How Can I use Yohimbine HCL?

[Patrik19828414]

I started reading into Stubborn fat and the effect of yohimbine has on beta-2 receptors. For me I wake up at 6 am and walk for half an hour to school ( a mile ) back from school ( a mile ) and about an hour of walking in total in school. If i take yohimbine in the morning will the walking count as steady state cardio- allowing the supplement to take affect?

[redeyemindtricks]

Yohimbine has basically zero effect on β-2 receptors. It's an α-2 (and, to a much lesser extent, α-1) adrenergic antagonist.

If it were a β-2 agonist, like clenbuterol, then it wouldn't have much of an effect on "stubborn" fat. Because that's, like, the whole reason why stubborn fat is "stubborn" -- because it doesn't respond to β-adrenergic agonism.

Anyways.

1)
Are you actually at the point where stubborn fat is the primary thing you need to worry about? Like, are you LEGITIMATELY around 9 or 10 percent bodyfat?

2)
Are you COMPLETELY FASTED when you are doing this?

3)
Something is fishy with the times/distances you've cited. Half an hour to walk a mile, hm? It should take you between 14 and 18 minutes to walk a mile.

4)
What is yr insulin sensitivity like?

5)
How are you dosing the y-hcl?

6)
Walking to school is probably not sufficient intensity of exercise. You should be exercising at an RPE (rating of perceived exertion) of about 3 or 4 -- basically, at about the point where conversation is difficult or impossible. If you could still talk easily, then, not enough exertion to really mobilize the fat.

[Patrik19828414]

Thanks for the long answer :). Thanks for the correction, be sure to remember it. and yeah i'm around the 10 % range. I usually have about an hour to get to school so i take my time and listen to some music. Dose from pill form and yes i'm completely fasted. Would Strength training for an hour be enough?

[redeyemindtricks]

Ok, well, long story short:

• It's best to consume y-hcl with caffeine between 30-60 minutes before the sustained cardio stuff (so probably the moment you wake up). Usually 200-300 mg of caffeine, though you might adjust that up or down depending on yr tolerance for caffeine.

• The optimal dose for y-hcl is WAY higher than most people think. It's about 1 mg per 10 lbs of bodyweight (= about 1 mg per 5 kgs). If you weigh about 150lbs / 70-75kg, then, that means 15mg of y-hcl. (If it comes in 2.5mg capsules, that means yr throwing down 6 capsules at once.)

• Don't jump straight to that dose. Ramp up to it slowly, because (esp in combination with caffeine) it makes some people's hearts feel like they're going to explode. And it might make you feel like you have to piss every 3 minutes.

• YOU NEED TO BE COMPLETELY FASTED, or the y-hcl will not do shit.

• You should figure out some way to increase yr exertion to RPE 3-4 out of 10 (breathing hard enough where conversation would be

[Fearless_banana]

How many years has it taken you to acquire all of this knowledge? Do you have certs or just self taught?

[Patrik19828414]

thanks, so drink take it when i wake up and before some kind of training?

[redeyemindtricks]

difficult). That might just take the form of putting extra weight in yr backpack and walking faster than normal.

• You should try to do that for between 20 and 45 minutes straight.

• If you have a stairwell at yr school, if you can run a few flights of stairs AT THE END of all that... even better.

• Be VERY careful about eating *any* carbohydrates in the 2-3 hours afterward.
Y-hcl "potentiates" insulin response. What this means is that, if you eat a SMALL amount of carbs, then you might secrete excess insulin, and you could go hypoglycemic. (This is not fun.)
Zero carbs is not dangerous.
50+ grams of carbs is not dangerous, either, but, that kinda defeats the whole point. (:
So, try to eat 0 carbs for the 3 hours afterward, too. Pure protein is best (egg whites, whey protein supplement, chicken breast). Try to eat as little fat as possible during those 3 hours.

• Weight training mahahahah... do it at night, or on a different day, when you're recovered and you've eaten.

[redeyemindtricks]

@Fearless_banana No official certifications at all. (I didn't even graduate from college baha) My business is all reputation, discretion, and networking.

I read sports medicine and endocrinology journals on the reg, so, I keep track of the latest developments.

[Patrik19828414]

WOW, thank you for all the info !. So i should just take it in a fasted state and do some kind of exercise which would raise my heart rate enough for it to take effect. Could me just jogging to school be enough? leaving me at the point of exhaustion

[redeyemindtricks]

At yr age, if you were using heart rate as a metric, then 135-140 is a pretty good standard.

BUT, note what I wrote up there -- y-hcl accelerates lots of people's heart rate (esp in combination with caffeine). So,30-60 min after popping those pills, you might end up with a HR of 135-140 just sitting there in yr chair, lol.

That's why I didn't mention a heart-rate standard, and why I mentioned a RPE ("perceived exertion") standard instead. Because "breathing so hard that conversation starts to become impossible" is basically the same level of difficulty for everyone.

The point is that yr *not* exercising to exhaustion or failure. It's not RPE 7-10, it's RPE 3-4. You should EASILY be able to maintain it for 20-30 minutes. For 45 minutes it should start to get labored, but, you shouldn't be struggling too much.
The stairs are all out, if you get to that part.

[Patrik19828414]

alright, i just won't take caffeine, not my thing, and just jog a mile to get to that RPE of 3-4. Again thanks for the info

[redeyemindtricks]

In that case, jog a *couple* miles. Jogging a mile is only 9-12 minutes, depending on what kind of runner you are -- that's not really enough time for the y-hcl to achieve its maximum effect.

You CAN also do glycogen-depletion weight training, as a substitute for this kind of thing.
If you don't know what that is, just look it up. Basically, long-ish sets (45-60 seconds) with fairly light weight, that should BURN like a fuckermother. If you've ever run the 400-meter dash and "hit that wall" at the end... glycogen-depletion weight training should create exactly the same feeling in the muscles that you are training.
That sort of thing can be substituted for the jogging/steady-state (or added onto the tail end of it).

Don't lift HEAVY while fasted and on y-hcl, for reasons that should be dreadfully obvious.

Good luck.

[Mr_Darcy]

Too many side effects. Just stop eating and drink water and chew a tiny bit of wheat grass every day.

[Patrik19828414]

Best. Answer. Ever

[Mr_Darcy]

it's just safer.

[ConsultantIsBack]

@redeyemindtricks knows this better than anyone

[Patrik19828414]

Thanks, ill be sure to ask him ;)

[redeyemindtricks]

baha "him" mah name's in pink text for a reason mah frennn

[Patrik19828414]

@redeyemindtricks xD Sorry