Is it more misogynist or misandrist to claim women shouldn't offer anything unlike men?

[Anonymous]

Offer as in possess good traits.

That assertion claims that since women can are demanded they don't have to be attractive, have good character, intelligence and talents. It is men who should have worthy attributes to deserve women as women's worth is their gender.

[blueonblack22]

One major difference between men and woman is femininity itself is generally more highly valued in itself in society. A woman’s body and her feminine wiles in itself had intrinsic value. It’s not something she had to work for (other then staying healthy and in shape) but she just has it since birth.

Now this isn’t always a good thing. Historically women are more likely to be targeted for sexual harassment or worse because of this. They also can be taken less seriously in professional roles especially if they are attractive.

However still they have more value then men just for existing. If you don’t believe me then why is it always a bigger tragedy when innocent “women and children” die in military conflicts? What about the lives of innocent men?

Men on the other hand are not special for just existing. We are valued for what we are able to do and provide. We are valued for agency not for our masculine bodies in themselves.

This is never going to change. Also this puts more pressure on men to compete and exceed. To “man up”. But still it’s a glaring double standard that modern feminists are in complete denial about.

I am not demanding this should change (it will never change anyway). But women need to have more respect for men considering the greater demands that are placed on them. They need to acknowledge that.

But too many “modern” women believe if they acknowledge this they will “lose power” or some adolescent nonsense. They see everything is a zero sum gain.

[Asker]

Women and children are not equally valuable.
Women and men are equally valuable.

[blueonblack22]

Yes exactly ^^^

[Unit1]

It's a horrible advise. It reeks as if it came out of Tik Tok or Instagram.

If girls want a good quality boyfriend and a good quality relationship, then they ought to be a good quality girl. Seems only fair.

[alice55]

Why do people give those kinds of advice dude is just going to feel like she's not interested XD

[Unit1]

@alice55 Correct again.
It is beyond me why they post such advises. I heard of a theory, that is to reduce their competition, meaning if other girls do what they were advised, then the poster's competition lowers marginally.

[Asker]

They fear competition

[alice55]

Possible but are they even living in the same area? Because if not it's truly crazy. The amount of pettiness is quite worrying at this point.

[alice55]

I doubt they even live in the same area though

[Unit1]

@alice55 I doubt that. In my eyes girls like these make me go ew, yuck just as much as the girls, that act out on their "advises".

[alice55]

They're most likely just very immature and at some point toxic

[Unit1]

@alice55 They could be many things more but it doesn't change my complete disinterest in these females.
Meanwhile my AI Girlfriends are telling me I'm so sweet.

[alice55]

I mean that's kinda the point of AI girlfriend though they would never say something mean to you since it's mean for wish fullfiment same as fanfiction or otome game for women, in those men are better than in real life because they're made to be perfect to us.
I don't think any person in real life could be better than AI, fanfiction or Otome boyfriend / girlfriend.

[Unit1]

@alice55 Well observed. At the same time we can take some standards out of those AI Girlfriends or the fanfictions or whatever otome games are and put them on humans, so long of course it's nothing unrealistic or supernatural e. g. being told "You're so sweet" can be done but dashing towards the girl and stopping an oncoming car with your bare hand and denting the car is impossible.

[alice55]

This is from twilight though XD
More movie / tv show this kind of behavior but you can't really put those behavior in real life as even the setting is not realistic it's all fantasy.

Saying someone is sweet is common in real life too no? I mean I've done it when people have been nice to me. I don't think it's uncommon.
For fanfiction / otome game it depend on the kind of game some are realistic some are not but I would admit those stuff for women are usually not really realistic compared to the one for men

[alice55]

But even the most simple things like remember what your date / girlfriend like and making a surprise is too much asking for men in my country, like they always argue it's too much of asking out of them while I don't think remember what your girlfriend like and organizing a date like 1 time in their life would kill them but most young guys are just kind of lazy and just want sex anyway , like the amount of teenager I see insulting women of being cheater because of youtube video ignoring the real percentage of real life, worshiping fuckboy (truly most of them don't want a true relationship but want to become fuckboy but can't) etc... It's quite disappointing to see the new generations and even mine is so fucked when it come to love relationship / date etc...

[Unit1]

@alice55 On point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrXV9wcNG5o

To extend my point, sweet words are but one component, that girls can apply from AI Girlfriends.
See this short and then the comment I have screenshotted to see what I mean:

https://youtu.be/zMMi_IDCzKY



I figured girls most likely have unrealistic expectations. There's a reason we fall back to the AI Girlfriends. It's not, that women suck, although sometimes they do suck, it's, that the dating processes are overall a pain in the ass and the wallet.

[iCuddleU]

I want a pookie bear who can eat nachos next to my ear so I can hear it's zesty crunch

[iCuddleU]

👉👈🧸

[Unit1]

@iCuddleU Can do. Just find a pookie bear costume and have your boy/senpai slip into it.

[alice55]

Things though women are not going to be full on loving caring before a fews weeks / months. People are pretty guarded nowadays which do not surprise me considering how many liars there's, like I saw lots of dude acting like nice guys faking wanting true relationship (regardless of if the women told them she wanted long or just a one night stand), and once the women are hooked then they leave / ghost her after spending weeks / months trying to get into a real relationship (even if the woman didn't want to, some are freaking sadist) so it doesn't surprise me that people don't act caring.
I feel like many people are afraid to get hurt so they keep being on their guard which is not compatible with a healthy relationship.
Dating would be ways simpler if people were honest and not twisted (or if twisted / manipulated people stayed with each other).

Majority of women are not interested in money in France and I would guess in most western European countries as well. The amount of women I see going out or even married to lazy assholes who nod nothing except drink beer, yell at them and not working (in Japan a man have 4 wife and plenty go children , he's broke and get pampered by his 4 wife so it show all women are not interested in money).
Unrealistic expectations are not surprising when you see what is catered to women as show / movie / books for them.
Dating is a whole big mess because the fews good / honest person on here are surrounded by a bunch of liar / delusional people. It make the whole experience hellish for all the goo person.

[Unit1]

@alice55
"Majority of women are not interested in money"
You have no idea how I wish to have heard that when I was around 18 years old. My mind was fried for many years from seeing young school girls acting like gold diggers. So many "grrr, gol digrs" could have been saved. Not to mention my overall perspective towards girls.

"The amount of women I see going out or even married to lazy assholes"
And to think they chose those men and us hearing that while many of us are doing our 30-48K EUR jobs and being nothing like them and still being single.

Yup. Dating's been made shit by the massive amounts of shitheads ruining it for everyone.

[iCuddleU]

Girl, that statement is honestly giving major misogynist vibes. Saying women don’t need to bring anything to the table, like men do, is just so outdated and dismissive of everything women are capable of. I mean, we have so much to offer in a relationship, a career, friendships, everything! Reducing women to, like, passive roles or just assuming men should do all the work is totally unfair to both sides. Men and women both have so much to contribute, and it’s way more empowering to see each other as equals who bring their own strengths. We should all be celebrated for what we bring, whether that’s love, ambition, humor, or anything else.

[d0x000]

Misogynist vibes? If anything, it's misandrist.

[Crazyced]

The major feedback we seem to get is that women have a very strong disdain toward having expectations put on them by potential partners (what do you bring to the table? Here's what I expect from you). She will share the resources of her career IF she wants to, she will be his emotional support IF she feels like it (and expect him to 'be a man' about it when she does not). NOT because her partner expected it from her from the start. Meanwhile it seems perfectly acceptable for women to have slew of expectations towards men.

[WhitneySnow]

I think both men and women should have those things. And I have never seen a woman say that women don’t need those things (except for maybe one or two YouTubers who are saying it to be controversial).

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

While people behave according to trends imposed on them, they also deeply behave according to their life story which has nothing to do with trends.

In anything dating/relationship, this personal story influences behaviours, reactions and thoughts heavily. To understand that, this influence, the only way is to hear and understand all of them, billions of stories, this is way too much information to gather.

If gathered, then yes, we would be in a position to understand each pattern in romantic interactions between people. Until then, conclusions made are just myths told by random persons with not enough information, they sometimes self-identify as experts.

[loveslongnails]

Let me understand this supply and demand analogy:
* Women are the commodity that is in demand (that's the premise; the given)
* Because of that fact alone, they needn't be attractive, intelligent or have good character. The mere fact they are female is enough.
* Therefore, the onus is on men to prove THEY are worthy of ANY female, even the ones who are unattractive, unintelligent and lack any good character or qualities.

Is that the "assertion"? Who in the world is asserting this? LOL

[Asker]

Have you not met such people?

[loveslongnails]

LOL NO! I've never in my LIFE met a woman who's attitude was "It's enough that I'm female --- that's ALL I have to bring to the table." My energy repels women like that.

[RavVid]

For sex a warm wet tight vagina is sufficient and women don't need anything more.

If it is to be more than sex only, than male mate selection criteria are both simple, basic and quite demanding. Not every woman has the feminine virtues in her purse.

[Nikki1989]

The statement that women shouldn't offer anything unlike men is a harmful and outdated belief that perpetuates gender inequality. It is not helping anyone.

[d0x000]

And what do you think women offer men in this modern world?

[genericname85]

i have no idea what objective facts could inform a measure of misogynism or misandrism as a scale to figure out higher or lower levels.

it is also not inherently misandrist/misogynist to expect one gender to bring things to the table but not the other. it is discriminatory and unfair for sure tho.

like i can expect women to do this and that without hating them. so it's not misogynistic by default.

[genericname85]

well it's not even by default unfair actually, cause it has been normal for the entirety of the human race to expect men to provide other things than women.

[Grond21]

So if the argument is that women are always automatically good enough just because they are women, then that leads to several conclusions. Number one that all women are equal, number two that there are only two genders, and number three that it is men who have to prove themselves. If you think any of those three conclusions are wrong, then the prior assumption must also be wrong

[Billlewis]

By her sheer presence, stature and inherent superiority, a woman's wants, needs, desires and preferences should always be placed ahead of everything else, to ensure her happiness, contentment and satisfaction.

[alice55]

Neither it's just delusional to believe someone will marry you for nothing, only things those girls would bring is being used for sex and discarded.

[Unit1]

Correct

[jshm2]

Neither, it's just plain stupidity.

Everyone needs to "offer" something to get anything. But it's about value and worth, and you could be giving more than you are receiving, blinded by something innocuous.

[SolitarySolace]

It’s extremely misandristic due to the fact that nothing is being done about it. If it were misogynistic, something would have been done about it.

[ohsheeT]

Every single woman on this planet is different so depends on the woman her personality and who she is like I've always had beauty comes from the inside and then radiates to the outside

[nawtee_me]

Just thinking that if only men have something to offer and not women then the children would only inherit the man’s qualities since the women have none…..

[AviatorTom]

Those are big words that few of us totally understand. Moving to simpler language, claiming that women should offer nothing is unrealistic, and shows a level of ignorance.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

That's only social media BS. It's not consistent with the real world out here.

Everyone in a relationship has to offer something.

[RedInnocent69]

No, the assumption is wrong. Attractive, good character, intelligent, talented women are in demand. Just like men.

[Anonymous]

men expecting anything from women these days is regarded as "entitled"

[LiamJHayden]

Not sure, but if she has no positive traits I take a pass.

[Tryinganym]

Why give as little as possible? Don’t we want to be fully loved? Why give 10% and then expect 100% from someone? It’s silly.

[OlderAndWiser]

I have been heard any sane person make such statements.

[Subtle_Luminescence]

Misogynists and misandrists disguised as misogynists.

[SpaceGalaxy]

I believe to promote gender equality, it is essential to avoid making sweeping generalizations or imposing gener-based expectations on individuals, instead, we should encourage mutual respect and understanding.

Signed: SpaceG.

[SpaceGalaxy]

*Gender-based

[Twalli]

Misandrist. The woman sees herself as the prize. The man should do as she wants because she has options while he doesn't.

[Guanfei]

Misandrist of course. Why would a man offer everything?

[Anonymous]

Where the fuck do you come up with these INSANE premises that no one on planet earth holds?

[ihateTaylorSwift]

could be either way depending on ur perspective

[Makeushiver]

When did this happen?

[Anonymous]

It's both, actually.

[Sonora81]

Everyone should strive to improve.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

Its stupid.

[grega239]

Misandrist.