When it comes to people dying the numbers are way off & when all this started I asked if people were dying from covid or with covid & when someone passes away & they happen to test positive the number automatically goes to covid which I think is wrong.
Yes I agree
People were buying them online just so they can travel & jump on planes, trains & more.
Well damn.. I guess those are people thirsty to travel, and don't want to get the vaccine.. LOL
Thanks for MHO!.. 😎👉
And those people suck.
Like using any app it’s the Terms & Conditions we never read & boom they sell your information & more. That is a good tip & regard to HIPPA & thank you for sharing that.
Exactly. Sad that all it takes is one push of a button to give your personal information away smh.
It is not a HIPPA violation.HIPPA is used to protect your medical information but only applies how physicians, hospitals and health insurers share a patient's information with third-party entities.HIPPA doesn't protect information you give about yourself. If you give your vaccine card to someone to check you are willingly giving your information.
They cannot confirm if you received your vaccination since it would be some form of Healthcare provider. There is no CDC or federal database. The Healthcare provider can't confirm that the 3rd party requesting the information has your consent unless you release your medical records to them specifically. Showing your card is just that, showing your card. That's why the app was made for verification purposes because places couldn't verify said vaccination cards and in it's terms and conditions it states that you waive your right to HIPPA. It's why having fraudulent cards are such an issue, they can't be verified. I'm not sure if they are going to change the laws for this specific purpose but as it stands it's a privacy issue.
You are willingly giving your information so it is not a violation. Even if they need to confirm, you have given them the info to confirm. But I believe when looking for the info they can only see if you have been vaccinated or not, they cannot see any other info because you haven't given them permission to access that info.
I see what you're saying. When I worked at the health department a few years ago we couldn't release any information even if it was to confirm why someone missed work. The person would have to authorize us on our end to release any information by signing a release form. Because it's all too easy for someone to say they have that authorization. It's to cover the Healthcare facility.. that person could later say they never gave such authorization. If we didn't have documentation that information could be released then we were held liable.
If the apps are made by each state then they would probably have some rule that allows them to get access to that specific information. Probably why the apps are taking a while to come out. Not a very hard app to make in theory but if it can scan a code for example and then match that up to the covid vaccine medical database it would be entirely secure.But in reality if there was a breach the only thing entities who are not covered by HIPPA have to do is tell you there was a breach. That is all they are required to do.
Very true. I wouldn't be surprised if they mandate the vaccine soon even with the government saying they won't. Yes hopefully secure. These days it seems anything can be hackable. Yes and they will explain what data was breached. There's not much else they can do on a personal level. But HIPPA is in place for a reason and the Healthcare facility will have legal actions taken against them. Starting with the termination of whoever is to blame. I only bring it up because I feel like the government is going to modify HIPPA regulations or use us agreeing to waive our HIPPA rights against us at a later date. Might end up not having any privacy rights. Then what's next..
Smh that you would rather risk getting the virus. Let's say someone found out that you got the vaccine, how would they possibly use that information against you?
The vaccine doesn't make you immune. It's too early to trust something. The FDA hasn't even felt comfortable enough to fully approve it. There are too many unknown variables and I'm one of those people who like to know what else I'm risking. And that's not the major concern with having your privacy violated. It's concerning that so many people are willing to give up certain rights just to be able to not have to wear a mask or to get in somewhere.
@Smashingdoozy You're correct, it has NOTHING to do with HIPPA. However, it's still a counterfeit document and purchasing one, and/or using one, carries criminal penalties depending on where the offense occurs. Since this is a relatively "new" problem, legal ramifications are still being formulated. I have little doubt that in some countries, you'll be facing jail time like you would for using any fake ID. If that country takes the pandemic particularly "seriously", you could be facing a LOT of jail time.
Yep I wasn't talking about fake ones here 😊
You're giving out misleading information. The vaccines increase your immune response, and the greater you are at risk, the greater the need for that response. You give away more "rights and information" every day you use your cell phone or smart TV, or go on social media, compared to the medical information on an app. Your refusal to take the vaccine is based on your own assessment of the personal risk factor, not trial information, not stats currently gathered. Why? Because there hasn't been a long enough time.If there had zero cases of ANY side effects from ANY vaccine, anywhere in the world, anti-vaxxers would indeed point to THAT as something to worry about. They'd say it was falsified data. If there were 10 cases, same thing. 50 - doesn't matter. This is about your own personal evaluation of risk, which you feel is low. The rest is just rationalization... BECAUSE... if Covid-19 had a kill ratio of 50%, you bet your ass you'd be getting vaccinated asap, regardless of the long range testing.
Anti vaxers will find any excuse not to get a vaccine. It's those who don't even bother to take other precautions that bother me. Don't want to get the vaccine fine I don't care but keep wearing your masks and keep social distancing.
No it's not all about HIPPA in regards to the cards. If others don't want to try and understand the implications then ok but I'm not giving misleading information when it comes to something as serious as privacy rights. I'm only wanting to bring it to people's attention so maybe they will now at least be thorough. I honestly actually do care. What possible reasons would I bring it up otherwise? If people disagree than ok but don't sit there and try to discredit it by labeling me as an anti-vaxxer trying to spread misleading information because I'm looking for anyway to justify why I won't get vaccinated. You can't make false claims stating that I based it on my own personal risk factors and not trial info or stats gathered because you honestly do not know what I base it off of and tbh you, sadly, can't be more wrong from the truth. Arguing or insulting my intelligence is not going to change anything. I back up what I said 100%.I will continue to refuse this vaccine regardless if Covid was killing off half the population. I'm not even an anti-vaxxer. My reasoning for not getting vaccinated isn't because of side effects. I understand side effects to be less concerning and serious than sickness or death. I'm not uneducated or blind. I'm actually quite rational. I have been and continue to get vaccinated for everything outside of Covid. I take medication regularly and undergo surgery regardless of any side effects. I've been relatively steering clear of anything in regard to Covid until recently, because of these exact reactions. If anyone doesn't want to understand or take my advice then that's personally up to them. I have no reason to argue or bully anyone into doing so.
" I will continue to refuse this vaccine regardless if Covid was killing off half the population." And that right there is a statement that brings into question your "reasoning", not your intelligence. Why is it that folks don't understand there's a difference between the two? Serial killers are often incredibly intelligent - it's their reasoning that's askew. Back to the point... Is there a kill factor that WOULD change your mind? How about 7 out of 10? Or 8, or 9 ? At what point does it not matter because you're probably going to die anyway? How important will privacy be if there are only 1/10 of the population left around to have it?
Ok I admit that maybe that statement was a little short sighted on my part. But it goes for as it stands now.The privacy is only a small factor of concern, I wasn't trying to claim it as more. I just wanted to inform on the privacy aspect. It's just a part of the big picture. It might seem unimportant as of now but sometimes those are the tiny 'small print' things we later on don't realize. I understand your concerns and thought process.. why people who refuse this vaccine doesn't make sense to you.. it's frustrating. I 100% get it. If I didn't know what I know, I would be right there with you. Trust me. I'm not saying you're wrong by any means.I'm not trying to push my reasoning onto anyone. I know It comes down to people's personal experiences and perspectives. I could honestly give multiple verifiable facts but it will be taken with a grain of salt because of who I am not. I wouldn't be seen as a credible source and I completely understand these aspects.. that's why I only focus on giving advice about small 'unconcerned' matters. I'm not trying to get you to understand. That would be futile. Your assumptions of my reasoning is just way off base hun.
I like your honesty & being a waitress I could only imagine the amount of people that tell you that on a daily basis. The other night a few of my friends & I met up at a bar & sat down at a table & my friend told the waitress by the way we are all vaccinated at this table & she said she was as well.
The thing, that waitress may or may not be. My poor do worker got ridiculed by a lady the other day because she asked if he was vaccinated and he said “that is rather a personal question” people ask these questions and don’t understand Covid has become so political and servers should not be talking about politics
As for the waitress she may be telling us what we want to hear just to hustle us for tips & when it comes to the covid vaccine I always say to each is own. As for your coworker I’m willing to bet he didn’t get a good tip from that table or did he? As for you being a waitress since things have been slowly opening are you finding that people are tipping better, the same or less?
There’s a waitress here that tells people she did, but she didn’t because she doesn’t want to hear people. He didn’t get a good tip from that table and that lady started arguing with people. People that are now coming in are mostly elderly people and they do not buy much, and give lots of attitude. I work in a upscale cafe though.
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fuck off with that commie bullshit
@joeldalton What does protecting public safety have to do with an economic philosophy? Refusing to get vaccinated should be a felony. Coming within 6 feet of another person without a vaccine constitutes attempted murder and should be so prosecuted. That has nothing to do with economics. That is public safety.
Do you remember when there was a group of people who had to put yellow stars on their clothes? For the public good, of course.
Congratulations on the real deal & as for the people with bullshit cards some kind of legal action should take place & the good news is that it is already happening. A little scary it is.
To each is own I always say & I like your honesty by the way.
Thanks.. I've been having other health issues do until I know it would even be safe for me, I'm holding out... Don't make me an anti vaccer or conspiracy theorist
Sorry you don’t feel well.Please , Never take that experimental crap!
True. If you get the vaccine, then it doesn’t matter if there are hold-outs because they’ll just get sick anyway and won’t spread it to you because you’re vaccinated. And if you’re unvaccinated and can still spread it to vaccinated people, then what’s the point of the vaccine at all?
I’m actually surprised our drivers licenses aren’t linked yet. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have federal driver’s licenses instead of state in the up coming future.
To each is own as I say & as for me I was totally against the vaccines until my coworkers & close friends started getting it & five of my friends have died.
Yea all my fam has it and my moms coworker died and all my other grandmas siblings died
That really sucks & in this day & age it sucks that there is a shortage of so much medical equipment & I wish everyone well & I with everyone the best during this pandemic.
I wouldn’t call it an issue yet however people are buying or printing fake vaccine cards so they can travel without getting the vaccine.
Yes you do mate. It's coming for us. We can't escape it! Calm before the storm, only.
@Levin Not if we achieve herd immunity.
On the news they said the government is cracking down on fake cards because the misuse of the CDC logo & more & I think it’s a great idea.
Thumbs up on your second shot & hopefully it didn’t hit you to hard.
... I will never get a legitimate real one, because I will never do what is required to GET a legitimate real one.
I agree with that & I always say to each is own & if people want to get the vaccine it’s their business.
I totally agree.
Why can't they just check the card against the microchips in the vaccine? :)
I’m pretty sure you’re wrong.
Canada just canceled one of there's after giving it to hundreds of thousands of people, not worth the risk when I'm healthy
Some people were selling the cards for $5.00, it’s genius all the way unless they get caught.
Make copies !
I do t need one.I’ll Never take the “ Lethal Injection “