Should prenuptial agreements be forced in order for couples to marry?

[SolitarySolace]

Yes

No

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1 mo

Do you think there would be more or less marriages if prenuptial agreements were forced to be filled out in order to get married?

[JacobJordan]

Prenups shouldn't be needed. The reason they are is because the government has incentivized women to not only get married but then to divorce. As soon as you remove all incentives to divorce divorces will stop. Until then guys either need to not marry or choose who you marry very very very carefully. I am married and my wife doesn't believe in divorce she believes that the wedding vows "do you promise to love and respect this (man or woman) to honor and cherish (him or her) in sickness and in health, for richer or poorer till death do you part?" Exist for a reason. That reason being that life is hard and you don't deserve good things when bail the second things get tough. If you want good things you going to have to fight and claw and struggle sometimes because that is the universe, or God or your soul or whatever you want to call it testing your resolve and how badly you want something. So for her rough patches are a test on how hard she loves and what she is willing to go through to stay married. Sure some can say "oh but she is still incentivized to divorce." Absolutely but she is never going to do she doesn't think divorce should even be allowed at all. I think it should only in moments of 100% irrefutable proof of abuse.

[SolitarySolace]

No fault divorce laws are a thing. Shouldn't be but it is. Her values on marriage can change like the drop of a hat.

[RavVid]

Fault based divorce is needed because with median length of marriage being 8 years because you'd be a mug to marry.

Prenups might work in some countries but you are gambling on no court finding the prenup is unconscionable in the next 50 years or so. They sort of are because the inherent bargain is no prenup no marriage and it is an unfair bargaining position.

If the prenups are standard then it is better to legislate marriage contracts so there is no aspect of bargaining.

[SolitarySolace]

How is that an unfair bargaining position?

[RavVid]

Because usually a prenup is offered on a take it or leave it basis. I will marry you if you sign the prenup and I won't marry you if you don't.

It would probably be a bad idea to say to your bride, the wedding is off if you don't sign and then go ahead with the wedding when she does reluctantly sign it. There is coercion in that.

The upside of what you're proposing is that, if it is compulsory to negotiate a prenup, than it would seem to tone down coercion aspects.

[IslaTheWitch]

Maybe not forced as people have their minds and are able to make conscious decisions. But some education should be obligatory.

[steveusna]

I dated a couple of women (at different times) who were wealthy from inheritances. I am talking wealth in the order of 10 to 30 Million dollars. Far beyond my own wealth even though I have enough to retire. Neither woman wanted to marry me. They both just wanted sex. Still, I made it clear early on that if they wanted to get serious, I would be happy to sign any prenup to protect their interests.

[NathanDavis]

we should not force our paranoia onto others, no...

[SolitarySolace]

Paranoia?

[NathanDavis]

par·a·noi·a
/ˌperəˈnoiə/
noun

1.
unjustified suspicion and mistrust of other people or their actions.

[SolitarySolace]

How is it unjustified mistrust? There are so many men out there who don't marry or are at the very least hesitant to get married because they know the risk of losing money, resources and more in a divorce outweighs any benefits.

[NathanDavis]

you said four women cheated on you... that's understandable...

but, to distrust all 4 billion women on earth... that's paranoia

[SolitarySolace]

Its ridiculous to assume I mean all 4 billion women. Narrow that down to my age range and generation and you've got a better understanding of why I believe what I do

[NathanDavis]

that's still million of women... and that's still paranoia

[SolitarySolace]

🤣just because you trust all women doesn't mean I have to. Doesn't mean I'm paranoid.

[NathanDavis]

I only trust the ones I know... don't worry like that for the other million

[SolitarySolace]

You should worry

[NathanDavis]

I'm not inadequate... I don't have to worry

[SolitarySolace]

That doesn't mean shit you'll regret your ignorance

[NathanDavis]

sure... lol

[Lara_Croft]

Nope, I won't sign à prenup anyway regardless of who's richer or whatever. I'm Christian it's till death do us part

[noohair]

I believe in SMALL government. The government is doing things that were never supposed to be regulated. That is why everything seems fucked up.

[Superreader]

Nothing should be forced onto others. I don’t think it’s a bad idea, considering divorce rates. But it shouldn’t be mandatory.

[SolitarySolace]

Why not? What's so bad about a mandatory prenuptial agreement?

[Superreader]

I will almost never support something that takes away individual freedoms.

[SolitarySolace]

How does a prenuptial agreement take away individual freedoms?

[Superreader]

Through your use of the word “mandatory”

[Superreader]

Or “forced

[SolitarySolace]

Not everything that is mandatory is bad

[Superreader]

That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it

[SolitarySolace]

So you have no reason to oppose a mandatory prenup other than the idea of it being mandatory?

[Superreader]

Pretty much

[SolitarySolace]

Lol, that’s ridiculous.

[strateguy632]

not forced. if not agree shouldn't marry.

[msc545]

No. Forcing people is illegal, and prenups are worthless and create false confidence.

[SolitarySolace]

How does it create false confidence?