I know you value confidence a lot but did you know usually stupid people are confident and more intelligent are full of doubt?

[mantelk]

Only idiots are dead sure of everything. I think women overvalued confidence. A person needs a keen perception and clarity and knowledge and understanding. Confidence is a cover-up job.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

There's a difference between confidence in one's self and arrogance.

Arrogance - or undue confidence - is bad.

The smart person's doubts are actually something they can admit thanks, in part, to confidence. Knowing when you don't know enough, doubting the future or the conditions of the world, needs the confidence to admit you can be wrong or not know something.

A smart person also knows when they know enough and when they don't. A stupid person would be more likely to pretend they know something - so they act confident while the smart person admits doubt in their knowledge.

[mantelk]

Yea but women easily fall to the tricks of fake confidence.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Dunno if that's true, but experience helps us learn.

We might fall for them easily now, but as we learn to identify them, we stop falling for them.

It's why there's so many incels on this site. If women really fell for false confidence that much, even they could get laid.

[mantelk]

You need to be able to tell the difference between gold and gold plated. Some are gold plated and they polish it and look like gold. Some are pure gold but it might not look so polished on the outside and you might think it is brass

[ArtemisSilver]

Unfortunately, idiots and psychopaths often have massive unjustified levels of confidence.

Because of the unfounded confidence you often find them in mid to high level jobs making horrible decisions and fucking things up while hiring others like them. This might have something to why the economy is collapsing right now.

My solution as a person of above average intelligence is day drinking and pretending to be chad thundercock at work.

[BeMuse]

Why wouldn't you be confident if you are smart? If you know what you are talking about you can speak authority. If you have a fast mind, you can read people and make quick decisions. Smart people can be witty and influential. Maybe you're just not as smart as you think you are...

[BeMuse]

*speak with

[mantelk]

Every situation in life has many different variables, the smarter you are the more complexity you notice. The more you know, the more you realize you know nothing.

[mantelk]

Also with knowledge comes a certain level of humility and integrity. Being arrogant and thinking you are authority are signs of mediocre minds that are full of themselves too early. Such people dont have genuine high potential

[BeMuse]

Bullshit platitudes. If you're smart you know what you know and what you don't know and can easily speak to what you know and when someone asks you something you don't know you say "I have no idea, but it sounds interesting I might look into it".

[mantelk]

Ur one of those people that responds back no matter what the other person says. There is no point talking to you. Your mind is already made up

[BeMuse]

Well I have an IQ of 158 and am a confident man. I'm just giving you my perspective since it is relevant to your question. The higher you go in IQ, the less people there are. If you want opinions from smart people that's fine.

[mantelk]

IQ doesn't mean anything. Someone who is actually smart wouldn't say they are smart. What you call confidence is a certain egoistic superiority delusion and a sign of mediocracy.

[BeMuse]

The only people that say IQ is irrelevant are people who fail to achieve desirable scores. Like I said, you’re probably not as smart as you think you are. Smart people can easily judge where they stand in comparison to their peers on many different levels. If you are smart you will analyze many things every day. People is one thing you will analyze. It has nothing to do with ego. Some people perform certain tasks more efficiently. Judgment is a crucial skill in order to make good decisions. Anyone who is honest with themselves knows when someone is better than them at doing certain things. If they can’t admit that they are smart, then they aren’t all that smart. A professional sports star knows they are talented and can admit it. A musical virtuoso knows they can play music well. Smart people are able to the exact same thing. It’s no different.

[mantelk]

I have an engineering master's degree. What I said also isn't just personal opinion. It is something commonly known. Idiots are sure of themselves, intelligent are full of doubt

[BeMuse]

I also have a M. S. in a field of engineering, but I also have an IQ of 158 as well. You're narcissism is showing. You think judgement of people's ability has to do with ego, because at your core you are egotistical. In contrast, I judge people's ability so that I can delegate authority over specific tasks to them. Some people are smarter than others. They have a different tool chest of talents and experience. That didn't cross you're mind though, because like I said you're not all that smart. You think everything is about you. You're self centered. You're a fake it until you make it type. That's why you have a lot of self doubt. You want people to think you know everything, but you know you don't. You're afraid they will find out. All you have to do is speak confidently to what you do know, and say "I don't know" for what you don't. Saying I don't know hurts your ego though. Like I said you're a narcissist... Smart people know what they know and are able to be confident in their ability and also know what they don't know and need to pursue in time.

[BeMuse]

IQ matters for judging intelligence. Education and experience matters for judging someone's background knowledge. Earnings and credit history matter when judging someone's credit worthiness. Numbers matter... When someone runs a few foot races and they travel 26.2 miles, eventually they know they are a marathon runner. There's a logic to it. Smart people know they are smart and have no problem stating it just like tall people know they are tall.

[BeMuse]

As a supposed engineer you should know that, but your judgement is clouded by a fragile self-esteem and a compulsion to constantly feel better than others... That's where all your bullshit platitudes find their roots and why you want to call people with a 158 IQ mediocre.

[mantelk]

You proved IQ test means nothing because you were completely unable or even acknowledge something simple that most truly intelligent people agree with. A certain level of dignity, integrity and humbleness comes from true intellegence. Ur "confidence" comes from mediocacy definitely. The best are always humble.

[BeMuse]

You have no logic to your statement whatsoever, just emotional appeals based on imaginary opinions (delusions) from the ether. It's very easy to 1) see you are not intelligent based on your lack of logic, and 2) to see you are a dishonest person. You can't get to truth by being dishonest, especially when you are dishonest with yourself. You have to let the data speak and follow the answers to the truth. When you spend all your time posturing for image, you become a know nothing bureaucrat. There are endless geniuses that were disagreeable, they broke the rules, they lashed out at people, etc. Isaac Newton was famous for his anger and spitefulness. He felt so superior to some people that he tried to erase them from history. He was very competitive and not humble at all. Bobby Fischer was a cocky demanding anti-semite. He was highly confident in his abilities and he used that along with his incredible intellect to dominate the Russians at chess. Nickola Tesla believed in his own superiority, so much so that he had strong beliefs in eugenics. He was highly confident in himself and competitive by nature. He would mock people like Edison on stage in front of hundreds of people. His relationships with others basically landed him in exile as a homeless guy feeding the pigeons. Your ignorance of history is apparent. There are tons of famous geniuses with endless idiosyncrasies that are neither humble nor amiable in character.

[mantelk]

Every single one of those people you mentioned would laugh at you and your idea of confidence and superiority. Again, please understand, you are a mediocre. Every single one of those people would agree with me and disagree with you. Every single one of those people would become humble by creation and realize they are just a small peace of an endless universe. This whole thing is about you getting triggered when I said only idiots are dead sure about everything. I am by far more intelligent than you most likely in every possible field with the needed training. You are probably a cocky American kid who believes in some delusional exceptionalism. As I said medicores are cocky, those who reach the top don't claim it for themselves. You are probably the kind that laughs at people who do worse than you. This is the sign of a pathetic loser in life. I see potential in everyone and empower everyone. You might win in a few meaningless things but you will lose in life if you live with this kind of attitude.

[BeMuse]

Very humble of you... Nice demonstration of your lack of intelligence by your own definition. You see how easy it was for me to bait out your narcissistic traits that I previously described and prove exactly what you are. You're hypocrisy is on display. That's what a smart person can do to a not so smart person. You're very transparent.

[BeMuse]

You're an idiot by your own definition. You've exhibited paradoxical thinking and contradicted yourself. You don't have an organized mind in the slightest.

[mantelk]

That's what you think you did man. I lost respect for you to speak with you properly from your very first comment. I just played along with the kind of games you play because I don't see much more worth here.

[mantelk]

I don't play games kid. I am a seeker of truth. You don't earn my respect enough and never did for me to conversate with you properly. It's not narcissism. It's not superiority. It is just that, the worse kind of people are those who don't know nothing and think they are smart. There is no getting through their thick head.

[mantelk]

The so called confident idiots. Purely dishonest. Playing games.

[BeMuse]

You’re still talking? We’ve exposed that you are an idiot by your own definition via your display of hubris. We’ve exposed your lack or organized thinking and impulse toward emotional outbursts by allowing you to destroy your own argument through contradiction. We’ve exposed your narcissistic tenancies. You have a constant need for attention and approval. This is why you say the geniuses I mentioned would laugh at me, as if I would even seek their attention or approval or care what their opinion of me was. I can easily acknowledge they are smart people and that I as well am a smart person. We can coexist as smart people, because I don’t have a need to be the center of attention like you. My narcissism is far lower than average. We’ve also proved that a confident person like me, can outsmart you, that’s for sure… You definitely have a low IQ because I can run circles around you and browbeat you when I’m half asleep. I know that hurts your fragile self-esteem and a compulsion to constantly feel better than others. Tough shit. Get over it. Lesson over.

[mantelk]

You think trying to be a cunning little brat makes you intellegence. Ur full on retarded and as I told you, I never had enough respect for you to put 1% effort in this waste of time conversation with a little self righteous retard. But here you are trying to prove me wrong with so much effort when you don't even have the honesty, integrity and credibility to acknowledge the first true statement. Yes, they would all laugh at you as a cocky little turd who know nothing about life and intellegence. They wouldn't even hire you as a secretery

[mantelk]

Ur next pathetic little move will probably be correcting my grammer. Let me save you time IQ Its autocorrect and ur not even worth this very minimal effort

[mantelk]

Confidence without clarity is a tragedy mediocre regards like you suffer from

[BeMuse]

I allowed you to destroy yourself. All I had to do is push a few buttons. I didn't have to put in any effort to get over on a hump like you.

[mantelk]

Stay classy IQ boy

[jahaims]

Intelligent people are more realistic about their capabilities. That doesn't mean they aren't confident in the skills they are adequate with. A dumb person will try something new and think they are the best at it because they lie to theirselves instead of being introspective.

[DryGermanGuy]

The famous Kruger-Dunning effect. Idiots are too dumb to realize that they are idiots. Smart people know more in absolute terms but also realize the limitations of their knowledge.

[Whatever2929292]

People are into what they are into. Some people are more then others. People generalize everyone though these days

[slatyb]

That’s not what is generally meant by confidence in dating. It’s more about being active rather than passive,

[NathanDavis]

well, you just said this very stupidly...

I mean, confidently