If this vaccine is killing people, is it really a good idea to take this vaccine?
I asked for your thoughts, not world war three
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Trending & News We do not live in a world where reverse transcriptase and horizontal gene transfer are unknown; they taught everyone reading this about them in high school biology class (most of you probably don't remember, and some of you may be old enough that they actually WERE unknown, or just theories, but the idea was out there, in common circulation). Viruses absorbing RNA information and mutating with it is where quite a bit of viral mutation comes from. And now, the very spike protein that made Covid such a contagious disease, is being potentially shared with the scores of trillions of viruses circulating throughout the bodies of over a billion people- and the call is for MORE. For EVERYONE to do this.
The H5N strain of bird flu has an IFR of over 60%. That's almost double the lethality of smallpox. SMALLPOX. A disease so dangerous that a massive human effort was undertaken, and now it's extinct in the wild- the only disease we've ever done that with (rinderpest is gone completely, but that was a cattle disease). The only reason bird flu isn't a threat to human society is because it's almost impossible for it to spread from human to human- it basically has to go through birds. But let one of it- just ONE- absorb that RNA, and you could have the beginnings of a civilization-destroying plague. What kind of disease could justify risking that? A slow-killing Ebola that shows no symptoms until it's too late? Some kind of super-AIDS? Surely something that threatens to kill us all, because that's the only way that that kind of risk- that kind of KNOWN risk, since there's no shortage of unknown elements- could possibly be accepted. It must be some unstoppable killer plague, right?
No. Covid. A disease less dangerous than chicken pox. And yet it convinced nearly every health organization to panic so completely that it redefined the very way deaths were counted- if you had TB and died of a heart attack, you were not counted as a TB death, even though it may have contributed. But if you tested positive for Covid, and then died of, say, a gunshot wound, or a car accident, you were recorded as a Covid death (here in the US, anyway). For this, we threw the doors open to a new FORM of technology on a massed scale, bypassing ALL but the most rudimentary safety tests and skipping animal testing completely. We have set the precedent that safety rules don't matter if you're scared enough.
It may turn out that the thousands of deaths attributed to the "vaccines" (a status they were only granted for legal reasons; in technical terms, they aren't) from VAERS alone may be due to other causes (I'll not be party to separate sets of rules for entities just because I agree with them); the hundreds of thousands of injuries may likewise be unrelated, or only tangentially so. But that's really only secondary; the risks being taken in other viruses mutating (you're a danger to every living thing vulnerable to viral infection until that mRNA degrades) and the precedent being set are probably going to mark this as the biggest medical mistake in human history.
I really thinl that they needed a recession amd then scared too many uneducated people to have one, it went too far and now they have a "cure" to put the recession back into growth again. I am waiting for the double dip in stocks to make money every recession. If what you are saying is correct the vaccine is a placebo. Well Madernas bersion anyways. Yeah, if a virus reverses the RNA protein into its own DNA where would the spike protein be made in a virus, it would have to litterally replace it's method of infection. Oh wait SARS was before Covid, the spike would be there but the cellular placement of the proteins would be wrong, DNA is like a program more like the registry of MS Windows. I could have the code in the registry, but if you run the code in the program Windows desktop would not be affected and it will do not it's intentions.

Dude don’t ask these type of questions. 99% of the people are too stupid to think for themselves. They’ll follow each other and fall into the cliff.
What is health?
In 21st century.
eating based on pleasure and not healing.
We are living beings we eat dead flesh and sugar and everything mixed together with unclean water,
drink all types of liquids that are garbage mixed with sugar and other crap we can’t even Pronounce.
And then we don’t move or even exercis3.
and we Frequently get a headaches. stomach aches problems/ back problem head problems and we get a headache stomach aches and etc..
That’s our body giving us a sign that it’s breaking down.
We ignore all that avoid the sun, even though sun is life!
put chemicals in our hair and skin in our bodies in her ears in our mouth and etc...
And our body becomes fat and sick.
And then we believe injecting ourselves with poison.
Which most people don’t even know whats in those needles.
And we call those health!
Before 2030 social media companies won’t be able to hide the deaths anymore.
But it’ll be too late by then.
The human population is already declining worldwide. The whole inflationary monetary system we have been operating under has to end, because of this. "great reset" Check out some of Peter zeihans talks on youtube. Good info from another angle. May change your mind
@cjmtherfcker The human population is not declining. In some countries, yes, but the global population continues to grow.
I'm sorry this happened to your father, he was very unlucky.
However, I believe that the benefits of getting the COVID-19 vaccine outweigh its risks; there is no increased mortality rate among vaccinated people relative to unvaccinated people.
If you take 10 million people and just wave your hand back and forth over their upper arms, in the next two months you would expect to see about 4,000 heart attacks. About 4,000 strokes. Over 9,000 new diagnoses of cancer. And about 14,000 of that ten million will die, out of usual all-causes mortality. No one would notice. That’s how many people die and get sick anyway.
But if you took those ten million people and gave them a new vaccine instead, there’s a real danger that those heart attacks, cancer diagnoses, and deaths will be attributed to the vaccine. I mean, if you reach a large enough population, you are literally going to have cases where someone gets the vaccine and drops dead the next day (just as they would have if they *didn’t* get the vaccine). It could prove difficult to convince that person’s friends and relatives of that lack of connection, though. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is one of the most powerful fallacies of human logic, and we’re not going to get rid of it any time soon
Then why do people seem to dismiss what economist's say that the next Great Depression will be worse then the one from 1929? and housing crash will be worse than the one from 2008? Why do people reject God's word's when prophecies have come to fruition? I am not dissing health officials, but it makes me scratch my head when people laugh and call economists stupid about our economy. Their job is to look at data, statistics and numbers. But the reason why people call economists stupid is because people want to avoid the truth about how shitty the economy is and how shitty the economy was before covid even hit years and months prior... But rarely anyone talks about that and that shows me people are glued to the television set of mainstream media and going beyond the confines of this virus and that requires human logic as well that people will disregard and call me a fucking idiot... I know that. People don't want to hear an economic collapse because that's negative news, when people here "good" news that this vaccine will eradicate a virus people will run to the gates. The true sign of someone is mentally tough is someone that can take news on the good side but also the bad. Mark my words, another Great Depression will happen and WW3 will happen, those events will make Covid seem like a walk in the park yet people lost their damn minds (on both sides) and argued and fought each other.
Personally not gonna get the vaccine. If others want it than that's a choice they can make. It seems like a lot of people feel the need to bully others into getting this when it's a serious medical decision that should be thought about and discussed with a doctor. Not just randomly getting it cause that's what the news it telling people to do.
amen sister! if the vaccine really was effective and useful then people like us who refuse to get vaccinated should not be a problem or a threat to anyone.
and please do not let them get to your head with the new "delta variant" bullshit. this is just more excuses to scare everyone into getting that vaccine
I agree with you 100% for any one who is pro-vaccine arguing and belittling others is quite stupid. I do think if it's flu season and someone is on the bus then wear a mask to avoid catching germs or wash your hands properly when you get home. But no one should be FORCED to take to the vaccine. For people to think that just because a scientist or health official state the vaccine works it was something created on the fly because of the pandemic. However, what are the long term health affects? I think it's a money grab from the pharma industry. When I was doing physiotherapy exercises, my physiotherapist mentioned that even insulin for diabetics is also a money grab, that if diabetics reduced their weight significantly they would not need insulin as much or if at all. Just because a doctor says to do it does not make it credible 100%. I know doctors who are racist, condescending, stubborn, conceited, and sexist who only say "oh if you're dealing with depression take these pills for the rest of your life", that's the logical solution a psychiatrist has for a patient? Go take more pills? Well if thats the case everyone here on GAG can be doctors then. I respect what economists have to say about our economy, I do respect our doctors in the health care system, I do respect good professors and teachers who help students expand their minds and etc. But the coin has two sides and not everyone is honest, not everyone is fit to do their job, the list goes on. So yeah, you have the right to say no to the vaccine, it does not make you "selfish" as pro-vaccine supporters will say. I personally think the vaccine was created and it will probably be here for a while. I think it was to create a rift amongst the public and I don't think governments on the left or right care at all. I think governments want society to kill each other and depopulate, that's just my opinion, people don't have to agree with me on that.
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I believe the virus is real but I think it’s man made and other countries like the US know this in my opinion. Americas government and agencies lied about 9/11 and went after Saudi men for bringing down the world trade centres in New York. But look at the US today, continuing to do business with Saudi Arabia for oil purposes and money. This virus was used as biological warfare to cause a huge rift between countries. What did the US do? Blamed China automatically where Trump deemed it the “China Virus”. Economists were warning of a recession summer 2019 that major job losses and a financial collapse was looming. But people live this make belief world that the economy is perfect and we fight each other over stupid ideologies like capitalism or communism. I’ve already wrote enough even if I provided factual historical evidence people will still hate on me. But as a former political science student and doing my masters in public policy I have examined the economy and what has occurred recently. What we are going through today is eerily similar of what happened between 1919-1945. Spanish Flu (1919-1921), roaring 20s, Great Depression of 1929 and World War II. Today, Covid (2019-present), governments will say the economy will “bounce”back and be strong. Meanwhile economists are saying shit is going to hit the fan and the next big collapse is coming. President Joe Biden said he’s in favour of a Great Reset, prettier way of saying another Great Depression. All the US has to do is continue printing money like it always has and giving stimulus cheques for people to keep their yapper shut. But with higher inflation this is a recipe for disaster mark my words. People have a right to their opinion, if you’re pro vaccine, fine, if you’re not, okay fine, everyone can have an opinion. But why is it that people take the health industry of what they say as GOLD but when economists warn of an economic collapse people dismiss it and call it lies? Two professionals that completely opposite. My doctor has told me for years, ohhh if you’re feeling pain take Advil or Tylenol…I don’t take it, I’m not going to be hooked to pain killers. If people want to take the Covid vaccine shot for the rest of their life then that’s their life. I personally wouldn’t, I’m going to get my 2nd dose and that’s it. I’m not going to take a billion Covid shots when I don’t know what the hell this will have on my overall health in the future. People should go watch The Purge movie from 2017 I believe and listen to beginning of how eerily similar it is to our time today. Hollywood knows what’s going on to, they cater to the government. This world is fucked, I’m not dying for a political party, I’m not dying over an ideology based on greed. I will live a modest lifestyle, help others, be cautious, be safe, educate myself with more books (not just main stream media) and pleas God. If someone wants to shit on my comment because I voiced my opinion about something and I am not taking sides then so be it. But when this world goes through hell in the next few years and people called me a moron, I’m just letting others know, I told ya so.
Im not sure why everybody is afraid of contracting it, but will put it in their body voluntarily.
A vaccine is when you microdotte yourself with an illness so your body becomes immune.
I could do that by just being in public with somebody who has it.
I could go as far as slicing open my arm and having somebody infected, sneeze on it, so my white blood cells are directly exposed to it. (That's how the Native Americans learned to battle small pox, by the way!!)
We didn't react that crazy about H1N1, about the Ebola outbreak, or about the Swine flu. And when it comes to STDs, it's not Legal in select states, to have sex with somebody who ISN'T infected, WITHOUT THEM BEING TO KNOWLEDGE!!
If ANYTHING, people with THOSE diseases, that literally do shut down your immune systems and cause MORE premature death than COVID-19, should be quarantined BEFORE somebody with a sneeze, even if it is their allergies, should ever be looked at crazy!
I believe the Media, blows things out of proportion, and the government likes to use issues like this, for political fuel!!
Thoughts?
Bruh.. You are very privileged in your country as you haven't see the horrors of covid in your country. I come from a developing country and one of the fastest growing economy. And trust me it's way more horrific than you read on the news, people beg to get admitted, I personally have went out looking for oxygen cylinders and used to go every 6 hours to find more. So sure the media does blow everything out of proportion but I have seen how people who were cocky about not being affected by covid at all, fight to their dying breath and realize that they were wrong.
I can see your point of view, but I'm just going off statistics when I say this...
33.6M (33,600,000) people in the United States have caught this disease. Only 604,000 people have died from this disease.
That's only 1.8% of infected people. (rounded up)
That's 18 people every 1000 people...
Seeing this diseases actual success rate in a manner of statistics, white it only having a 01.8% success rate, it's because the main problem is peoples immune systems can't combat being sick, especially with a relatively new disease.
It's unfortunate that we did lose the people that we did, I never said we haven't lost ANYBODY.
I'm merely saying that this virus truthfully isn't as scary as people say it is.
No amount of currency or compensation could repay the value of a loved ones life. None.
However, we've lost more people in the US due to random homicides and drugs overdoses than COVID-19! And Oklahoma recently legalized ALL drug use!
I'm not sure what country you're from, or what problems you may face in your society, and I am sorry for the loss of your loved ones. They were just incapable of fighting it. That happens with things like these.
But you have to understand that we may have more statistics for this, as there are not many countries larger than the United States.
Also, not many people actually stuck out the Quarantine!
We should still fight for your country to receive medical treatment and help in trying to resolve this pathogen problem, before others have to deal with it.
But with something new like this there are going to be casualties.
@Luvme66 Definitely has a point. Most vaccinated countries don't really worry anymore, it's a matter of choice for vaccines. In South Africa we are hearing of people (in their 20's and 30's) getting killed by the virus. It's really no longer a "old persons sickness". You arrive at hospital (we privileged with private medical care) and they turn you away saying there are no beds. You can literally be dying and they cannot help you.
The death rate then becomes 5 in 100, or 1 person in 25 dies. Besides that, the excess deaths are really piling on.
I don't recall knowing anyone who died from H1N1 or swine flu. But i can count a lot of covid deaths.
Taking a vaccine which gives you a fighting chance so you don't have to deal with potentially long term damage from a virus sounds like a no brainer to me.
All I'll say is their obsession with everyone to immediately take an experimental vaccine, authorized for emergency use, notwithsatnding politics, is reckless, and shows little regard for concern of well-being in itself, as there is NO substitute for patience in quality, no amount of money, data, or power can guarantee future unknown problems won't surface, and the borderline, often even crossing, authoritarian arrogance with which they demand people take this vaccine, even resortng to threats, intimidation, incentives (I'm sure because like corporate CEOs they're 100% empathetically, selflessly obsessed to serve another's well-being) with which they are BULLYING those in lower positions of wealth or power than them, often with little regard to hear any voice that doesn't echo their own (not even agree, just make an effort to listen to their idea, with an open mind, they don't know everything, is disgusting.
I will take an emergency use vaccine if I believe a unique circumstance warrants its emergency use, at my own discretion, as others are free to get vaccinated as they see fit.
All vaccines cause a certain percentage of side effects, from mild, to serious to fatal.
The idea behind a good vaccine is that it is less dangerous to take it than not to take it and potentially contract the disease it is designed to protect you against.
You are right to be skeptical. A massive amount of government misinformation and conflicting "science" has been reported by government agencies and politics seems to have replaced science.
The question isn't whether the vaccine is 100% safe. It isn't. No vaccine is. The question is whether you are better off taking it than not taking it.
For most adults who don't have certain contraindicating conditions I believe the answer is yes, they are better off taking it. Sadly, some relatively small percentage will have serious side effect and some will even die.
For younger people, at least people 18 and under, I think there is evidence that the answer may be that it is better not to take it at this time as there is some evidence it is riskier to take it than not. That may or may not change as they study it more.
It's just nice to have the morge back to a mostly normal number of bodies.
So many ignorant people bought the lies that covid was "like the flu" when there are bodies pilled to the ceiling and we have to have refrigerated trailers to hold them , it's not, despite what a compulsive liar said, a democratic hoax!!!
So many people have died because an idiot, with zero human compassion downplaying the facts and promoting quack snake oil for his own benefit.
How many more will die because the flat earthers, big foot believers , and alien abduction survivers aka anti vaxers?
I was nervous about it too because like any vaccine there are risk. But can you image how many more people would have died from covid-19 if people didn't get vaccinated to create herd immunity?
I just got my first shot on Monday. Was fine the first day but today my arm hurts, body aches and feel very weak. I just slept through it. I would make sure you have a couple of free days before you get it. If you get it. But I honestly believe the vaccine is safer than taking your chances with covid-19.
Good luck.☘🍀
Most people usually give that shill bollocks as a result of covid itself. It's surprising to hear the tides being turned, although of course I knew it all along.
Something very sinister is afoot. I won't be taking the vaccine. And I feel very sorry for you young people because you're often not in a position to have done your independent research, nor sufficiently strong enough as an individual to resist societal pressure.
I'm sorry, but the adults have wholesale abused you throughout this 'pandemic', and they have always abused you in general.
I have to agree with you, and have many friends and acquaintances who feel the same. None of us, want to die of Covid-19. My family is vaccinated, but I have resisted the same as yourself. The idea of this wholesale-across-the-board vaccination of the entire planet, is a frightening prospect, and after saying that, I do not fear a 'conspiracy' as do my friends, it just seems to be such a tremendous 'over-kill".
I planned to travel to Europe in September to Dubai, Cairo, Istanbul, and the Greek Islands. The requirement is 'vaccination proof" and even more, covid testing between countries, for 72 hours, even after vaccination. That is the insanity of the vaccination requirement?
@Bricealan I can't get my head around what's going on. To me, it all looks very evil. Once you start to connect the dots. I'm surprised other people can't see it.
It's clear that those who won't submit to the new normal, the criminal insanity of it, are potentially never going to travel again. And it won't be long before they're excluded from society in general in the UK at least. With the introduction of apartheid type digital id systems. How long will be before I lose my job potentially for not complying?
People are out there saying we don't know the long term consequences when side effects on pretty much every vaccine have shown up within weeks.
meanwhile covid we know gets into the nervous system, testes etc and you're not worried about long term impacts of that we don't know about, Covid may flare up again in the future like chicken pox virus does (with shingles) etc. We have no idea long term impacts of having it, but they're much more likely than long term impact of having mRNA tell your body to produce a piece of the virus, once, and not being infected.
@DrHonesty they significantly reduce odds of infection and transmission on top of reducing severity.
Ignore all the conspiracies for now - from both sides.
Here are the facts:
1. Vaccines usually take 5-10 years until they get seen as safe enough to be brought to the public. With new vaccines its closer to 10 while the 5 years usually only happen with yearly vaccines such as the flu one.
2. mRNA vaccines are new. This is the first ever vaccine like this.
3. Many governments clearly stated it in their documents that this vaccine is only temporary allowed as there is no final conclusion to the long-term effects - since it simply is impossible to know.
Everything beyond that is risk assessment. Do you think the risk of the virus is higher or that of the vaccine. But to say this vaccine is absolutely safe just tells you people have not taken the time to educate themselves on it.
Dude. It's a pandemic. You have 5 years to evaluate a vaccine? Good luck. Tell me your burial preferences and I'll put your talking points on your tombstone.
Problem is if people hadn't gotten vaccinated at the rate they have, the deaths wouldn't have lessened. Not to mention corona virus is not new to us. They've been studying it since 2003 I believe it is. This is just a new strain of corona virus. But it's not like they just started studying it from scratch to make these vaccines.
At this point if you are healthy the risk of the vaccine may be more risky not knowing the long term effects. It's hard to say. That's why it's such a hard decision to make. But I'm thankful for those who have helping to lessen the deaths and allowing our country to open up again.
I chose to get it only because I do have health problems and may not be able to fight off covid-19 if I got it.
@PinkMichae something we should be aware of is that the goal posts for what constitutes a positive corona virus test result have been tightened throughout this pandemic, cynically or not to coincide with the vaccine rollout. Plus we saw the same steep declines after winter respiratory virus season last year and there wasn't a vaccine. Finally even the mainstream news are reporting that flu and pneumonia are killing 10 times as many people as corona virus at the moment.
@loveslongnails
Reading comprehension. I didn't say they needed or didn't need to be evaluated for 5 years. I said it is risk assessment. What you consider the bigger risk isn't necessairly the same as what I consider the bigger risk. So don't go at me about something I did not say. I stated facts. And the fact is that it simply wasn't tested long-term. Period. Everything else is your own bias.
@PinkMichae
"Problem is if people hadn't gotten vaccinated at the rate they have, the deaths wouldn't have lessened"
Based on what data? This is just heresay and assumption. The decreasing cases and deaths could just as much be due to herd immunity and doctors learning better how to treat corona. Or it actually is the vaccine. We simply do not know. Hence I said it's about risk assessment
@Drooogie4
Has there been a single human mRNA vaccine rolled out prior? No. So they are new. Congraz captain obvious.
I think the Vaccine should be mandatory the same way Smallpox vaccine was mandatory when they came out with that. Both my mother and step-father caught Covid and it nearly killed them. I caught Covid twice, and was sick for two weeks both times. My mother lost her hair because of the stress on the body caused by a bad case of Covid and she was in the hospital and received plasma/antibody injections to survive.
I tire of anti-science Republicans (and Dummycrats too) and wish we had a law against politicians lying to the people while in office. We'd need to re-elect every last position in the government if we had that!!
people like you need to be deported to live in North Korea! My body my choice. You don’t like choices or the abilities to think for yourself? Not a problem! Get the F out of the free words. Then all the power of anything you agreed with the gov will have the power. And no one would the choice to say “no” you’d absolutely love it there!
people like you are the parasite to our planet!
@Rok4bakAR
May God rebuke you evil bastard.
I took a pledge to this nation predicated on the phrase 'Under God" and because this nation has rejected God, then God has rejected this nation.
People who are against science and medicine are also against God, even though they claim to know God, God says He does not know them.
Oh you are half right, you evil worm. I have felt a calling in my heart from God to leave this nation and move to Japan at some point in the near future, and I might even move to North Korea at some point in the future.
The United States has forsaken God, and that makes it of zero value to me.
You don't have a "right" to refuse vaccines. You have a DUTY to protect the life of your fellow man.
Everyone remembers 3 fundamental "rights" in the Declaration of Independence, but you forget they talked about LAW AND DUTY coming from God too. So anyone quoting the DoI or Constitution for "rights" but ignoring DUTY is a complete hypocrite.
You have a God-given DUTY to get vaccinated, whether or not you believe that.
Women have a God-givne DUTY to "be fruitful and multiply" which is why Abortion is evil.
It's not "your Body", son, try reading the Bible, God says "I, THE LORD, OWN THE CATTLE ON A THOUSAND HILLS."
YOU HAVE A GOD-GIVEN DUTY TO PROTECT THE LIFE OF FELLOW MAN, AND WOMEN HAVE A GOD-GIVEN DUTY TO BEAR CHILDREN TO TERM AND LOVE THEM AND RAISE THEM.
I think the risk is far greater than the benefits on all of these vaccines, the US safety data in VAERS is demonstrably being throttled. Either maliciously or because they are just overwhelmed with the data. The disease itself has multiple effective treatments and you got a 99% chance of not getting it severe. So its an over 99% chance of not having any issues with the real one.
However, we still have serious long term concerns that nobody can currently know, with some predictions based on prior lab experiments being very grim. If this goes wrong it can be mass death or mass injury once a wild corona virus comes around again (Currently its mostly just the vaccine symptoms being detected by the tests).
And in past attempts with this type of vaccine the result was always mass death in the test subjects after a while but not initially, would you really want to gamble that they got it right this time if the trials needed to demonstrate that aren't finished yet?
Chances of death by Covid = high. You can survive with lots of health problems.
Chances of death by vaccine = low. You may experience variable levels of discomfort or low level symptoms such as fever and vomits. In very extreme cases you may develop a more complex reaction and need to be hospitalized. From those cases, a very low percentage may end in death.
The vaccine is not perfect, but it is way better than the alternative. In any case, it is safer than many common medicaments that none has any problem with.
I had the Pfizer vaccines in March/April. I had only very mild side affects and I am a senior citizen with multiple medical conditions. If you don't get the vaccine you have a one chance in 550 of dying from COVID 19. If you do get the vaccine you have a one chance in a million of dying from that. The numbers are quite clear. I always go with the better odds. It's like when I got cancer. My neighbor was very upset when I told her I was getting chemo. She started screaming obscenities at me calling me a suicidal idiot since chemo is basically poison. But my odds of surviving without chemo were 0. My odds of surviving with chemo were 10%. That was 15 years ago. I went with the numbers then and I go with them now. By the way, the odds of dying from a lightening strike in my state of Florida are also one in a million.
I have had my furst shot. Everyone in my close family and friends unit has had their first shot and some have had their second. It caused no reaction for anyone except for a sore arm. I had a bit of a headache that came and went for the first day and second day but that might have been partially induced by stressing over other things in general. I know people who took both the AztraZeneca vaccine and the Pfizer one. I was given the Pfizer and so was my sister. We had no adverse reactions and neither did anyone in our families have reactions to AZ.
Since I work in healthcare getting the vaccine was required to keep your job. I have no problems with it. I still keep myself safe and other's safe around me to prevent getting COVID. The virus is terrible and seeing people dying at work due to having it is an awful way of dying. Please everyone be cautious, protect yourself, and other's around you to fight this terrible virus! Get the vaccine to protect yourself!
The vaccine will likely save infinitely more people than it will harm. Furthermore, the vaccine doesn't have any higher a complication rate than many of the accepted medicines that we all take regularly. Millions have been vaccinated, millions haven't died from the vaccine. Millions HAVE died from Covid.
500,000 in Brazil alone.
When consuming any Rx you should always read the health warnings, be informed and advised of any interactions with your current medications. Usually not this easy to just take anything that can be produced and manufactured and regulated this quickly. Either the vaccine with kill u or the COVID will; bullshit people turn against one another over all this in the bigger picture. Pre COVID was nice 😊
I do not support the vaccine for COVID-19.
Just had my second does of the AZ vaccine last Saturday and besides a little tenderness at the jab site I’ve had no side effects, aside from the needle being longer than for a Flu jab there no difference.
It could be that your father's friend was susceptible or allergic to a part of the buffer in the vaccine he was given, unfortunately these things happen.
It would have helped every one if the WHO had not a sat on data for two months, given to them about the out break by Taiwan who had been tracking what was going on in Wuhan, if the WHO had released the data immediately and given the rest of the world a heads-up, the vaccines would not have been rushed and the worst of the lockdowns could have been avoided.
First off, I wish your dad well.
I would look at it this way.
How many deaths have occurred from taking the vaccine?
Now look at how many deaths have occurred by not having it.
Honestly? even though you have had bad experiences with it, The percentages of not taking vs taking it, for me are a no-brainer.
It's experimental and with the more time that goes by, the more we learn that they silenced doctors that came out with excellent remedies that could have saved lives so they could drive up the death count and pass emergency drugs to turn a profit. I'm not saying whether or not the bad works, just that there is a lot of bs surrounding it.
I would advise against having it , and no need for it , with a " super deadly virus " with a 99.7% survival rate , also if there was a REAL pandemic , we would ALL be well aware through REAL life and our circles of influence , no need for a 24/ 7 intensive fear porn bombardment , most on here seem to have swallowed verbatim , and asked for seconds. Think for your F-ing selves !!
Hundreds of millions of people have taken it safely.
Stop your bullshit fear mongering.
You dipshits are the first to claim an actual virus is nothing to worry about despite literal millions dead, but you shit your pants over medicine?
Fuck your ignorance.
And fuck your misplaced trust for the government
@SlightlyEccentric Because Americas government represents the world... You ignorant cretin. There's a whole world outside your borders you fool, and not every government is as untrustworthy as your piece of shit.
We are not and should not be the worlds piggy bank. There are millions of American CITIZENS who can barely make it through a week with a minimal amount of food on the table but yet we can give billions upon billions to foreign governments that probably hate us anyway and even worse giving it to illegal immigrants who don't lift a finger to contribute to society. Please explain how you don't see that as a problem. Our government needs to be representing its own people first instead of countries overseas. We are not a world welfare state.
Will not get it. More people have died from this vaccine than from any other vaccine in the past 30 years. I read the autopsy report of an 86 year old died after vaccine. Scary stuff. The spike protein is a bio toxin ends up in numerous organs. If I get a flu shot, the dead virus just stays at injection site, but not the spike proteins your body makes after you are jabbed.
The cure is worse than the disease. The way the government is pushing this poison on us is more frightful than Covid itself. I prefer to die from the bug than have this totalitarian vaccine be forced on me.
@Reynaldo If that's all you have to add then there's no wonder why everyone can see how retarded you people are
I'll be honest with you, I have health issues and concern on whether or not I should get the Covid Vaccine, there are people getting blood clots from Johnson & Johnson, there are people getting Inflammation around their heart after getting the Pfizer one, some young guy in his 20's was hospitalized cause of it, Now my Cousins friend got two vaccines of the Moderna and never effected him or caused him ill effects so I
guess all people are different
@Everglow5 Glad to help you
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I caught covid last year. It put me in a coma for 3 months, left me so weak that when I got an infection in my right foot I had to have it amputated to survive, and during the coma my heart stopped and it took four hours CPR to revive me.
If you're offered the vaccine, you gotta be a special kind of stupid to refuse it.
Dude. 4 hours to revive you? HahahahaHH daum u must be that special someone your talking about for them not to give up on you got 4 hours? Holy shit dude, u might have the world record... hqahhaahahahhaajah
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I asked my doctor why he didn't call time of death. He told me he was certain if they could get a sinus rhythm going that I'd recover.
And yeah, 4 hours is close to the record, but as far as covid goes the WHO & CDC recommends don't try CPR at all, so I'm grateful to be alive. If you want to laugh at that then you're a bigger fool than Drumpf
Now i hear your story is no laughing matter. My apoligies. But in all honestly, that don't sound like covid. U know you can request a copy of your folder. Look through it. See exactly what they did. Cuz honestly it sounds jankie to me. Not your story, but what the doctors did.
And i myself don't believe in covid. Or these sorry ass, unsafe, vaccinations.
I work in healthcare. I've seen all my results and spoken to the pathologists doing the tests.
I've seen my MRI results and the scans. I've seen the blood tests. Antibodies for covid and the virus in my blood.
I saw the xrays taken showing my broken ribs as a result of the CPR.
I had to fight to recover my weight after losing over 75lbs in a coma. That's muscle loss, not just fat. I couldn't sit up without help. It took me ten days before I could stand - the muscles had recovered after 4 days, but the damage to my lungs meant I couldn't breathe enough to stand. I'd just recovered enough to walk 50 yards - with help - when an infection set into my bone in my foot. I was still too weak to survive antibiotic therapy or to risk waiting it out. I had the amputation under a local anaesthetic and sedation because I was too high risk to survive a general anaesthetic. For the record, that means I was semi conscious while the surgeon cut off my leg.
I can't force you to believe in covid, despite the massive scientific research backing it up. I can't force you to realise that there's zero possibility that 196 world leaders including China, North Korea, the USA and all Europe would or could agree to deceive their populations AND the population of their enemies about both the pandemic and the vaccine. If it were a hoax, don't you think by now those countries would have delighted to humiliate their rivals by exposing the lie?
It has NOT been Approved by the FDA yet. Just Emergency Use Only. So Sorry for your Dad and your Father's Friend. I am Planning on Getting it ONLY if I am Traveling Next Year to the UK. Four Thousand people in Massachusetts had the Vaccine and Now? They Have Covid again WTF? xx
I’m vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine. I had no side effects with the first shot, the second just made me feel tired for a day or two, but they say that if you have a reaction to the second one it’s a good thing because it means that your body is building up an immunity.
Covid is killing a lot more! You wanna go through the shit I have had for the last 5 or 6 months? Sure! Refuse the vaccine. There might come a day when you wish you hadn't.
I forgot to say I had my first Pfizer jab last week. Sore arm for a couple of days. Bit tired over the weekend. Now I am fine.
So have I had covid. For nearly 6 months now. Long covid is evil. It isn't the week long flu like some people think.
It is for most peole
@Nachowedgie Wanna risk it?
Already had it, all I had was a runny nose and a mild cough for 3 days then I was perfectly fine afterwards, have been ever since because I'm a healthy 21 year old that doesn't need a "vaccine"
@Nachowedgie Just await a variant like the SECOND one from India. Delta 2.
You are one of the lucky ones playing Russian Roulette. I wasn't so lucky, but I got through it after 22 weeks.
I received my first shot of Pfizer four weeks ago and I hardly had any issues with it. I was a bit more tired for a few days, but thats about it.
I am getting my second shot on July 2nd and then it will be hopefully over with all those restrictions, tests, etc.
No young person should take the vaccine because it is an experimental drug that has not been adequately tested. Sometimes the vaccine kill people, can make women sterile, and offers no benefit since young people are no more at risk from the virus then they are from the common cold.
@Drooogie4 You must work for a vaccine manufacturer.
@Drooogie4 please can you give us more information, I will take Pfizer soon and I am young so I need to undrrstand things better
According to the health commitee in my country there is absolutely no benefit of having thr vaccine before 30 if one weighs up risk benefit ratio... the other day I heard on the radion the delta plus symptons... cough, possible fever and runny nose... I just had to grin... because it is ridiculous that the world is starting to vaccine perfectly healthy people for something not that lethal to begin with... best is that no one knows what thr vaccine does to the body, how it will afftect immunity in the long term etc etc etc... shouldn't these things be cemented before starting offering people this? I know quite a few people who received the vaccine, one of them my aunt who is currently in hospital with severe internal bleeding... all of those people wish they never took this damn thing! I also know quite a few doctors who refuse to get themselves vaccinated... I wonder why... 🙄 I mean each to their own, whatever makes people happy and feel safe, but in my opinion vaccine is really not the way to go...
With every vaccine their will be side effects & fatal outcome at some point. But diseases also do that. So I took my chance & I got the vaccine to maybe help this pandemic. Since we all are going to die at some point anyways.
I’m not a fan of anti vaxers & don’t agree on their views on it. However, it is their body & choice so I’m understanding of that.
Get it if you can. Sure, some people will die from the vaccine, but more will die from covid-19. I got my second dose yesterday, and I am out of commission today from side effects, but it would be so much worse if I had covid. Covid-19 is so much worse than the vaccine, so it's better to get vaxxed.
Honestly I'm not to sure. As I feel like it has been rushed.(bear in mind I do know the urgency for it) They haven't tested the long term side effects yet. A typical vaccine takes minimum 7 years to test and develop properly. But also here in Aus they have made it so that if something happens as a result of the have you CANNOT sue the pharmaceutical company or the government. So there's a lot of unknowns as to how it affects ones body.
Hey, they tested the vaccine the same amount of time as any other vaccine. What actually takes the most amount of time is the administration, talking to fda going back and forth and getting funding. All of this was put to the front of the line for covid. This article has a flow chart that shows the differences ☺️
vaccine.unchealthcare.org/.../
With any medication there are risks. But the vast majority are being saved by the vaccine. It is the only reason that things are finally opening back up. As much as it sucks to have anyone get sick or die from a vaccine, if one or 100 people die, but a billion are saved, it is worth it.
I got the Pfizer vaccine last week and I don’t feel any different even though the day after I was bedridden with fatigue but it went away. I did get a bit worried because a guy at my job had stroke like symptoms that lingered for a few days and when I was at the clinic getting my vaccine a lady had a seizure right in front of me. It varies from person to person.
Apparently cases like that are extremely rare. But when I was getting mine, I was worried about possible side effects as well and the nurse giving it to me told me that any of these (possible) reactions are true with any vaccine you get, even the one for the flu, and lots of people get that. But did your father's friend have any other health conditions? Maybe it wasn't the vaccine, or not completely?
Ask your doctor as to whether or not you should take it. Your doctor knows your health condition, any potentially complicating factors, etc. Then decide for yourself. I would not trust GAG users for any kind of medical advice whatsoever.
There is no evidence the vaccine is killing people, though in rare cases it can make underlying conditions worse.
However, there is lots of evidence that COVID is killing people.
You're 14, there is no reason for you to get a COVID vaccine.
I agree. Under 18's don't really need it.
More than 318 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through June 21, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,479 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.
You're more likely to get killed by a shark then die from the covid vaccine.
Nobody should take it. Only if they are super old or of they have Auto immune diseases, it should be a consideration to take it before next winter. We may not forget, that this is a highly experimental vaccine no matter how hard politics and media is trying to sell it.
A miracle. I just people were more informed PROPERLY, and yes I mean both sides. If you had covid, you are immune. No the antibody don't just magically go away, no you cannot get it again. Same with vaccines. No it's not a live vaccine and no there are no microchips.
The vaccine actually killed someone in the city next to me. You should only get it if you're an old person or have medical issues. This is because the chance of a healthy young person dying from the vaccine is about the same as dying from the coronavirus, very small. However, if you're weaker then you probably should get it because the coronavirus will be more lethal to you.
My husband and I got our shots as soon as we could and when 16 yr old's were eligible our daughter got hers. We totally believe it is the right thing to do.
If I were half my age. I probably would not have gotten the vaccine.
If I was a female that wanted to still have children, I would not have gotten it.
But, being that I am retired and want to travel while my health still permits me to. I figured that I had to play their game and get vaccinated.
It hasn’t killed me or any serious side effects yet, so I guess that I am good.
Very few people are having serious side effects of the vaccine & it is mainly caused by adding it to medications that do not mix well with the vaccine. Its better to get it than to not.
Well, only 0.0001% of people who got the vaccine had serious negative effects, which is a much lower than the number of people who have negative effects to covid. So, factually, yes, it is a much better idea to get the vaccine than not to, as you're far, far more likely to die or have permanent damage from covid.
I got my vaccine two months ago. Felt sick for about six hours and have been perfectly fine ever since.
- it's still in human testing trials.
-made dy companies that each ha e been sued for billions $ each for faulty vacimes/drugs already.
- those same companies are exempt from future liability of this drug. Means if you have a problem you can't sue them, at all.
So no.
There are more people dying from Covid than dying from the vaccine. People had been wanting this pandemic to end but now that vaccines are out, they're just gonna be narrow minded about it. So I guess they'd rather die due to Covid than die due to the vaccine. Of course people will always address who dies from the vaccine but no one likes to share "My father had a vaccine and it turned out he's immune to covid" because that's not really an interesting topic.
Don't trust it, will never take it. My body, my choice.
Nobody is dying from the vaccine. However lots of people are dying from the disease.
You are simply 🎉✨𝑀𝒾𝓈𝒾𝓃𝒻𝑜𝓇𝓂𝑒𝒹✨ 🎉
It's still in beta. I am happy others are taking it, but long term effects are unknown and short term complications are worse than advertised.
Unless you are in a high risk group, it doesn't seem wise to take it.
The vaccine is not killing people. Just get one it is the same as getting a tetanus shot
I’m a bit sceptical but mines booked for this Sunday… if I die I won’t know about it cos I’ll be dead lol
Any and all vaccines carry a risk. But even larger than that risk is protecting the population as a whole and eradicating a lot of deadly stuff.
I wouldn't recommend it for anyone under 50. We don't know enough about them yet. Long term studies are still in process of being conducted. And given the survival rate for untreated people under 50 from Covid-19; you are better off taking your chances with the virus and seeking medical treatment if you end up getting it.
After they received full FDA approval.
Um, that is illegal. You can't give someone an experimental drug without informed consent. Also if you already have the virus; the vaccine isn't going to help you. The vaccine provides protection against getting the virus not treating it.
Vaccines don't combat viruses. They teach your body to look for the virus so that when you become infected by them your immune system kicks into gear and fights off the virus.
If they didn't know how it works they wouldn't have given it Emergency Use Authorization.
People are still dying; this isn't a vaccine for death. Besides if the goal was to stop people from dying from the virus; then why was Gov. Cuomo and Gov. Whittmer putting Covid positive patients into nursing homes? I mean short of licking toilet seats in public restrooms; is there a worse idea than that?
Because the vaccine is saving people.
I had it with no ill effects.
Since there are a lot of ignorant people here - we call then downvoters - this should help you:
covid-101.org/.../
How many people have died from the vaccine in the U. S?
Emily Smith, ScD MPH
Published: April 9, 2021
Emily Smith, ScD MPH
Updated June 14, 2021
Over 309 million vaccine doses were given in the US as of June 7, 2021. The vaccines have been proven to be safe and effective. Vaccination is happening under the most intensive safety monitoring in U. S. history.
>>> How do we know if someone dies after getting a vaccine?
The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires vaccination providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). When these reports are received, doctors from CDC and FDA review death certificates, autopsies, and medical records to understand what happened with each person.
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>>> How many people have died after getting a vaccine?
Between December 2020 and June 7th, 2021, VAERS received 5,208 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who got a vaccine. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blot clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blot clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented. By way of comparison, getting COVID-19 while unvaccinated poses a grave risk; as of June 14, 2021 more than 599,000 deaths have been attributed to the virus in the US alone.
After careful review of the additional data, doctors have decided that there is no evidence at all that the vaccines contributed to the other patient deaths. Nonetheless, the CDC and FDA will continue to investigate every single report of death (and other adverse events) reported to VAERS.
Originally posted: April 8, 2021, 8:22 pm
Last updated: June 14, 2021, 9:09 pm
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Now, I am going to tell you something that the article alluded to...
Once you get a vaccine shot (there are two), you can sign-up immediately for the Federal Government's VAERS system. Basically, you give them your phone number and basic info related to your shot, I believe. Then, for the first week after your first shot starting on the day of the shot itself, each evening, you will get a text message for a link to take a simple poll as to how you are feeling. So, you do that each day for the first week. They do the same thing after your second shot. Then, for about a month, every week after your shot, they ask you how you are feeling.
>>> In short, people who have the vaccine are reporting how they are feeling for a month or two, so, if anything starts to happen, the medical authorities know about it right away. THIS IS HOW THE MEDICAL AUTHORITIES IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT KNOW IF ANYTHING IS WRONG.
This is how it was discovered that there was a blood clotting problem with the early Johnson & Johnson vaccine. So, that vaccine was stopped until it was understood what was happening. It was fixed and the improved vaccine is being used.
OK, so, lets look at the numbers in the article...
Over 300,000,000 vaccination shots have occurred.
Only 3 people died from that blood clotting aftereffect.
That's 1 in 100,000,000 people.
So, if all 8 billion people on Earth got vaccinated, that would be 16,000,000,000 vaccinations.
If all those vaccinations were with the earlier J&J vaccine, that would mean a total of 160 people on Earth would have died from that 1 type of vaccine (there are several vaccines now).
Think about that... If everyone used the bad vaccine, only 160 people would have died.
How many people die in car accidents every day just in the USA?
Well, according to the Federal Highway Administration, the total number of people killed in motor vehicle accidents in just the first 4 months of 2021 is estimated to be 13,320.
So, think about that...
According to Statista, there are 229 million drivers in the US.
www.statista.com/.../
OK, let's summarize:
USA COVID vaccine death rate: 3 / 300,000,000 = 1 / 100,000,000 = 0.00000001
USA motor vehicle accident death rate: 13,320 / 229,000,000 = 0.00006
So, to compare them...
0.00006 / 0.00000001 = 6000
So...
IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, YOU ARE 6000 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE IN A MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENT THAN YOU ARE FROM A BAD JOHNSON AND JOHNSON VACCINE.
No other vaccines have had deaths associated with them and that one vaccine is no longer used.
So, in short, you'll be fine. Get the vaccine. Protect yourself and protect others. It's 6000 times safer than being in a car.
Anyone dumb enough to get the covid vaccine (genetically modified snake oil) will have to reap the consequences if they die or end up with some incurable autoimmune disease, or end up sterile. It might be a good thing that millions of people won't be able to reproduce after having the vaccine. People who are that dumb shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
It's a low risk. But you are more likely going to be killed by a vending machine than the vaccine killing you.
On the other hand, you have 30% chance to be crippled permanently if you get Covid, symptoms or no.
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