Look, here is the thing. Hear me out please. I am a man, okay? I like to do manly things. Girls are making me seem like I am the toxic one for wanting to be manly. I would never wear a dress because that’s not what men do. However, I do support his decision in wearing that dress. He can do whatever he wants but don’t call me toxic for wanting to do manly things. That’s the idea behind this stuff. They want to make toxic masculinity a thing. They want to normalize feminine men wearing dresses and make being a manly man not normal.
You are a result of brain washing and represent toxic masculinity
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What are your thoughts about Harry Styles wearing a dress?
Wow, so there's the expected gender gap in the poll. As a girl, I'll say that a balanced approach is in order. One, what Harry Styles wears is his choice. Period. Two, what he does does not in any way affect what you can or cannot do. His wearing a dress is not going to stop you from wearing what you like. On the other hand, I fully agree with you about feminist extremism and the manner in which they are making being male itself toxic. I personally detest the SJW crowd and numerous other women do too. As for outlets like Vogue celebrating him, you must remember that there is a political war going on in the USA (I'm not American, but closely follow American politics) and the media is entirely on the liberal side. There is no room for nuance, and both sides present simplistic black-and-white narratives, like this 'women good, men evil' one. As for you, I'd like to remind you that no two women are alike, and there will always be women who like manly men (like myself) and those who prefer a softer and more sensitive type. So, forget about all this and find the right girl!
Well I dont really agree with Harry Styles, but I dont exactly agree with your point either. You say "what man do". When you say this you are only speaking from a perspective that has been created by your life experiences, the cultures that have influenced you, and the people's opinions that subconsciously matter to you in your surroundings. Men wore loincloth thousands of years ago, and those are basically little skirts. And no one questioned masculinity because of it back then now did they? I agree with you that there's extremist hiding behind these movements for "acceptance" of different causes. That they are purposely trying to create "enemies" in society by emphasising concepts like toxic masculinity, or the the opposite too like "toxic feminism", and homophobia, and others... but it seems they just all want to pick up a fight, and I dont support any of it. The only thing I will always believe in is kindness. No matter what a person does or acts like, there is a reason behind. SO if we can treat each other with kindness, compassion, and understanding, ... only then maybe we can start helping each other grow through the difficulties humanity goes through
I do agree with you, but you shouldn't give one-sided poll choices like this. Imagine if it was the other way around and how annoying that would be.
And I heard from someone once that the perverted sicko elitists in entertainment make all A-list actors have to publicly wear a dress at some point, as some kind of "initiation" into their elite club of debauchery and pedophilia. It seems silly at first, until you actually start Googling what he said and realize he may be on to something...
I dont want a feminine man, especially one wearing a dress. And yes it would make me question his sexual orientation. People just makeup words these days. I still dont understand the full toxic masculinity crap but i def want a masculine man. And if we have kids, no they dont get to choose their gender. You are what you’re born. I said what i said.
Being masculine: okay, totally fine 👍 Being feminine: okay, totally fine 👍 Being neither: okay, totally fine 👍 Being toxic: nope, not ok..
The thing is, you are toxic when you are bringing other people down in favour of your own beliefs. You are toxic when you make people feel bad for their choices. You are toxic when you are actively trying to make an other human being feel miserable.
To me you are just who you are, but you are not toxic.
And Harry wearing a dress? Meh, I don't like the dress. But that is my opinion about the dress, not the way he dresses. Cuz that doesn't bother me.
there's nothing un-manly about wearing a dress lol its just an item of clothing. Why do you think girls are always begging their boyfriends to let us do makeup on them for fun? Because women like men who are secure enough in their masculinity that having some fun won't trigger them.
You don't have to wear a dress. You can continue doing manly things. The point of people like Yungblud and Harry Styles doing this is to show that not all men fit into one box, nor should they. Its promoting men to explore themselves and do what they want, its not getting rid of masculinity.
Yeah, you gotta consider every man has a certain SMV (Sexual market value). As Harry styles with a very insanely high smv, can get support from women no matter what he does then it’s fine for him to wear a dress. But me? You think girls would let me hit on them wearing a dress or posting on my Instagram wearing dresses? Anyway, I wasn’t even saying it was unmanly or not to do that. I was saying feminists are taking this to a whole other issue and are trying to make me feel like I’m the insecure one by choosing to do things I like which just so happen to be manly. Why call me toxic for being myself?
There are a lot of young women at the moment into guys painting their nails actually, so yes, you would likely get hit on. Its easier to talk to feminine men than macho men.
Nobody is calling you toxic. Its only toxic if you inflict your views onto other men.
“Nobody is calling you toxic” that’s the idea behind stuff like this. From the girls supporting this view (I’m not saying you included), but they want to turn being a man into toxic brainwashing. They basically wanna make it more of a normal thing for guys to wear dresses and make up than it is for guys to wear jeans, polo and lift weights. I mean you can go ahead and paint your nails as a boy or wear dresses but who does that limit to? If you are ugly or okay looking, your SMV will tremendously go down to a point where you won’t get any girls. You will fall into depression and who knows what else. Certain guys that are very good looking (me), yeah, could get away with it but still, get me?
Scratch that, you are toxic. Who put you in charge of what "unattractive men" should wear and should not wear? A mans worth is not based on how many girls he can get. Who cares if a man "isn't getting girls" ? That should not be a reason to dictate what he wears. If a man wants to wear a skirt, the right girl will love him, rather than someone who loves the fake version of him. The whole movement is to encourage men to be themselves and not conform to your ridiculous ideals.
I wish I could share pictures. Go on google. Type in “men wearing dresses” only attractive guys get shown. Also, do you find it attractive? Would you be okay with your boyfriend wearing a pink or red dress, high heels and make up? You sure?
That’s cool I guess. My point got lost in this. I just want girls to stop telling men that being manly is toxic (toxic masculinity). That’s what they are telling us today (feminists and liberals). Like if you want your boyfriend to wear dresses, makeup and etc, that’s cool. But I am not toxic for not wanting to wear those clothes for obvious reasons. I will be made fun of, stared at in public and draw unnecessary attention to myself. Harry stylers is an attention seeker. Is more of wearing this dress for attention more than anything else.
@googlewasmyidea Unlike somebody who is trying to use deluded shaming tactics in order to paint you as a bad guy, I can tell you that you are not toxic. We live in a time where emasculation of men is a real thing. It is true that any person has the freedom to wear whatever they like, even if it goes against the status quo. Modern feminists (feminazis) are exploiting this to turn men into women while women are being transformed into men. Hence why so many feminists dress, style and behave in a certain way to mimic men.
Billie does have a point when it comes to a man's worth isn't determined by the amount of women he sleeps with. That is 100% correct. Yet ironically, I can guarantee you that Billie and the majority of women on the planet won't respect nor be attracted to a man like Harry due to this mindset and "style". It's the typical "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". The gesture is nice, but it will hurt the person in the long run. It reminds me how people support people to become transgenders even though the suicide and depression rates are insanely high among transgenders... This is no different. I'm yet to find a single well respected historical figure (a man) who dressed like a woman on purpose. Neither in our current time. But anyone, feel free to point them out. Perhaps it helps me to learn something new.
So I disagree with here, miss @Billie_ A guy wearing a woman's dress IS unmanly and a degenerate when it comes to true masculinity & has fallen for the modern feminist agenda which we all know is out there to GET AT men. And just because I don't have to dress like him doesn't mean I can't speak the truth about it, nor does that make me "toxic". Does your boyfriend wear a dress? No? Do you fall for guys who wear dresses like Harry? No? Perhaps Harry can find himself someone in no time, but the average dude who will wear what he wears can search all his life for "a woman who will accept him". And that's not to forget all the other long- & short term consequences to his life. If someone is toxic, then it's those who promote this.
You know I try to stay out of this stuff because of all the crazy feminists, not all but some are just downright insane. Masculinity is okay, feminity is okay. Harry isn't promoting it in a negative way he has a large fan base and he wants to help others be able to have the courage to do it as well. Either way he still gets laid lmao. Sorry I love Harry styles haha. Although I dont agree with everything everyone says it doesn't change anything in the matter of me not liking them just because they have different opinions. You obviously said you dont care you are just worried about the hate and rumors of toxic Masculinity just because you wouldn't do it yourself. I understand your point of view and respect it and I appreciate your respect as well!
I don’t give a flying f*ck if a man wants to wear a dress. That’s not the issue. What I do hate I mean REALLY hate is how the media had to push this as some sort of “fashion revolution” against toxic masculinity. It’s the stupid ass Bruce Jenner “in your face bigots” attitude they have.
I don’t think feminine/trans men should be bullied but they shouldn’t be “celebrated” either. That’s what I have a problem with. That’s not “brave” or “special”. It’s just stupid.
Just saying... men used to wear skirts and high heels and wore make-up back then, so what is "masculinity" anyway? Also, I think people care too much about what celebrities are doing with their lives.
"Masculinity" is what men in a given culture make it. If a guy shows up in western culture today and says having female breasts on a man is normal, he would be rejected by most guys. Now even if half of the guys agreed with him, the other half would split off. Now you have two cultures instead of one. One would be full of feminized males and one would have traditional males. Repeat 100 times if you wish. In the end you still will have traditional minded men saying, "no".
@hahahmm But you're using an extreme example and using it up against something you can't control. Men physically can't have breast, but men can choose if they want to wear make-up or dress up in heels and skirts/dresses, and it doesn't affect their body. Actually, realistically, if we're talking about physicality, it would be a lot easier for men vs women to wear a skirt/dress. I don't think all this really determines how much of a man you are too. I personally like to wear pants and no makeup, and I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty but that doesn't make me any less a woman I think.
@Commander_Red I answered your question... "what is masculinity?" It varies from one culture to another. I think there's some common stuff across cultures but I didn't want to get into writing a long article on that.
But it doesn't look good on him at all. If he's going to wear a dress I think he should at least put some makeup on and do his hair.
And lose the blazer... It literally looks like he just slapped a dress on last second.
I'm assuming this is a publicity stunt. And I guess it's working. I mean it doesn't really look like he actually likes to wear dresses.
I've said this before but I think the Kpop guys and the emo/goth boys can probably pull off wearing a dress.
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Until relatively recently in history, men did wear dresses. The problem people have, I think, is your narrow and inaccurate comprehension of what "manly" is. Arguably, the fear of being perceived as not manly, and the very fragile sense of masculinity associated with it, is itself not manly.
To be clear, I don't think you're a bad person or blame you for seeing the way you do. A lot of us were raised that way and fed that misinformation by equally fragile people. Maybe because of that, I also wouldn't personally want to wear a dress. However, I also recognize that the logic is flawed and probably should be corrected. A real man doesn't concern himself with such things. He does as he pleases.
Exactly, it gives the wrong message to society. It says being a woman is better than being a man and it influences guys to become more feminine which isn't very nice, especially there are kids who look upto him. At least celebrities shouldn't do such publicity stunts to get support from group of people. I mean sure if he wants to wear what he want let him, but don't normalise it so much that it's wrong to be manly.
no one is saying that its wrong to be manly, take superheroes in marvel/dc, they are still manly. and there are two sides to every coin. men being feminine is a personal choice and its okay. we have passed the point in time where women should only wear dresses and people are now allowing that same freedom for men.
I get you. But what I feel is that clothing styles were made different for a reason. The biology of men and women isn't the same. Why else would there be different type of jeans for men and women? Also I don't understand why people are obsessing over this and saying he's such a hero. I mean he just wore a dress that's it. And to the people saying this is how modern masculinity should be I disagree. Masculinity is more about values and actions. Also I feel he did this not because he supports it but to stay relevant. It's fine if he wants ro wear what he like. I just hope it's not made normal to wear dresses for men, I don't want to be forced go wear a dress if it is normalised someday. I'm happy with what I wear already
My opinion on Harry himself is pretty much the same as my opinion when Bruce Jenner came out as transgender: you're not the first, won't be the last, you're not important, so why should I care? There's literally hundreds of more important events going on in the world that I would rather hear about than yet another manufactured outrage story.
I know, girls want guys to be sissy faggots, they want us to cry and be emotional and be scared to fight and cry over a broken nail, But little do they know: being masculine is not a result of being brainwashed by society, being masculine is intact a behavioural pattern encoded into our dna, we want to be masculine because we are male, it’s normal
It’s like me saying that girls wanting to be girly is unnatural and being girly is jus an act from being brainwashed by society and that girls would be boyish naturally if it wasn’t for society, and that’s not true... if a girl was removed from society and brought up alone in her own world... she would turn out femine anyway jus from her dna and genetic makeup, society has nothing to do with it
And being masculine is a completely natural part of being male
Dude, the vast majority of women do not even think the way those girls do who are treating you like that. The girls you describe sound like the ignorant types in universities, who are probably "liberal" as they say. Their thoughts are piss in a bucket.
I think Harry in a dress is ridiculous, but it's his choice. He's probably doing it as a socially political statement for LGBTQ anyway.
Call it what you want, this is degenerecy. I don't know this dude and I care not to find out. But if this is how he chooses to go on about life, then he clearly fell for the modern feminazi agenda. This dude is a woman. Not a man. I'd dare this dude approach the military. My old drill instructors will be happy to have him as a snack
I’d heard a lot about the controversy and sort of eye rolled that anyone cared.
this is the first time I’ve seen it. I’m sort of stunned how utterly shit it looks. Looks like a 5 year old playing dress up. If they wanted to be provocative couldn’t they st least have found something that fit?
Styles has given in to his PR to impress the fans with his 'woke' credentials, even changed his pronouns to keep them happy. Any woman who accuses a man of 'toxic masculinity' is to be avoided as they have a toxic personality and they would never be satisfied with what ever you do. Ignore the women and live for yourself ultimately that's the only person you have to keep happy.
I agree. Men don't have to be manly, but it still is odd when they wear a dress. Some people enjoy crossdressing and it's whatever floats your boat, don't be demanding that I enjoy the sight of it tho.
I am torn on the subject. I think men should have more fashion options, or the ability to wear things not considered the norm, for instance I like wearing thong underwear, or shorter shorts etc. Some call it feminine, I just call it practicality and comfort. But at the same time, the feminization of men is a very real threat as far as i'm concerned.
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