don't anyway most anime character look Asian to me

[Kaneki05]

Revy you can tell 100% she ain't. Plus it does mention it mutiple times in the show lol

[Asker]

Well I can tell it most of the time goku look Asian to me don't stop white people from claiming him or brock look Asian don't stop black people from claiming him

[Kaneki05]

I mean Goku is a alien who is a giant space monkey who can no longer transform to his natural form aka a monkey. So i really don't think it matters what race he looks like lmao.

[Asker]

He was based on a Chinese so?

[Asker]

This chi is also Chinese concept

[Asker]

Chi Chi is 100% Chinese and they have similar features so?

[Kaneki05]

Shrugs he is a big alien Chinese monkey then still just lol.

[Asker]

I hope from now on you won't make claim that most anime character look white

[Kaneki05]

Nope i will still say it cause that's how they look to me.

[Asker]

Okay they look Asian to me.

[Asker]

I literally have told you even why they look Asian but shrug.

[Kaneki05]

Fairs

[Kaneki05]

and have told you why they don't to me

[Asker]

I did some mytake
Why white people claim that most anime character look white ↗
Why white people think anime character look white part 2 ↗
Why white people think that anime character look white part three ↗

[Asker]

Read them and tell me if you still think so

[Kaneki05]

Hasn't changed how i see it. Ciel and Eren and etc you could tell me were Asian and i would believe you if i hadn't already watched the shows and see they are not due to everything about the show.

[Asker]

Why white people think that anime character look white part 4 ↗
This should change you're mind

[Asker]

As for eren point ever thought about it maybe maybe artist draw their character more Asian so they can appeal to Japanese? Death note artist had said that making character look non Japanese is hard and black lagoon mangaka had made revy Chinese America because in her own world Japan would relate to appearance of a mongoloid women more than a Caucasian one

[Kaneki05]

Lol you cannot change my mind, It's how they look to me.
And no Eren is German there is no point drawing him to look Asian not that he looks so anyway, just if you told me he was i would believe you if i didn't already know it was german.
These anime characters all pretty much look the same to me.

[hahahmm]

There should be no artificial quotas on the artistic content. And artist should stick to things they know 1st hand or are deeply familiar with. Like a guy shouldn't try to depict something he has only learned about 3rd hand from other artists who gave a BS perspective. Just like I wouldn't try to write a story about the mafia given that I'm not Italian, never grew up in a mafia run area & I never knew any mafia members. Although if I went out of my way to interview people who did I might get to the point where I could. If you want more black/brown anime... then what you really need is for there to be more black/brown ARTISTS starting anime studios.

[hahahmm]

And what I said doesn't rule out an artist creating a black character that just has all mainstream cultural stuff -- but that has to be the artist's choice not an outside force making them do it. I guess the problem is that in the live action movie business talented actors of all skin colors can earn many different roles. Like Denzel Washington can get roles that an artist may not have written with the idea of a black guy playing it but it didn't matter because there are black people who could fit that part irl. If you have artificial quotas it's more likely you get token characters that look black and "act" different but it's really just woke pandering/stereotyping.

[hahahmm]

Problem in the sense that in anime you don't have an actor's skin color affecting what the character looks like at all so you can't just naturally have a character 'become' the race of the person who won an acting job. It's more about just the original idea in the artist head so it's more limited, I guess.

[BeMuse]

This is what being woke has done to media companies… If Anime follows the trend, they will earn the same losses...

Newspapers

Magazines

Cable News

Movies

[BeMuse]

NFL


NBA

[BeMuse]

Olympics

[genericname85]

no. i think for a story, the color of the skin of the protargonists should not matter. unless it is specifically a story about cultural differences but then an arbitrary standardized number or quota won't be helpful.

a quantitative change in frequency of "characters in fiction" won't fix society. it may even make it worse, as we see with the LGBTQ+ community.

the forced overexposure of that community in media has actually reduced their acceptance in society and made peoples views about them worse than they were before. and i think that same mechanism works the same for all sorts of social groups.

[FinalFantasyBro]

I wouldn't mind if there any or not, considering anime is from Japan and there barely any blacks or non Japanese there, it would be kinda unrealistic to demand something that isn't fairly common at. It not like The US where it's a melting pot of different people. That makes both countries completely different one is a very old traditional country which consist with only their own citizens, while the other is a multicultural country that doesn't have any specific people considering the original Americans aka the natives were slaughter and their land were destroyed by the European invaders.

[MCheetah]

No, I do not think that there should be more black/brown anime characters. I'm so sick of "diversity and inclusion" being forcefully shoved into everything nowadays just for the sake of a few insecure losers on Twitter. Leave anime and manga alone; it's fine as it is.

Everything Woke Turns to Sh*t

[EmbraceThePain]

“Should?”


No, I do not think there “should” be.


I’ve watched plenty of anime without black/brown characters as the main characters or even as characters period.


I don’t feel left out because there aren’t any black/brown characters, being a brown man myself.


I’ll watch and have watched regardless.


I understand some people want to feel included and think adding more diversity will increase inclusivity and positivity.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

Well, Japan is a monoculture with like 99% native Japanese population, so retconning their media to suit more westernised sensibilities seems kinda retarded. But I won't stop them if characters are done well and their presence makes sense in context of the narrative. Like, it would be strange if an anime is set in Tokyo but half the characters are black. But an anime set in, say, Detroit, Michigan, would obviously reflect the demographics of that city with more black characters.

[Asker]

I agree that Making anime for west is weird but almost 3 % immigrant in Japan are not Japanese and 1 out of 30 kids born in Japan are mixed so plenty of hafas

[Asker]

I mean lu is Chinese in sakamoto days you can make her black immigrant or daughter of black immigrant in Japan yes they exist or killua father was Russian and mother was Japanese could had made his father black or make show based on Africa

[Asker]

Plenty of Chinese/ European and of course hafa in anime

[Astarlessnightsky]

I don't care.

If the Mangaka/Animation Studio thinks the skin colour is important they can create a character just like that.

But i can't remember an anime/manga where the skin colour was of such importance it actually mattered and added to the story plot.

[J2ohhhhh]

The reason why Japanese culture is not infused with black people is that there are no black people in Japan and the main reason why there are no black people in Japan is that Japan didn't have slaves. So leave Japan and animes alone, they owe nothing to black people.

[Nightless]

In one word, yes.
I would love to see a main character who is Black and isn't portrayed as the usual Japanese stereotypes, plus gets more than 12-24 episodes.
It's unlikely. But all the same, I would love it if they did.

[doopayo]

Same

[Anonymous]

BLM is a illogical American creepy liberal divisive communist thing. Leave the Japanese anceint culture alone. They never had black slaves. Get off your pedistol and stop looking for creepy ways to slowly intrude on other races privacy..👎🏻 Their children needs to feel their race matters also.. Have their heroes and cartoons.

[Asker]

Claiming that all anime character are Japanese is not wrong in sakamoto days
main female lead is Chinese and Umehito Nekozawa is Russian from aouran highschool host club and there is kingdom and DBZ which is based on Chinese culture and AOT and vinland saga is based on European culture. And plenty of hafa in anime asoka from Neon Genesis Evangelion is half German

[Asker]

Anyway I am Asian I was just saying it because some black people wanted more representation like there are plenty of Chinese and European characters in anime.

[Opinion Owner]

OK Asians then.. Regaurdless, then the question could be should their blm also also be in Asian anime's? The problematic issue with all blm socialism is its wiping out cultures thats why America is being invaded at our borders like germany. Has overthrown holliwood, and media, ID say no, leave what is, alone. All cultures matter..

[ShadezMcgee]

Is this being asked from a point of virtue signaling for representation or does it actually have to do with the story setting and characters driving a plot?

[Asker]

Well I am Asian I was just saying it because some black people were telling me that they want more black or brown character. I was thinking what other's think

[ShadezMcgee]

Well, that was why I asked. Are some of these black people claiming this because they just want representation stemmed from racial prejudice or perceived racism or is it because they are trying to tell a good story with relatable characters and good plot and character depth and progression?

There is a difference here, namely in terms of quality.

[Asker]

According to them they just want representation

[ShadezMcgee]

That does not answer my question.

[ohshee]

I haven't watch that for so long so I don't know who they have on them all I know is that for some reason I always thought that they were all sexy that girl that you have on your post she's sexy

[Nomina]

If it's pertinent to the story, otherwise i honestly don't care.
Whenever people keep pushing for this kind of thing... it's irritating, not gonna lie.

[HighValue]

I don't care as long as they make new original ones instead of trying to replace White ones like Spiderman and Ariel.
Making new ones is fine, replacing traditionally White ones is racist.

[Asker]

Most anime characters are Asian. So if anything they would replace Japanese one

[HighValue]

They shouldn't replace any established characters. They should create new original ones.

[Asker]

Unlike west they're still making original work in Japan

[HighValue]

Yeah, America is too focused on being racist against Whites and trying to replace them as much as they can.
Plus most writers here either don't have good ideas, or no new ideas so they just keep remaking old stuff that has already been done. That is why there are many reboots here.

[Sargentcaptain]

Japanese people drawing Japanese people. I'm so shocked. Why the hell should there be other people? If you wanna have a different character/story write it yourself.

[Asker]

Claiming that all anime character are Japanese is not wrong in sakamoto days
main female lead is Chinese and Umehito Nekozawa is Russian from aouran highschool host club and there is kingdom and DBZ which is based on Chinese culture and AOT and vinland saga is based on European culture. And plenty of hafa in anime asoka from Neon Genesis Evangelion is half German.

[Asker]

Anyway I am Asian I was just saying it because some black people wanted more representation like there are plenty of Chinese and European characters in anime.

[t-8900]

Nope I believe an artist should have true, unlimited, creative freedom and expression and no one has a right to their creation. Of you want animation a certain way then you write and draw it out.

[Anonymous]

Nope. On the othewr hand, western animation should include more sexy female babes like anime does! there's a truye lakc of diversity in that department and if diversity is not important enough to incldue that then Id on't need more blakc sin media. There is enough blacks in other forms of entertainemnt and the hypocricy of those who claims to want equality but just want to force in blacks are really pissing me off