What are your thoughts on the covid vaccine?

[Everglow5]

I'm not sure how I feel about it.. my father's friend was hospitalized and comatose for a month. My father was sure that he'd die, but he lived, though is still in the hospital. And though I can't maintain a good relationship with my parents, I feel bad for my father with how much stress that caused him

If this vaccine is killing people, is it really a good idea to take this vaccine?

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Thanks to those of you who stated your opinion without rudely trying to start arguments or insult other people, I appreciate it :)

I asked for your thoughts, not world war three

[NamerOfStars]

We do not live in a world where reverse transcriptase and horizontal gene transfer are unknown; they taught everyone reading this about them in high school biology class (most of you probably don't remember, and some of you may be old enough that they actually WERE unknown, or just theories, but the idea was out there, in common circulation). Viruses absorbing RNA information and mutating with it is where quite a bit of viral mutation comes from. And now, the very spike protein that made Covid such a contagious disease, is being potentially shared with the scores of trillions of viruses circulating throughout the bodies of over a billion people- and the call is for MORE. For EVERYONE to do this.

The H5N strain of bird flu has an IFR of over 60%. That's almost double the lethality of smallpox. SMALLPOX. A disease so dangerous that a massive human effort was undertaken, and now it's extinct in the wild- the only disease we've ever done that with (rinderpest is gone completely, but that was a cattle disease). The only reason bird flu isn't a threat to human society is because it's almost impossible for it to spread from human to human- it basically has to go through birds. But let one of it- just ONE- absorb that RNA, and you could have the beginnings of a civilization-destroying plague. What kind of disease could justify risking that? A slow-killing Ebola that shows no symptoms until it's too late? Some kind of super-AIDS? Surely something that threatens to kill us all, because that's the only way that that kind of risk- that kind of KNOWN risk, since there's no shortage of unknown elements- could possibly be accepted. It must be some unstoppable killer plague, right?

No. Covid. A disease less dangerous than chicken pox. And yet it convinced nearly every health organization to panic so completely that it redefined the very way deaths were counted- if you had TB and died of a heart attack, you were not counted as a TB death, even though it may have contributed. But if you tested positive for Covid, and then died of, say, a gunshot wound, or a car accident, you were recorded as a Covid death (here in the US, anyway). For this, we threw the doors open to a new FORM of technology on a massed scale, bypassing ALL but the most rudimentary safety tests and skipping animal testing completely. We have set the precedent that safety rules don't matter if you're scared enough.

It may turn out that the thousands of deaths attributed to the "vaccines" (a status they were only granted for legal reasons; in technical terms, they aren't) from VAERS alone may be due to other causes (I'll not be party to separate sets of rules for entities just because I agree with them); the hundreds of thousands of injuries may likewise be unrelated, or only tangentially so. But that's really only secondary; the risks being taken in other viruses mutating (you're a danger to every living thing vulnerable to viral infection until that mRNA degrades) and the precedent being set are probably going to mark this as the biggest medical mistake in human history.

[Crazybeeguy]

I really thinl that they needed a recession amd then scared too many uneducated people to have one, it went too far and now they have a "cure" to put the recession back into growth again. I am waiting for the double dip in stocks to make money every recession. If what you are saying is correct the vaccine is a placebo. Well Madernas bersion anyways. Yeah, if a virus reverses the RNA protein into its own DNA where would the spike protein be made in a virus, it would have to litterally replace it's method of infection. Oh wait SARS was before Covid, the spike would be there but the cellular placement of the proteins would be wrong, DNA is like a program more like the registry of MS Windows. I could have the code in the registry, but if you run the code in the program Windows desktop would not be affected and it will do not it's intentions.

[Rok4bakAR]

Dude don’t ask these type of questions. 99% of the people are too stupid to think for themselves. They’ll follow each other and fall into the cliff.


What is health?
In 21st century.
eating based on pleasure and not healing.


We are living beings we eat dead flesh and sugar and everything mixed together with unclean water,


drink all types of liquids that are garbage mixed with sugar and other crap we can’t even Pronounce.


And then we don’t move or even exercis3.


and we Frequently get a headaches. stomach aches problems/ back problem head problems and we get a headache stomach aches and etc..
That’s our body giving us a sign that it’s breaking down.
We ignore all that avoid the sun, even though sun is life!
put chemicals in our hair and skin in our bodies in her ears in our mouth and etc...


And our body becomes fat and sick.
And then we believe injecting ourselves with poison.
Which most people don’t even know whats in those needles.
And we call those health!


Before 2030 social media companies won’t be able to hide the deaths anymore.
But it’ll be too late by then.

[cjmtherfcker]

The human population is already declining worldwide. The whole inflationary monetary system we have been operating under has to end, because of this. "great reset" Check out some of Peter zeihans talks on youtube. Good info from another angle. May change your mind

[Rok4bakAR]

The GMO foods and stupidity and their pleasure driven minds are defining them pS YouTube won’t allow you to see the side effect the jabs. This app lets speak your abs they’re not big enough for them to be bought off by the evil 1%!

[zagor]

@cjmtherfcker The human population is not declining. In some countries, yes, but the global population continues to grow.

[DreamChaser02]

I'm sorry this happened to your father, he was very unlucky.
However, I believe that the benefits of getting the COVID-19 vaccine outweigh its risks; there is no increased mortality rate among vaccinated people relative to unvaccinated people.
If you take 10 million people and just wave your hand back and forth over their upper arms, in the next two months you would expect to see about 4,000 heart attacks. About 4,000 strokes. Over 9,000 new diagnoses of cancer. And about 14,000 of that ten million will die, out of usual all-causes mortality. No one would notice. That’s how many people die and get sick anyway.

But if you took those ten million people and gave them a new vaccine instead, there’s a real danger that those heart attacks, cancer diagnoses, and deaths will be attributed to the vaccine. I mean, if you reach a large enough population, you are literally going to have cases where someone gets the vaccine and drops dead the next day (just as they would have if they *didn’t* get the vaccine). It could prove difficult to convince that person’s friends and relatives of that lack of connection, though. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is one of the most powerful fallacies of human logic, and we’re not going to get rid of it any time soon

[canucker90]

Then why do people seem to dismiss what economist's say that the next Great Depression will be worse then the one from 1929? and housing crash will be worse than the one from 2008? Why do people reject God's word's when prophecies have come to fruition? I am not dissing health officials, but it makes me scratch my head when people laugh and call economists stupid about our economy. Their job is to look at data, statistics and numbers. But the reason why people call economists stupid is because people want to avoid the truth about how shitty the economy is and how shitty the economy was before covid even hit years and months prior... But rarely anyone talks about that and that shows me people are glued to the television set of mainstream media and going beyond the confines of this virus and that requires human logic as well that people will disregard and call me a fucking idiot... I know that. People don't want to hear an economic collapse because that's negative news, when people here "good" news that this vaccine will eradicate a virus people will run to the gates. The true sign of someone is mentally tough is someone that can take news on the good side but also the bad. Mark my words, another Great Depression will happen and WW3 will happen, those events will make Covid seem like a walk in the park yet people lost their damn minds (on both sides) and argued and fought each other.

[Apple1996]

Personally not gonna get the vaccine. If others want it than that's a choice they can make. It seems like a lot of people feel the need to bully others into getting this when it's a serious medical decision that should be thought about and discussed with a doctor. Not just randomly getting it cause that's what the news it telling people to do.

[CasaNorba]

amen sister! if the vaccine really was effective and useful then people like us who refuse to get vaccinated should not be a problem or a threat to anyone.

and please do not let them get to your head with the new "delta variant" bullshit. this is just more excuses to scare everyone into getting that vaccine

[canucker90]

I agree with you 100% for any one who is pro-vaccine arguing and belittling others is quite stupid. I do think if it's flu season and someone is on the bus then wear a mask to avoid catching germs or wash your hands properly when you get home. But no one should be FORCED to take to the vaccine. For people to think that just because a scientist or health official state the vaccine works it was something created on the fly because of the pandemic. However, what are the long term health affects? I think it's a money grab from the pharma industry. When I was doing physiotherapy exercises, my physiotherapist mentioned that even insulin for diabetics is also a money grab, that if diabetics reduced their weight significantly they would not need insulin as much or if at all. Just because a doctor says to do it does not make it credible 100%. I know doctors who are racist, condescending, stubborn, conceited, and sexist who only say "oh if you're dealing with depression take these pills for the rest of your life", that's the logical solution a psychiatrist has for a patient? Go take more pills? Well if thats the case everyone here on GAG can be doctors then. I respect what economists have to say about our economy, I do respect our doctors in the health care system, I do respect good professors and teachers who help students expand their minds and etc. But the coin has two sides and not everyone is honest, not everyone is fit to do their job, the list goes on. So yeah, you have the right to say no to the vaccine, it does not make you "selfish" as pro-vaccine supporters will say. I personally think the vaccine was created and it will probably be here for a while. I think it was to create a rift amongst the public and I don't think governments on the left or right care at all. I think governments want society to kill each other and depopulate, that's just my opinion, people don't have to agree with me on that.

[DaisyAimi]

Totally agree

[Luvme66]

I don't want to come of as someone who is bullying you to get the vaccine. I want to know, why not?

[Anonymous]

I believe the virus is real but I think it’s man made and other countries like the US know this in my opinion. Americas government and agencies lied about 9/11 and went after Saudi men for bringing down the world trade centres in New York. But look at the US today, continuing to do business with Saudi Arabia for oil purposes and money. This virus was used as biological warfare to cause a huge rift between countries. What did the US do? Blamed China automatically where Trump deemed it the “China Virus”. Economists were warning of a recession summer 2019 that major job losses and a financial collapse was looming. But people live this make belief world that the economy is perfect and we fight each other over stupid ideologies like capitalism or communism. I’ve already wrote enough even if I provided factual historical evidence people will still hate on me. But as a former political science student and doing my masters in public policy I have examined the economy and what has occurred recently. What we are going through today is eerily similar of what happened between 1919-1945. Spanish Flu (1919-1921), roaring 20s, Great Depression of 1929 and World War II. Today, Covid (2019-present), governments will say the economy will “bounce”back and be strong. Meanwhile economists are saying shit is going to hit the fan and the next big collapse is coming. President Joe Biden said he’s in favour of a Great Reset, prettier way of saying another Great Depression. All the US has to do is continue printing money like it always has and giving stimulus cheques for people to keep their yapper shut. But with higher inflation this is a recipe for disaster mark my words. People have a right to their opinion, if you’re pro vaccine, fine, if you’re not, okay fine, everyone can have an opinion. But why is it that people take the health industry of what they say as GOLD but when economists warn of an economic collapse people dismiss it and call it lies? Two professionals that completely opposite. My doctor has told me for years, ohhh if you’re feeling pain take Advil or Tylenol…I don’t take it, I’m not going to be hooked to pain killers. If people want to take the Covid vaccine shot for the rest of their life then that’s their life. I personally wouldn’t, I’m going to get my 2nd dose and that’s it. I’m not going to take a billion Covid shots when I don’t know what the hell this will have on my overall health in the future. People should go watch The Purge movie from 2017 I believe and listen to beginning of how eerily similar it is to our time today. Hollywood knows what’s going on to, they cater to the government. This world is fucked, I’m not dying for a political party, I’m not dying over an ideology based on greed. I will live a modest lifestyle, help others, be cautious, be safe, educate myself with more books (not just main stream media) and pleas God. If someone wants to shit on my comment because I voiced my opinion about something and I am not taking sides then so be it. But when this world goes through hell in the next few years and people called me a moron, I’m just letting others know, I told ya so.

[yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo]

Im not sure why everybody is afraid of contracting it, but will put it in their body voluntarily.

A vaccine is when you microdotte yourself with an illness so your body becomes immune.

I could do that by just being in public with somebody who has it.

I could go as far as slicing open my arm and having somebody infected, sneeze on it, so my white blood cells are directly exposed to it. (That's how the Native Americans learned to battle small pox, by the way!!)

We didn't react that crazy about H1N1, about the Ebola outbreak, or about the Swine flu. And when it comes to STDs, it's not Legal in select states, to have sex with somebody who ISN'T infected, WITHOUT THEM BEING TO KNOWLEDGE!!

If ANYTHING, people with THOSE diseases, that literally do shut down your immune systems and cause MORE premature death than COVID-19, should be quarantined BEFORE somebody with a sneeze, even if it is their allergies, should ever be looked at crazy!

I believe the Media, blows things out of proportion, and the government likes to use issues like this, for political fuel!!

Thoughts?

[Luvme66]

Bruh.. You are very privileged in your country as you haven't see the horrors of covid in your country. I come from a developing country and one of the fastest growing economy. And trust me it's way more horrific than you read on the news, people beg to get admitted, I personally have went out looking for oxygen cylinders and used to go every 6 hours to find more. So sure the media does blow everything out of proportion but I have seen how people who were cocky about not being affected by covid at all, fight to their dying breath and realize that they were wrong.

[Luvme66]

And no if you think I come from a broke ass family... No we are very well off and money couldn't save the person who we tried so hard to save.

[yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo]

I can see your point of view, but I'm just going off statistics when I say this...

33.6M (33,600,000) people in the United States have caught this disease. Only 604,000 people have died from this disease.

That's only 1.8% of infected people. (rounded up)

That's 18 people every 1000 people...

Seeing this diseases actual success rate in a manner of statistics, white it only having a 01.8% success rate, it's because the main problem is peoples immune systems can't combat being sick, especially with a relatively new disease.

It's unfortunate that we did lose the people that we did, I never said we haven't lost ANYBODY.

I'm merely saying that this virus truthfully isn't as scary as people say it is.

No amount of currency or compensation could repay the value of a loved ones life. None.

However, we've lost more people in the US due to random homicides and drugs overdoses than COVID-19! And Oklahoma recently legalized ALL drug use!

I'm not sure what country you're from, or what problems you may face in your society, and I am sorry for the loss of your loved ones. They were just incapable of fighting it. That happens with things like these.

But you have to understand that we may have more statistics for this, as there are not many countries larger than the United States.

Also, not many people actually stuck out the Quarantine!

We should still fight for your country to receive medical treatment and help in trying to resolve this pathogen problem, before others have to deal with it.

But with something new like this there are going to be casualties.

[Chriscunning]

@Luvme66 Definitely has a point. Most vaccinated countries don't really worry anymore, it's a matter of choice for vaccines. In South Africa we are hearing of people (in their 20's and 30's) getting killed by the virus. It's really no longer a "old persons sickness". You arrive at hospital (we privileged with private medical care) and they turn you away saying there are no beds. You can literally be dying and they cannot help you.

The death rate then becomes 5 in 100, or 1 person in 25 dies. Besides that, the excess deaths are really piling on.

I don't recall knowing anyone who died from H1N1 or swine flu. But i can count a lot of covid deaths.

Taking a vaccine which gives you a fighting chance so you don't have to deal with potentially long term damage from a virus sounds like a no brainer to me.

[tuvwxyz]

All I'll say is their obsession with everyone to immediately take an experimental vaccine, authorized for emergency use, notwithsatnding politics, is reckless, and shows little regard for concern of well-being in itself, as there is NO substitute for patience in quality, no amount of money, data, or power can guarantee future unknown problems won't surface, and the borderline, often even crossing, authoritarian arrogance with which they demand people take this vaccine, even resortng to threats, intimidation, incentives (I'm sure because like corporate CEOs they're 100% empathetically, selflessly obsessed to serve another's well-being) with which they are BULLYING those in lower positions of wealth or power than them, often with little regard to hear any voice that doesn't echo their own (not even agree, just make an effort to listen to their idea, with an open mind, they don't know everything, is disgusting.

I will take an emergency use vaccine if I believe a unique circumstance warrants its emergency use, at my own discretion, as others are free to get vaccinated as they see fit.

[RingOfFire]

All vaccines cause a certain percentage of side effects, from mild, to serious to fatal.

The idea behind a good vaccine is that it is less dangerous to take it than not to take it and potentially contract the disease it is designed to protect you against.

You are right to be skeptical. A massive amount of government misinformation and conflicting "science" has been reported by government agencies and politics seems to have replaced science.

The question isn't whether the vaccine is 100% safe. It isn't. No vaccine is. The question is whether you are better off taking it than not taking it.

For most adults who don't have certain contraindicating conditions I believe the answer is yes, they are better off taking it. Sadly, some relatively small percentage will have serious side effect and some will even die.

For younger people, at least people 18 and under, I think there is evidence that the answer may be that it is better not to take it at this time as there is some evidence it is riskier to take it than not. That may or may not change as they study it more.

[Bricealan]

Thank you for the 'fear leveling comments"

[Slartybartfast]

It's just nice to have the morge back to a mostly normal number of bodies.

So many ignorant people bought the lies that covid was "like the flu" when there are bodies pilled to the ceiling and we have to have refrigerated trailers to hold them , it's not, despite what a compulsive liar said, a democratic hoax!!!

So many people have died because an idiot, with zero human compassion downplaying the facts and promoting quack snake oil for his own benefit.
How many more will die because the flat earthers, big foot believers , and alien abduction survivers aka anti vaxers?

[PinkMichae]

I was nervous about it too because like any vaccine there are risk. But can you image how many more people would have died from covid-19 if people didn't get vaccinated to create herd immunity?

I just got my first shot on Monday. Was fine the first day but today my arm hurts, body aches and feel very weak. I just slept through it. I would make sure you have a couple of free days before you get it. If you get it. But I honestly believe the vaccine is safer than taking your chances with covid-19.

Good luck.☘🍀

[Levin]

Most people usually give that shill bollocks as a result of covid itself. It's surprising to hear the tides being turned, although of course I knew it all along.

Something very sinister is afoot. I won't be taking the vaccine. And I feel very sorry for you young people because you're often not in a position to have done your independent research, nor sufficiently strong enough as an individual to resist societal pressure.

I'm sorry, but the adults have wholesale abused you throughout this 'pandemic', and they have always abused you in general.

[Bricealan]

I have to agree with you, and have many friends and acquaintances who feel the same. None of us, want to die of Covid-19. My family is vaccinated, but I have resisted the same as yourself. The idea of this wholesale-across-the-board vaccination of the entire planet, is a frightening prospect, and after saying that, I do not fear a 'conspiracy' as do my friends, it just seems to be such a tremendous 'over-kill".
I planned to travel to Europe in September to Dubai, Cairo, Istanbul, and the Greek Islands. The requirement is 'vaccination proof" and even more, covid testing between countries, for 72 hours, even after vaccination. That is the insanity of the vaccination requirement?

[Levin]

@Bricealan I can't get my head around what's going on. To me, it all looks very evil. Once you start to connect the dots. I'm surprised other people can't see it.

It's clear that those who won't submit to the new normal, the criminal insanity of it, are potentially never going to travel again. And it won't be long before they're excluded from society in general in the UK at least. With the introduction of apartheid type digital id systems. How long will be before I lose my job potentially for not complying?

[0112358]

People are out there saying we don't know the long term consequences when side effects on pretty much every vaccine have shown up within weeks.

meanwhile covid we know gets into the nervous system, testes etc and you're not worried about long term impacts of that we don't know about, Covid may flare up again in the future like chicken pox virus does (with shingles) etc. We have no idea long term impacts of having it, but they're much more likely than long term impact of having mRNA tell your body to produce a piece of the virus, once, and not being infected.

[DrHonesty]

None of the vaccines claim to prevent you from being infected or transmitting the virus

[0112358]

@DrHonesty they significantly reduce odds of infection and transmission on top of reducing severity.

[FakeName123]

Ignore all the conspiracies for now - from both sides.

Here are the facts:
1. Vaccines usually take 5-10 years until they get seen as safe enough to be brought to the public. With new vaccines its closer to 10 while the 5 years usually only happen with yearly vaccines such as the flu one.
2. mRNA vaccines are new. This is the first ever vaccine like this.
3. Many governments clearly stated it in their documents that this vaccine is only temporary allowed as there is no final conclusion to the long-term effects - since it simply is impossible to know.

Everything beyond that is risk assessment. Do you think the risk of the virus is higher or that of the vaccine. But to say this vaccine is absolutely safe just tells you people have not taken the time to educate themselves on it.

[loveslongnails]

Dude. It's a pandemic. You have 5 years to evaluate a vaccine? Good luck. Tell me your burial preferences and I'll put your talking points on your tombstone.

[PinkMichae]

Problem is if people hadn't gotten vaccinated at the rate they have, the deaths wouldn't have lessened. Not to mention corona virus is not new to us. They've been studying it since 2003 I believe it is. This is just a new strain of corona virus. But it's not like they just started studying it from scratch to make these vaccines.

At this point if you are healthy the risk of the vaccine may be more risky not knowing the long term effects. It's hard to say. That's why it's such a hard decision to make. But I'm thankful for those who have helping to lessen the deaths and allowing our country to open up again.

I chose to get it only because I do have health problems and may not be able to fight off covid-19 if I got it.

[Levin]

@PinkMichae something we should be aware of is that the goal posts for what constitutes a positive corona virus test result have been tightened throughout this pandemic, cynically or not to coincide with the vaccine rollout. Plus we saw the same steep declines after winter respiratory virus season last year and there wasn't a vaccine. Finally even the mainstream news are reporting that flu and pneumonia are killing 10 times as many people as corona virus at the moment.

[Levin]

And yet, I dont see anyone particularly concerned with the flu and pneumonia.

[Drooogie4]

MRNA vaccines are not new. They've been in studies for close to 20 years as this point

[FakeName123]

@loveslongnails
Reading comprehension. I didn't say they needed or didn't need to be evaluated for 5 years. I said it is risk assessment. What you consider the bigger risk isn't necessairly the same as what I consider the bigger risk. So don't go at me about something I did not say. I stated facts. And the fact is that it simply wasn't tested long-term. Period. Everything else is your own bias.

@PinkMichae
"Problem is if people hadn't gotten vaccinated at the rate they have, the deaths wouldn't have lessened"
Based on what data? This is just heresay and assumption. The decreasing cases and deaths could just as much be due to herd immunity and doctors learning better how to treat corona. Or it actually is the vaccine. We simply do not know. Hence I said it's about risk assessment

@Drooogie4
Has there been a single human mRNA vaccine rolled out prior? No. So they are new. Congraz captain obvious.

[Wade8888]

I think the Vaccine should be mandatory the same way Smallpox vaccine was mandatory when they came out with that. Both my mother and step-father caught Covid and it nearly killed them. I caught Covid twice, and was sick for two weeks both times. My mother lost her hair because of the stress on the body caused by a bad case of Covid and she was in the hospital and received plasma/antibody injections to survive.

I tire of anti-science Republicans (and Dummycrats too) and wish we had a law against politicians lying to the people while in office. We'd need to re-elect every last position in the government if we had that!!

[Rok4bakAR]

people like you need to be deported to live in North Korea! My body my choice. You don’t like choices or the abilities to think for yourself? Not a problem! Get the F out of the free words. Then all the power of anything you agreed with the gov will have the power. And no one would the choice to say “no” you’d absolutely love it there!

people like you are the parasite to our planet!

[Wade8888]

@Rok4bakAR

May God rebuke you evil bastard.

I took a pledge to this nation predicated on the phrase 'Under God" and because this nation has rejected God, then God has rejected this nation.

People who are against science and medicine are also against God, even though they claim to know God, God says He does not know them.

Oh you are half right, you evil worm. I have felt a calling in my heart from God to leave this nation and move to Japan at some point in the near future, and I might even move to North Korea at some point in the future.

The United States has forsaken God, and that makes it of zero value to me.

[Wade8888]

You don't have a "right" to refuse vaccines. You have a DUTY to protect the life of your fellow man.

Everyone remembers 3 fundamental "rights" in the Declaration of Independence, but you forget they talked about LAW AND DUTY coming from God too. So anyone quoting the DoI or Constitution for "rights" but ignoring DUTY is a complete hypocrite.

You have a God-given DUTY to get vaccinated, whether or not you believe that.

Women have a God-givne DUTY to "be fruitful and multiply" which is why Abortion is evil.

It's not "your Body", son, try reading the Bible, God says "I, THE LORD, OWN THE CATTLE ON A THOUSAND HILLS."

YOU HAVE A GOD-GIVEN DUTY TO PROTECT THE LIFE OF FELLOW MAN, AND WOMEN HAVE A GOD-GIVEN DUTY TO BEAR CHILDREN TO TERM AND LOVE THEM AND RAISE THEM.

[sawno]

I think the risk is far greater than the benefits on all of these vaccines, the US safety data in VAERS is demonstrably being throttled. Either maliciously or because they are just overwhelmed with the data. The disease itself has multiple effective treatments and you got a 99% chance of not getting it severe. So its an over 99% chance of not having any issues with the real one.

However, we still have serious long term concerns that nobody can currently know, with some predictions based on prior lab experiments being very grim. If this goes wrong it can be mass death or mass injury once a wild corona virus comes around again (Currently its mostly just the vaccine symptoms being detected by the tests).

And in past attempts with this type of vaccine the result was always mass death in the test subjects after a while but not initially, would you really want to gamble that they got it right this time if the trials needed to demonstrate that aren't finished yet?

[Hawner]

Chances of death by Covid = high. You can survive with lots of health problems.
Chances of death by vaccine = low. You may experience variable levels of discomfort or low level symptoms such as fever and vomits. In very extreme cases you may develop a more complex reaction and need to be hospitalized. From those cases, a very low percentage may end in death.
The vaccine is not perfect, but it is way better than the alternative. In any case, it is safer than many common medicaments that none has any problem with.

[Leavesbound]

I had the Pfizer vaccines in March/April. I had only very mild side affects and I am a senior citizen with multiple medical conditions. If you don't get the vaccine you have a one chance in 550 of dying from COVID 19. If you do get the vaccine you have a one chance in a million of dying from that. The numbers are quite clear. I always go with the better odds. It's like when I got cancer. My neighbor was very upset when I told her I was getting chemo. She started screaming obscenities at me calling me a suicidal idiot since chemo is basically poison. But my odds of surviving without chemo were 0. My odds of surviving with chemo were 10%. That was 15 years ago. I went with the numbers then and I go with them now. By the way, the odds of dying from a lightening strike in my state of Florida are also one in a million.

[Bricealan]

Glad you are a cancer survivor !

[Sarahr123]

I have had my furst shot. Everyone in my close family and friends unit has had their first shot and some have had their second. It caused no reaction for anyone except for a sore arm. I had a bit of a headache that came and went for the first day and second day but that might have been partially induced by stressing over other things in general. I know people who took both the AztraZeneca vaccine and the Pfizer one. I was given the Pfizer and so was my sister. We had no adverse reactions and neither did anyone in our families have reactions to AZ.

[hannahjo022]

Since I work in healthcare getting the vaccine was required to keep your job. I have no problems with it. I still keep myself safe and other's safe around me to prevent getting COVID. The virus is terrible and seeing people dying at work due to having it is an awful way of dying. Please everyone be cautious, protect yourself, and other's around you to fight this terrible virus! Get the vaccine to protect yourself!

[Rok4bakAR]

Jab and death? Or live? You’ve chosen death. Now your spike proteins will leak out through your saliva/ liquid and body transformation to other people. You’ve failed in medical school.

[InfobotLives]

The vaccine will likely save infinitely more people than it will harm. Furthermore, the vaccine doesn't have any higher a complication rate than many of the accepted medicines that we all take regularly. Millions have been vaccinated, millions haven't died from the vaccine. Millions HAVE died from Covid.

[Jessica405]

500,000 in Brazil alone.

[AnggieGirl]

When consuming any Rx you should always read the health warnings, be informed and advised of any interactions with your current medications. Usually not this easy to just take anything that can be produced and manufactured and regulated this quickly. Either the vaccine with kill u or the COVID will; bullshit people turn against one another over all this in the bigger picture. Pre COVID was nice 😊
I do not support the vaccine for COVID-19.

[bolverk]

Just had my second does of the AZ vaccine last Saturday and besides a little tenderness at the jab site I’ve had no side effects, aside from the needle being longer than for a Flu jab there no difference.

It could be that your father's friend was susceptible or allergic to a part of the buffer in the vaccine he was given, unfortunately these things happen.

It would have helped every one if the WHO had not a sat on data for two months, given to them about the out break by Taiwan who had been tracking what was going on in Wuhan, if the WHO had released the data immediately and given the rest of the world a heads-up, the vaccines would not have been rushed and the worst of the lockdowns could have been avoided.

[TommyMountainFigure]

First off, I wish your dad well.

I would look at it this way.

How many deaths have occurred from taking the vaccine?

Now look at how many deaths have occurred by not having it.

Honestly? even though you have had bad experiences with it, The percentages of not taking vs taking it, for me are a no-brainer.

[TheDeathless]

It's experimental and with the more time that goes by, the more we learn that they silenced doctors that came out with excellent remedies that could have saved lives so they could drive up the death count and pass emergency drugs to turn a profit. I'm not saying whether or not the bad works, just that there is a lot of bs surrounding it.