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Agree, it is selfish & dangerous to force people to carry an unwanted / unplanned pregnancy to term.
Reminder: A literal child was impregnated and had to cross state-lines for the healthcare they need. A child forcing to carry a rapist’s baby is evil, there were people saying some heinous inhumane shit about it…. They know that being that young is dangerous because ‘not a fully developed human being’ trying to give birth increases the chance of death. It is wrong! Wrong to force someone who didn’t learn the birds and the bees to carry a rapist’s child.
No woman or girl should be forced to have a kid. My dad was an unwanted child. His mom got pregnant at 40 and treated him like a nuisance and burden. His dad died when he was 6 and then he no longer had a protector from her physical and emotional abuse.
Yep and I honestly think if abortion is illegal then a man leaving a woman he impregnated should be illegal as well. It's not fair to force women to be mothers yet the fathers can run out the door and do bare minimum shit like pay child support to get out of parenting
@sawno if the baby gets adopted he should still step up and pay all the hospital bills/pregnancy related things. If she has to suffer then he should to
@sawno can't make someone a slave but can force a woman to be a surrogate?
@sawno a woman could litterally die from pregnancy and birth. He deserves something equal to that
100% agreed. If I was still able to have kids and was forced to have one, I would abandon it in the woods. If I was forced to have a rape baby? Then politicians who made this my reality would find it all over their fucking yard.
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As someone who has always been prolife, I would be lying if I said I would be upset if abortions were made illegal. However, I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to abortions illegal. And by "good idea," I mean making abortions illegal is not the smartest way to get people to change their minds or at least have an honest conversation. I think it will just make women want them even more. I think, instead, we should help provide more options for single mothers or low income families by our own choice. I don't think people should be forced to pay for them through taxes, but should be more willing to donate. I, for one, like to donate $50 per month to CPC's (Crisis Pregnancy Centers) which provide resources for pregnant mothers if they are low income or just do not have a supportive family/lover. I also think it is important to provide more sex education to young adults. We have at least 20 forms of contraceptives so the only reason anyone should be dealing with an unwanted pregnancy is if she was r@ped. And in those cases, the most important part of conversation should always be the woman and making sure she gets the help she needs. I also think more pro-life people should be more willing to empathize and at least see the other person's point of view. And this goes for any tough topic, because if a person feels judged, they will automatically get defensive and shut down. There's also a lot of women who are lied to when it comes to abortion. For instance, the abortion pill is not just creating cramps for the woman. It is literally inducing the woman into an early labor. There are no check ups, no counseling and these women have to go into labor in their homes alone. There are other instances where pregnant women do not want an abortion but are coerced by their friends/family/lovers to have an abortion or the women will be abandoned. I don't know about you, but that's not exactly a choice and I definitely don't think women should be punished for it. In other words, I am very much against abortion, but my goal would be to make it so less and less women want abortions or are in the position where they need to make the choice of having an abortion. But that's just my opinion.
Well then these people gotta learn to be responsible, if they don't want kids and wanna fuck they should get their shit tied or whatever the equivalent is for dudes, there's also condoms, birth control and I'm sure other things to help prevent accidents with pregnancy, people just don't consider it, that's not anybody's fault but the irresponsible people involved, they should get backlashed for such irresponsibility.
and rape?
That's a minority tho, because most abortions aren't from rapes, they are from dick lose or leg lose people that lack responsibility
Rape isn't a valid excuse for people that haven't gotten raped, please try again
doesn't make it less valid. so what about when a woman is raped? should she still be forced to have the baby?
yeah? thats why i specifically asked for ur opinion on rape bc u alr mentioned the others? and what ab when the men leave? should they never have to face responsebility?
Yes, but rewarded for doing so, maybe paid handsomely and have the choice to keep or put it up for adoption afterwards, if the man leaves he should be full consequences, I'm sure you can think of some, both should be forced to deal with the responsibility, if anything they should make it illegal to leave a child, not any jail time but financially cause jail time can be another way to avoid that responsibility, the only way a man can not be there is if the mother doesn't want him in the child's life, it will need to have a balance but I believe there's things that can be done to balance everything out
whats ur source for that? I've never heard that happen. many won't put up for adoption bc they know its horrible.
but i agree with the rest.
I don't think adoption and abandoning children is a good thing but I think it's better than killing them, I think that they at least should have a chance to choose on their own, at the end of the day they can always choose to kill themselves if they want but I can assure you a huge percentage of them won't, no matter how messed up their life is
You don't seem to be miserable enough to kill yourself, be honest with yourself, if your mother wanted to abort you before birth, would that have been a mistake from her part?
I believe so, since I'm sure you like being alive, no matter what struggles you have in life you are always here to yap so miserable and all, you wanna live lol
I'm sure many newborns would want the same chance if someone else didn't just decide for them
r u dumb? one of the highest reasons somebody kills themselves is bc they’re unloved? and the woman should always come first, her choice. she should not have to ruin everything she's worked js for a kid to kill themselves. not many will live a good life in unloved homes or in adoption agencies where they’re treated like shit and neglected
yeah bc my parents wanted me and love me. i dont understand the question? if she wanted an abortion i wouldn't be here and i wouldn't know bc a fetus is not even alive💀
A bad life is better than no life, you are thinking of only the possibilities of people not wanting their life, excluding the possible majority that most likely will want them
well if i wasn't alive, i wouldn't really care, bc i wouldn't know💀 but im killing myself at 40 if that helps. not really, i would kms if it werent for my family and my promising future.
they wouldn't know tho? so who cares? why should she have to ruin hers js for them to become nothing?
Yea but that doesn't change the fact that you'd want to be alive, if they would've killed you off it wouldn't have mattered to them but the results of them now are results many people just throw away, maybe when you grow up you'll see things differently, I'm hoping you do
no its not, would u seriously rather choose to be abused, sexually assulted and neglected over being dead? its basically the same thing.
ok so how is it going for the kids in adoption centres that never got loved? they’re not doing great in life
i dont tho. im terrified of death too, thats why im still here. this world is terrible and i think its selfish to bring a kid into this world. like what? how will i see things differently?
It's not as selfish as killing it cause you are scared, you talk about selfish but nobody aborts cause they care about the children that's bullshit excuses, they do it cause they don't want the responsibility, so you want to speak about selfish, killing because of it is worse, what about the ones that do get adopted, or the ones that do grow a good life, there's always the possibility of change in someone's life but not if you selfishly decide to not give them that life
so u want kids to grow up in homes where they’re unloved? i dont give a fuck about them, the woman is always going to be prioratized. if ut daughter got pregnant, would u force her to have the baby?
I wouldn't force her but Id surely convince her yea, tell her that we can work something out, id never raise my daughter this way to believe and think how you believe, id raise her to value life and not feed selfish thoughts, if I'm gonna force someone it will be the guy that impregnated her, he has no choice but to stick around, you know what they say, if there's no choice, you make a choice lol
My point is that I wouldn't have to force her cause she wouldn't be brainwashed by the media to devalue life, she will have morals and Christian principles, she will most likely not be having sex or hookups either, she will be taught to value herself, how to defend herself and I'll always be there to guide her, not let the media do it for me, they will only brainwash her to think the way you do.
so you seriously want ur daughter, to go through something that can KILL her. js bc smth u want? and if she's raped?
What part of teaching her to defend herself do you not understand, she won't get raped but in that situation I won't force her, again it's her choice but if I raise her the way I just told you she most likely wouldn't make the choice to kill it all on her own.
I believe as people that are alive and don't want to die it's out of pocket to want power over other lives, mostly if they are relying on you to keep them alive, people just gotta stop trying to play the role of God.
bro what? so u think a little girl who knows self defense is gonna stand up from an average man? esp if he has a weapon? u must be fucking delusional. and if she absolutely wants an abortion?
most sane christian.
Yes, I've learned to take unmatchable opponents, I will teach her, it's the smarter play, that's required in situations like this, weak points are the groin, eyes and neck, I will teach her the whatever is necessary mentality, if she has to gouge eyes yank or cut weak points id rather it be him and not her, she will have weapon discipline and training, realistically she won't be anywhere alone if she's under your age, at your age you can gouge eyes perfectly fine, it's not about overpowering, it's about outsmarting, on top of all this God will be watching her, she won't be touched, she won't want an abortion, she will think how I do, I'm going to raise her to be a better version of myself, id pay the financial part of it if I have too since that's normally the most common reason for wanting abortions worldwide
think about it. ur a grown man. she will not be one. stop being so delusional. and if she's drugged? god isn't real, grow up. in a situtaion like that, god won't do shit.
God is real and so is Satan, God has helped me several times throughout my life, you've got a clueless school girl mentality, you live in a bubble child, its why you have the privileges to be blind to anything outside of that bubble, you've got two loving parents and you spit on the sacrifices they had to do running your mouth spitting all of your poison all over the internet, most of my life I grew up around violence and death and I've learned an evolved, I will reach my children what's necessary for survival and God is a part of that, I think you should spend less time following the influences of the world and use your mind for other things, you let the internet poison your mind, your parents love you but didn't show you any manners or respect.
Teach*
maybe in ur mind. but lets be real, in a situation like that, what would god do?
God would prevent it entirely, like he prevented my death, he showed me a vision of police shooting me under a highway a week before a jewelry heist I was going to do with a group of friends, friends that are no longer alive by the way, I didn't do the heist and I'm still here
The spiritual part is that all those friends had a vision the same night all different parts of the same story, we called it all of but I left that life and they didn't
and if it happened, would u blame god or her?
No of course not because God doesn't get on the way of free will, he helped me see the truth, and used my free will to listen
People don't listen to guidance and blame god you can't blame God for your choices
and if he doesn't guide u?
It's easy to blame god for our fuck ups but hard to count the blessing he gives, you having parents is a blessing, them keeping you fed, clothed and healthy is as well, count those before you blame God for someone else's misfortunes, I know I do
He will guide me, he always has and he always will
sure whatever🤦♀️
The misfortunes can easily be you, don't forget that younglin.
Rape is already illegal.
yet people do it and dont get prison time for it.
Nobody I know ever wants to force someone to have kids. 9/10 getting pregnant is a choice and making a rape exception is never good enough which is another can of worms I’m not getting into on this post.
Instead teaching kids responsibility if they choose to go do those things anyways then that’s on them…. They were educated the easy way.
It is not about forcing others to have kids if they don’t want them. It is about forcing people who don’t want kids to be responsible enough not to get pregnant to begin with. There are people having abortions and going right back out and getting pregnant over and over again. If a girl gets taped in most cases abortion is legal. Now I feel differently about incest. If a person has incest then that is consensual and if not then it is rape.
What evidence do you have that people who can't get an abortion are more likely to abuse their kid? Honest question.
I think women should have the right to choose an abortion, and I don't judge the ones who do, but personally I can't imagine ever choosing to kill my own child in my womb. Talk about abuse.
what makes u think that unloved kids r gonna live a good life? ok good 4 u, dont have an abortion, but dont shame others for getting an abortion
You think women who can't get an abortion don't love their kids? You are a very ignorant girl.
most are, some dont, but i dont get ur point? if they wanted kids they wouldn't want an abortion anyway
That's not how things work. When a woman has a child, even if it's a result f rape, she still loves her child. Jesus you're ignorant!
yeah no, thats not always the case. sure some cases can, but most aren't.
Source please.
omfg🤦♀️ give me ur sources first, what im saying is common sense.
not every woman loves their child, thats also common sense.
and im not sure what source ur waiting for? unloved kids parent situation? rape-babies parents situation? be a little clearer
The irony of you using the term "common sense" is hilarious. You are one of the most infamously dumb users in GAG history. The shit you post here every day is comically stupid, and you're talking about common sense? OMG that's funny.
so u js ignored all my questions?
Again... choices have consequences. Fuck around and get pregnant. Murdering a baby because of parental irresponsibility is punishable by law. There should be no discrepancy based on whether the baby is in utero or not. As far as rape... allow abortion provided the mother takes a rape kit.
an abortion ban isn't forcing people to have kids
you might have a point if government mandated rape was a thing but it's not
seriously, get out of the feminist echo chamber. it's rotting your brain
yes it is. how is it bad to be a feminist?
there's no government mandated rape. this is why being a feminist is bad. you literally believe every lie that is told to you
being forced to carry a kid is forcing to have a kid. and beinh feminist means 👩=🧔♂️ nothinh else
how is a woman being forced to carry a kid by others? by them doing nothing?
doing nothing = forcing?
feminism isn't equality. that's another comfortable lie they tell you to justify it's existence
when a woman is raped she is forced to have the kid, when a woman has consensual sex, she's choosing to accept the risk.
feminism is equality retard
and what should happen if a woman rapes a man and wants to keep the baby?
name me a prominent feminist who stands for equality. name me 3 things feminism has done for men in the name of equality. and are transwomen real women?
then id say he has all the right to abandon it. not his choice to be raped. dont know how it is about the law but im assuming its like that.
bro what? feminism is equality im not gna do some extra assignment. if u chose not to believe it, i dont give a fuck. but you’ll realise one day.
men still have to pay child support as a default regardless
if feminism is about equality you should be able to
name me a prominent feminist who stands for equality. just one name
name me 3 things feminism has done for men in the name of equality. or even just 1 thing
and are transwomen real women? simple yes or no answer
whats ur source? as i said, i dont give a fuck ab that, and i can't name one from the top of my head, im not one who goes on meetings and meet other feminists.
the point of feminism, is to get women to the same level as men are. what does transwomen have to do with this? i dont give a fuck ab them?
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if you can't name 1 prominent feminist. 1 thing feminism has done for men or declare whether transwomen are real women, then you aren't as educated in feminism as you think you are and therefore indicating you've fallen for their propaganda
sad that happened, dont know what u want me to do.
why do i need to know all feminists in the world to be a feminist? the only way to be a feminist, is to think everyone should be equal. and did u not read anything i said?
personally i think transwomen are women, but not biologically, happy?
if you're gonna claim boldly about something you should be well-educated in that area
you don't need to name all the feminists in the world. just name 1 who represents equality
if you can't answer my questions, then deep down you know feminism isn't about equality. my questions aren't even tricky questions
what claim did u think was bold?
ok, kamala harris. heard she's amazing in that area.
what? r u dumb? have u not read any of my replies?
you claimed feminism is equality so I'm testing your belief
since you named Kamala, what has she done for men or has promised to do for men?
and plagiarizing off another site isn't your knowledge
bc thats common sense. as i said, feminism isn't about men. its about getting women to the same level as men are. retard. its a source💀
ah yes, selective equality. not true equality as you've admitted
bro r u dumb? tell me then what mens issues can feminism fix. u can't say ”fix it” without saying what the problem is
not get in the way of certain laws being passed e. g. mandatory DNA testing, criminalizing false rape accusations, equalizing the draft, 50/50 child custody, DV against men being taken seriously etc.
okay so why aren't u doing anything? why are we supposted to do everything? nothing happens, if nothing happens.
I'm not a feminist. you're claiming to be a feminist so you should stick by your word if you believe in equality
so ur expecting feminists to fix all mens problems?
no I don't expect feminists to fix men's problems anymore than they fix women's problems because they can't fix women's problems
feminists are all talk and no action to back up their talk
pretty impossible when men (who actually can do smth ab it) won't listen
yeah it is a big problem when men prioritize listening to women over themselves
I agree, but adoption is an option so nobody is forcing you to raise it.
but i should ruin my life for it? and adoption centres are awful and fucked up
No, you should have sex responsibly and avoid unwanted pregnancy. Killing babies is not an alternative to proper safety. Penetration is a choice. Not pulling out is a choice. Not using condoms is a choice. Not using birth control is a choice. If you get pregnant that's your responsibility, if you abort the murder of the baby is on your soul. I don't advocate to make it illegal because I find the right of individual sovereignty of a body more important, but it is definitely immoral when unneccesary.
sure but nothing is 100% safe, so whats the point?
this is why im never having sex
i dont want kids, thats why i won't have sex.
yeah sure
In reality, the goal of banning abortion is not to force people to have children, but to send women who kill their children to prison, since for many centuries we have lived in a matriarchy where female criminals never go to prison.
There's almost 200,000 women in the US prison system
It took me over a year to become fertile enough to get pregnant. If you aren't smart enough to use contraception and are relying on abortion as contraception then you are an idiot and shouldn't be having sex. Life is a gift.
I agree. It's ridiculous to tell a woman what she has to do for a matter that resides in her own body.
@MrOracle I agree with 95% of your opinions, but abortion is one we won't agree on. I've never made a woman pregnant in my life, so I have no bias behind my opinion. My opinion is based purely on how I rationalize it.
Sex is a natural desire. Most of us have it after puberty hits. People will do it, even when immature regardless of what their parents say because of it being that primal desire. Most people practice safe sex (condoms, pills, etc.), because they are genuinely scared about potentially having a kid, but sometimes mistakes happen anyways.
Rather than the old days where women would just have the baby then drop it off in the middle of nowhere to die, abortion nowadays is much more ethical. It really depends on if you consider it a life or not. I consider it a life as much as I consider a sperm cell a life.
I do not find it right to force women to go through with a birth they don't want. Some people aren't ready. And sure you could use the argument "Then close your legs" but as I said, sex is a natural desire and it's not done to have abortions or encourage zero responsibility. In hospitals, they make the abortion patients aware of what it is to encourage responsibility in the future. They make them listen to the heartbeat.
I feel like European countries are way ahead in their way of thinking than the west, because approximately 87% of Sweden is pro choice and approximately 82% of France is pro choice as well. A 2024 survey showed a median of 66% of adults in 27 different countries believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases. Those numbers are only increasing. And don't get me wrong. I'm not saying because the majority of people believe something, it's the right thing to believe in. I'm just saying times are changing and in my opinion, for this specific topic, I think it's for the better. I apologize if my opinion disgusts you.
@MrOracle I'll also add that 93% of abortions are within the first trimester (the first 13 weeks). Most people don't want it to develop into something more. Look up images of the size of the fetus in the first trimester. It's literally pea sized. It's less than 23 grams.
Approximately 6.1% of abortions happen in the second trimester (14-26 weeks)
And less than 1.1% of all abortions happen in the third trimester (27 weeks and up)
Sex is a primal desire, sure. Abortions are not more ethical. They're just less traumatic. The science of abortion is just removing consequence from what you call an "inability to control oneself". It is no more ethical to abort a baby at 13 weeks than to pitch it in the ditch at birth. It's just easier and less traumatic for the irresponsible woman involved.
Agreed! That's how you get unhealthy parents, unhappy kids who potentially turn out broken as they grow up.
One of the very few things I actually agree with you on.
never heard of u, but ok
It's because I don't typically comment on your stuff. This is the first time I felt the need to comment.
ok good 4 u
it's not forcing people to have kids, when they take part in the act that makes the kids in the first place. If you want sex and no kids don't have sex, or take the pill, or swallow.
Yes cause who takes care of kids if they don't want them? And there are so many unwanted children. Plus self deletion rates go up.
If a person has a kid but then regrets it later. Please just give it up for adoption
The pronatalists like Vance don't care;the more (white) kids, the better.
u it is illegal to force people to have kids
if abortion is still illegal, then ur forcing people to have kids against their will.
it is not so simple... that's now how it works
thats kinda how it works tho, when ur denying somebody an abortion ur forcing them to have a kid, especially if they were raped.
and let me ask u, if u think abortion should be illegal, should men leaving a pregnant mother also be illegal?
I never said abortion should be legal or illegal...
that is not for me to decide
ok, answer the question.
In general I agree with you
Abortion is not for birth control.
nobodys using abortion as birth control.
nope, nobody does ur delusional🤦♀️
more men leave pregnant mothers than women who use abortion as birth control, but oh no, WOMEN are the problem.
never fucked anyone, never will. maybe take responsebility for once.
I agree completely.
Agree.
its illegal
Totally agree…
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