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Why are people so upset about anti-vaxxers, if vaccine really works than just take it and be happy? What's the point of forcing it to others?
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Here is how I equate it for you.
You are in a fancy restaurant with friends and family celebrating your grandmas 90th birthday. As a surprise, you have a cake delivered to the table for everyone to share. On his way out the waiter accidentally just sneezes all over this cake. I mean total coverage on this cake, but nothing visible.
Now the waiter could have turned his head to sneeze or put the cake down and used his sleeve to cover his nose, but he chose not to. Maybe he wanted to exercise his free will to sneeze wherever he pleases or maybe he was worried about the side effects of missing the right timing on the birthday cake surprise and he didn't have enough time to find out if his decision to stop would have long term effects. Point is, this cake gets delivered and nobody at the table is aware this guy sneezed on it.
So the slices start going out and some choose not to eat cake because of dietary reason, but most take it including grandma. Days later, people start getting sick, but you and others feel fine even after eating this snot cake. Grandma particularly is affected and gets further complications from it, ending up with pneumonia and eventually dying.
Now everyone is angry because Grandma didn't have to die, if only the waiter had taken a few precautions.
Meanwhile some jerk on the internet tries to deny the waiter is at fault at all because, he shouldn't be forced to turn his head, or it was only a small percentage of people who got sick and died and those are acceptable losses, or that it wasn't even his germs that killed her. She died from pneumonia so it doesn't count against the waiter. Besides, the rest of the people there had healthy immune systems so if theirs work then they shouldn't be worried about anyone else.
That's why it makes people upset. It is preventable stuff that we could all work on together even if you choose not to get vaccinated, but for the love of God, please stop politicizing the mask too. We have to send our children out there with people like that. That is scary.
Yeah, grandma could have lived for another 30000000 years! 90 is so young, so sad that she had to die :(
See, you make this joke ignorantly.
100 years ago a man's life expectancy was around 50. In the early 1800s it was 40. It is nearly 80. If a person is in relative good health for their age and wants to continue living, then some jack*ss comes by, in this example let's just use you, so you walk by and spread whatever multitude of diseases you are most likely carrying. So she dies needlessly just because you had to exist and not only exist, but exist selfishly.
Now if you had any humanity in you at all, that would seem tragic, but since you seem to lack basic human decency, let's just hope the closest you come to getting around other people is looking at your grubhub driver through the peephole of your door for the 3rd time this week.
You forgot to add the tltr;
I am a massive n** faggot
No I was quoting you you massive Nigerian faggot
End your pathetic life rn
Lol oh honey, I've seen this with other children when they try to use grown up words to seem tougher than they really are. I admire your attempts to try and seem really brave, but the adults see through it.
I can't really reward that kind of behavior, but you can be brave in other ways that can you get you the attention you crave. Think you can be a big boy and try to be brave by having more maturity than you are showing now? I think you can honey, I believe in you!
Stop trying to sound smart and snarky
The Taliban will come for the Jews and traitors like you
See, that is the difference between you and I. I don't try to sound smart, I just am. You on the other hand try to use all these second rate insults and threats as if they had any real meaning. They fail for even any sort of shock value.
From my perspective it is the equivalent of a kid who doesn't get his way or is embarrassed. You pout and shout "I don't love you anymore!" before stomping off to your room. As a parent we can ignore the first part, so I suppose it is time for you to storm off to your room now.
Cringe.
I have an image on my computer
There’s a guy who’s shouting at another guy. He is holding a book of 1984 by George Orwell. The guy shouting with the 1984 book has a small brain. The guy who is being shouted at has a book, which is Stinky Steve, a minecraft misshap, by William Roadchester. The man who is being shouted at with the stinky Steve book has a big brain
You prolly have a copy of 1984 but not a copy of stinky Steve. I have a copy of stinky Steve but not a copy of 1984 which proves that your cringe and I am right
No, it isn't a contest, child. I am an adult and have a career. I have a job to focus on. Also, in case you haven't noticed, I told you I'm sending you to your room which means all future posts will be removed until I either decide to let your posts exist again on my thread or I just block you outright.
🤷♀️ pretty simple stuff.
1. The virus can only mutate while being in someone's body and y'all are spreading a lot more and the vaccine can be less effective to those variants
2. 3/4 of the people in the hospitals in my country are unvaccinated. The more people in the hospital, the more restrictions we get as a society which also affects the vaccinated.
3. Vaccines don't work 100%. I could still get covid and even though I probably don't end up in the hospital, I still don't like to get sick and damage my heart/brain or lungs.
4. Some people can't get the vaccine because they're immunocompromised or too young. They rely on groupimmunity. You moght think "oh but that's not a lot of people" but that's everyone with an organ transplant, cancer treatment and people with an autoimmune disease. 5% of the people in the hospital are immunocompromised, which is a lot compared to the general population. Many of the immunocompromised are too scared to leave the house because they know they're vulnerable, so that percentage would be higher if we didn't account for that.
5. A lot of unvaccinated people spread misinformation to their friends/family etc and don't let their children get vaccinated which will directly have impact on group immunity.
6. Vaccines work less on elderly people so even though they get vaccinated, they can still get sick and sometimes a fever or a cold can already be fatal.
In short, you contribute to the continuation of the spread by not vaccinating and therefore not helping society. That's why we are concerned.
Also for many people, antibodies don't stay long after being infected. They stay much longer after a vaccine and it trains T-cell response more effectively. So you get better herd immunity compared to getiing everyone infected naturally (and a lot less suffering).
Also, the period being changed temporarily after the vaccine is a known side effect and it's because your uterus lining is part of your immune system that reacts to the vaccine. Just like the rest of the side effects, it's only temporary and your period being different often also happens with infection of any sort for the same reason. It has nothing to do with fertility.
You do know that both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can contract and spread it though right?
@Nachowedgie ofcourse. Like I said, it's not 100% effective, however vaccinated people are less likely to contract covid, spread it because of a lower viral load and symptoms. It's hard to prove that people who are vaccinated are less likely to spread, but the studies that have been done are all saying that you are less likely to spread and contract covid
I'd find that hard to believe considering the companies supplying these "vaccines" and our government and health board have all told us both vaccinated and unvaccinated people are as equally likely to contract and spread the virus as the other
@Nachowedgie
"New Data on COVID-19 Transmission by Vaccinated Individuals - COVID-19 - Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health" www.jhsph.edu/.../...y-vaccinated-individuals.html
Maybe you should keep up with the research. You can find it literally everywhere by the CDC whatsoever, however, they're not quite certain about the delta variant.
Just because researchers haven't proven something yet, doesn't mean it's not there. It just has to be researched. Just like with delta, there's a good chance you also contract it less (since research has already pointed out that Pfizer protects for 88% against delta) and spread it not or less than non-vaccinated people.
Well we've been told this the entire time over here so
The weak-minded mentality is to follow an authority that they blindly believe e. g. MSM, which spreads the fear, panic, and convinces these gullible ones that in order to fit in they must get the jab and that if you don’t you are theoretically spreading it or denying herd immunity. Well first off, if we did absolutely nothing at all, the herd immunity would have occurred last year and this would all be over by now. The true herd in this is the gullible that have fallen for the largest con and crime against humanity possibly ever. Most of us already have had Covid-19 (another bs term) and have the anti-bodies and are continuously subjected to ones that have it and continue on fine. Even though these people are in panic and are becoming irrational about shoving this jab on everyone, I am beginning to see an almost pathetic trend amongst them that they have nothing else to latch onto at this point but belong to the vaccinated group. They simple have been programmed that the un-vaccinated are evil, dirty, and ignorant and the smart high IQ ones get the jab; that is their logic. There absolutely is no basis for this irrational programmed behavior. They have swallowed the largest con in history; and it will someday be larger than the Nuremburg Trails. I highly recommend that all open their minds just for a short time and watch this link; it is the true evidence behind this pandemic. Schedule 1.3 hrs to watch. This is it all taken from US PTO tracking, the most credible thing I have seen. “A Manufactured Illusion. Dr David Martin with Dr. Reiner Fuwllmich” 7/9/21. It is still up (7/27), so grab it. https://www.bitchute.com/video/L3zryn6Hm86m/ This explains how big Pharma and MSM coordinated it all and is continuing. May require several views to capture it all. This is the most disheartening thing I have seen.
@MCheetah Thanks!
Sadly, its the majority. They will continue to make us the "bad" people and pressure ALL to take it. We will never find out their hiding agenda.
@midnightmoon05 Yes, unfortunately, it appears as a Russian Matryoshka Doll or onion-layers that lead down an infinite rabbit hole. The levels that we can humanly imagine may not be enough to piece together the enigma of a possible cosmic level conspiracy. It almost seems that a previous-reality anymore has a tear in it and is exposing a flap. We may never know the overall agenda, but apparently, it has evolved or existed over many generations suggesting it can only be driven by the supernatural.
In response to the links to BS websites in this reply and the updated original post. Please read about the content providers and the authors of this content before accepting their opinion as facts. Just a really small background check (find their 'about us' page, google the authors names) is enough to tell you these people are not what they claim to be and their theories are easy to debunk. Unfortunately they have crafted theories that are easier to understand and there for cater to most peoples attention span.
The facts are more complicated, they do require you to read more, and learn something. For those who have the mental capability to do this, I recommend you read facts, not opinions, written by trusted sources who substantiate their claims with evidence and credit original contributors.
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I totally understand why people are opposed to being told by a government "you have to do this!" especially when it is related to health. They have proven to me too often that they do not have the publics best interests at heart.
I also understand the nervousness at taking any new medication or vaccine, especially if there are known side affects. Any time a close family member is offered any to treat an illness I research the drug thorough - proper independent research papers before I way up the pros and cons and if we decide to take it - we keep it monitored constantly.
I don't listen to those in office and I don't listen to private pharmaceutical companies. I do listen to reputable medical professionals, as should everyone else before making an informed choice. Unfortunately their voices are hard to hear, as they are drowned out by the popularism constantly steaming into our brains via social media, published by people who you do not know and should trust even less.
If you listen to the advise of professionals, you would know that this op's question is invalid - vaccines only work when the majority of people take them - because otherwise the virus will continue to spread and mutate and become more deadly. At this point we have already seen it, the latest 'Delta variant' is more resilient to the vaccines and more deadly to younger people. I personally know two people, in there 40's to have died from this variant and they were very health with no illnesses.
We are in danger of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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It's ALL about power and subjugation. Especially since the vaccinated seem to be mostly left or extreme-left. Also, the vaccine (more likely than not) probably has a ton of extra hidden sh*t with it, like being registered on some database somewhere, where they can track you and know where you are at all times.
It's funny, cause they did the same thing with masks, even though masks only exist to keep you from putting COVID in your mouth or nose if you've got it on your hands. If they can get you to wear a mask, they can get you to do anything. Just like with the vaccine, the claim of it being "for safety" is bullsh*t. (I live in South Korea, where we've been doing masks before the US and longer than the US. We still have to wear them. It's not illegal to walk around without one, but 99.9% of people do it and you can't enter certain public places without one. Most people know masks would be pointless against an actual airborne virus, but the government controls people through mask peer pressure; they don't have to make going maskless illegal. The US is just more stubborn though, so more force is applied there, but it's the same concept.)
As @blank_expression already said, they get the weak-minded, stupid sheep of society to do it first, then have make them their Useful Idiots, to have them peer pressure and bully you into compliance.
You are one of the few open minds on this site no doubt as I do read many of your posts, should uptick them, more. The link I posted lays it all out in excruciating detail to include the "variant." I wouldn't have posted it if it didn't have credibility.
Anti-vaxxine individuals start acting like a pool of people where virus will keep jumping from one person to another and it will keep evolving..
Like beta variant or gamma variant!..
However vaccinated people are not a breeding ground for virus and we won't get more variant... And pandemic will end..
But if all are not vaccinated... New variants will keep coming.. And if given time of 3-4 Years COVID will final develop such variants that are immune to vaccine..
And vaccines won't work against those variant..
And the pandemic will enter a critical stage.. Where 90-95% of human population might get wiped out...
Not vaccinating yourself is like giving a virus time to evolve into something that is unstoppable..
Uh that's not true, both vaccinated and unvaccinated people are able to contract and spread the virus
@Nachowedgie..
Vaccinated people recover within a week of infection and don't need to be hospitalized.. And don't spread it.. Even if they are positive..
Non vaccinated people become a vector for 1 month of infection.. Needs medical attention spread it to others through cough..
And they are potential capable of spreading it for total of 3 months..
"Vaccinated people recover within a week of infection and don't need to be hospitalized.. And don't spread it.. Even if they are positive.. "
That's not true in the slightest dude...
"Non vaccinated people become a vector for 1 month of infection.. Needs medical attention spread it to others through cough..
And they are potential capable of spreading it for total of 3 months.."
Wow and you say we're the ones spreading misinformation when you clearly have no clue what you're talking about
Everyone recovers at different times because everyone is different
Getting the vaccine can reduce the severity of the vaccinated persons symptoms thus reducing the chance they may have to be hospitalised but they still can be as seen in every country on the planet.
Everyone can spread it if positive, the fact that you believe they don't is extremely dangerous.
Non vaccinated people are a vector for exactly the same time as a vaccinated person
Not everyone needs medical attention, I didn't.
Everyone who is currently infected with Covid can spread it through cough so that's nothing new.
No they're only capable of spreading it for as long as everyone else dude.
I dunno where you got all this false information from but it's extremely dangerous and is going to cost lives if people go around believing it
What is the point? The same as what is the point for literally everything that we hand over to authority to force us to "act right."
People will always support forcing others with guns and violence. They can kidnap you and lock you in a giant building full of other kidnapped and locked away people, for any reason that the majority sees fit.
People do not believe other people should be free to make their own choices. This is fundamental to nearly every person's beliefs on this planet.
Freedom is long dead.
I blame the state and country restrictions of scaring the people. The reason everyone is butting heads is because of the laws in each state and different countries by the health officials.
I’m in a state where masks mandates expired in may. So everyone has has free will and options if they want to take the vaccine or not. But my long distance friends in different countries have harsh laws where vaccinations are necessary.
I don’t want to lose my friendship cause of the laws they are going through with my belief and political views. With what is going on in my country/state.
It's far from being that simple? In order to get this Corona virus past us we need to develop here immunity which requires about 77% of people getting vaccinated. The problem with this epidemic as a political issue is that most of the" no govt is going to tell me what to do " mind set in this case is all the preventative measures that are being - in some cases- risking the health of other people. It's no different than 2nd hand smoke. Anyone who is not getting vaccinated because they don't want gumint making rules is endangering others with compromised immune systems since a mas doesn't really help keep the wearer healthy, it prevents COVID from getting passed to others. Americans have very little experience with compassion. When the market and all the overpriced assets collapse in price within the next couple of years we may eventually have the suffering required to develop compassion.
Exactly.
And half the population (including myself) already had the virus and recovered, and have natural immunity on par or better than any of the so-called experimental vaccines, which technically they are not.
Even for the delta variant, antibodies are present for at least a year against it that is equal to one vax shot. Two provides better immunity, and in conjunction with previous infection also provides superior protection.
The question is, will the clotting properties of the vax kill you before any reinfection of covid does. And while the delta may be more infectious, it's less deadly, much less than the original covid virus.
Frankly, I'll take my chances. My body, my choice.
Well, ya see, dumbocrats aren’t happy unless they are micromanaging everyone else’s life, right down to what they can eat for breakfast, they aren’t happy until everyone has exactly the same opinions, likes and dislikes as them. It’s weak minded group think, they aren’t intelligent enough to stand on their own, nor brave enough to have their own opinions. They are like 3 year olds in the toy aisle at Woolworths, screaming and stomping their feet until they get their way. In short they are useless pieces of shit, every last one of them.
The point is, there has to be a critical number of people being vaccinated in order to achieve herd immunity.
Every single one who refuses to get the shot or even worse spreads false information and persuades others to not take the shot, is putting everyone at risk.
Can you still get covid if you get the vaccine?
Yes, but the chances are lower and if you would catch it the damage isn't that high.
Then herd immunity won't come from a vaccine. Especially since the CDC said you're just as infectious as someone not vaccinated.
Lol the biggest spreader of the virus bar none and combine all is THE DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY OF AMERICA Joe biden President. He himself a;lone is the greatest spreader of misinformation and the spreading the virus by letting hundreds of thousands illegal into this country unvaccinated against anything mumps smallpox rubella ectera letalone covid19 . They get picked up by border patrol given desk appearance tickets flown to all 50 states and let off at street coners everywhere never to be seen again there is your new pandemic this is why Covid19 is making reboundind pluse the illegals are not only from Mexico but countries around the world without check through our southern border so start looking for increases in terror strikes too.
Because the vaccine doesn't stop us from catching it & you're still able to kill people who are not as lucky as others. That's why. Unless you've ALREADY caught covid & survived, & you believe those covid antibodies are enough to keep you safe, get the fucking vaccine.
You do realize the majority of new cases, hospitalizations & deaths due to covid are unvaccinated people, right?
They just want some company in the hospital… Democrats are always lonely, thus why they gravitate towards communism...
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Well, I think it’s because a lot of false news about the vaccine has spread. People began to believe that the vaccine is more dangerous than the virus itself. Truth is, the virus KILLS while the vaccines actually protect u. In fact, studies are showing that 99 percent of deaths and more than 95 percent of hospitalizations due to covid are unvaccinated people. People are upset about anti vaxxers since they’re putting EVERYONE at risk. What is worse is that no matter how hard you try to convince an anti-vaxxer, they just won’t listen to you.
The more anti-vaxxers are there, the risker it is for everyone. If a certain amount of people are unvaccinated, then the virus will continue to mutate. If the virus mutates, some of the strains will become resistant to those who are vaccinated, therefore extending the pandemic for everyone!
The pandemic has already done a lot of damage, and the only sure fire way to end it is for the population to get vaccinated!!
How are they putting everyone at risk if you're already vaccinated? And if the vaccinations won't protect people from "mutations" (which aren't a real thing, by the way; it's complete bullsh*t the media is stirring up), then they are useless to begin with, giving even more incentive for people not to get them. And what about herd immunity? Wouldn't that happen, regardless of people getting vaccinated or not?
I'm sorry this is bad news for you to hear, but "my body, my choice." Unless you're also Pro-Life, that is. I'm guessing you're not.
Results of the study: COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralizing antibodies may sensitize vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/
@Nik1hil- Thank you so much!!
Well, you don't really get herd immunity from vaccines unless almost everyone gets it.
The ironic part is the people most upset about anti-vaxxers are terrible at motivating people to get the vaccine.
Our institutions have said so much bullshit regarding the pandemic, so why should anyone trust them now? The masks and the vaccine were just a long virtue-signal for so many people.
Because they don't give a fuck about you or any one else who doesn't get the vaccine. Its a power trip, if it was about safety then they wouldn't care, but its not its about being RIGHT. They need to force every one to do as they do because if you don't and your fine then it means they where wrong and they can't handle that. These people are egotistical and power hungry to the extreme, thats all this is about and all its ever been about.
The two easiest groups of people to control are those who are angry, and those who are scared. Being angry makes you want to take action, and keeps you from thinking clearly. Being scared wants you want to hunker down, and keeps you from thinking at all.
Remember those three sentences, and 98% of politics will suddenly become comprehensible.
Because there's a chance of anti vaxxers mutating the virus by allowing it to spread and potentially create a more stronger virus, rendering the current vaccine useless (which seems to happening, so thanks!).
You have it ass backwards like every ignorant uneducated Democrat that has been brainwash into a noggin filled with soggy sloppy oatmeal... Selection pressure occurs in people that have already been vaccinated. A person that has artificially acquired immunity through vaccination exerts selection pressure on the virus for gene variants that adapt to the trained immune response and are able to evade them and reproduce. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective. They range from around 50% to 95%. The same vaccine trains the immune system in the same way. When a virus breaks through that defense with a modified spike protein it is able to evade that training. Sometimes it even becomes enhanced by the vaccine and people that are vaccinated are more likely to catch the next variant created in a vaccinated person or have more severe side effects that leave them hospitalized. A person that has neither been vaccinated nor been previously exposed to the virus, has mount no immune response to the virus yet, thus exerts no selection pressure on the virus. The vaccinated are the ones creating the variants. Each time you get a booster for a new variant you create more selection pressure on the virus. This is how supper bugs arise. The same phenomenon occurred with Staphylococcus aureus with an antibiotic arms race which lead to the rise of MRSA. Tale responsibility for your own actions, stop passing the buck like a cuck.
CDC just stated vaccinated people are equally likely to spread the delta variant, lol. Sucker.
@BeMuse okay, interesting. First of all, yes, vaccines aren't 100% effective agreed. But i dont understand your other reasoning. I already dont understand how the vaccine would exert selection pressure on the virus. The next thing, why aren't the unvaccinated ones contributing? A virus will mutate when it replicates itself. Unvaccinated or vaccinated, the chance is present.
You could argue that the vaccine is 'forcing the variants to arise' (which i assume is what you're trying to say) but it still doesn't make sense to me. If this were really the case the concept of a vaccine itself falls apart and vaccines wouldn't be good at preventing anything to begin with.
Only natural genetic drift will occur in individuals who has not been vaccinated or previously infected because transmission of the virus to other hosts only occurs before a robust humoral immune response. Thus normal evolutionary rates are preserved. More importantly most mutations will not affect the virus’s ability to spread or cause disease because they don’t alter the shape of the spike protein. Individuals who have been vaccinated previously have already trained a specific antibody-mediated responses to COVID variants through vaccination. Thus upon exposure to the virus a strong positive selection pressure is provided by the immune system that selects for only evasive mutations that can break through vaccinated individuals immune response. Now amplify that selection pressure by the 4 billion vaccine doses that have been administered around the world and think about how many human incubators you have out there looking for a solution to promote the next breakthrough variant.
If they are vaccinated they won't get Covid from those that don't so why should they care if someone else doesn't get it?
I also don't get why the Anti-Vaxxers harrass the ones that got Vaxed...
HUMANS always have to separate from one another , it's a shame, a general shame.
I see the opposite to be true more often than not.
I don't know, I've only seen one video of someone being assaulted when they were wearing a mask while the perpetrator wasn't, granted the video has no sound. I've seen tons of videos of people wearing masks following, harassing, and sometimes even assaulting those who weren't wearing a mask.
Emotions and beliefs.
Can be a dangerous mix. especially if it is fear from a immature mind since the mind makes them see what they want.
Think they are ratios no matter what.
Tends to have an urge to control others to line up in the line to please their fear/belief. even tends to do monstrosity. fear mongering, attack/force people.
Because the unvaccinated cause mutations that will resist the vaccine and kill the entire planet in short order
Dealing with idiots, it's like playing chess with a pigeon
It'll cause chaos, shit everywhere and claim it won all the same
Your people will be saying they win as everyone lungs dissolve into something resembling uncreamed tomato soup
Both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can contact and spread it though, so how does what you said make any sense?
It's basic virology, mutations will eventually kill everyone
That isn't exclusive to unvaccinated people though...
No but the vaccine prevents mutations much like castration will prevent pregnancies
"No but the vaccine prevents mutations"
Uh no it doesn't, dunno where you got that idea from
It's basis virology so read a book
Because when the virus can infect more people because they weren't vaccinated, the more opportunities it has to mutate or recombine into different variants (delta, lambda, etc...) that the vaccine is less effective against.
Now be a big boy/girl and get your shots:
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