What makes a boy a man, and what a girl a woman?

[chris_987]

Too me I've been told a girl becomes a woman when she has her period, which is like 12 years old, and a boy becomes a man when he can take care of himself and other so maybe like 19-30's

[TheSpaceGnome]

Puberty age varies per individual, it can happen as early as 8, and as late as 15. The body can finish growing as early as 12, and as late as 30, and what either looks like, or how big the person gets, varies wildly.

Ethnicity and individual genetics play a huge role in all of that, but basically you are an adult when you are done growing.

I wish it came with intelligence and wisdom, but most people never get that their entire lives.

[TheSpaceGnome]

The development differences are so drastic among ethnic groups, that sometimes I wonder if there are multiple human species.

[clampfan101]

Becoming an adult requires building maturity and wisdom. It’s not just age.

[TheSpaceGnome]

By that definition, most species never reach adulthood.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Most humans would also never reach it by that definition.

[Djaay]

Opinion owner... You're (CORRECT) . The SpaceGnome... He adjudicates and articulates that his only species has an automatic transmigration of life's skillset and possible advantages over others. The BOY is wrong

[TheSpaceGnome]

@Djaay No, both you and the OP are wrong.

Being a man has nothing to do with life skillsets, or responsibilities, or views, or lifestyles, or social systems, or acomplishments.

It is instead the automatic biological transformation from an infant into a sexually mature adult, and in our species, also includes finite growth stages as well (some species never stop growing, so adulthood is just about reproduction for them).

You are confusing manhood with personality.

[TheSpaceGnome]

When your balls make sperm, and you are as tall as you will ever get, you are a man. Any other explaination of being a man is unscientific nonsense.

[TheSpaceGnome]

By your idiotic "logic" most adult women (as well and any skilled or smart children of either gender) are men 😂

[Djaay]

Now your getting close. Girls become women the same as boys become men through accomplishment which leads to sofistication within.

[La_isla_bonita23]

Their behaviours..

[chris_987]

Such as?

[Djaay]

Sofistication.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Thats a cultural value, not a life stage sign.

Many cultures value purity and innocence instead. Others value intellect and wisom, or simplicity amd minimalism.

[Djaay]

Sofistication of society's rules when your on your own is when a boy quickly becomes a man through experience and survival. There's no stage moment in any society where a boy automatically becomes a man just because , other than expectation.

[TheSpaceGnome]

The intelligent choice is to never be on your own, and instead have a multigenerational family living in a mansion while running a family owned business and setting up inheritences.

A boy becomes a man when he is done developing physically into his adult form, society is irrelevant to that.

[Djaay]

Not true !

[TheSpaceGnome]

Actually, it is true!

[Djaay]

Until you as a boy relinquished your right to direct and control yourself , if not , then your not a man yet. If everyone has different growth patterns for different time spans , how can you say that person is now a man from a boy?

[TheSpaceGnome]

Dude I'm 36, I have not been a boy since I was 13.

You can say a boy is a man when he is done developing physically, and yes, different people will finish at different times, some as early as 12, some as late as 30 based on their dna mix.

There is no standard amount of time for reaching adulthood, and the final look will vary drastically between individuals, so just looking does not reveal age, and becoming a man has nothing to do with mental maturity, so applying a social or cultural context makes no sense.

Secondly, relinquishing the right to control and direct myself isn't even a sign of mental maturity or of mental improvement, it's a sign of stupidity and slavery.

[TheSpaceGnome]

For example, there are twelve year olds who are taller than me today, and have longer faces, full beards, bigger muscles, etc. and there are 30 year olds shorter than me, with faces the same as when they were babies, and thin builds, that the average sitcom tv addict would look and say "you look 15" and both are scientifically done growing, and both are the correct way for a boy to develop into a man.

You need to learn to respect biological diversity and free will.

[Djaay]

And you should know already to respect your elders. I'm 62 years old and been a man twice as long as you almost. What makes you think your going to teach me about being a man?

[TheSpaceGnome]

Age based respect is dumb, I respect wisdom.

[TheSpaceGnome]

If you are 62, and I know more than you about language, mental maturity, and biological development, thats more a you problem.

I guess you could study more? 🤷🏻 I've made studying, art, and play most of my life.

Also people actually absorb knowledge better before they are done becoming an adult. Its why it is best to learn second languages as kids.

Most people decline in cognition as they get older, because studying and caring for one's physical health is unpopular and expensive.

[Djaay]

Dream on kid !

[Djaay]

And if you actually respect wisdom , then why are you on my post articulating how you are possibly smarter than someone who's already successful completely in they're life?

[TheSpaceGnome]

Success is too subjective to desire to be relevant.

I personally would not view you as successful.

[Djaay]

That there is your underestimated mistake.

[TheSpaceGnome]

No, it's my acknowledgment of standards and personal preferences.

Success to me is about retaining my physical youth into my centarian years, obtaining much more knowledge and skills than the average person, gaining large sums of wealth via a business I'm passionate about, and retiring early with a wife to persue every dream and goal I have, which then brings more kinds of success, to which is endless, so as a whole I will never be "done" succeeding.

[Djaay]

Been there and done that and still going strong. And still married to a 25 yr old woman. 10 children from my first wife and two from my current wife. My Inheritance at 18 left me a millionair , and from then on self made twice over. Your dream is my life as we speak.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Not all of it if thats you in the picture, you most definitely did not retain your youth.

Also I'd personally see having kids or divorces as the opposite of success, but you do you.

[TheSpaceGnome]

You are also lacking in the obtaining much more knowledge than average department. So thats another difference.

You are not living my dream life.

[Djaay]

My first wife passed ok. Your kinda stupid letting societal extremities define you. You speak as if you're all that , but I know your full of spite bc you really aren't who you say you are. Never mind trying to out do all those before you, lest you fall in a hole. First thing you learn in success is to never step on the another's hand while climbing the ladder.

[Djaay]

And quite basically you are about as stupid as I figured you to be by your own admissions.

[TheSpaceGnome]

I see early death or the death of a loved on as a personal failure on my part, as one of my goals to succeed at is extreme longevity, much longer than what is achieved today by anyone.

The extreme ends of success is the only success I care about, as is the case with most engineers, stem researchers, and artists. I am not full of spite, I am full of hope.
I still have my youth, I understand how to retain it already, and to a degree of damage, reverse aging/illness.

I've already outdone many of those before me in many ways, and have information in which to do so in even more.

My patience and perfectionist mentality make it a slower journey, there is always more to tweak, more to adjust on this or that project or goal.

I cannot step on anyone's hand when I cannot convince anyone the ladder exists, because they are too full of pride to see it. I have climbed out of more holes than most people think exists, and that is part of my success, not my failure.