Why do women complain about "all men are the same" when they only go after the 10% of the men themselves?

[Filthy_Immigrant]

this is a sequel to this question I asked the other day...

When it comes to hookups and one night stands why do women still go after the 10%?

I never understood this logic. women only go after men who are above average in looks, money and status. these men are obviously only 10% of the population but women tend to forget or not realize it in the first place that these men often times...

• have high expectations too
• have as much options as women themselves
• usually just want ass and other temporary thrill rides

and the list goes on, yet whenever women finally realize the above the hard way they suddenly start to complain about "all men are the same! they dont want to commit! they only want ass!"

but this has always made me wonder, why should 90% of the male population paid for what the 10% of the population have done? do women not also realize that maybe the other 90% have enough problems facing constant rections? dealing with sexual frustration? being exploited for free dates? being used for other free favors? and the list goes on?

[Lliam]

Not this 10% of men trope again. Prove that statistic.
It's nonsense to believe that no woman will date a man who isn't the top 10 in looks, money and status. The only men who believe that are those who dwell in the on-line manosphere and, consequently, have a low opinion of women.

And isn't it true that even the most unappealing guys would love to be with the most attractive 10% of women.

Men and women shoot as high as they can, that's all.

I doubt if many women are concerned about status. And they are more concerned about gumption, know how, potential, and an ability to support themselves than great wealth.
After all, how many young guys have wealth and status unless they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

When it comes to looks, it's subjective. Personality and charisma are more important that cookie-cutter, physical looks.

The guys who think that women are only impressed by looks, wealth and status are the ones who only care about boning a super good looking babe. They see no other value in women.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

1. Hard Data on Female Hypergamy

If women weren’t hypergamous, why do studies consistently show that they only go for the top 10-20% of men? Why do dating apps prove this? In your time, women had fewer choices—now, they have thousands of men competing for them online, and they act accordingly

2. Feminization of Society Since His Youth

I just noticed you are 71 according to your profile. anyways back in your day, women didn’t have thousands of men in their DMs, and masculinity wasn’t labeled ‘toxic.’ Today, women don’t need men for survival, so they only pick the top guys. Do you really think dating works the same way it did 50 years ago?

3. Modern Women DO Prioritize Status & Wealth

If women truly didn’t care about status, why do they consistently choose older, wealthier, higher-status men? If ‘potential’ was enough, why do women prefer men who are already successful?

4. Despite Being 71 You Still Failed To Comprehend Female Nature

You’re arguing from emotions, not reality. Women don’t care about a man’s ‘gumption’ unless he already has something going for him. Do you think a broke 5’6” guy with no status can just ‘charm’ his way into dating a supermodel? You’re living in a world that doesn’t exist anymore

Till then can you answer these questions for me...

If women aren’t hypergamous, why do they chase rich, powerful men?
If looks don’t matter, why do women reject short and unattractive men instantly?
If society hasn’t become feminized, why do men get shamed for being masculine?

Again you are 71 years old...

You grew up in a time when men had authority and respect. Can you honestly say that’s still the case today?
If women truly loved ‘good men’ for their personality, why do they always date bad boys in their 20s and settle later?

[Lliam]

You still didn't 'prove' a thing except that you get your information on-line.
Have you ever gone outside? I do. And I see couples all the time. None of the guys have wealth, status, or particularly outstanding looks.

What do you know about "my time"? I started dating in 1970 when I was 16. It wasn't the good ol' days like Doris Day movies from the 1940s or '50s.

I notice that you switched from looks, wealth and status when you said "If women truly loved ‘good men’ for their personality, why do they always date bad boys in their 20s and settle later?"
Are you willing to "settle"?

It sounds like you are just making excuses for not being able to get the kind of girl you want. And I'm saying that the problem isn't wealth and certainly not status. Maybe you just have a bad attitude toward women.

[molonski2]

I reckon the 10% are most popular FI , but I dont think its exactly as you say , it has some truth , dont think the USA " Rank this.. rank that " system helps any though , I'd never seen that till using this website really , the obsession with rankings.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

I hear a lot of men in Europe complain about the same. wow living in Thailand must feel like being in parallel universe

[molonski2]

Not like it was 20 years ago , more referring to Australia , but yeah its okey.

[4ngelic]

we dont go for the top 10%... that's one of the most strange redpill beliefs. all the women, even the ugliest ones, going for the 9s and exclude everyone else, even 7s and 8s? women tend to go with dudes in their league. hot goes with hot, cute with cute, average with average, ugly with ugly. most dudes have gfs, wifes, have hooked up before etc and most dudes are far from being male models. also most girls dont need their man to be over 6 foot (now being short can be a problem, but average height not remotely), make 6 figures + (only rich women or delulus have this as a necessary standard), be as ripped as a bodybuilder (women actually dont tend to like that level of muscle), have a porn star sized d (obv a bigger dick is better than a smaller one, but you dont need to have a huge or even big one to be fuckable or dateable. men's sex appeal comes from multiple different body parts, not just the dick), etc.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

your profile says you are from Chad. maybe things are different there but here in America you will see women who look like The Penguin from Batman demanding men who are above 6' and make 6 figures for a start

[4ngelic]

i meant chad as in the meme. i'm part American

[Apple1996]

Ima say it again. Everything men say is a fucking projection including the 10% thing. Men are really the ones going after the top 10% of women then ignoring the rest of us 😒 women litterally give the worst types of guys a chance. Look at all the women who chose shit baby daddies and hoped they'd change into good men, the women who chose ugly men or broke men or cheating men like it's very common.

Then to flip to men only being attracted to women who are 18-24, low body count, stunning 10/10 looks wise, "wife material". Men are being extremely picky then mad when they can't find a simple hookup or even a date because they only want the best types of women

[Filthy_Immigrant]

"If women are giving toxic men a chance because they think they can 'change' them, that’s not the man’s fault—that’s a bad decision on the woman’s part. If you truly liked someone, you’d accept them as they are, not try to fix them. So why blame men for women’s bad dating choices?

[Apple1996]

Because it's all the men acting the exact same. Doesn't matter which man a woman picks she'll get screwed over one way or another

[Apple1996]

And like I'm saying men are the ones being picky about who they choose to be with. It's like they can't even bother to look at a average woman even for a normal conversation. I've been victim to that so many times that I'll try to say anything to a man and it's like I don't even exist because I'm not a 10. When it comes to dating it's that but worse

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Men aren’t ‘too picky’—they just finally have options now. Women have been rejecting average men for years, and now that men are doing the same, it’s suddenly unfair? Dating has always been competitive, and both genders have to bring value to the table

[Apple1996]

Men always have had options lol women barely ever have options. Every guy i know has laundry list of standards yet women just want tall men who have jobs 😆

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Men don’t ‘always have options’—the vast majority of men are invisible to women unless they have status or looks. Meanwhile, even an average woman gets attention from tons of guys. If you think women ‘barely have options,’ maybe the issue is that the men you want don’t want you back

[Apple1996]

Obviously you aren't seeing how this is projecting 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[Apple1996]

Men are too busy worshipping hoes on Instagram to notice any average woman

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Instagram didn’t change men’s attraction—men have always wanted beautiful women. The difference is, now men have access to see what’s out there, just like women have had for decades. If Instagram is your biggest concern, maybe the real issue is your competition

[Apple1996]

I don't know what women you are talking about. Back in the day it was crazy common for men to find a woman he was into and ask her father for marriage. The woman had no choice and had to marry some random dude she didn't even know 😂 it wasn't until very recently that women have gotten a little picky but even so many women settle for less then they deserve

[Apple1996]

What online has done was shown that men are desperate for only stunning women and ignore the rest

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Men and women both have standards. If women can reject average men for being ‘too short’ or ‘not ambitious enough,’ then men can also prefer attractive women. The only reason this bothers you is because you're obviously not benefiting from it. but hey is not the end of the world, you are married aren't you?

[Apple1996]

It bothers me because men are saying shit that just ain't true and constantly projecting. It has nothing to do with me since I don't fuck with men lol

[Apple1996]

Men are preferences are out of control crazy. It's not just them wanting a attractive woman

[Filthy_Immigrant]

If men’s preferences are ‘out of control,’ then what do you call women rejecting 90% of men for not being tall or rich enough? Standards go both ways—you’re just mad that men finally have them too.

lucky for you your husband doesn't have these standards

[Apple1996]

Men have always had them and many more of them compared to women just wanting a height and money. And that's not true my husband has standards as well

[Filthy_Immigrant]

If your husband has high standards and still picked you, then why are you so angry about men’s preferences? Shouldn’t you be happy that you got chosen?

[Apple1996]

I got with my husband so young that I created like litterally all of the standards he has now. Not like purposefully but he just thinks it's weird when other girls aren't like me

[Apple1996]

I'm aware that's rare tho most mens preferences come from social media and aren't realistic. I'm mad cuz i constantly hear men complaining theycan't find women but then don't date a women past 30... like your just limiting yourself

[Apple1996]

Obviously the age is just a example but another is like not thinking any women are 10s but then trying to tear down a stunning woman into thinking she's a 5. Why even bother to be with men if your gonna age out or never gonna be good enough looks wise? These are impossible standards for ANY woman so you just won't find one whose gonna put up with them

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Men’s standards have always been the same—youth, beauty, femininity, and loyalty. Social media didn’t create that. Women, on the other hand, now expect millionaires who are 6'2 with six-packs. Who really has unrealistic standards here?

[Apple1996]

Beauty standards for women change ever like 5 years. I litterally can't keep up with them. And no social media has def had a part in them. Like having big boobs I was litterally born in the wrong time for the trend of small boobs to be the craze now.

You don't see it but men are choosing standards that chnage overtime. Women are choosing permanent things so they're more reasonable

[Apple1996]

And I can only speak for myself but I don't expect any of those things from a man besides being a provider but a guy doesn't need millions to do that

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Men’s standards don’t change—youth, beauty, and femininity have always been valued. Women are the ones constantly chasing trends and setting impossible standards. The difference is, men are just now in a position where they don’t have to settle anymore

[Apple1996]

Youth, beauty and femininity have very different meanings to every person so it's changing even between people and overtime as well

[Apple1996]

And maybe it's cuz I'm bi but honestly I value youth, looks and masculinity in a man a lot more than the height and status thing lol like if I had to pick out to those things

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Sure, some beauty standards change, but youth, beauty, and femininity have been valued by men for thousands of years. If you feel pressure to meet all standards, that sounds like a personal insecurity, not a men problem

[Apple1996]

I don't feel pressured because they're litterally impossible for any woman to meet

[Apple1996]

It's mens problem of their own because they'll never find a woman who they completely desire. This is the reason why even the best women like megan fox get cheated on. No woman is ever good enough

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Impossible? Millions of women meet these standards every day. Maybe the issue isn’t men’s standards—it’s that you don’t want to put in the effort to meet them

[Apple1996]

There isn't a way to meet them 😕 not many women are naturally beautiful, obviously everyone ages, femininity is difficult to do when our world is built to appreciate masculine traits instead (i had a question about this )

[Apple1996]

Would there be less of a need for equality if feminine traits/femininity was seen as more valuable? ↗

[meepmeeperton]

It's a hard pill to swallow for men who put women on a pedestal (which is most of us, especially younger niave guys) that women are the more selective sex. Therefore, men who are shitty or even abusive to them already passed their vetting process...

[madgoat]

The ones they acknowledge and yearn after are all the same. Such men have lots of options so of course are not quick to commit.
The ones they are not interested in, they won't actually know.

The statistics behind this idea came from dating apps where they can be measured and presented in a pretty graph.
Dunno if it's meaningful in the real world.

[DishLady]

In reality the average person only actually sees -10% of the human population in their adult lifetime. From that <10% they find perhaps 1-5% attractive, which makes any claims about "all men" or "all women" ridiculous.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Your premise is wrong to being with thinking all women only go after 10% men BS the mansphere teaches you dummies otherwise the average guy out there wouldn't have a girlfriend nor wife and the average man do have a girlfriend or wife.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Ah yes, the classic cope—'b-but average men have girlfriends too!' Congrats, you just admitted women settle. The manosphere never said average guys never get relationships. We said women prefer the top 10% whenever possible. That's why the average guy gets leftovers, single moms, or a girl who ‘settled down’ after riding the carousel in her prime. But keep telling yourself you cracked the code, primo.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Yeah, men perfer the top 10% of women too but the in real world we don't always get what we want.

Most people especially those over 30 settle with a decent man or woman and that is norm in life, not your BS fantasy you like to project here on GAG.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Exactly, most people ‘settle’ after 30—especially women, once their prime years are gone. Funny how that lines up perfectly with the red pill truth you just called ‘BS.’ Thanks for proving the point

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

But the men has to choose them though. It's a mutual

[princeofromance]

They are basing it off of past relationships that were not so favorable.

[Babygirl000989]

There is an ass for every seat

[foxsquirrell]

They are all the same too.