I think it's normal why everyone is skeptical since the only evidence we have yet of long term side effects would be from health professionals since they got the vaccine first. I mean, it is a vaccine and this is literally what pretty much most of the science world has worked on finding and in the past most of us got vaccines as children such as the chicken pox vaccine back when the pox was an infectious disease and there were not any long term side effects from the vaccine specifically. Pretty much the way I see it is if you know you are not allergic to anything they put in the vaccine why not get it? I'm planning on getting my first shot tomorrow and obviously side effects will be different for each person but these vaccines have been proven time and time again scientifically to protect people from viruses or at least significantly reduce your chances of getting the specific virus which is why scientists dedicate their entire life to the vaccine since they know vaccines help prevent or reduce deadly diseases and help increase the general health and lifespan of humans significantly ever since the 21st century.
My opinion on the vaccine is that it might not be safe to take it. Because of it being a novel vaccine, we truly don't know how safe it really is or the potential long-term effects it might have. This means that people that take it are essentially lab rats. Even though most every source says the vaccines are safe, such is still debatable. For example, the legendary baseball player Hank Aaron attempted to get Black people to take the vaccine to show it was safe, but two weeks after taking it, he dropped dead. Most news sources tried to say he died of "natural causes," but natural causes don't mean a person just dies naturally for no reason. They never mention his cause of death. I don't trust them. In addition, on a more personal level, I have a great aunt that recently took the vaccine. I tried to convince her not to, but she insisted on it, saying she was old and that old people are the most vulnerable to coronavirus.
Despite her being in her 60s, she has mostly been upbeat and pretty healthy. However, not too long after taking the vaccine, she was hospitalized. The doctors tried to assure us that the vaccine didn't cause her health problems, but they couldn't explain what exactly caused it. This leads me to believe that this vaccine isn't safe for everybody as people make it out to be and that the medical industry tries to cover up negative experiences with it by rationalizing it as "it's easier to get health problems at this age" or "he died of natural causes," all without explaining those health problems or natural causes. People don't know the true effects of what this vaccine could do to people, especially within certain groups, and I don't want to be the lab rat to help them find out. For these reasons alone, I won't ever be taking the vaccine. Sure, I have no problem wearing my mask and social distancing, but I'm not having this unknown substance be injected in my system.
I am really skeptical at how people can just jump on board to something that hasn't been in trials for long. I've worked in clinical trial labs and a lot of tests, especially critical ones take at least 3 years. I can understand older people and immune compromised taking it because it affects them more but I honestly hope I'm wrong and it isn't that bad.
I might get some backlash for it but I will speak my opinion, the vaccine is just as fake as the virus itself.
Now I'm not saying covid doesn't "exist" it definitely does but it's not the giant death sentence that ended up locking the entire world they made it out to be. Ebola was a deadly virus, get that you'll bleed out of your eyes and die yet during that outbreak the world kept going as if it wasn't happening, now we can argue for hours about how contagious it and the details but fact of the matter is the world could have kept going normally with covid the death rates did not rise worldwide during 2020 proving that those who dided of covid where just as likely to die from a thousand other thing during that year as is the case all the time, people die people are born life continues.
What happened was we all saw how the authorities in Wuhan were keeping people indoors with automatic weapons and thought that this was some zombie apocalypse failing to understand that the Chinese government not something to be taken as a standard when it comes to inforcing low, these people have a death penalty if you sell weed on a corner they are extreme in that regard.
So the vaccine came as just a thing to convince the masses that covid is over to justify closing down all that they closed down. Instead of coming out saying "sorry guys we thought it was dangerous it wasn't 😅" because that would vause an uproar worldwide they came up with these vaccines that could contain water for all we know and after spreading them they will say "ok you are now immuned go back to normal, it's not 100% so maybe we get a few cases later but the mass public is safe"
So as far as taking one I won't if I can help it but if it becomes mandatory I'll do it it's no big deal just as long as I can get a normal life back while in my 20's
I think you're missing the point with infectiousness.
Ebola is terrible and if it were passed on through the air, billions would die and the rest of us would be living like in a horror movie. But it's not passed on that way, you need close contact with the infected, and outbreaks affect hundreds, not millions. (The worst outbreak so far affected 28,000 people over three countries and two years.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ebola_outbreaks The very fact that it kills one in three people it infects means that it dies out quickly, at least in places where you have serious medical facilities.
Coronavirus spreads because it gets passed on by people who don't even know they've got it. With just 10% of Americans infected with the coronavirus, half a million have died, and the numbers are still increasing. With the vaccine, millions of lives will be saved.
"... fact of the matter is the world could have kept going normally with covid the death rates did not rise worldwide during 2020..." That's not true. The US had well over 300,000 more deaths in 2020 than in any of the previous five years, a number that matches the number of deaths from covid-19 very closely. The final numbers won't be in until the end of this year.
There has been a similar pattern in Europe: "In total, around 297 500 more deaths occurred in the EU between March and October 2020 compared with the same period in 2016 – 2019."
People under 20 years old who actually contract the virus and receive zero treatment have a 0.002% chance of dying. That's 5x less than dying in an auto accident. But there are very effective drugs for treating severe symptoms. Therefore the chances of death are much smaller if treatment is administered.
The vaccine doesn't prevent a person from contracting or transferring the virus.
The vaccine has not been approved by the FDA and has only been approved for emergency clinical trials. So, when a person gets the vaccine, they have voluntarily agreed to be a test subject and to be monitored for two years.
Most people who get the vaccine have adverse reactions, and those reactions can be very severe, resulting in a number of issues, including temporary paralysis, Bell's Palsy, anaphylaxis, organ damage, and even death. The vaccine causes miscarriages and almost certainly causes infertility. So don't take it if you ever want to have children. Once vaccinated, a person has a good chance of reacting very severely if exposed to a wild virus. Their body can spiral into a cytokine storm and death. There are other scary downsides to the vaccine that I won't try going into.
@goaded I must have jumped over the infertility part. I’m not sure about that. But the other stuff is correct. I personally know a woman who is 50, was in great shape, and had no underlying health conditions. After her first shot, she started feeling weak later that day. The next morning her husband found her in the floor. She now has transverse myelitis. She cannot walk and has no control of her bladder or bowels. Everyone else I know that has taken the shot has had only a sore arm after the first shot and a day or two of “flu like symptoms” that went away. It is true that it is a minority who have had a bad reaction, but I have heard many similar stories online of others with bad side effects. Usually something neurological in nature. I’m not antivax at all, and am only sharing these things so people can be aware and make an informed decision on whether or not to take it. I think if you are young and or realistically healthy, I don’t think it is worth the risk. Especially since treatment now generates a 99.2% recovery rate.
@MasterOfReality No *known* underlying health conditions. I'm sorry for your friend, but can you be absolutely sure the same thing wouldn't have happened without the vaccine?
When something is caused by the vaccine (or people's immune system reaction to it), it will turn up more than once or twice (and I expect there's a good chance the same people's immune systems would have reacted the same way to the real virus). The blood clots affected 5 people in the UK, from 20 million vaccinations; it's now something they look out for, but it's not a good reason not to have the vaccine.
When you're listening to anecdotes, you're listening to the experiences of a very small fraction of the hundreds of millions on the internet, amplified by the people who share those anecdotes. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them were made up.
As to whether it's "worth the risk", first of all, the risk is "win the lottery jackpot" unlikely, and the risk to yourself is not what it's about. If, say, 30% of the population decide not to take the vaccine, they won't be immune until they've actually caught the virus. Everybody who catches the virus is a potential source of a mutation of the virus. Everybody who catches the virus is a potential source of infection. (I know, vaccinated people can still pass on the virus, but in smaller amounts, and for a shorter time, so they're less likely to infect anyone else.)
(Don't take the 30% as gospel, it's just a made up figure.)
@goaded I hear ya man. But my whole thing is, this is really uncharted territory with these shots. I’m not calling them vaccines because they aren’t. A vaccine is a dead or weakened form of a virus introduced to your body where you body build its own immunities up to it. These mRNA shots are classified as gene modifiers. Messing with your DNA just doesn’t sound like a good idea on the surface. It may be perfectly safe, but we really have no way of knowing until time passes. I work in the HC field as an infusion nurse, and I will tell you, it’s is about 50/50 the number of doctors, pharmacists and nurses I work with that say they will take the shot yet. Drugs that make it through the FDA approval process are recalled all the time after negative long term effects are discovered. These drugs are still in the experimental stage and aren’t even fully FDA approved yet (EUA only- emergency use authorization... So they are not legally responsible for any damages). My doctor has cautioned all of his patients against taking them unless they are elderly and/or with underlying health issues because the recovery rate is phenomenal (99.2%) and the truth is we have no idea what the long term effects will be. I would even even consider taking it (because I’m in the HC field) of it would prevent the acquisition and transmission of the virus, but these do not. So why bother? You really are only taking it so YOU won’t get sick, but with the Current success rate, I’ll take my chances. I understand if someone wants to take the shot, and it’s a personal choice, but I think people should know all the factors to take into consideration. I’m not even saying I’ll never take them, but surely not until after next fall. There is a school of thought among many pathologists and virologists that when those who have taken the current formula of mRNA drugs could possibly have fatal reactions to mutations of the virus when they arrive en masse in the fall.
To, say, this guy, who gives you a definition, then hopes you ignore it! www.lewrockwell.com/.../
"mRNA ‘Vaccines’ Fulfill None of the Criteria for a Vaccine
To start, let’s take a look at some basic definitions of words. According to the U. S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a vaccine is:1
“A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.”"
That's exactly what the mRNA vaccines do. The mechanism is to have some muscle cells produce the spike protein that the immune system should learn to recognise and attack. And there is no mechanism for either the mRNA or the spike proteins to reproduce themselves, so you can't be assimilated into the Borg collective by them.
"You really are only taking it so YOU won’t get sick," You might be, but I'd be taking it so that other people won't get sick, and we can hopefully get back to normal.
"There is a school of thought among many pathologists and virologists that when those who have taken the current formula of mRNA drugs could possibly have fatal reactions to mutations of the virus when they arrive en masse in the fall. " Assuming "many" is not just a few nutcases, what do they say about people who have had the actual virus, or the AstraZeneca vaccine? Won't they face the same problem?
I think Covid and the vaccine has brought out the best and the worst of us.
First line responders and care givers around the world have been amazing.
then you have the anti everything brigade, blaming 5G signals etc.
on a positive not the vaccine has been a major achievement.
the amount of either fake new or misreporting at even governmental levels is unreal.
for example the latest blood clot issue with Astra V. The Pfizer one actually results in more (but still ridiculously low) and that the female contraceptive pill results in a vastly higher number.
the amount of dna research, is amazing, the UK has probably the most advanced surveillance setup in the world for the DNA side of things.
Depends on the vaccine but a lot of them aren't safe. Especially Pfizer and Moderna can cause auto immune diseases and could proof fatal during the next round of corona. But rather than explaining it myself ill link the video of an expert i trust. Half of it is german since its for a german audience, but the same things are discussed in English. So you can just skip over the german parts and get a good understanding of her concerns.
Red flag phrase: "Wake up, parents [/people/sheeple]!!!"
If she had a valid scientific point about mRNA, etc., she would stick to her area of expertise, and make it in the scientific literature. She would also not be standing up in front of illegal gatherings, saying wearing masks for a few hours at a time will make your children stupid, it's all a power grab, social distancing won't slow the spread of the disease, and other conspiracy theories.
Once you start spouting those, you lose all credibility.
@goaded Where are you getting those citations from? I have not heard her say that masks will make your children stupid neither has she been fear mongering. If anything she gets on my nerves sometimes because of how theocratic she is.
"University College Dublin professor Dolores Cahill’s claims at an anti-Covid-19 lockdown protest that children who wear face masks are being “starved” of oxygen and will have lower IQ have been criticised by a fellow college academic.
Speaking at a lockdown protest in Herbert Park on St Patrick’s Day, Prof Cahill charged that “globalists” have pushed for mandatory mask wearing because “oxygen-deprived people are easy to manipulate”."
@goaded Not a fan of her performance there, i did find another protest of her where she did not go into this kind of territory. This one was quite early on in march so perhaps she self corrected. But her current message is still very important to take into account since its much closer to her field.
I find it appalling that the EU comitty is getting rid of the actual experts and critics and only listen to the people who collaborate their narrative. This goes along with the interviews of dolores where she is saying that studies and people with good track records are being pushed out, and people with bad track records like overblown data models time and time again are being promoted.
I still recommend you to listen to the video i posted given even in her speech you link which we can take as an example of her most easy to attack point she does not say things that are untrue since obviously an oxygen deprived brain functions less. I notice this myself in person because of my burnout, when my room is oxygen deprived i also start getting lightheaded and find it harder to think at times than when the air quality of my room is good. The masks have the same effect on me after a few minutes of wear.
But the deeper points she is making is that we need to sequence the PCR positives to detect if what they found was actually the corona virus, and that we need to analyse the vaccines so that we can understand later what kind of impact they are having. So that when for example people start dying of organ failure when the next flu goes around we can separate what part of it was caused by the flu and what part of it are long term vaccine effects.
She put her career on the line for this after being an absolute industry veteran, i think its only fair we all take a listen to what she has to say. Not just on a stage where she is hyping up the control aspect of it, but in the medical setting i linked.
The video on twitter was from a week or so ago. There was some lesser aggro last year about a misleading interview she did with an alt-right interviewer. Don't forget, she's also a politician, not just a scientist.
I don't think the EU is getting rid of "actual experts and critics" when they avoid people who say it's all a plot to take away your freedoms. Does she give concrete examples of "studies and people with good track records"?
When someone's being genuine, they can explain exactly what their conclusions are based on. There's literally nothing that says wearing a mask for a few hours a day will harm children (and young children are exempted, anyway).
Should we sequence all 100 million+ positive tests? Just in case she's right about something? By the next flu season, almost everyone will have been vaccinated. If the numbers killed by the flu are suddenly double the worst year for the last decade, the difference will still only be the number who have died in the last month (US numbers).
Sorry, standing up on stage and sounding exactly like a conspiracy theorist (with nothing to back it up, afaics) negates any prior experience in my eyes.
@goaded Her proposal is sequence 1 in 100 PCR tests to keep getting a good grip on what we are detecting. Because the PCR test can not be used to perform a good diagnostic. Your meant to actually sequence the positive ones to know for sure what your catching, even the creator of the test who conveniently died right before the pandemic said that it can not be used for diagnostics.
So she is right on this front, but they have been sequenced and guess what? Its not detecting corona anymore, its detecting influenza. So the flu is over, and we have multiple indicators for that such as the massively lower death statistics compared to the beginning of last year when i was one of the first people on this site warning for the flu.
Sorry, but you'll have to show me something that says the covid-19 PCR test is detecting a completely different virus. I don't think that's how it works. I'm not clear what else you're saying, but there have definitely been more people die in the last year than in any of the previous 5 years, by about the number attributed to covid-19.
@goaded There is a different statistic that compares the corona virus deaths with the number of cases. And you will see there being a clear colleration between positive cases and deaths. The more cases the more deaths, and the fewer cases the fewer deaths. Until the summer, then the cases began going up and in my country even massively going on because they ramped up the testing. What they are omitting are a few things, like the amount of tests conducted compared to the positives. This is of course openly availible and we can see in reality the amount of positive tests per total amount of tests is going down, but in the media they will just mention the numbers going up. Whats not going up is the deaths, that has maintained a regular death level and the deaths caused by the wuhan flu are pretty much nonexistant at this point.
Doloris in the interview i linked mentions that tests that have been sequenced by someone else (Who unfortunately did not go trough the formal process yet) contained Influenza and not corona. Which makes sense since any other flu season only lasts a few months. It would not be a normal scenario if the flu survived the summer like it never does. It always dies out in the summer and then you get a new flu season later. Rino, Corona, Influenza. Same pattern every year. Why would this one suddenly have survived and why are the death statistics drastically lower?
A few explenations are possible, either the disease is gone and its either false positives because of prior infection or positives on something that isn't the wuhan flu. Its also possible its no longer a disease we have to worry about because treatments are now effective enough to get people treated.
Either way there just isn't evidence we still need masks and lockdowns, there is no evidence we need these experimental vaccines which are righyfully called experimental since they are not yet past the experimental phase. We can just life as we always have been living. It was a particularly bad flu season in the end of 2019 / beginning of 2020 because of this specific flu. And now we can all move on and be happy.
OK, first of all, PCR tests work by replicating particular segments of dna; they ignore everything they're not specifically looking for. That means that coronavirus tests can't detect influenza viruses. (I'm not a chemist or biologist, so I could be wrong, but I don't think so.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerase_chain_reaction
As to cases -> deaths, pretty much every spike (or trough) in cases matches up with a spike (or trough) in deaths a couple of weeks later. www.worldometers.info/.../ Although the last month's rise in cases hasn't led to a rise in deaths, thankfully. Maybe you're really coming out of it, or maybe increased testing is resulting in the higher numbers. We've finally started doing quick tests, here. Take a sample, mix with a fluid, drop on some paper, and get the answer 15 minutes later. That's bound to increase the number of detected cases in the short term.
Please don't call it flu (let alone wuhan flu), it's a different virus altogether; that's really not in question. You still have 30 people a day dying from it. The problem with waiting for absolute proof that it would kill, say, 2% of the population, is that you'd have to let it kill 2% of the population. At that point, it's a bit late to take precautions! Really, countries across the world have experienced significantly more people dying in any particular period than in any of the previous several years.
@goaded No thats an incorrect assumption. Because lets say this is indeed still around and people are still vulnerable and dolores incorrectly interperated these statistics while the lockdowns caused the wuhan flu (Which i will keep calling it because i refuse to use languistic propeganda like covid-19 when i refer to this specific wave of the corona virus, as is consistent with things like Spanish flu or the swine flu) not to be over in the regular time frame. Or, given it is an endemic disease lets say there now is the British flu for example who takes its place and could still have an effect.
Would that warrent continuing in lockdown? Well no, because not only would the deaths not significantly go up as is also demonstrated by countries who had no lockdowns being as well off as we are. We have effective treatment with hydroxichloroquine which when given before the fatal stage begins combined with zinc in an appropriate dosis and not a lethal dosis is perfect to either prevent the disease or turn a very sick patient around. So even then it makes more sense to provide ways for the weak to safely participate in society. Like having the first 2 supermarket hours open for people of high risk groups exclusively with optional mask mandates if people really value them, while the rest of the day is lockdown free. You can make sure these medicines like HCQ are widely availible and can then use them if need be. You can scale up the health infrastructure if need be, and you can just let nature do its thing with people naturally vaccinating each other against the newly emerging strains that are still similar enough for the immune system to deal with it properly and thus you keep the immune system up to date.
There is absolutely no need for these destructive lockdowns, no need for these experimental vaccines, and no need for all this hysteria. It was when i was first warning about this that we had something coming our way that could proof quite bad. But back then it wasn't known how many people already had it, it was not as severe as expected but it also is now much more treatable. You do not need to harm people's health for weeks by putting them on ventilators, we got way better treatments now. So its all very managable if you at least would allow the population access to these cheap unpatentet medicines that work. Which naturally because of massive corporate greed they do not want to do.
And no, there are statistics of my own countries death history, its similar to the levels prior to 2017 especially if you compensate for our aging population. So while a very severe flu season it was not the level where suddenly 20% of the population died. Its mostly people who have health deficiencies that are treatable both preventive and retroactively as long as you do it prior to the second week where the immune response gets to severe.
The coronavirus is as much a flu virus as you are a fish. Just because you can both bite people doesn't make you the same.
Countries with no lockdown (which ones, do they have similar societies, climate, population density, etc?) aren't doing as well as you. Sweden, for example, the go-to country for denialists (which didn't just ignore the problem, by the way), is doing significantly worse, in terms of deaths per capita.
You're talking about hydroxichloroquine & zinc, like it was March 2020 not 2021. Its emergency use authorisation got revoked in the US back last July, because it doesn't work. www.medrxiv.org/.../2020.07.28.20164012v1 "Conclusion There is conclusive evidence that CQ and HCQ, with or without Azithromycin are not effective in treating COVID-19 or its exacerbation." (July 30, 2020)
The expected number of deaths for the Netherlands in 2020, accounting for an aging population, for 2020, is 153,402 and for 2021 the number is 154,887. How many people died last year? I really can't find that figure. www.cbs.nl/.../excess-mortality-and-expected-mortality
And since when did one person in five become the level at which to react? Isn't one in 1000 (the current amount) enough? Half the covid deaths in your country happened in the last four months.
@goaded The study you link there is not one of the good studies. I know it got revoked but i disagree with the reasoning behind it. You can't do a meta study on both chloroquine (Which has more severe side effects) and Hydroxichloroquine and omit Zinc which is required to make it work effectively. So we can't just assume its not effective when the method the doctors are using to create the positive effects have a few prerequisites. Its required its given as either a preventative measure or before the immune response getting out of hand, and its required to be used in combination with zinc and in their case often proscribed with azitromicin which is an antibiotic. The combination of those 3 is the combination people are raving about, and if you want i can link an entire breakdown of why this drug works and how it works.
Nobody is denying that more people died than usual though, we had a severe disease (Ill do you a favor and not call it a flu in this reply, since you clearly seem to mean that flu stems from the word influenza while in my language the word for flu has no such limit. So i can use the dutch word for flu in these scenario's but your giving me doubt if that holds up in English) going round with this specific strain of corona. So naturally more people than usual will die because it is a strong flu season as a result. The last few years our flu seazons were mild, so part of the contributing factor to that is that people survived these flu seazons while normally they would not have. Hence the figures are now higher than you'd expect. You also have to compensate for the arbitrary nature of the expected deaths and the eventual deaths from diseases. You'd be better off looking at the previous number of deaths caused by diseases and then look at the current number.
I tried quite hard but unfortunately its almost impossible to get the right statistics back out of these systems. They are manipulating with the data big time, data i need is either only present up to 2019 or they are not giving the accurate data. Such as deaths of people who had covid19, but not deaths caused by covid19. Making the death toll artificially seem very high.
So no you can't blindly trust my government to say how many people died from this disease, as they are going out of their way to say this. They will register something as a covid related death the moment someone tested positive. So if you have heart failure for example but you also get a positive PCR that will go in the covid death registry despite heart failure not being a symptom. Naturally deaths keep corruring since its the usual flu season right now and always in a flu season a large amount of people die (Although statistically very low just like the corona statistics when properly displayed who died BECAUSE of this deases and not who died with it).
There just is an insane amount of fear mongering going on, massive amounts of data manipulation, and studies are done to discredit medicines that work. And its pretty exhausting to continuously have to debunk it all. But take it from me that at least if your looking at the situation in the netherlands the numbers are artificial and you have to dig quite hard to find the people who did not die from underlying conditions. And this is the case for most countries unfortunately.
I'm pretty against it right now. As you said, it came out so quickly and people are so desperate to get back to a normal life that they'll put anything in their bodies. I just heard about a woman I know who was seven months pregnant and got the vaccine to feel safer about her health and the baby's. The vaccine killed the baby today, who was otherwise healthy before its mother got the vaccine. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want something in my body that might possibly hurt me or give me any long-lasting symptoms.
Personally, I'd be fine without it until I absolutely have to get it by law. My immune system is the strongest it's ever been, I haven't gotten sick in over 3 years and haven't had a flu shot since I was 11. I think I'll be okay. But it's up to you whether or not you'd like to get it.
Read "Scenarios for the Future" 2010 edition by the Rockefellar foundation and come to your own conclusions. For the non-skeptics numerous doctors, scholars, health care workers, etc are finding interesting reactions within those who have tested positive and/or were exposed to the virus. The various infection fighting immune cells used against the virus are actually combatting with the vaccine instead of working together. I encourage you to do your own research and follow what you feel is best. The amount of pressure being put on the vaccine is incredible and that's coming from both sides of the fence. Ask yourself if your collective findings and beliefs have more pros or cons? Best of luck.
I got the Moderna vaccine. I haven't had any problems. Since most of the people I know in real life are older than me, most of them have gotten the vaccine. I have not heard of anyone having a problem. The very worst I've heard about is feeling kinda tired.
Some people have felt like crap for a few days, but not anyone I know. Keep in mind that the purpose of the vaccine is to cause a reaction in your body. You body will fight it, and you may get some symptoms associated with that. The symptoms are a sign that your body is doing what it's supposed to do.
The vaccine does NOT give you a mild case of Covid-19. It's not even possible to get Covid-19 from the vaccine. It just causes a reaction in the body which gives it the ability to fight Covid.
It didn't "come out quickly". The worlds labs practically dropped everything and worked on it alone.
Thus it shows that world collaboration on a "common enemy" is possible and can make big things happen. As for vaccines - they are mostly all the same, it's just their payload and envelope that is different. Hence it's not like they started from 0%. They actually started from around 70%
Thus the "testing" was more on the envelop and payload being effective enough. The rest has been around for decades and used in other vaccines.
The testing is still ongoing, you can go to the Pfizer website and see that several important studies have a 'Recruiting' status meaning they have not even started yet. This kind of vaccine has previously not past the long term studies because while promising in the short term tests people died from them in the long run due to an overreaction of the body which leads to organ failure.
If you research the status of the vaccines a bit more you will know that its only being given a temporary emergency use approval and not a full on approval that it is fully safe. This could only be done after several years of long term testing. That makes these vaccines rushed by default and they have come out quicker than they normally would be allowed to be.
Do you understand why people might be concerned about a rushed vaccine? If I'm wrong, please correct me, but you seem to be under the impression that people are going to get a shoddy product because not enough time was spent on development.
That's not what people, including me, are concerned about. For me at least, the concern is that we don't have any idea what the long term effects will be, and being told to shut up, go away, you're an idiot really doesn't do anything to allay those concerns.
@BrosephBrostar That but its a bit worse. Not only do we not know for certain what the long term effects will be. Corona drugs in the past enhanced the disease causing a severe and often lethal overreaction in the body. So there are multiple indicators that it could proof fatal in the coming years.
And what we also do not know is if your cells mutate to the point your dna is effected. If that happens you become a genetically modified organism and in legal terms are no longer considered human. Which is why the EU had to change their legal handling around GMO's.
So while we indeed do not know, most of the things we do know point to bad outcomes. And i stand by my own belief backed up by vaccine expert Doloris Cahill that no effective vaccine would have to be given more than once. As none of the good vaccines ever needed this.
Which one? :) They all seem to be reasonably safe; millions of people have been vaccinated, mostly older people, and deaths haven't spiked. It's certainly not as dangerous as the virus itself, otherwise half a million Americans more would have died in the last few months!
There is some concern over blood clotting with one of them, but that's not even a one in a million chance, nearer one in two million; five cases and one fatality in the UK, iirc, and new advice allows people to spot the symptoms and receive effective treatment.
@SlightlyEccentric We're not talking Russian Roulette, here, millions of people, tens of millions, actually, have taken it, and are fine. And most of them are frail old people. I mean, they're even older than me!
Pick one from a mountain of revolvers, one of which has a bullet in it, to be shot in your general direction by a blind person. That's the kind of risk you're taking. I'll get it, first chance I get.
I don’t tell folks to get it or not get it. But I’m not getting it. It hasn’t been approved by the FDA (only EUA status- emergency use authorization). The virus has a 99.2% survival rate per the CDC now. Also, these new mRNA vaccines do not prevent you from acquiring and transmitting the virus, only supposedly keep you from getting sick from it. So why bother if you are healthy? No one knows what the long term effects from taking mRNA vaccines are. If you are elderly and/or have high risk health factors, I might consider it.
It is a risk to take it. That much is certain. Especially given that we do not know the long term effects of the vaccine. However, for the time being it seems as though it can be said to be a logical option. I personally will not accept the vaccine into my body and I will accept the criticism and ridicule that comes along with it. I decline the vaccine out of fear of the unknown. Especially given my history of severe life threatening reactions to other vaccines. You asked for the public’s opinion. You got it.
Here's a little knowledge I'd like to drop. The virus name of covid19 is SARS-COV-2. So named due to its amino acid similarity to the first SARS. Many scientists and physicians have been working on a vaccine since the first SARS and MERS emerged. Since both of these viruses died out, the immediate need to produce a vaccine was pushed aside. There were other viruses and diseases that poised a threat. However, many scientists still worked behind the scenes to create a vaccine just in case. The technology existed since 2015, there just wasn't an immediate need to do so until 2020. Keep in mind I'm not telling anyone to get the vaccine or not, but the term "warp speed" is slightly misleading.
All legitimate authentic data (i. e not fake news) point towards the vaccine being (1) extremely helpful in reducing and practically nullifying all Covid-19 symptoms, and (2) perfectly safe with very little (and rare) short/long term side effects. Whatever risks scientists hypothesize might result from the vaccine - they are a hell of lot more minor than those of the actual virus.
You'll notice the anti-vaxxers have nothing but links to fake news and a cult narrative of "you're all sheep, we are smarter than science, hail the chosen few". It's really quite pathetic, not to mention irresponsible and cruel. Anyone who is allowed to get vaccinated - should. It protects you, your family and others in your environment!
There is not one single person on this plant who knows what the long term side effects are. How on earth can we? We have less than a years worth of data on this vaccine.
Oh, one last thing: "Anyone who is allowed to get vaccinated - should. It protects you, your family and others in your environment!" that's not true. Every single mainstream media source, what you would consider "legitimate authentic data" is saying that the vaccine does not stop you from potentially being a carrier. I can't find a single source saying otherwise.
1. We have lots of data about potential side effects of previous vaccines for other Covid variations. It's simple deduction.
2. Simple risk management. We know what the virus could do to many of those infected, and it's a hell of a lot worse than any actual side effect any paranoid weirdo could imagine.
3. Yes, you could potentially get infected even when vaccinated (like 1.7%-5% chance) but you won't have symptoms, which means you'll be less likely to infect others as symptoms include sneezing and coughing.
4. I consider legitimate authentic data to be legitimate authentic data. Like publications by official institutes, like results and cocnlusions of academic researches (unlike you, whose "data" is youtube fake news). But nice try with that! :)
5. These are all the answers the Asker kid needs. I'm not gonna waste my time on a disease spreading anti-vaxxer who cares more about appearing special and different than the health of those around them, who would disregard modern medicine for the sake of stupid conspiracy theories. I hope you like being ignored!
I've had both vaccinations, with nothing more than a little soreness at the injection sites. The vaccines protect you from getting Covid by about 95%. If you do get Covid, after the second injection, then the case is relatively mild, and almost no chance of it being severe enough to be hospitalized. These are medical and scientific, facts, not opinion.
I mean I have to get it irregardless since my girlfriend lives overseas atm and I can't travel to see her unless I get it. Plus I want to propose to her soon and I can't exactly do that here. Anyways I am not an anti vaxxer. My family had polio in the past. Guess what's not a problem anymore thanks to vaccines; Polio.
As for me I’m not a fan of vaccines, pills or any shit like that & when it comes to the flu vaccine I haven’t had one in about 15 years. On the other hand over 20 of my coworkers got sick from COVID-19, one died & just recently I lost a good friend of mine. About a week ago I signed up for my first covid vaccine & this morning I got my first shot. Does it work, I have no idea. Do I trust it, not really however for right now it’s better than nothing.
You are twisting what he says. Its true he is skeptical. But thhe point as you state it is not his. What he says is it creates a president and the president could be used in future in that way. He is not saying this is what is happening today.
@kingofthellamas I've been following him for a while, and yes, indeed, he is sceptical. I remember him a good few months ago saying that there is a degree of risk involved in vaccinating healthy people, that it didn't make sense to him. These policies are dangerous. You're the one twisting his words.
You only ever vaccinate healthy people! If you're sick, you don't get a vaccination because your immune system is compromised (you also shouldn't give blood). The idea is to keep them healthy.
"America's Frontline Doctors is an American right-wing political organization. Founded by Simone Gold and promoted by the Tea Party Patriots, it has opposed lockdowns and social distancing mandates during the COVID-19 pandemic by citing alleged and unapproved treatments for COVID-19.
In January 2021, Gold and the group's communications director John Strand were both arrested in connection with the January 6 storming of the United States Capitol. "
@goaded Err, in case you hadn't noticed, anyone that questions the narrative gets defamed on wiki et al. Plus their career is usually over, incidentally.
Also, I'll just leave this here for you:
Nice successful jab roll out. Funnily enough, the jab seemed to be working, last year, too!
Er, no. You wrote "Even the former head of Pfizer, Dr Mike Yeadon, says: ‘Entirely possible this will be used for massive-scale depopulation’" Meaning that the COVID-19 vaccination could be used for that purpose. That is you twisting what he said. What he meant was that a future mass vaccination programme could be used in that way. I have corrected you, and you are finding it hard to accept. End of.
@kingofthellamas Did you actually read the article? The context of the whole article is pretty clear. 'In the presence of evil' and 'crimes against humanity'. And if you're trying to suggest he's referring to the systems put in place, then clearly the same systems he's decrying are what have approved this vaccine.
America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) spoke to former Pfizer Vice President and Chief Science Officer Dr. Mike Yeadon about his views on the COVID-19 vaccine, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, the regulatory authorities, and more.
At the outset, Dr. Yeadon said “I’m well aware of the global crimes against humanity being perpetrated against a large proportion of the worlds population.
“I feel great fear, but I’m not deterred from giving expert testimony to multiple groups of able lawyers like Rocco Galati in Canada and Reiner Fuellmich in Germany.
“I have absolutely no doubt that we are in the presence of evil (not a determination I’ve ever made before in a 40-year research career) and dangerous products.
“In the U. K., it’s abundantly clear that the authorities are bent on a course which will result in administering ‘vaccines’ to as many of the population as they can. This is madness, because even if these agents were legitimate, protection is needed only by those at notably elevated risk of death from the virus. In those people, there might even be an argument that the risks are worth bearing. And there definitely are risks which are what I call ‘mechanistic’: inbuilt in the way they work.
“But all the other people, those in good health and younger than 60 years, perhaps a little older, they don’t perish from the virus. In this large group, it’s wholly unethical to administer something novel and for which the potential for unwanted effects after a few months is completely uncharacterized.
You really think that as soon as the first person got vaccinated, the whole country became immune? You'd have had a better case if the numbers had instantly dropped. Like they do when lockdowns are ordered.
The video, below, is of Yeadon, via www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/292232 and your friendly Trump rioters' cooperative www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/.../ . In it, he talks about how terrible it is to have restrictions on people, because the pandemic was clearly over. In April last year. It was posted, if not made, in November, just as your graph shows a resurgence.
@goaded Well, as soon as people started to be vaccinated, a whole wedge more people died, as the graph demonstrates. But what it really demonstrates is the seasonality of respiratory viruses.
Well, given the seasonality of the virus he was justified given we still had pretty harsh restrictions in summer/autumn and yet it was made out it was still deadly during that period.
What happened during this winter is that respiratory viruses follow their natural course, with a huge upsurge. As the numbers appeared to be levelling out somewhat, the vaccination programme began, and a whole bunch more people died. Plus we have falsely attributed lockdown deaths on the basis of PCR results which we have established are pretty meaningless. More dodgy PCR tests = more covid deaths.
I'm not saying my analysis is 100% true, since as always complicated factors are involved. Although far more likely than your conception of the situation.
Interesting article that scientists and doctors are terrified of speaking out.
What a bunch of fucking complicit pansies, actually:
How terrible that responsible people are saying the responsible thing is not to be optimistic in public! I'm quite sure nobody would be happier than me to learn I'm wrong and everybody is already immune to the virus in all its variants, but the sensible thing to do is behave as if nobody is, until we're sure. Assume the worst, hope for the best.
At the recent peak of new cases, less than 4% of the UK population had received a vaccination. You need way more than 50% immunity, maybe as much as 90% to really halt infections. Or a lockdown.
What you're saying is that as soon as a few thousand people got a vaccination, tens of thousands of other people died, and that's related?
The count of covid-19 deaths matches the excess deaths over the last year quite well, in the UK and US, at least. Check out "Weekly excess mortality in England analysis", here: www.gov.uk/.../excess-mortality-in-england-weekly-reports
There is no chance it could have been developed properly. It takes decades to develop a new vaccine.
Just remember Ebola, we had an epidemic in 2013/14, the vaccine for it already had 37 years of research behind it, yet they couldn't even finish it in those two years, but instead it arrived at the end of 2019, after 43 years total.
Here they allegedly went through the entire process in a few months. So either we made 100 years worth of progress in vaccine development literally overnight, or someone here us lying through their fucking teeth.
If it doesn't give you any prons only cons why you do it? I rather inject my self with steroids at least they give something good between the many side effects.. this thing will only give you side effects.. plus probaly after some years will turn into cancer or something.. no thanks i trust steroids much more
I dont find corona dangerous plus i have good immune system. i never get sick. i dont need this vaccine.. and i also did good research.. steroids are 10 times healthier than this
Not getting one and I don't think I will. I don't have any of the comorbidities typically associated with the disease, and I'm in an age bracket with an essentially 100% survival rate. If I was older, I'd probably reconsider, but for now, I just don't see a compelling reason to take a rushed vaccine.
I'm a LOT skeptical. Even three years is a very short period in which to develop and test a new medicine, and this was done in about one-fifth of that? I don't buy a car the first year they come out either. If I were to get an injection, I would consider getting a pneumococcal shot to be more critical than a minimally-tested COVID shot.
I am pretty skeptical about it too and when i see people rushing to get it it makes not want to take it even more lol but yea it definitely is suspicious that it came out so fast. Normally vaccines can take years to make and something that can't be rushed.
It made me a bit sick and I felt some muscle discomfort as well as a bit of nausea. I got the first shot yesterday and feel better today. I am still vey happy to be able to get it though... Hell, I was in the military and they vaccinated the shit out of me without asking consent. This time it was actually my willing participation and now I wait for that second shot.. I'm glad I got it.
R. I. p make sure to buy your coffin soon. You’ll be dead less than a year from the time you took the jab, that’s the outcome of morons who watch the fake mainstream media, and don’t research shit,
@Radio4men lol Too sad that that you are one ignorant paranoid fuck who could never actually cut it in the military. Though you would make excellent as cannon fodder to get rid of your deflective genetic line first.. Fucking idiot, wuteva the world needs ditch diggers like you anyway. Go pick so fruit or vegetables while you are at it. Damn migrant workers, just have no real education. That is why you don't need to be here... spreading diseases and shit!
Nothing to do with ignorance or education I just don’t watch a mainstream media how did I know that that’s where you get your information from people like you will find out the hard way actually you’ll find out when your deathbed no matter what anyone says you’re so brainwashed that you’re going to keep using buzzwords I could already tell based on your language where you get the information from.
It is a huge milestone for humans. We can now make RNA virus vaccines for many other diseases which will greatly improve human health now and in the future. Also the basic technology of the vaccine isn't that complicated with a little reading. We have been using this delivery system for more than 10 years for some cancer treatments. You can be skeptical, but in the end this is an amazing achievement.
People who keep saying weird things like skepticism why it was developed quickly when they don't even know the science behind it. We hadn't had a new virus to develop an mRNA vaccine for, and it's not hard virus to tell the t-cells to defeat either.
I got vaccinated the first opportunity I had. Who is to say that it was "rushed" maybe the process for other vaccines are drug out to make more money? The pharmaceutical companies didn't have to drag it out for profits this time here in the USA because the government paid them billions up front.
Its the other way around, the trials cost them money as they need to get past heavy regulations. Skipping that is more profitable since its a shorter development time yet they can still drive the prices up due to high demand.
Those vaccine companies are making tens of billions of dollars on the vaccine. The government is paying them with our tax money. This has always been about profit. That is the only reason why Bill Gates invested so heavily. He said he expects to make back 20x his investment. Fauci will also make $millions.
So many tolerant accepting people in this comment section lol. It's nice to see how accepting they are with others personal choices about what goes/doesn't into their bodies.
That being said, I already had covid and im fine. I resumed my physical training and I've been around many other who have had ot after I was cleared from it. People need to get back to real life and not stay at home
It appears to me that this is a win win. Either you think the vaccine is a good thing and those who don't take it are awafil people so hopefully the virus will infect them and remove their annoysnce from the planet or you think the opposite. Either way, one side is going to win big and the other don't believe in the vaccine.
I took the first round of the Moderna vaccine.. Only thing I had from it was a sore arm of three days. I've been told the second one has the potential to make me sick though.. Not like long term sick, more like 12 to 16 hours. I personally don't care though as long as it works.
I am hesitant about getting the vaccine. But I have a feeling that in the near future, if you want to travel internationally or even just within the country. You will need to have proof that you have received the vaccine. But you don’t need proof of who you are to vote! Sorry. Couldn’t help myself!
Still stay strong, its gonna be tough for us for a while but do not give in. If enough people refuse we can have an impact so they'd be forced to let us travel again. And sooner or later it will come out of how bad the side effects of these vaccines are and then they'd let us free either way. It might take years, but i doubt this is permanent as long as a substantial portion of the population refuses these experimental vaccines.
@sawno unfortunately, I retired with the intention of traveling. Not to stay home in the bunker. Time marches on for us older people. If I were a young female, I would be extremely hesitant about getting the vaccine. Might be fertility problems down the road.
Not just a fertility problem, could also be a death sentence in the long term if you get reintroduced to the virus later on and your immune system detects the viral RNA in your cells.
Why, I don't understand this thinking. I work for UK gov, like I'm not super high, very much the the opposite, but I don't get this way of thinking. Working in gov is a job. You have shit days you have good days. You do your best. But honestly dude it's just a job. No one is desperately clinging on to power anymore than they cling on to any other job. And no one is secretly plotting to take the world over by stealth. We re not on commission to be more controlling or anything. We will leave our jobs just as you might. We not in it for some long term power play.
@kingofthellamas You are very naive. What specific thing you have said that I consider to be naive is not something that I feel like dedicating more time to.
@kingofthellamas By you're own admission, you're not high up, you're not a public figure, you're not a power broker.
The people I'm talking about are the people at the top, the power brokers, the ones on TV, the ones with long histories of corruption and power grabbing.
They rely on people like you, the ones that are far too trusting, to pressure the ones like me who pay attention and learn.
I guess when you say a long history of corruption and power grabbing you are meaning career politicians are the one's with the secret agenda? A hidden master plan led by such people is an attractive idea. Its existence means all the madness of the world would become clear - if only that hidden plan was known. (Possibly, the reasons why some people get on well in life against more worthy people could be explained too by some overarching hidden agenda). The reality that I see is that people in gov and business are just doing the best to mitigate against challenges that come their way. That is a slightly more frightening thought in a way because it means, no one has clue what is happening or will happen in the future. Terrifying, but more plausible than a hidden plan. A hidden plan could not be implemented at the whim of a few hidden players at the top wanted it to be. It is not how gov works. Working in gov there are a stack load of intern connecting parts on x dept and y agenda and z policy etc. Things happen because of how matters x y and z all connect up. To make things happen to meet a hidden plan would need to control x y and z to force an outcome you want. There is no way of knowing how z y and z might be heat mapped to determine a response because by the time that has been done, a b and c become known and pull implementation another way. Yes I'm a minion and possibly naive. But the more i see that more i just don't see how some master evil plan would or could be implemented. It would need tens of thousands of people to be in on it to help it to be implemented because of all the abc and xyz that create any action. (Action does not happen by the whim of a few corrupt individuals). Its a tired point, but I farted in chemistry class when I was 14 and the whole school knew about that come assembly the next day. You could not keep something like a hidden plan hidden.
@kingofthellamas It doesn't take many being "in on it" to make it happen, it just requires minions to unquestionably follow orders.
Education in the United States is a prime example of a master plan having been executed. Our schools are indoctrination centers for left wing orthodoxy and we can see in the most recent two generations how successful that has been. It's not as hard as you seem to believe.
I don't think you've read my reply. I tried to lay out why that's not plausible. My point is that magement in gov happens in a matrix (of matrices) . And if you've worked in matrix management it pretty much means no one ever gets exactly what they want.
I get that. But Mr McDonald can't cook every burger. He needs people to do that. In gov those people work in a matrix structure with multiple reporting lines. A hidden plan would need thousands of people to be in on it, to know their benefits and hold a silence on it. That's just not probable.
The question would be like asking did you ever thought about lethal injection? if people wanted to stay healthy they would have eat fruits and vegetables and they would moved a lot and would’ve exercised and got a lot of sun light and fresh air. But they don’t, the world is fat and lazy, 99% of people eat only based on pressure and not healing, and inject yourself with aluminum /message/ and other chemicals in hopes to be healthy? Do people think anymore?
I already got the vaccine. Don't worry the vaccine is safe. It was thought that the AustroZeneca vaccine caused blood clots but, this was later disproven. The others have had no issues. The reason why the vaccine was approved so quickly is because there was an unusually high amount of funding put towards the vaccine because it was such a severe virus.
I was enthusiastic about it before but I can't ignore the complications occuring which are potential side effects. I still think being vaccinated outweighs the potential damage one suffers as a result of contracting the worst variants of covid-19 but I'm open to alternative views.
My opinion is to do your own research. I trust it because at least in the u. s. they gave been very transparent about everything. You can watch all of the fda’s and cdc’s meetings on it And all of the data is public info that you can find online. I got my first dose of the Pfizer one And I’m getting my second dose next week.
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It's gene therapy, and it's probably going to either cause infertility which can be cured for a fee or add a cytokine storm kill switch to your body that they can use to cull the population as needed.
In any case, it's the stuff of nightmares.
It also shouldn't be called a vaccine at all because even if it works as advertised, it's not the same, or even a similar technology.
I'ma skip out on that. I haven't caught covid yet. 🤣 I'm pretty careful though, I always wash my hands in public and wear my mask. I'll be glad when we're able to not worry about it anymore. It's on the decline in my area.
I got it over with and I feel fine. I’m dying for other people to take it and get it over with because I’m so sick of this Covid shit and social distancing
yep. waiting for that too. Still can't get one in my area and it drives me nuts. These anti vaxxer idiots could put my Fiancee's life in danger since she's coming up from Colombia. If she got sick because of some anti-vaxxer idiot... man I would be crushed.
Covid in general is a scam and all political... give me a break... more people die from the flu every year then from covid and do nothing about it... look it up...
A fair proportion of recipients get symptoms after the vaccine, but that's just their immune system getting to work on it. It's not a bad thing (and a lot better than getting the real thing).
My thoughts are that if they don't know how long it protects you and whether it defends against other variants then I don't see the point of taking it.
I'm getting the vaccine. A few of friends and friends grandparents or parents have gotten the vaccine and are alive, well and healthy so I'm pretty sure it's safe.
No problem I had my first jab in February. The side affects are pretty mild , it didn't bother me. Virus without the vaccine can kill you. A needle in the arm , shut your eyes. It takes seconds to do. Get it done , now..
@Gedaria zero if you ignore all the people that died, wtf are you smoking?
@BrosephBrostar if you have an easy way of not potentially dying from a thing, why pass on it? You realise you're gambling with your life? I don't understand that logic at all.
@BrosephBrostar I know it's low, but low is still a chance of death. Why not avoid that by taking the vaccine? Otherwise yes, you're gambling with your life. Again, I don't understand the logic.
It is a true modern miracle and a good example of when you set a goal and have ample funding and good leadership anything can be accomplished. I get the second dose next week.
I think the vaccine itself is fine, family members of mine had theirs and they seem fine. I think a lot of what people have is that they still have to follow lockdown orders even after they got it so they might not see any point in it.
I've found out that this ChinaVirus "vaccine" is not really a true vaccine. It's merely a symptom suppresser that GIVES you this virus, and reduces the severity of your symptoms. People ignorant enough to take these shots will pose a risk to everyone else who have NOT taken the shots. (source: TruNews dot Com)
I’ve been busy with many things lately to care about the vaccine or the virus but now that I am free I will take it as soon as possible for the sake of my kid, parents and everyone I love
I've seen on the news showing positive effectiveness/lower positives. is it must be working. i mean the very very few cases of adverese reactions seems to have good odds
Do NOT take this vaccine while pregnant. I repeat, DO NOT TAKE THIS VACCINE WHILE PREGNANT. (This does not qualify as medical advice. I take no responsibility in your decision. I am not a licensed medical professional)
Not true. Every single MSM source says that the vaccine doesn't stop you from being a carrier. I have yet to find one that says you cease to be carrier.
@BrosephBrostar It's not about being a carrier, it's about being a producer. Being a carrier just means that you can get some of the virus on you and then pass it to someone else you come into contact with. If you become infected, your body actively generates more of the virus and wants to spew it everywhere. Even if you live and suffer no lasting side-effects from infection, you could still pass it on to someone who isn't so lucky. If you become immune to infection, that massively reduces your chances of spreading the virus to someone else. And if the vast majority of the population is vaccinated that exponentially reduces the virus's available transmission vectors. This is especially important for people who don't have the option of being vaccinated, such as people with compromised immune systems.
How do you depopulate the world you can go around shooting the second method this to brainwash them like you and then give them lethal injection but don’t kill them right away they’ll be too obvious let the job work a system she’ll destroy people with one year from the time they took the jab. Any manufacturers who made these jobs said i’m selves no matter what they will never take these things themselves.
I will take it when my time comes it came out quickly because it wasn’t tied up in bureaucratic red tape as all countries needed it shows what can be achieved when people work together
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